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On 2/14/2023 6:45 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:

badgolferman wrote:

Apple on Monday released a new version of the iPhone and iPad's
operating systems to fix a vulnerability that hackers were exploiting
in the wild, meaning they were taking advantage of it to hack Apple
devices.

Hi badgolferman,

I very much appreciate that you bring this news to the fore on this ng.
Very few people on this newsgroup own any intelligence or knowledge.

Even fewer read the news.

Hence, they're always ignorant of these facts... save for you and Ant.
Having said that, I need to know if you _understand_ why this bug happened.

I know why.
Because I read the news (iKooks don't).
And because I'm not stupid (iKooks are).

You and Ant are the only ones on this newsgroup who aren't stupid.
And you and nospam are likely the only ones who read the news (as do I).

So I have a question for you (and for Ant, but I don't expect an answer
from Ant) because I am trying to gauge if this newsgroup is a lost cause.

The iKooks will never learn (they've been called stupid their whole lives,
so me calling them stupid doesn't change a single thing in their psyche).

But you're not stupid.
Neither is Ant.

I could put nospam in there but even as he's the "smartest" of the low-IQ iKooks, nospam still owns a substandard IQ (which I assess to be around 80 based on his inability to respond to facts other than as a child would).

Your IQ, and mine, I assess as at least normal...
*So that's why my question to you is so important, badgolferman*

I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm not.
I'm trying to ascertain how much is possible to teach people on this ng.

People who are not iKooks, that is.

While the iKooks are too ignorant to comprehend why the iPhone has more zero-day holes (by far!) than any smartphone - nor why half of them are greatly exploited in the wild, I wonder if you understand the reason why?

Do you?

Do you know why (obviously) Apple _never_ finds these zero-day holes?
It's an incontrovertible fact that someone _else_ tells Apple about them.

Do you know why Apple has to collect all the bugs to fix, test, & release
an entire new complete release stream (new version number) each time?

And, lastly, are you aware that iKooks have been (either ignorant or lying) for years that Apple updates older versions - Apple only updates iOS 16.

In summary, with you and Ant being likely the only other adults on this newsgroup, I wonder if you know these basic facts about this topic.
a. Do you know _why_ iOS has the most zero-day bugs?
b. Do you know _why_ half of them are exploited by the time there's a fix?
c. Do you know _why_ Apple _never_ finds iOS zero day holes (never once!)?
d. Do you know _how_ different iOS releases are from _every_ other OS?
e. Do you know _that_ only the latest iOS (16) contains all the hotfixes?
f. Are you aware that _most_ of these holes are in Apple's stupid WebKit?
g. Do you understand "may have been" always means _has been_ exploited?
etc.

The reason I ask is if you and Ant don't know the answer, then there's no chance that anyone else in this newsgroup will ever learn anything of iOS.

Did anyone explain why the iOS kernel and webkit are the most exploited?
These are the two "most Apple" of all iPhone operating system components.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/update-now-apple-ships-fix-for-zero-day-vulnerability-mac-iphone-ipad
"In plainer English, that means that going to the wrong website can put
malware on your machine, and an Apple customer somewhere in the world has probably learned about this the hard way. Those notes say that Apple fixed
the "type confusion issue" at fault "with improved checks."

The iPhone, iPad, and Mac patches also close a common kernel vulnerability
that could let an app "execute arbitrary code with kernel privileges,"
while the Mac fix addresses a bug that an app could exploit to "observe unprotected user data." There's no mention of those issues being actively exploited."

--
best regards,

Neil

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badgolferman wrote:

Apple on Monday released a new version of the iPhone and iPad's
operating systems to fix a vulnerability that hackers were exploiting
in the wild, meaning they were taking advantage of it to hack Apple
devices.

Hi badgolferman,

I very much appreciate that you bring this news to the fore on this ng.
Very few people on this newsgroup own any intelligence or knowledge.

Even fewer read the news.

Hence, they're always ignorant of these facts... save for you and Ant.
Having said that, I need to know if you _understand_ why this bug happened.

I know why.
Because I read the news (iKooks don't).
And because I'm not stupid (iKooks are).

You and Ant are the only ones on this newsgroup who aren't stupid.
And you and nospam are likely the only ones who read the news (as do I).

So I have a question for you (and for Ant, but I don't expect an answer
from Ant) because I am trying to gauge if this newsgroup is a lost cause.

The iKooks will never learn (they've been called stupid their whole lives,
so me calling them stupid doesn't change a single thing in their psyche).

But you're not stupid.
Neither is Ant.

I could put nospam in there but even as he's the "smartest" of the low-IQ iKooks, nospam still owns a substandard IQ (which I assess to be around 80 based on his inability to respond to facts other than as a child would).

Your IQ, and mine, I assess as at least normal...
*So that's why my question to you is so important, badgolferman*

I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm not.
I'm trying to ascertain how much is possible to teach people on this ng.

People who are not iKooks, that is.

While the iKooks are too ignorant to comprehend why the iPhone has more zero-day holes (by far!) than any smartphone - nor why half of them are
greatly exploited in the wild, I wonder if you understand the reason why?

Do you?

Do you know why (obviously) Apple _never_ finds these zero-day holes?
It's an incontrovertible fact that someone _else_ tells Apple about them.

Do you know why Apple has to collect all the bugs to fix, test, & release
an entire new complete release stream (new version number) each time?

And, lastly, are you aware that iKooks have been (either ignorant or lying)
for years that Apple updates older versions - Apple only updates iOS 16.

In summary, with you and Ant being likely the only other adults on this newsgroup, I wonder if you know these basic facts about this topic.
a. Do you know _why_ iOS has the most zero-day bugs?
b. Do you know _why_ half of them are exploited by the time there's a fix?
c. Do you know _why_ Apple _never_ finds iOS zero day holes (never once!)?
d. Do you know _how_ different iOS releases are from _every_ other OS?
e. Do you know _that_ only the latest iOS (16) contains all the hotfixes?
f. Are you aware that _most_ of these holes are in Apple's stupid WebKit?
g. Do you understand "may have been" always means _has been_ exploited?
etc.

The reason I ask is if you and Ant don't know the answer, then there's no chance that anyone else in this newsgroup will ever learn anything of iOS.

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On 2023-02-14 12:51, Andy Burnelli wrote:

*It's the unique _design_ of iOS* that causes it to be the most flawed.

I could give you plenty of examples which show it's actually the way
Apple designs iOS that is the problem, but I won't...

...because even trying would expose your bullshit.

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Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:

badgolferman wrote:

Apple on Monday released a new version of the iPhone and iPad's
operating systems to fix a vulnerability that hackers were exploiting
in the wild, meaning they were taking advantage of it to hack Apple
devices.

Hi badgolferman,

I very much appreciate that you bring this news to the fore on this ng.
Very few people on this newsgroup own any intelligence or knowledge.

Even fewer read the news.

Hence, they're always ignorant of these facts... save for you and Ant.
Having said that, I need to know if you _understand_ why this bug happened.

I know why.
Because I read the news (iKooks don't).
And because I'm not stupid (iKooks are).

You and Ant are the only ones on this newsgroup who aren't stupid.
And you and nospam are likely the only ones who read the news (as do I).

So I have a question for you (and for Ant, but I don't expect an answer
from Ant) because I am trying to gauge if this newsgroup is a lost cause.

The iKooks will never learn (they've been called stupid their whole lives,
so me calling them stupid doesn't change a single thing in their psyche).

But you're not stupid.
Neither is Ant.

I could put nospam in there but even as he's the "smartest" of the low-IQ iKooks, nospam still owns a substandard IQ (which I assess to be around 80 based on his inability to respond to facts other than as a child would).

Your IQ, and mine, I assess as at least normal...
*So that's why my question to you is so important, badgolferman*

I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm not.
I'm trying to ascertain how much is possible to teach people on this ng.

People who are not iKooks, that is.

While the iKooks are too ignorant to comprehend why the iPhone has more zero-day holes (by far!) than any smartphone - nor why half of them are greatly exploited in the wild, I wonder if you understand the reason why?

Do you?

Do you know why (obviously) Apple _never_ finds these zero-day holes?
It's an incontrovertible fact that someone _else_ tells Apple about them.

Do you know why Apple has to collect all the bugs to fix, test, & release
an entire new complete release stream (new version number) each time?

And, lastly, are you aware that iKooks have been (either ignorant or lying) for years that Apple updates older versions - Apple only updates iOS 16.

In summary, with you and Ant being likely the only other adults on this newsgroup, I wonder if you know these basic facts about this topic.
a. Do you know _why_ iOS has the most zero-day bugs?
b. Do you know _why_ half of them are exploited by the time there's a fix?
c. Do you know _why_ Apple _never_ finds iOS zero day holes (never once!)?
d. Do you know _how_ different iOS releases are from _every_ other OS?
e. Do you know _that_ only the latest iOS (16) contains all the hotfixes?
f. Are you aware that _most_ of these holes are in Apple's stupid WebKit?
g. Do you understand "may have been" always means _has been_ exploited?
etc.

The reason I ask is if you and Ant don't know the answer, then there's no chance that anyone else in this newsgroup will ever learn anything of iOS.

From listening to you my answer would have to be that they don’t test their software enough. But if I listened to nospam then I would have to say
hackers specifically target iOS because people think it’s bullet proof. Windows users say hackers go after Windows because it’s the most popular
OS. Personally I think all operating systems have vulnerabilities just
because they have to open themselves up to the internet in some way. In the
end someone has to be #1 and in this case maybe it’s iOS.

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badgolferman wrote:

From listening to you my answer would have to be that they don't test their software enough. But if I listened to nospam then I would have to say
hackers specifically target iOS because people think it's bullet proof. Windows users say hackers go after Windows because it's the most popular
OS. Personally I think all operating systems have vulnerabilities just because they have to open themselves up to the internet in some way. In the end someone has to be #1 and in this case maybe it's iOS.

Hi badgolferman,

Thank you for your adult response, which, ummm, I should have expected.

I know I put you on the spot so I won't respond like I would to the iKooks
who would stab their own mother in the back to defend Apple to the death.

What you wrote teaches me a lot about how people on this newsgroup think.
And it shows me even more about how much they don't know about iOS.

And, what it shows, the most, is the level of the ability to learn.

Which was my goal to find out, as your answer shows it's really a lost
cause for me to even _try_ to educate the people on this ng about iOS.

For example...

Your answer shows you are swayed by nospam's excuse that it's not just iOS
that has problems, but the answer doesn't show any understanding of iOS.

That's good to know, since the real reason iOS is so insecure is far more sinister than a simplistic excuse of "all operating systems" have bugs.

*The real reason is in how _different_ iOS truly is* from all other OSs.

You might not believe that because people like nospam constantly claim that
iOS is just like every other OS but the fact is the flaws are all built in.

An example is only Apple requires all web browsers to have the _same_ vulnerabilities. So while nospam hides under the "all browsers are bad"
excuse, the reality is Apple ensures all web browsers have the same flaws.

*It's the unique _design_ of iOS* that causes it to be the most flawed.

I could give you plenty of examples which show it's actually the way Apple designs iOS that is the problem, but I won't because my intent wasn't to educate you this time - my intent was to find out if the teaching worked.

It didn't.
And that's just realpolitik, I guess.

I'm sure the iKooks will be ecstatic to know I might give up because if you don't realize that it's the design of iOS that is the problem, nobody will.

Thanks. I do very much appreciate your candid answer.

I will no longer respond in this thread as your answer was my goal, and,
well, I shouldn't be disappointed as I can't teach people what they don't
want to learn. I thought I could. But it's becoming clear that I can't.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to understand what people can learn if taught well.

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In article <tsgqll$2kam3$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Personally I think all operating systems have vulnerabilities just
because they have to open themselves up to the internet in some way.

yep

In the
end someone has to be #1 and in this case maybe it¹s iOS.

like the stock market, every day is different.

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On 2023-02-14 10:45, Andy Burnelli wrote:

While the iKooks are too ignorant to comprehend why the iPhone has more zero-day holes (by far!) than any smartphone - nor why half of them are greatly exploited in the wild, I wonder if you understand the reason why?

I wonder why you never answer these sorts of questions...

...while maintaining the pose that you know it all.

:-)

Do you?

Do you know why (obviously) Apple _never_ finds these zero-day holes?
It's an incontrovertible fact that someone _else_ tells Apple about them.

Do you know why Apple has to collect all the bugs to fix, test, & release
an entire new complete release stream (new version number) each time?

And, lastly, are you aware that iKooks have been (either ignorant or lying) for years that Apple updates older versions - Apple only updates iOS 16.

In summary, with you and Ant being likely the only other adults on this newsgroup, I wonder if you know these basic facts about this topic.
a. Do you know _why_ iOS has the most zero-day bugs?
b. Do you know _why_ half of them are exploited by the time there's a fix?
c. Do you know _why_ Apple _never_ finds iOS zero day holes (never once!)?
d. Do you know _how_ different iOS releases are from _every_ other OS?
e. Do you know _that_ only the latest iOS (16) contains all the hotfixes?
f. Are you aware that _most_ of these holes are in Apple's stupid WebKit?
g. Do you understand "may have been" always means _has been_ exploited?
etc.

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