They're each limited in their own way, but:
* Google search is getting subjectively worse at doing the basics
* The DDG agreement with Microsoft really irks me
* There's not much else out there
They're each limited in their own way, but:
* Google search is getting subjectively worse at doing the basics
What do you exactly mean? Censorship, removed results, tracking?
In article <20220621155200.67f31855@ryz>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2022, um 06:52:40 Uhr schrieb Retrograde:
They're each limited in their own way, but:
* Google search is getting subjectively worse at doing the basics
What do you exactly mean? Censorship, removed results, tracking?
You're looking for a poem that has the exact phrase "the great grey plains
of ooze" and you search for that with quotes around it and you get a million things that are not that exact string and somewhere buried in with all of those spurious results you will find the exact match. When in fact by using quotes you specified an exact match.
--scott
In article <20220621155200.67f31855@ryz>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2022, um 06:52:40 Uhr schrieb Retrograde:
They're each limited in their own way, but:
* Google search is getting subjectively worse at doing the basics
What do you exactly mean? Censorship, removed results, tracking?
You're looking for a poem that has the exact phrase "the great grey plains
of ooze" and you search for that with quotes around it and you get a million things that are not that exact string and somewhere buried in with all of those spurious results you will find the exact match. When in fact by using quotes you specified an exact match.
Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2022, um 06:52:40 Uhr schrieb Retrograde:
They're each limited in their own way, but:
* Google search is getting subjectively worse at doing the basics
What do you exactly mean? Censorship, removed results, tracking?
* The DDG agreement with Microsoft really irks me
DDG also implements censorship, at least in the EU, for me it is over
with them.
The GOOG is now so bad at the basics I'm starting to wonder if they've adjusted their algorithm intentionally to feed me a steady diet of
tripe. Youtube is similar. "People who searched for [performance
comparison UFS ZFS] also searched for [best Kardashian wardobe fails]
etc." Yeah, well who the F asked you to discuss what other people search
for? Give me what I asked for, ya obnoxious, arrogant tw*t, and try to
stay on topic.
On 21 Jun 2022 14:37:01 -0000
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
In article <20220621155200.67f31855@ryz>, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2022, um 06:52:40 Uhr schrieb Retrograde:
They're each limited in their own way, but:
* Google search is getting subjectively worse at doing the basics
What do you exactly mean? Censorship, removed results, tracking?
You're looking for a poem that has the exact phrase "the great grey plains >> of ooze" and you search for that with quotes around it and you get a million >> things that are not that exact string and somewhere buried in with all of
those spurious results you will find the exact match. When in fact by using >> quotes you specified an exact match.
I just tried this search with w3m (on Google) and got exactly 2 results :
books.google.co.uk/books?id=0YDal4Lj59kC
[ Much longer link than this but the above takes you to the correct book. ]
https://vdoc.pub/documents/the-ultimate-book-of-saturday-science-the-very-best-backyard-science-experiments-you-can-do-yourself-3tpvpkl76mhg
both referring to "The Ultimate Book Of Saturday Science The Very Best >Backyard Science Experiments You Can Do Yourself" .
Trying going to the link
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+great+grey+plains+of+ooze%22
and see what happens.
DDG also implements censorship, at least in the EU, for me it is
over with them.
Can you give move information on this ?
Well said. I was going to respond simply, "worse at showing me
results for the thing I'm searching for." You might not even get that
one hit buried in the rest of the shit; it might just all be shit.
I note that on several occasions I have got better results using Google to search any of the amazon websites rather than use the amazon website search facility.
Trying going to the link
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+great+grey+plains+of+ooze%22
and see what happens.
Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2022, um 18:21:33 Uhr schrieb Spiros Bousbouras:
DDG also implements censorship, at least in the EU, for me it is
over with them.
Can you give move information on this ?
The european union ordered that search engines must censor results from certain Russian media, like Russia Today.
The operate de.rt.com (a German webpage of them).
DuckDuckGo implemented that they don't show results from their service anymore in the EU. They also announced that they want to ban them from
their results.
Searx didn't implement that, but at this time it also shows no results
for that. I need to figure out what the exact reason for that is (maybe
their index source does not provide it anymore.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 06:52:40 -0400
Since a long time , I have been using Google to search youtube rather than youtube's search facility. http://www.google.com/search?q=performance+comparison+UFS+ZFS+site:youtube.com
gives me around 10 results. Some of them are not on youtube but all of them seem relevant to the search string.
Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2022, um 18:21:33 Uhr schrieb Spiros Bousbouras:
DDG also implements censorship, at least in the EU, for me it is
over with them.
Can you give move information on this ?
The european union ordered that search engines must censor results from certain Russian media, like Russia Today.
The operate de.rt.com (a German webpage of them).
DuckDuckGo implemented that they don't show results from their service anymore in the EU. They also announced that they want to ban them from
their results.
Searx didn't implement that, but at this time it also shows no results
for that. I need to figure out what the exact reason for that is (maybe
their index source does not provide it anymore.
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
I note that on several occasions I have got better results using Google to search any of the amazon websites rather than use the amazon website search facility.
Amazon's search is not designed to help you find things, it's designed to railroad you into buying things that make them the most profit.
For example, sort by price simply doesn't work: there is a completely different number of search hits when doing sort by price than the default sort order, and many of them not what you searched for. Plus about half the listings are for promoted items which don't obey the sort order.
The solution for that is to stick with the default sort order but instead
use the 'From: $... To $...' box, starting with say 'To: $5' and gradually increasing until you find something suitable.
What happens if a search engine does not obey ? Will they get fined ?
I tried googling for the EU measures but I wasn't able to see
specifics about search engines. But if there are (large) fines
involved then you can't blame a search engine for obeying.
On 21 Jun 2022 22:56:59 +0100 (BST)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
I note that on several occasions I have got better results using Google to
search any of the amazon websites rather than use the amazon website search
facility.
Amazon's search is not designed to help you find things, it's designed to railroad you into buying things that make them the most profit.
I only started seeing unsatisfactory results in the last 2 years , perhaps 1. I don't remember specific examples but often I'm looking for a specialised book , possibly one out of print. amazon search does not even display results about books whereas a Google search with site:www.amazon.... has it as the first match. I don't get the sense that the primary reason is amazon trying to manipulate me , I mean there's just no connection between what I was looking for and what results I saw. Possibly the amazon algorithm takes availability of products into account but gives it too much weight relative to the degree of matching with the search string.
I have used sort by price very little but I never noticed anything abnormal.
I noticed it when searching for 'toilet plunger'. It was absolutely desperate for me to buy something called 'the Luigi' - a piece of plastic which is just one of the standard designs being produced by a factory somewhere and numerous no-brand versions available. On the first page of hits there are 7 listings for the Luigi (strictly the same item in two different colours). It's 'Amazon's choice', it's 'Recommended' by a third party, and there are several 'Sponsored' listings.
I noticed it when searching for 'toilet plunger'. It was absolutely desperate for me to buy something called 'the Luigi' - a piece of plastic which is just one of the standard designs being produced by a factory somewhere and numerous no-brand versions available. On the first page of hits there are 7 listings for the Luigi (strictly the same item in two different colours). It's 'Amazon's choice', it's 'Recommended' by a third party, and there are several 'Sponsored' listings.
For me Amazon's Choice is a standard wooden handle with rubber disc "dalek manipulator" design; the Best Seller is the colourful Luigi, following that there are variations on those designs with different names/colours/prices, a "snake" design, plus a "stirrup pump" design that appears to operate by converting the bog into some sort of Stargate Portal.
There doesn't seem to be particular emphasis on the Luigi ...
On 21 Jun 2022 22:56:59 +0100 (BST)
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
I note that on several occasions I have got better results using Google to
search any of the amazon websites rather than use the amazon website search
facility.
Amazon's search is not designed to help you find things, it's designed to railroad you into buying things that make them the most profit.
I only started seeing unsatisfactory results in the last 2 years , perhaps 1. I don't remember specific examples but often I'm looking for a specialised book , possibly one out of print. amazon search does not even display results about books whereas a Google search with site:www.amazon.... has it as the first match. I don't get the sense that the primary reason is amazon trying to manipulate me , I mean there's just no connection between what I was looking for and what results I saw. Possibly the amazon algorithm takes availability of products into account but gives it too much weight relative to the degree of matching with the search string.
I mentioned that here a month ago while talking to myself after
posting the same link as the OP.
Me I'm having fun playing around with:
* Kagi
* Marginalia.nu
* Wiby.me
* Searchmysite.net
The GOOG is now so bad at the basics I'm starting to wonder if they've adjusted their algorithm intentionally to feed me a steady diet of
tripe.
On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 06:52:40 -0400
Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
Me I'm having fun playing around with:
* Kagi
* Marginalia.nu
* Wiby.me
* Searchmysite.net
I like duckduckstart.com. If you prefix a ! operator to your search, it
makes use of DuckDuckGo. If you don't, it uses Startpage.com.
The GOOG is now so bad at the basics I'm starting to wonder if they've
adjusted their algorithm intentionally to feed me a steady diet of
tripe.
If you prefix your search with allintext: it seems to work better. I
don't think you can leave a space between allintext: and the first
search term, so the search looks like this:
allintext:python tuples
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 343 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 33:04:48 |
| Calls: | 7,557 |
| Calls today: | 1 |
| Files: | 12,733 |
| Messages: | 5,655,842 |