• Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that o

    From Wally J@21:1/5 to micky on Sun Nov 19 00:10:15 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote

    In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:50:42 -0500, Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:05:09 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

    I believe all/most phones require the earphone cable for an antenna. >>>> I don't use an earphone !

    And I doubt that many carry wired earphones around. Even if you did,
    there are plenty of wireless Android earbuds around. Those would make FM >>> unusable. I've never tried testing to see if a loose piece of insulated
    wire just placed in the earphone socket would act as an antenna and
    allow FM radio to be heard over the phone's internal speaker. Perhaps
    the coupling would work, but perhaps not if it needs a physical connection. >>>
    I rarely use the sockets for anything, but one small advantage to not
    having them would be better water resistance. However, I doubt many
    people swim or surf with their smartphone on them, and a waterproof bag
    would be a more reliable choice (and a considerably cheaper one than an
    iPhone).

    It's for emergencies. You don't carry it around.
    You use it when needed. Like you use a flashlight.

    Exactly.

    I keep wired earbuds in my car and in my suitcase and in my home. The
    last two are sometimes the same ones!

    The only problem is when the battery goes dead on the wired earbuds.
    Wait! That doesn't happen, like it does to wireless.

    In a real emergency, you will be frantic to be using that wired headphone.

    Not having the radio is like not having a flashlight when you need it.

    This is what's so very strange about the Apple iKooks who think not having something is better than having it - especially since they have to pay
    twice as much for their iPhones which don't have it - and then - they ghave
    to pay yet again for devices with batteries - and then they have to keep
    those devices with batteries charged up in an emergency situation.

    Meanwhile, those of us who are not duped by Apple into thinking that not
    having FM radio is better than having it, only need to know where we put
    the flashlights and wired earphones in an emergency situation.

    If you see my other posts, you'll see that in California along a fault line
    in a high fire danger area where the power goes out a few times a month, we know a thing or two about being self sufficient.

    An iPhone is so crippled that it can't work without buying more stuff. Specifically, not having an FM radio is always worse than having one.

    Yet Apple has convinced the iKooks that not having any basic functional hardware is better than having basic functional hardware - which shows you
    how incredibly gullible the typical Apple consumer is (and how brilliant
    Apple Marketing is - they're even better than Big Tobacco).
    --
    You've come a long way baby... to get where you got to today...
    (should be an Apple slogan instead of for Virginia Slims cigarettes).

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Nov 19 16:44:45 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-19, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    In a real emergency, you will be frantic to be using that wired headphone. >>
    Not having the radio is like not having a flashlight when you need it.

    This is what's so very strange about the Apple iKooks

    "People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to the
    extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have FM
    radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!" 🤡

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Nov 19 11:58:18 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-19 11:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-19, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    In a real emergency, you will be frantic to be using that wired headphone. >>>
    Not having the radio is like not having a flashlight when you need it.

    This is what's so very strange about the Apple iKooks

    "People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to the extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have FM
    radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!" 🤡

    You would think they'd go 🍌🍌🍌 over their Android phones not having an AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the
    transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover
    several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the
    built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the
    built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the SHTF!?!?

    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Nov 19 14:55:56 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    "People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to the extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have FM
    radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!"

    Hi Jolly Roger,

    I study you very strange people, Jolly Roger so I understand how you feel.

    Lots of people are like you and Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, who are always
    making buying decisions wholly influenced by MARKETING to believe a product that does not have basic functionality is better than one that does.

    You actually believe that not having something is better than having it.
    Why?
    Because Marketing told you it was "courageous" to not have it.

    Now you _feel_ courageous, Jolly Roger. Don't you.
    *You feel so very _courageous_ not having what everyone else has*, JR.

    Am I right or am I right!
    --
    What makes you an iKook, Jolly Roger, is not only that you believe every
    word that Apple MARKETING fed you to believe - but - you defend it too.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Nov 19 12:16:00 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-19 11:55, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    "People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to the
    extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have FM
    radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!"

    Hi Jolly Roger,

    I study you very strange people, Jolly Roger so I understand how you feel.

    You missed a comma in that sentence, Arlen.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Nov 19 17:01:14 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go over their Android phones not having an
    AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the
    built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the
    built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the SHTF!?!?

    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to convince an intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims it is, for them to
    remove basic functional hardware - whose loss is what cripples the iPhone.

    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their
    safe rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding inside kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have given anything
    for an FM radio in addition to that almost worthless iPhone without it.
    --
    If all they had was an iPhone with those silly earbuds, they'd be dead.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Sun Nov 19 14:38:30 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-19 14:01, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go 頎柬綄頎柬綄頎柬綄 over their Android phones not having an
    AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the
    transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover
    several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the
    built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the
    built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the SHTF!?!?

    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to convince an intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims it is, for them to remove basic functional hardware - whose loss is what cripples the iPhone.

    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their
    safe rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding inside kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have given anything
    for an FM radio in addition to that almost worthless iPhone without it.

    Riiiiiiiight.

    FM radio one-way communication is so much better than the two-way
    communication offered by every smartphone...

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  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Nov 19 19:31:15 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-19 17:38, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-19 14:01, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go 頎柬綄頎柬綄頎柬綄 over their Android >>> phones not having an
    AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the
    transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover
    several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the
    built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my!    Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the
    built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth!  How will they survive when the SHTF!?!? >>>
    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to
    convince an
    intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims it is, for them to
    remove basic functional hardware - whose loss is what cripples the
    iPhone.

    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their
    safe rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding inside
    kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have given anything
    for an FM radio in addition to that almost worthless iPhone without it.

    Riiiiiiiight.

    FM radio one-way communication is so much better than the two-way communication offered by every smartphone...

    It's amusing how far sideways it goes to die on the hill of its
    ridiculous position.


    --
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    - John Maynard Keynes.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Wally J on Mon Nov 20 01:57:03 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    "People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to the
    extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have FM
    radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!"

    Hi Jolly Roger,

    I study you very strange people, Jolly Roger so I understand how you feel.

    Lots of people are like you and Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, who are always making buying decisions wholly influenced by MARKETING to believe a product that does not have basic functionality is better than one that does.

    You actually believe that not having something is better than having it.
    Why?
    Because Marketing told you it was "courageous" to not have it.

    Now you _feel_ courageous, Jolly Roger. Don't you.
    *You feel so very _courageous_ not having what everyone else has*, JR.

    Am I right or am I right!

    I have access to FM radio in my car, my home entertainment center, a
    neglected boombox and maybe a few devices I long forgot about. I still
    don’t listen to FM or AM for that matter. Last I cared AM was infested by political kooks. FM got taken over by love sponges. So functional.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Nov 20 01:51:24 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-19, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    In a real emergency, you will be frantic to be using that wired headphone. >>>
    Not having the radio is like not having a flashlight when you need it.

    This is what's so very strange about the Apple iKooks

    "People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to the extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have FM
    radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!" 🤡

    I could give a shit less about the aux jack but FM radio doesn’t sound like
    a horrible idea. I’ve listened to FM radio zero seconds per year for
    forever, but ifartradio might stop working if the zombies arise.

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Sun Nov 19 22:12:57 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote

    I have access to FM radio in my car, my home entertainment center, a neglected boombox and maybe a few devices I long forgot about. I still
    don't listen to FM or AM for that matter. Last I cared AM was infested by political kooks. FM got taken over by love sponges. So functional.

    Hi Hemidactylus,

    When you need FM and you don't have it, that's when you're going to care.

    Besides, the adult point I was making to Jolly Roger, because I understand
    him, is that he *feels courageous* owning a phone missing basic features.

    Owning nothing makes Jolly Roger feel "special" to be able to say...

    *I bought an iPhone that was missing the most basic functionality*
    *And I feel _courageous_ about doing that*

    The question is _why_ does Jolly Roger feel so "courageous" about that.
    Do you know why?

    I do.

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  • From *Hemidactylus*@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Nov 20 02:04:10 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-19 14:01, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go 頎柬綄頎柬綄頎柬綄 over their Android phones not having an
    AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the
    transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover
    several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the
    built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the
    built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the SHTF!?!? >>>
    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to convince an >> intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims it is, for them to
    remove basic functional hardware - whose loss is what cripples the iPhone. >>
    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their
    safe rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding inside
    kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have given anything
    for an FM radio in addition to that almost worthless iPhone without it.

    Riiiiiiiight.

    FM radio one-way communication is so much better than the two-way communication offered by every smartphone...

    Emergency management on Shitter worked ok before sociopathic manbaby took
    over with his flamethrower. Without an account trying to keep up to date
    with Shitter is a joke. Is it any better with an account? Nationalize that
    shit as a public resource.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Mon Nov 20 03:06:34 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-19 14:01, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go 頎柬綄頎柬綄頎柬綄 over their Android >>>> phones not having an AM radio built in - that's much more useful in
    an emergency as the transmission range is typically higher -
    notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that
    cover several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged
    with the built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than
    the built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the
    SHTF!?!?

    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to
    convince an intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims it
    is, for them to remove basic functional hardware - whose loss is
    what cripples the iPhone.

    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their safe
    rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding inside
    kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have given
    anything for an FM radio in addition to that almost worthless iPhone
    without it.

    Riiiiiiiight.

    FM radio one-way communication is so much better than the two-way
    communication offered by every smartphone...

    Emergency management on Shitter worked ok before sociopathic manbaby
    took over with his flamethrower. Without an account trying to keep up
    to date with Shitter is a joke. Is it any better with an account?
    Nationalize that shit as a public resource.

    I much prefer watching it go down in flames. Plus winter is here, and
    flames keep us warm. 🙂

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to ecphoric@allspamis.invalid on Mon Nov 20 03:12:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone

    On 2023-11-20, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

    "People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to
    the extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have
    FM radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!" 🤡

    I could give a shit less about the aux jack but FM radio doesn’t sound
    like a horrible idea. I’ve listened to FM radio zero seconds per year
    for forever, but ifartradio might stop working if the zombies arise.

    There are dedicated radios that are much more functional and have way
    better range. They also cost way less, and can be used without
    electricity. I see no need for this feature in a smartphone that has
    limited battery runtime and range. But if you do, go ahead and buy one
    that has it. You do you.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Mon Nov 20 03:03:31 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-19, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-19 11:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-19, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    In a real emergency, you will be frantic to be using that wired headphone. >>>>
    Not having the radio is like not having a flashlight when you need it.

    This is what's so very strange about the Apple iKooks

    "People who aren't scared shitless of society breaking down 24/7 to the
    extent that theypitch a shit fit if their smartphones don't have FM
    radio capability are iKooks, y'all. #IAmVerySmart!" 🤡

    You would think they'd go 🍌🍌🍌 over their Android phones not having an
    AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    "No, that's different." 🤡

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the
    built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the
    built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the SHTF!?!?

    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

    Not surprisingly so.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 20 04:30:43 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    *Hemidactylus* wrote on Mon, 20 Nov 2023 01:51:24 +0000 :

    I could give a shit less about the aux jack but FM radio doesn't sound like
    a horrible idea. I've listened to FM radio zero seconds per year for
    forever, but ifartradio might stop working if the zombies arise.

    It would be nice to be able to double and triple the memory on an iPhone
    just by inserting a card, just as it would be nice to be able to listen to music without having to worry about a tiny battery going dead, just as it
    would be nice to be able to tune in to a radio when there isn't Internet.

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 03:45:00 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-19 14:01, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go 頎柬綄頎柬綄頎柬綄 over their Android phones not having an
    AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the
    transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover >>>> several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the >>>> built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the
    built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the SHTF!?!? >>>>
    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to convince an >>> intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims it is, for them to >>> remove basic functional hardware - whose loss is what cripples the iPhone. >>>
    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their
    safe rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding inside >>> kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have given anything >>> for an FM radio in addition to that almost worthless iPhone without it.

    Riiiiiiiight.

    FM radio one-way communication is so much better than the two-way
    communication offered by every smartphone...

    Emergency management on Shitter worked ok before sociopathic manbaby took over with his flamethrower. Without an account trying to keep up to date
    with Shitter is a joke. Is it any better with an account? Nationalize that shit as a public resource.


    Sounds good to me! Since the First Amendment would then apply, Andrew Anglin and Nick Fuentes will promptly have their accounts unbanned.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Mon Nov 20 23:52:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-20 19:45, Anonymous wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-19 14:01, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go 頎柬綄頎柬綄頎柬綄 over their Android phones not having an
    AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the
    transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover >>>>> several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the >>>>> built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the >>>>> built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when the SHTF!?!? >>>>>
    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally).

    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to convince an
    intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims it is, for them to >>>> remove basic functional hardware - whose loss is what cripples the iPhone. >>>>
    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their
    safe rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding inside >>>> kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have given anything >>>> for an FM radio in addition to that almost worthless iPhone without it. >>>
    Riiiiiiiight.

    FM radio one-way communication is so much better than the two-way
    communication offered by every smartphone...

    Emergency management on Shitter worked ok before sociopathic manbaby took
    over with his flamethrower. Without an account trying to keep up to date
    with Shitter is a joke. Is it any better with an account? Nationalize that >> shit as a public resource.


    Sounds good to me! Since the First Amendment would then apply, Andrew Anglin and Nick Fuentes will promptly have their accounts unbanned.

    You get that private businesses are not bound by the first amendment, right?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Dave Royal on Tue Nov 21 12:30:27 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote

    Wally, could you do those of us using newsreaders on small devices a
    favour and make all your subject lines shorter, so they're comprehensible when truncated?

    No problem. How many max characters do you prefer?

    BTW, I'm an old man, where I'm on something like a dozen forums, where
    almost always the problem is people write titles which are too short, e.g.,
    Help!
    My phone is broken
    Why doesn't anything work?
    etc.

    'As of November 2023' is superfluous.
    'Android models' > Androids
    'Portable memory slot' - SD card?

    I don't do anything by accident... everything has a reason (even my pencils
    are standing UP in the cup while the pens and markers are placed downward).

    There are explicit reasons for each of those, which I'll bother to explain since I can't blame you for not understanding the dynamics of these groups.

    The title is long for multiple reasons:
    a. Just as scientific paper titles are long, it's there for a good reason
    b. And peculiar to Usenet, it's there to prevent derailing of the topic

    Bear in mind, I am well aware people (especially the child-like iOS users)
    will purposefully deflect any thread topic that covers facts they hate.
    If you don't believe me - look at any post from nospam. These deflectors do this inside the thread bodies but if the title explicitly contains key
    elements of the facts that are being proposed for discussion, it's harder
    for them to derail a thread by their brazen denials & whataboutism tactics.

    1. 'As of November 2023' is there because the iKooks mostly, but there are
    other naysayers, will claim that the data is old - and when we run a
    search, it will be later so the numbers will change over time. So it
    nails down the date (if you don't believe me, go to the Apple newsgroups
    and watch how they squirm and deny all facts based on the date that the
    DxoMark smartphone camera surveys were done). The date was explicitly
    placed there to prevent the deniers from claiming cherry picking dates.

    2. 'Android models' is there because the deniers will claim (like Steve
    much later in this thread already did) that the statistics are
    different for the Android phones sold versus the models offered.
    While I agree with that assessment of fact, I have no data for the
    number of Android phones sold - I only have the models offered.
    You may note that people already denied this by claiming that I
    used a time period of "forever" (which is wrong - they didn't even
    read the thread) so I probably should have _added_ information,
    such as the fact that it's from 2019 to 2023 and future models.

    3. 'Portable memory slot' is there because the people who hate portable
    memory always claim it's only for _expansion memory_ (which is
    completely different than portable memory. It's not obvious to
    almost everyone that there is a _huge difference_ between expansion
    memory (which is rarely needed nowadays) and portable memory
    (which has huge advantages that phones sans slots just can't do).

    Note each and every one of things you thought were "superfluous" are there simply because I'm extremely experienced in Usenet arguments where people
    who want to deny facts always attack those facts like kindergarten children attack each other.

    In summary, I put the date there, and the fact that it's not units sold,
    but models sold, and the fact that the sd card is unique when it's used for portable memory to stave off the inevitable childish deniers.

    We _still_ had iKooks brazenly deny all the facts - but no matter how they
    try to derail the thread topic, the title remains the point of discussion.
    --
    In Usenet, you can't please everyone but you can at least understand their concerns and address them at the same time fulfilling the strategic goals.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Nov 21 17:05:53 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-21, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-20 19:45, Anonymous wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-19 14:01, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go 頎柬綄頎柬綄頎柬綄 over their Android >>>>>> phones not having an AM radio built in - that's much more useful
    in an emergency as the transmission range is typically higher -
    notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that
    cover several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be
    charged with the built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my! Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than
    the built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth! How will they survive when
    the SHTF!?!?

    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than
    Wally).

    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to
    convince an intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims
    it is, for them to remove basic functional hardware - whose loss
    is what cripples the iPhone.

    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their
    safe rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding
    inside kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have
    given anything for an FM radio in addition to that almost
    worthless iPhone without it.

    Riiiiiiiight.

    FM radio one-way communication is so much better than the two-way
    communication offered by every smartphone...

    Emergency management on Shitter worked ok before sociopathic manbaby
    took over with his flamethrower. Without an account trying to keep
    up to date with Shitter is a joke. Is it any better with an account?
    Nationalize that shit as a public resource.

    Sounds good to me! Since the First Amendment would then apply, Andrew
    Anglin and Nick Fuentes will promptly have their accounts unbanned.

    You get that private businesses are not bound by the first amendment,
    right?

    These dip shit unAmerican smooth brains don't care about pesky things
    like the Constitution enough to understand it. Like everything else,
    they are only interested in using it as a weapon against "ThoSe FiLtHy
    LeFTiSt ScUm!1!".

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Chris on Tue Nov 21 15:32:54 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote

    However, to explain... I was taught to document using long titles.
    My Subject is long for the same reason scientific paper titles are long.

    Paper titles aren't long, they average 12.3 words. https://blog.oup.com/2018/09/efficient-titles-research-articles/

    Hi Chris,
    That's interesting. Thanks for digging that up.

    I am always logical and sensible because I base everything on facts
    so, unlike the uneducated iKooks, I agree with anyone who makes sense.

    I've also published scientific papers (I was only a contributing scientist though - as it was during my graduate school research in my first field)
    so I was taught by professors how to author peer-reviewed papers.

    In keeping with always making sense...
    1. I instantly agreed with Andy & Dave (& asked them for a line length)
    2. I explained the reason for explicit titles was two-fold...
    a. It's intended to be found with a typical keyword search, and,
    b. It's intended to stave off the crazies (you know who they are).

    Titles need to be succinct and meaningful.
    This thread's OP certainly isn't.

    Again, thanks for that critique of the thread title.

    Bear in mind this is a Usenet thread, so while I always employ what I was taught in graduate school (mostly for my first graduate degree), I didn't
    spend years writing the thread title up so it's off the cuff (ad hoc).

    Mainly the title is the way it is for two fundamental reasons given the peculiar nature of a Usenet thread and the foibles of the search engine.
    A. A "control F" in a keyword search easily jumps from title to title, &
    B. To forestall the child-like cherry pickers (like Steve & nospam).

    So they can be found in a title search on an automated web archive, e.g.,
    <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>

    Google searches much more than titles.

    Thank you for letting me know that, where there are two Google engines:
    1. Google search (i.e., google.com)
    2. Google Usenet search (i.e., groups.google.com)

    They're completely different.

    Remember, I _created_ these URLs (e.g., the tinyurl) and I worked with the Google team long ago to _simplify_ the old-style URLs to the new style.

    OLD:
    <http://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
    <http://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
    NEW:
    <http://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>

    Trust me - it's not easy to get in touch with a specific person in
    Mountainview (if you haven't tried it - ask Andy Burns what it's like).

    I spent many hours trying to help people like you and Andy and Dave _find_ articles that are posted on Usenet given that the "normal" google search doesn't do a good job at all in finding articles based on keywords.

    But once you find articles, the Google Usenet search engine doesn't have a TITLE option so what you do is "control+F" and "F3" to skip to the next.

    For _that_, you need the keyword in the title, Chris.

    Remember, nothing I do is by accident.
    Everything is well thought out and logical and sensible and defensible.

    But you can't please everyone.
    No matter how hard you may try.

    BTW, the narkive also needs the Control+F and F3 title keyword search:
    <http://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>

    It's not worth doing all the immense efforts I do in any given thread to
    document things (URLs, facts, APKs, screenshots, etc.) unless leveraged.

    However, I can make titles shorter if that's what people want.
    How many characters do you prefer?

    10-12 words is the recommendation for papers. No reason why your posts
    should be any longer than that.

    I'm OK with that suggestion as I'm eminently reasonable in all ways.
    Everything I do is by design where you are the customer in many ways.

    Thank you for adding value to the discussion where I'm always happy to
    oblige any reasonable request as my goal is to be purposefully helpful.
    --
    On Usenet, you need to be reasonable and rational as many people aren't.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Dave Royal on Tue Nov 21 15:41:19 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote

    I don't know what other people want. I think the subject should be as long
    as it needs to be, but no longer. Take a critical look at it: is it
    concise, can you delete words without losing anything important, or use well-known (for the NG) abbreviations?

    Be aware that mobile newsreaders may truncate the subject in the middle -
    see screenshot of PiaoHong on a this 10" tablet. Mine does the same.

    <https://www.cjoint.com/data/MKvqGGSDy5v_Screenshot-20231121-163021-NewsReader.jpg>
    And I have a tablet; I don't know what it looks like on a phone. So don't waste the first few words. It's like writing a good newspaper headline.

    Just my view. If I don't know what it's about I don't bother to tap on it.

    Hi Dave,

    Thanks for that helpful information.

    I'll always agree with a sensible point of view where you backed up your
    point of view which I can't at all disagree with in any way (and thank you
    for the examples as I read my news using telnet scripts on a huge monitor).

    Mainly I have long titles for search reasons and to discourage the crazies
    from overly deflecting the thread intent (e.g., look at nospam's content).

    The crazies like nospam, Jolly Roger, Alan Browne, Alan Baker, Lewis, Snit,
    et al., all _hate_ that their expensive toy iPhones are crippled garbage.

    They hate that their iPhones are garbage so much that they literally deny
    all facts about the iPhone - which is the strangest thing to behold.

    In order to make up for the fact that the iPhone is crippled garbage, they
    even brazenly fabricate imaginary functionality - time and time again.

    Why do they do that?
    I study them. I think I know why.

    Literally, they _hate_ the fact it's so easy to show the iPhone is crap.

    They made a herd decision based on Apple marketing alone (which, I admit,
    is brilliant marketing - even better than Big Tobacco was with Virginia
    Slims) - and - all they want is affirmation of their herd decision.

    That means they don't want to hear facts.
    They only want to hear about YELLOW iPhones. (Wow. Way cool. How fancy!).

    Whenever you see an Apple advertisement, each one shows that Apple thinks
    their customer is incredibly stupid (NEW GLASS!!!! NEW TITANIUM!!!!).

    Who falls for that crap?
    Only people who believe it, right?

    The purpose of this thread was simply to provide _facts_ to those crazies.
    And of course I know they don't want to hear any of these facts.

    They hate facts.
    They want all facts to go away (hell, they want _me_ to go away!). :)

    So that's why the title had to have the main argument that they could not deflect from because the assessment in the title is based on the facts.

    Not on fancy Apple marketing (which is all the iKooks want to hear about).
    (Did you hear Apple made a new RED!!!!!!!! iPhone. Way cool huh!!!!!!)

    Bear in mind I didn't spend an hour on the title like I might with a
    scientific paper's title - but in the words of Clemens (was it he?),
    "If you want it shorter - that will take much longer to do."

    In other words, I'll spend a bit more time honing the subject when it's one
    of those threads (like this one is) which people _hate_ because they own an imaginary belief system that things these hardware features are long gone.

    These crazies fight tooth-and-nail to make all facts they hate go away.

    Yet, the fact is, most Android models recently sold have these basic
    features, and any phone without them, is crippled in terms of what it does.

    There's _nothing_ a phone without them can do that a phone with them can't.
    --
    On Usenet, I'm a rarity in that I am always logical & sensible, & as such,
    I will agree with anyone who makes sensible comments, no matter their nym.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 22 02:44:00 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-20 19:45, Anonymous wrote:
    *Hemidactylus* wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-19 14:01, Wally J wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

    You would think they'd go 頎柬綄頎柬綄頎柬綄 over their Android phones not
    having an
    AM radio built in - that's much more useful in an emergency as the >>>>>> transmission range is typically higher - notably at night.

    Of course real preppers have real emergency radio receivers that cover >>>>>> several bands, have long lasting batteries and can be charged with the >>>>>> built in crank.

    Many preppers have transmitters too.

    Oh my!    Did you see what I wrote there?

    The Android phones can't transmit on radio frequencies other than the >>>>>> built in cell co/WiFi/Blutooth!  How will they survive when the SHTF!?!?

    (It occurs to me that flat earthers are more cohernent than Wally). >>>>>
    On the basis of logic alone, no amount of MARKETING is going to convince an
    intelligent person how "courageous" only Apple claims it is, for them to >>>>> remove basic functional hardware - whose loss is what cripples the iPhone.

    How many _thousands_ of Israeli civilians who were inside their
    safe rooms and hiding under beds in bedrooms and even some hiding inside >>>>> kitchen cabinets for half a day were there who would have given anything >>>>> for an FM radio in addition to that almost worthless iPhone without it. >>>>
    Riiiiiiiight.

    FM radio one-way communication is so much better than the two-way
    communication offered by every smartphone...

    Emergency management on Shitter worked ok before sociopathic manbaby took >>> over with his flamethrower. Without an account trying to keep up to date >>> with Shitter is a joke. Is it any better with an account? Nationalize that >>> shit as a public resource.


    Sounds good to me! Since the First Amendment would then apply, Andrew Anglin >> and Nick Fuentes will promptly have their accounts unbanned.

    You get that private businesses are not bound by the first amendment, right?

    After nationalization it wouldn't be a private business, now would it?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Wally J on Wed Nov 22 20:13:51 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
    incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
    Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy an
    Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high
    fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
    from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wally J@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Nov 22 23:41:20 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of comprehension.

    It seems "John" made a sensible case, where, yet again, for the umpteenth
    time, the crippled iPhone lacks basic high standards Android always had.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to John on Wed Nov 22 21:58:44 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-22 21:43, John wrote:
    On 11/22/2023 9:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
    factually incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
    knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
    comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
    15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
    an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
    high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
    Apple from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!

    He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
    emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
    are mental weaklings.

    192/24 bit is not possible even with wired headphones.  Therefore my statement was completely accurate.

    Nope.

    Still wrong!

    'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
    external digital-to-analog converter'

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Nov 23 05:16:15 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
    factually incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
    knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
    comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
    15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
    an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
    high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
    Apple from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!

    He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
    emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
    are mental weaklings.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 22 21:42:13 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/22/2023 8:13 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
    incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless
    setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
    comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
    Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
    from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!


    A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
    nobody uses wired headphones anymore. Even using wired headphones
    192/24 bit is not possible. Only 48k.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Wed Nov 22 21:43:19 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/22/2023 9:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
    factually incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
    knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
    comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
    15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
    an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
    high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
    Apple from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!

    He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
    emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
    are mental weaklings.

    192/24 bit is not possible even with wired headphones. Therefore my
    statement was completely accurate.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to John on Wed Nov 22 21:59:08 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-22 21:42, John wrote:
    On 11/22/2023 8:13 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
    incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless
    setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
    comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
    15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
    an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
    high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
    Apple from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!


    A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
    nobody uses wired headphones anymore.   Even using wired headphones
    192/24 bit is not possible.  Only 48k.

    You said the PHONE couldn't do it.

    It can.

    You were wrong.

    Deal with it.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 22 22:40:17 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/22/2023 9:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 21:42, John wrote:
    On 11/22/2023 8:13 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually >>>>> incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew? >>>>
    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless
    setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
    comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
    15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
    an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
    high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
    Apple from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!


    A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
    nobody uses wired headphones anymore.   Even using wired headphones
    192/24 bit is not possible.  Only 48k.

    You said the PHONE couldn't do it.

    It can.

    You were wrong.

    Deal with it.


    The iPhone cannot do 192/24 bit without adding additional external
    equipment - which Android does not require. Face it you're full of shit.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed Nov 22 22:38:21 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/22/2023 9:58 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 21:43, John wrote:
    On 11/22/2023 9:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us >>>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
    factually incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
    knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of >>>>> comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
    15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy >>>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
    high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with >>>> Apple from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!

    He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
    emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
    are mental weaklings.

    192/24 bit is not possible even with wired headphones.  Therefore my
    statement was completely accurate.

    Nope.

    Still wrong!

    'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
    external digital-to-analog converter'


    Android requires NO ADDITIONAL equipment to support 192/24 bit straight
    out of the box. You just have provided further demonstration of the
    inadequacy of the Apple implantation.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to John on Wed Nov 22 22:59:44 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-22 22:38, John wrote:
    On 11/22/2023 9:58 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 21:43, John wrote:
    On 11/22/2023 9:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
    On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us >>>>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
    factually incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
    knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of >>>>>> comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs. >>>>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone >>>>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy >>>>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music >>>>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with >>>>> Apple from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!

    He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
    emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they >>>> are mental weaklings.

    192/24 bit is not possible even with wired headphones.  Therefore my
    statement was completely accurate.

    Nope.

    Still wrong!

    'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
    external digital-to-analog converter'


    Android requires NO ADDITIONAL equipment to support 192/24 bit straight
    out of the box.  You just have provided further demonstration of the inadequacy of the Apple implantation.

    Stop making excuses for being wrong in the first post.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to John on Wed Nov 22 23:00:17 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-22 22:40, John wrote:
    On 11/22/2023 9:59 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 21:42, John wrote:
    On 11/22/2023 8:13 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us >>>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually >>>>>> incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
    knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless
    setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
    comprehension.

    Here is his entire first post on the subject:

    'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
    Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
    15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to
    buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best
    music high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate
    gripe with Apple from an Apple fan. '

    Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

    That would be great!


    A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
    nobody uses wired headphones anymore.   Even using wired headphones
    192/24 bit is not possible.  Only 48k.

    You said the PHONE couldn't do it.

    It can.

    You were wrong.

    Deal with it.


    The iPhone cannot do 192/24 bit without adding additional external
    equipment - which Android does not require.  Face it you're full of shit.

    You were full of shit in the first post.

    Just admit it.

    You didn't know ANY of the actual facts.

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Wally J on Thu Nov 23 09:58:12 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 11/22/23 7:41 PM, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
    incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of comprehension.

    It seems "John" made a sensible case, where, yet again, for the umpteenth time, the crippled iPhone lacks basic high standards Android always had.


    What is really hilarious is that Android works better with Apples own
    music service for lossless audio than what Apple products do. That
    should be an embarrassment to Apple and means Apple needs to get its act together.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to John on Thu Nov 23 10:21:47 2023
    XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2023-11-23 09:58, John wrote:
    On 11/22/23 7:41 PM, Wally J wrote:
    Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

    the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
    headphonesi

    Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
    didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
    incorrect post.

    Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?

    It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
    wireless
    setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
    comprehension.

    It seems "John" made a sensible case, where, yet again, for the umpteenth
    time, the crippled iPhone lacks basic high standards Android always had.


    What is really hilarious is that Android works better with Apples own
    music service for lossless audio than what Apple products do.  That
    should be an embarrassment to Apple and means Apple needs to get its act together.

    What is really really hilarious is that you said this:

    "Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
    Pro and other models do not support it."

    But what is really really really hilarious is that you just can't admit
    that that claim was wrong.

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