• Wired media keyboard

    From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 17 15:12:39 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
    space, or a double space. :-(

    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
    keys. Any suggestions?

    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.

    Chris
    --
    Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

    Plant amazing Acers.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Wed Aug 17 15:25:33 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
    space, or a double space. :-(

    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    You can get replacement key switches. IIRC the Logitech ones used their
    own brans switches rather than Cheery etc.

    E.g. first ones on a search:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Compatible-Keyboards/dp/B08YXFWX4T
    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
    keys. Any suggestions?

    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.

    Chris


    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to John Rumm on Wed Aug 17 16:04:26 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/08/2022 15:25, John Rumm wrote:
    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar -  either no
    space, or a double space.  :-(

    It is a gaming keyboard,(1)  and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    You can get replacement key switches. IIRC the Logitech ones used their
    own brans switches rather than Cheery etc.

    It may also be worth spraying switch contact cleaner and lubricant into
    the switch and working it a number of times. That may remove any crud
    that has built up, clean the contacts and mechanism and evaporate
    rapidly leaving a lubricant behind.

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Wed Aug 17 15:56:03 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
    space, or a double space. :-(

    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
    keys. Any suggestions?

    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.
    Chris

    I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
    (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the keys illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I would
    need to run Windows to do that.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From jon@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Wed Aug 17 16:13:44 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:56:03 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I am
    getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no space, or a
    double space. :-(

    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I guess it
    doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media keys.
    Any suggestions?

    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the spec I
    want.
    Chris

    I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
    (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the keys illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I would
    need to run Windows to do that.

    I have my laptop dual bootable with either Win10 2019 server or Ubuntu
    22.04. When in Ubuntu mode it leaves the Fn key illuminated.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Wed Aug 17 16:48:32 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Logitech G-810 keyboard

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Logitech-Keyboards/dp/B07V4717S4

    Just replace the switch
    --
    You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
    kind word alone.

    Al Capone

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to SteveW on Wed Aug 17 17:32:07 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/08/2022 16:04, SteveW wrote:
    On 17/08/2022 15:25, John Rumm wrote:
    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar -  either no
    space, or a double space.  :-(

    It is a gaming keyboard,(1)  and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    You can get replacement key switches. IIRC the Logitech ones used
    their own brans switches rather than Cheery etc.

    It may also be worth spraying switch contact cleaner and lubricant into
    the switch and working it a number of times. That may remove any crud
    that has built up, clean the contacts and mechanism and evaporate
    rapidly leaving a lubricant behind.

    Yup, good idea!


    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From Dan Espen@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Wed Aug 17 15:05:47 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
    space, or a double space. :-(
    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
    keys. Any suggestions?
    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.
    Chris

    I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
    (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the
    keys illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I
    would need to run Windows to do that.

    I have a Logitech G810.
    There are multiple open source packages that allow you to control
    keyboard LEDs. I'm using G810-LED. Windows is not needed.


    --
    Dan Espen

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Dan Espen on Thu Aug 18 08:45:33 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/08/2022 20:05, Dan Espen wrote:
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
    space, or a double space. :-(
    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
    keys. Any suggestions?
    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.
    Chris

    I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
    (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the
    keys illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I
    would need to run Windows to do that.

    I have a Logitech G810.
    There are multiple open source packages that allow you to control
    keyboard LEDs. I'm using G810-LED. Windows is not needed.

    Yep. The G810 driver is available from the Mint repo, but I have a
    built-in keyboard on my Clevo laptop. I've just checked again (I've had
    the laptop almost 8 years), and there are now LED drivers for it. Long
    thread here: <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=287190>.
    There was a bit of an issue when new kernels appeared!

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Thu Aug 18 10:03:36 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
    space, or a double space. :-(

    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    The space bar gets used a lot in gaming. It is conveniently under the
    left thumb when using WASD keys to move an avatar.

    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    with media
    keys. Any suggestions?

    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.

    Chris


    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk on Thu Aug 18 19:38:35 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:03:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
    <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
    space, or a double space. :-(
    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    The space bar gets used a lot in gaming. It is conveniently under the
    left thumb when using WASD keys to move an avatar.

    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    I choose to have one because I computer from a deep armchair
    with my feet up with the mouse running around on a old recipe
    book cover on my lap with the keyboard under the screens to
    the left of me when I am only typing not much text. It isnt that
    light under there in some situations and the illumination helps.

    The other massive advantage of illuminated keyboards is that they
    have to be double injection moulded and so the letters never wear off.

    with media
    keys. Any suggestions?
    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.
    Chris


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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Thu Aug 18 13:41:54 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 18/08/2022 10:38, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:03:36 +1000, Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar -  either no
    space, or a double space.  :-(
     It is a gaming keyboard,(1)  and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    The space bar gets used a lot in gaming. It is conveniently under the
    left thumb when using WASD keys to move an avatar.

    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    I choose to have one because I computer from a deep armchair
    with my feet up with the mouse running around on a old recipe
    book cover on my lap with the keyboard under the screens to
    the left of me when I am only typing not much text. It isnt that
    light under there in some situations and the illumination helps.

    I have always used my computers at a desk, with the ambient lighting
    high enough that the screens are not significantly brighter than the
    background behind them. I also don't look at the keys that much. I don't
    touch type, but my two typing fingers do seem to know where the keys are
    most of the time.


    The other massive advantage of illuminated keyboards is that they
    have to be double injection moulded and so the letters never wear off.

    with media
    keys.  Any suggestions?
     (1)  I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.
     Chris



    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Dan Espen@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Thu Aug 18 23:12:14 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:

    On 17/08/2022 20:05, Dan Espen wrote:
    Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
    space, or a double space. :-(
    It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
    keys. Any suggestions?
    (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
    spec I want.
    Chris

    I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
    (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the
    keys illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I
    would need to run Windows to do that.
    I have a Logitech G810.
    There are multiple open source packages that allow you to control
    keyboard LEDs. I'm using G810-LED. Windows is not needed.

    Yep. The G810 driver is available from the Mint repo, but I have a
    built-in keyboard on my Clevo laptop. I've just checked again (I've
    had the laptop almost 8 years), and there are now LED drivers for
    it. Long thread here:
    <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=287190>. There was a bit
    of an issue when new kernels appeared!

    Good to hear.

    The g810-led scripts are easy to write and you can create some nice effects.

    --
    Dan Espen

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  • From Dan Espen@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Thu Aug 18 23:18:39 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    I work in low light. You can create some very attractive lighting
    effects.

    I use shades of blue on Function keys, text keys, arrows, numeric pad, etc. Makes me happy.

    --
    Dan Espen

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  • From Colin Bignell@21:1/5 to Dan Espen on Fri Aug 19 15:11:03 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 19/08/2022 04:18, Dan Espen wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    I work in low light.

    Unless your screen is almost black, that can cause eye strain. The
    monitor and its background should be of similar brightness.

    You can create some very attractive lighting
    effects.

    I use shades of blue on Function keys, text keys, arrows, numeric pad, etc. Makes me happy.

    That does seem to be the only purpose for them so far as I can see.


    --
    Colin Bignell

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  • From Dan Espen@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Fri Aug 19 12:05:16 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:

    On 19/08/2022 04:18, Dan Espen wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.
    I work in low light.

    Unless your screen is almost black, that can cause eye strain. The
    monitor and its background should be of similar brightness.

    Where I can I set BG to black.

    You can create some very attractive lighting
    effects.
    I use shades of blue on Function keys, text keys, arrows, numeric
    pad, etc.
    Makes me happy.

    That does seem to be the only purpose for them so far as I can see.

    The keyboard may have features besides the LEDs that make it worthwhile.
    My Logitech G810 is a good example. The lights are for show and working
    in low light conditions.

    --
    Dan Espen

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk on Sat Aug 20 05:17:59 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:11:03 +1000, Colin Bignell
    <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

    On 19/08/2022 04:18, Dan Espen wrote:
    Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:

    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.
    I work in low light.

    Unless your screen is almost black, that can cause eye strain.

    Doesn't for me.

    The monitor and its background should be of similar brightness.

    Doesn't need to be for me.

    You can create some very attractive lighting
    effects.
    I use shades of blue on Function keys, text keys, arrows, numeric pad,
    etc.
    Makes me happy.

    That does seem to be the only purpose for them so far as I can see.

    The other obvious purpose is that the lettering never wears off
    because the keytops have to be double injection moulded.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 19 22:08:15 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 05:17:59 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    --
    williamwright addressing Rodent Speed:
    "You are an insecure blathermouth with an inferiority complex."
    MID: <j08dicFcuptU1@mid.individual.net>

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Bob Eager on Fri Aug 19 21:51:06 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 19/08/2022 21:30, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 05:17:59 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

    The other obvious purpose is that the lettering never wears off because
    the keytops have to be double injection moulded.

    Well, yes. But you can have non illuminated keyboards with that.

    The keyboard I am using here has been in daily use since 1989.

    Not all. The spare keyboard that I am currently using has translucent
    keycaps, fully overprinted black, leaving just the lettering unprinted.
    It is a temporary replacement for my Ducky mechanical keyboard that my
    son spilled a drink into.

    I have managed to clean and dry the pcb, casing, etc., but one key
    (despite numerous applications of switch cleaner) is a bit sticky. I
    must get around to buying a replacement switch and soldering it in.

    Although I've just looked and the keyboards seem to be reduced to around
    50 quid ... they were 180 last time I looked!

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Bob Eager on Sat Aug 20 06:45:44 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote

    The other obvious purpose is that the lettering never wears offbecause
    the keytops have to be double injection moulded.

    Well, yes. But you can have non illuminated keyboards with that.

    But those are far less common now.

    The keyboard I am using here has been in daily use since 1989.

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Fri Aug 19 20:30:21 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 05:17:59 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

    The other obvious purpose is that the lettering never wears off because
    the keytops have to be double injection moulded.

    Well, yes. But you can have non illuminated keyboards with that.

    The keyboard I am using here has been in daily use since 1989.

    --
    Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

    Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
    http://www.mirrorservice.org

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 19 23:17:30 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    --
    Pomegranate Bastard addressing the trolling senile cretin from Oz:
    "Surely you can find an Australian group to pollute rather than posting
    your unwanted guff here."
    MID: <c1pqvgte5ldlo1rn3fpl7igtg4h8i9mk7p@4ax.com>

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  • From Jan van den Broek@21:1/5 to Peeler on Sat Aug 20 08:52:02 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
    2022-08-19, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    And your newsreader doesn't have a killfile?


    --
    Jan v/d Broek
    balglaas@dds.nl

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to Jan van den Broek on Sat Aug 20 11:39:22 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 08:52:02 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
    2022-08-19, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    And your newsreader doesn't have a killfile?

    I never killfile anyone.

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  • From John Rumm@21:1/5 to Colin Bignell on Sat Aug 20 14:53:03 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 18/08/2022 10:03, Colin Bignell wrote:
    On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
    am getting increasing problems with the space bar -  either no
    space, or a double space.  :-(

    It is a gaming keyboard,(1)  and is otherwise pretty good. I
    guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

    The space bar gets used a lot in gaming. It is conveniently under the
    left thumb when using WASD keys to move an avatar.

    I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are
    taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.


    --
    Cheers,

    John.

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  • From Jan van den Broek@21:1/5 to Peeler on Sat Aug 20 19:16:50 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
    2022-08-20, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 08:52:02 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
    2022-08-19, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    And your newsreader doesn't have a killfile?

    I never killfile anyone.

    That is your choice. But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
    Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
    your side.
    --
    Jan v/d Broek
    balglaas@dds.nl

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to Jan van den Broek on Sat Aug 20 22:17:27 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 19:16:50 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:


    I never killfile anyone.

    That is your choice.

    That's right!

    But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
    Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
    your side.

    Think about it! <BG>

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  • From Jan van den Broek@21:1/5 to Peeler on Sat Aug 20 20:36:40 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
    2022-08-20, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 19:16:50 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:


    I never killfile anyone.

    That is your choice.

    That's right!

    But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
    Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
    your side.

    Think about it! <BG>

    I could think about, but that wouldn't change much. You seem to be the
    one having trouble with Rods postings.
    --
    Jan v/d Broek
    balglaas@dds.nl

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to Jan van den Broek on Sat Aug 20 23:06:29 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 20:36:40 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:


    That is your choice.

    That's right!

    But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
    Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
    your side.

    Think about it! <BG>

    I could think about, but that wouldn't change much. You seem to be the
    one having trouble with Rods postings.

    Yes, I'm having trouble with the senile cretin's postings. <BG>

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to trolltrap@valid.invalid on Sat Aug 20 22:43:03 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 19:16:50 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:
    I never killfile anyone.

    That is your choice.

    That's right!

    But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
    Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
    your side.

    Think about it! <BG>

    I'm thinking about it, and all I can think is that you want to annoy
    all of us. Because you don't seem to be annoying Rod.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to see.my.signature@nowhere.null on Sat Aug 20 22:42:04 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are
    taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark
    control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you
    can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully touch-typing, the dots are no help.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Aug 21 09:43:21 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:42:04 +1000, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are
    taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark
    control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you
    can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Aug 21 09:45:09 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:43:03 +1000, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 19:16:50 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:
    I never killfile anyone.

    That is your choice.

    That's right!

    But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
    Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
    your side.

    Think about it! <BG>

    I'm thinking about it, and all I can think is that you want to annoy
    all of us. Because you don't seem to be annoying Rod.

    Correct. He does it to a number of others in another group too.

    Never ever posts anything else.

    Rather pathetic that that is all it ever does.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 21 08:54:43 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 20 Aug 2022 22:43:03 -0000, Scott Dorsey, another troll-loving senile ASSHOLE, blathered senilely:


    I'm thinking about it, and all I can think is that you want to annoy
    all of us. Because you don't seem to be annoying Rod.
    --scott

    That's just the result of your senile "thinking", you troll-loving senile asshole! <BG>

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 21 08:57:20 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:43:21 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    --
    Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
    MID: <XnsA97071CF43E3Fadmin127001@85.214.115.223>

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  • From Tim+@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Aug 21 08:18:41 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 19:16:50 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:
    I never killfile anyone.

    That is your choice.

    That's right!

    But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
    Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
    your side.

    Think about it! <BG>

    I'm thinking about it, and all I can think is that you want to annoy
    all of us. Because you don't seem to be annoying Rod.
    --scott

    Have you considered that Peeler and Rod might be the same person?

    Just killfile them both.

    Tim

    --
    Please don't feed the trolls

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 21 10:34:16 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 21 Aug 2022 08:18:41 GMT, Dim+, another senile dimwith, blathered:

    Have you considered that Peeler and Rod might be the same person?

    Just killfile them both.

    Dim

    LOL! Oh, all that senility in these groups!

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to tim.downie@gmail.com on Sun Aug 21 19:19:41 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:18:41 +1000, Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 19:16:50 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:
    I never killfile anyone.

    That is your choice.

    That's right!

    But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
    Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
    your side.

    Think about it! <BG>

    I'm thinking about it, and all I can think is that you want to annoy
    all of us. Because you don't seem to be annoying Rod.

    Have you considered that Peeler and Rod might be the same person?

    Even someone as stupid as you should be able to prove that we aren't.

    Obviously not.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Sun Aug 21 12:28:47 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    In article <op.1q736jadbyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:42:04 +1000, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are
    taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark
    control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you
    can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
    touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Dan Espen@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Aug 21 09:49:16 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:

    In article <op.1q736jadbyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:42:04 +1000, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are >>>> taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark
    control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you
    can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
    touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?

    It doesn't.

    It's Rod syndrome.


    --
    Dan Espen

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 21 16:52:32 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 19:19:41 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    --
    Bod addressing senile Rodent Speed:
    "Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
    and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of trouble."
    MID: <gfbb94Fb4a4U1@mid.individual.net>

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Aug 22 01:52:59 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are >>>> taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark
    control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you
    can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
    touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?

    Your last 'the dots are no help' is just plain wrong in that situation.

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  • From Dan Espen@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Sun Aug 21 12:22:35 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are >>>>> taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark
    control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you
    can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
    touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?

    Your last 'the dots are no help' is just plain wrong in that situation.

    I think the poster used the term "occasional characters" to indicate he
    was talking about keys that he couldn't touch type.

    --
    Dan Espen

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  • From SteveW@21:1/5 to Dan Espen on Sun Aug 21 17:33:00 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On 21/08/2022 17:22, Dan Espen wrote:
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are >>>>>> taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark >>>>> control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you >>>>> can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
    touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?

    Your last 'the dots are no help' is just plain wrong in that situation.

    I think the poster used the term "occasional characters" to indicate he
    was talking about keys that he couldn't touch type.

    I think he was saying that he doesn't have to type. The reference to a
    control room suggests to me a system where yes/no responses are
    required, the starting of operations and the muting/accepting/cancelling
    of alarms. So likely just requiring a single or a couple of presses
    every so often, when the hands will not be pre-positioned for touch
    typing and it will be easiest to look at the keyboard for a moment to
    hit the appropriate key.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 22 04:00:03 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 02:33:00 +1000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk>
    wrote:

    On 21/08/2022 17:22, Dan Espen wrote:
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you >>>>>>> are
    taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark >>>>>> control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard >>>>>> with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you >>>>>> can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully >>>>>> touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?

    Your last 'the dots are no help' is just plain wrong in that situation.
    I think the poster used the term "occasional characters" to indicate he
    was talking about keys that he couldn't touch type.

    I think he was saying that he doesn't have to type.

    Correct.

    The reference to a control room

    That wasn't from me.

    suggests to me a system where yes/no responses are required,

    Actually individual single letter keystrokes used to do stuff like
    pause or skip forward the PVR when playing recorded stuff.

    I use the PC as the PVR and use the keyboard to pause
    and skip over ads etc when playing recorded stuff.

    the starting of operations and the muting/accepting/cancelling of
    alarms. So likely just requiring a single or a couple of presses every
    so often, when the hands will not be pre-positioned for touch typing and
    it will be easiest to look at the keyboard for a moment to hit the appropriate key.

    Correct.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Dan Espen on Mon Aug 22 03:21:43 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you >>>>>> are taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark >>>>> control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you >>>>> can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
    touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?

    Your last 'the dots are no help' is just plain wrong in that situation.

    I think the poster used the term "occasional characters" to indicate he
    was talking about keys that he couldn't touch type.

    So was I with the occasional stuff I need to type with the keyboard
    still sitting under the screens in the dark, particularly at night.
    By definition when you aren't touch typing, you need to see which
    key is which and so need to be able to see the key labels.

    I never need to see the key labels when the keyboard is on
    my lap because I have always been able to touch type since
    I was in high school.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 21 20:45:04 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 03:21:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    --
    Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 88-year-old senile Australian
    cretin's pathological trolling: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 21 20:44:09 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 04:00:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
    Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

    <FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

    --
    Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
    "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
    asshole.
    MID: <ev1p6ml7ywd5$.dlg@sqwertz.com>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Mon Aug 22 14:30:43 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are >>>>> taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark
    control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you
    can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
    touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?

    Your last 'the dots are no help' is just plain wrong in that situation.

    How do the dots on a non-illuminated keyboard help when your fingers are
    not on the home row?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Aug 23 07:17:25 2022
    XPost: uk.d-i-y

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote
    John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:

    I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

    The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you >>>>>> are
    taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

    They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark >>>>> control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
    with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you >>>>> can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
    punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
    touch-typing, the dots are no help.

    That's not accurate. I compute from a deep armchair with
    my feet up with the keyboard off to the left of the airmchair
    under the two monitors, one of which swings over my legs.
    It is quite dark there at night so the backlight keys are very handy.

    How does that contradict one word I said?

    Your last 'the dots are no help' is just plain wrong in that situation.

    How do the dots on a non-illuminated keyboard help when your fingers are
    not on the home row?

    You find the dots and then move from there to the key you want to press.

    I play FreeCell Pro when watching recorded video and have my
    own micro spreadsheet which I keep track of potential moves in
    which uses just numbers, for the column number and the result
    of doing what that column allows. I type the numbers in entirely
    by feel with the keyboard off to my left under the screens. I key
    the correct column number into the spreadsheet using the dot
    on the 5 keytop in the numeric pad for the 5,6,8 and 9 keys.
    I use the left hand edge of the keypad for 4 and 7 and the large
    0 for the 1,2 and 3 keys and the right hand edge for the - and +
    keys which I also add to the spreadsheet.

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  • From Peeler@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 23 00:29:19 2022
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    On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 07:17:25 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
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