• Bloody Microsoft

    From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 10 16:47:27 2021
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it
    wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that doesn't
    mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Rich@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Thu Jun 10 14:09:38 2021
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that doesn't
    mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    This is a well known microsoft anti-copy measure. When you "install"
    their licensed crapware, it "locks" itself to your particular hardware,
    and so things such as a motherboard swap result in them believing they
    have been "copied elsewhere" and they demand more money again.

    Solution: https://www.libreoffice.org/

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to Rich on Thu Jun 10 14:41:37 2021
    On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:09:38 +0000, Rich wrote:

    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it
    wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that
    doesn't mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    This is a well known microsoft anti-copy measure. When you "install"
    their licensed crapware, it "locks" itself to your particular hardware,
    and so things such as a motherboard swap result in them believing they
    have been "copied elsewhere" and they demand more money again.

    If it's not an OEM version, they will allow activation on request.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Bob Eager on Thu Jun 10 09:20:02 2021
    On 06/10/2021 07:41 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:09:38 +0000, Rich wrote:

    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it
    wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that
    doesn't mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    This is a well known microsoft anti-copy measure. When you "install"
    their licensed crapware, it "locks" itself to your particular hardware,
    and so things such as a motherboard swap result in them believing they
    have been "copied elsewhere" and they demand more money again.

    If it's not an OEM version, they will allow activation on request.

    SIL had to replace a hard drive and had to buy a new Win10 copy.
    Chickenshit.

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Thu Jun 10 11:20:48 2021
    On 6/10/21 10:20 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    had to replace a hard drive and had to buy a new Win10 copy.

    You should not have needed to buy a new W10 copy (for multiple reasons).
    But you may have needed to re-activate the existing install. Doing
    said (re)activation may have required contacting Microsoft and
    explaining to their satisfaction (that you replaced the hard drive in
    the same computer) so that they will reset the installed count on your
    existing copy.

    It's definitely a PITA. But 5-15 minutes talking to Microsoft is
    decidedly cheaper than purchasing a new license.

    Aside: What W10 license are you using? I still routinely get free W10 licenses for family members computers when I work on them.



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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Thu Jun 10 21:24:30 2021
    On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 09:20:02 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    On 06/10/2021 07:41 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:09:38 +0000, Rich wrote:

    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up,
    it wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that
    doesn't mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    This is a well known microsoft anti-copy measure. When you "install"
    their licensed crapware, it "locks" itself to your particular
    hardware,
    and so things such as a motherboard swap result in them believing they
    have been "copied elsewhere" and they demand more money again.

    If it's not an OEM version, they will allow activation on request.

    SIL had to replace a hard drive and had to buy a new Win10 copy.
    Chickenshit.

    Was that an OEM copy?




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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Rich on Fri Jun 11 08:56:55 2021
    On 11-Jun-21 12:09 am, Rich wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it
    wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that doesn't
    mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    This is a well known microsoft anti-copy measure. When you "install"
    their licensed crapware, it "locks" itself to your particular hardware,
    and so things such as a motherboard swap result in them believing they
    have been "copied elsewhere" and they demand more money again.

    Solution: https://www.libreoffice.org/


    The version I had was bought retail, so I'm permitted to install it on
    new hardware. All it actually wanted was for me to tell it to do an
    internet activation. Given Microsoft's general lack of concern about
    respecting its users privacy, I can't see why Word couldn't just do that
    for itself, rather than tossing my work.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Roger Blake@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Thu Jun 10 22:38:31 2021
    On 2021-06-10, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that doesn't
    mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    As far as I'm concerned the people who run Microsoft are a bunch of mindless jerks who should be the first up against the wall when the Revolution comes.

    Today's adventure was doing an in-place upgrade of a Win10 1803 system to current version that simply fails with no error codes, no reason given,
    and nothing in the installation log - just a big "F*ck you, install it
    from scratch sucker, just because!" from Microsoft.

    They should all die a grievous death. (I don't use Microsoft's garbage
    software myself but support it for others.)

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to bashley101@gmail.com on Sun Jun 13 18:34:44 2021
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 06/10/2021 07:41 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:09:38 +0000, Rich wrote:

    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it >>>> wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that
    doesn't mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    This is a well known microsoft anti-copy measure. When you "install"
    their licensed crapware, it "locks" itself to your particular hardware,
    and so things such as a motherboard swap result in them believing they
    have been "copied elsewhere" and they demand more money again.

    If you swap the motherboard, it IS unlicensed because it's not licensed
    to run on that board. Make the phone call, read them the letters, and
    transfer the license. It does not take long. Since you have to do it
    for the OS anyway, you might as well just do Office at the same time.

    If it's not an OEM version, they will allow activation on request.

    SIL had to replace a hard drive and had to buy a new Win10 copy.
    Chickenshit.

    This happens because machines no longer come with physical license keys. Extract the license key and print it out and this won't happen to you.

    It also happens because people don't keep image backups. Make an image
    backup every six months or so using Clonezilla or some other similar application.
    --scott

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sun Jun 13 23:00:54 2021
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
    On 6/10/21 10:20 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    had to replace a hard drive and had to buy a new Win10 copy.

    You should not have needed to buy a new W10 copy (for multiple reasons).
    But you may have needed to re-activate the existing install. Doing
    said (re)activation may have required contacting Microsoft and
    explaining to their satisfaction (that you replaced the hard drive in
    the same computer) so that they will reset the installed count on your existing copy.

    It's definitely a PITA. But 5-15 minutes talking to Microsoft is
    decidedly cheaper than purchasing a new license.

    Aside: What W10 license are you using? I still routinely get free W10 licenses for family members computers when I work on them.

    Uh, you get free W10 keys from them?
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Jun 13 22:59:58 2021
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 06/10/2021 07:41 AM, Bob Eager wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:09:38 +0000, Rich wrote:

    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it >>>> wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that
    doesn't mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    This is a well known microsoft anti-copy measure. When you "install"
    their licensed crapware, it "locks" itself to your particular hardware, >>> and so things such as a motherboard swap result in them believing they >>> have been "copied elsewhere" and they demand more money again.

    If you swap the motherboard, it IS unlicensed because it's not licensed
    to run on that board. Make the phone call, read them the letters, and transfer the license. It does not take long. Since you have to do it
    for the OS anyway, you might as well just do Office at the same time.

    If it's not an OEM version, they will allow activation on request.

    SIL had to replace a hard drive and had to buy a new Win10 copy. >Chickenshit.

    This happens because machines no longer come with physical license keys. Extract the license key and print it out and this won't happen to you.

    It also happens because people don't keep image backups. Make an image backup every six months or so using Clonezilla or some other similar application.
    --scott

    Or use a MS account to register your keys.
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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Ant on Sun Jun 13 22:20:49 2021
    On 6/13/21 10:00 PM, Ant wrote:
    Uh, you get free W10 keys from them?

    Yes.

    If you have a qualifying product (I think Windows 7 or newer) you can
    get a key / license to upgrade to Windows 10 for free.

    This is most simply done by using your qualifying product's key as the
    key for Windows 10.

    It's part of their move to get everybody to upgrade to current, latest,
    and supposedly greatest.



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  • From Scott Alfter@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Jun 14 16:16:38 2021
    In article <WMGdncTogaPrSVv9nZ2dnUU7-eWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
    On 6/10/21 10:20 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
    had to replace a hard drive and had to buy a new Win10 copy.

    You should not have needed to buy a new W10 copy (for multiple reasons).
    But you may have needed to re-activate the existing install. Doing
    said (re)activation may have required contacting Microsoft and
    explaining to their satisfaction (that you replaced the hard drive in
    the same computer) so that they will reset the installed count on your
    existing copy.

    It's definitely a PITA. But 5-15 minutes talking to Microsoft is
    decidedly cheaper than purchasing a new license.

    Aside: What W10 license are you using? I still routinely get free W10
    licenses for family members computers when I work on them.

    Uh, you get free W10 keys from them?

    They never quit the free upgrades from Win7/8/8.1. It was only supposed to last a year, but you can take a computer running Win7 (retail, OEM, volume license...it doesn't matter), upgrade it it Win10, and it'll activate.
    Since these upgraded installations are unstable about half of the time, you
    can then wipe the hard drive clean and do a fresh Win10 install, and it'll reactivate.

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Scott Alfter on Mon Jun 14 11:11:13 2021
    On 6/14/21 10:16 AM, Scott Alfter wrote:
    They never quit the free upgrades from Win7/8/8.1. It was only
    supposed to last a year, but you can take a computer running Win7
    (retail, OEM, volume license...it doesn't matter), upgrade it it Win10,
    and it'll activate.

    Yep, that sounds like the program that I'm referring to.

    Since these upgraded installations are unstable about half of the time,
    you can then wipe the hard drive clean and do a fresh Win10 install,
    and it'll reactivate.

    I don't think I've ever done an /upgrade/ install of Windows 10. I've
    always done a fresh install. They've been stable enough -- for family
    members using them -- for multiple years. As in I don't have to
    routinely fix or otherwise futz with them (remotely).



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  • From Javier@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Jun 14 18:49:57 2021
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    It also happens because people don't keep image backups. Make an image backup every six months or so using Clonezilla or some other similar application.

    Which are the advantages of using clonezilla over dd?
    For example, would clonezilla detect empty sectors?

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Jun 14 21:52:58 2021
    On 6/14/21 9:37 PM, Ant wrote:
    Ah. I thought you were able to get free W10 keys for yourself. :O

    I believe I could, /if/ I wanted one. I do not. I dislike Windows,
    especially contemporary Windows. My year of the Linux desktop was 1998.
    Windows ... to be polite ... does something between annoy and irritate
    me, depending on the day and what I'm trying to do.



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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Mon Jun 14 22:37:43 2021
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
    On 6/13/21 10:00 PM, Ant wrote:
    Uh, you get free W10 keys from them?

    Yes.

    If you have a qualifying product (I think Windows 7 or newer) you can
    get a key / license to upgrade to Windows 10 for free.

    This is most simply done by using your qualifying product's key as the
    key for Windows 10.

    It's part of their move to get everybody to upgrade to current, latest,
    and supposedly greatest.

    Ah. I thought you were able to get free W10 keys for yourself. :O
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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to Javier on Tue Jun 15 08:14:05 2021
    Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    It also happens because people don't keep image backups. Make an image
    backup every six months or so using Clonezilla or some other similar
    application.

    Which are the advantages of using clonezilla over dd?
    For example, would clonezilla detect empty sectors?

    Clonezilla uses partclone so yes.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to invalid@invalid.invalid on Thu Jun 17 21:15:57 2021
    Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    It also happens because people don't keep image backups. Make an image
    backup every six months or so using Clonezilla or some other similar
    application.

    Which are the advantages of using clonezilla over dd?
    For example, would clonezilla detect empty sectors?

    Clonezilla comes as a standalone package. You boot it off the CD and now
    you don't worry about open files because it's running instead of your normal
    OS and no files are open on your OS disk.

    When you run clonezilla, it looks at partitions, and it images them. If it sees a partition type it doesn't know about, it will use dd, I believe. If
    it sees a partition type that it can clone much faster using various built in applications, it will use them. On the whole, copying ext4, ntfs, or xfs filesystems, it runs much much faster than dd, usually by a factor of more
    than ten.
    --scott


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  • From Lain@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Wed Jun 30 18:38:56 2021
    On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 08:56:55 +1000
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:

    On 11-Jun-21 12:09 am, Rich wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    Just because you think my version of Office is unlicensed (heads up, it
    wasn't, the motherboard change just made you think it was), that doesn't >> mean you should just throw away my work in progress.

    This is a well known microsoft anti-copy measure. When you "install"
    their licensed crapware, it "locks" itself to your particular hardware,
    and so things such as a motherboard swap result in them believing they
    have been "copied elsewhere" and they demand more money again.

    Solution: https://www.libreoffice.org/


    The version I had was bought retail, so I'm permitted to install it on
    new hardware. All it actually wanted was for me to tell it to do an
    internet activation. Given Microsoft's general lack of concern about respecting its users privacy, I can't see why Word couldn't just do that
    for itself, rather than tossing my work.

    Sylvia.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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    Lain <lain@wired.net>

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