• No, Israel does not have a right to defend itself in Gaza. But the Pale

    From NefeshBarYochai@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 16 20:35:24 2024
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    One of the many disturbing revelations that have emerged since the
    current phase of genocide in Palestine began almost a year ago, is the
    degree to which U.S. and other Western politicians are prepared to
    dutifully stick to a script provided by Israel and its Western
    lobbies, whether the script is true or not. A case in point is the
    oft-repeated “self-defense” canard.

    After every successive war crime and crime against humanity
    perpetrated by Israel in its current genocidal rampage, the single
    most common refrain of Western government officials (and of Western
    corporate media) is that “Israel has a right to defend itself.”

    No, it does not.

    In fact, as a matter of international law, this is a double lie.

    First, Israel has no such right in Gaza (or the West Bank and East
    Jerusalem).

    And, secondly, the acts that the “self-defense” claims seek to justify
    would be unlawful even where self-defense applies.

    The UN Charter, a treaty binding on all member states, codifies key
    rights and responsibilities of states. Among these are the duty to
    respect the self-determination of peoples (including the
    Palestinians), the duty to respect human rights, and the duty to
    refrain from the use of force against other states (where not
    authorized by the Security Council). Israel, for the 76 years of its
    existence, has been repeatedly in breach of these principles.

    A temporary exception to the prohibition on the use of force is
    codified in Article 51 of the UN Charter for self-defense from
    external attacks. But importantly, no such right exists where the
    threat emanates from inside the territory controlled by the state.
    This principle was affirmed by the World Court in its 2004 opinion on
    Israel’s apartheid wall. And the Court found then, and again in its
    2024 opinion on the occupation, that Israel is the occupying power
    across the occupied Palestinian territory. Thus, Israel, as the
    occupying power, cannot claim self-defense as a justification for
    launching military attacks in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, or
    the Golan Heights.

    Of course, Israel, from within its own territory, can lawfully repel
    any attacks to protect its civilians, but it cannot claim self-defense
    to wage war against the territories it occupies. In fact, its
    principal obligation is to protect the occupied population. In doing
    so, an occupying power can undertake essential law enforcement
    functions (as distinct from military operations). But, given that the
    World Court has subsequently found that Israel’s occupation of the
    territories is itself entirely unlawful, even those functions would
    likely be illegitimate, except as strictly necessary to protect the
    occupied population and within a short timeline of withdrawal.

    In its most recent opinion, the Court has declared that Israel’s
    presence in the territories violates the principle of
    self-determination, the rule of non-acquisition of territory by force,
    and the human rights of the Palestinian people and that it must
    quickly end its presence and compensate the Palestinian people for
    losses suffered. As a matter of law, every Israeli boot on the ground,
    every Israeli missile, jet, or drone in Palestinian air space, and
    even a single unauthorized Israeli bicycle on a Palestinian road, is a
    breach of international law.

    In sum, Israel’s lawful remedy for threats that it alleges emanate
    from the occupied territories is to end its unlawful occupation,
    dismantle the settlements, leave the territories, remove the siege,
    and fully relinquish control to the occupied Palestinian people.

    Here, international law is a simple reflection of common sense and
    universal morality. A criminal cannot take over someone’s home, move
    in, loot its contents, imprison and brutalize the inhabitants, and
    then claim self-defense to murder the homeowners when they fight back.
    And, beyond occupied Palestine, while Israel has a right to
    self-defense from attacks by other states, it cannot claim that right
    if the attack is a response to Israeli aggression. Israel cannot
    attack a neighboring state (e.g., Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen)
    and then claim self-defense if that state strikes back. To accept such
    an assertion would be to turn international law on its head.

    Thus, most assertions by Western politicians and media that “Israel
    has a right to self-defense” are demonstrably false, as a matter of international law.

    The second lie contained in these repeated assertions is the
    suggestion that a claim of self-defense justifies Israel’s myriad
    crimes. International law does not allow a claim of self-defense to
    justify crimes against humanity and genocide. Nor does it magically
    overcome the international humanitarian law imperatives of precaution, distinction, and proportionality, or the protected status of hospitals
    and other vital civilian installations.

    In addition, the presence of people associated with armed resistance
    groups (even if proven) does not automatically transform a civilian
    location or protected structure into a legitimate military target. If
    it did, the common presence of Israeli soldiers in Israeli hospitals
    would equally render those hospitals legitimate targets. Attacking
    hospitals is not an act of self-defense. It is an act of murder and,
    in systematic and large-scale cases, of the crime of extermination.

    A claim of self-defense does not justify collective punishment, the
    siege of civilian populations, extrajudicial executions, torture, the
    blocking of humanitarian aid, the targeting of children, the murder of
    aid workers, medical personnel, journalists, and UN officials- all
    crimes perpetrated by Israel during the current phase of its genocide
    in Palestine. And all shamelessly followed by claims of self-defense
    by Israel’s defenders in the West.

    Thus, every response of a politician or complicit corporate media
    voice to an Israeli crime that begins with “Israel has a right to
    defend itself” is at once a justification of the unjustifiable and a
    bald-faced lie- and it should be called out as such.

    Further, what you will never hear these voices utter is that Palestine
    has a right to defend itself, even though, under international law, it absolutely does. Rooted in the UN Charter, and in international
    humanitarian and human rights law, and affirmed by a series of UN
    resolutions, Palestinian resistance groups have a legal right to armed resistance to free the Palestinian people from foreign occupation,
    colonial domination, and apartheid.

    And the world agrees. The UN General Assembly has declared:

    “the inalienable right of …the Palestinian people and all peoples
    under foreign occupation and colonial domination to
    self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity,
    national unity and sovereignty without foreign interference” and has
    reaffirmed “the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for
    independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation
    from colonial domination, apartheid and foreign occupation by all
    available means, including armed struggle.”

    Of course, all resistance must respect the rules of humanitarian law,
    including the principle of distinction to spare civilians. But
    Palestine’s right under international law to armed resistance against
    Israel is by now axiomatic.

    Simply put, the Palestinian people have a recognized legal right to
    resist Israel’s occupation, apartheid and genocide, including through
    armed struggle. And, since the underlying resistance is lawful,
    alliances, aid, and support to the Palestinians for this purpose are
    also lawful.

    Conversely, as Israel’s occupation, apartheid and genocide are
    unlawful, support to Israel in those endeavors by Western states is
    unlawful. Indeed, the World Court has found that all states are
    obliged to end any such support to Israel and to work to end Israel’s occupation.

    And one more point on the notion of self-defense. History did not
    begin on October 7, 2023. In the 1930s and 40s, Zionist colonists
    traveled from Europe to attack Palestinians in their homes in
    Palestine. No Palestinian militia traveled to Europe to attack the
    colonists in their homes in England, France, and Russia. (Of course,
    Jews fleeing European persecution had every right to seek asylum in
    Palestine and elsewhere. But Zionists had no right to colonize the
    land and to dispossess the indigenous people).

    For more than 76 years since, Israel has attacked, brutalized,
    displaced, dispossessed, and murdered the indigenous Palestinian
    people, and sought to erase them. It has ethnically cleansed hundreds
    of Palestinian towns and villages, stolen Palestinian homes,
    businesses, farms, and orchards, and destroyed Palestinian civilian infrastructure. Every Palestinian community has experienced daily
    assaults on dignity, arrests, beatings, torture, pillage, and murder
    at the hands of Israel. Survivors have been forced to live under a
    regime of apartheid and racial segregation and with the systematic
    denial of civil, political, economic, social, and cultural rights in
    their own land.

    Every peaceful Palestinian effort to end the oppression and to regain
    the Palestinian right to self-determination, through diplomatic
    initiatives, judicial action, peaceful protest, or organized boycotts
    and divestment, has been met with repression or rejection, not only by
    Israel but by its Western sponsors.

    In this context, basic morality and simple logic dictate that the
    right of self-defense belongs to the Palestinian people, not to their oppressor. And international law agrees.

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  • From a425couple@21:1/5 to NefeshBarYochai on Mon Sep 16 19:03:40 2024
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    On 9/16/24 17:35, NefeshBarYochai wrote:
    One of the many disturbing revelations - - is the
    degree to which U.S. and other Western politicians are prepared to
    dutifully stick to a script provided by Israel and its Western
    lobbies, whether the script is true or not. A case in point is the oft-repeated “self-defense” canard.


    It comes down to a pretty simple question.

    Do you trust the knowledge, judgement, and decision making of
    leaders like Winston Churchill and Harry Truman (or more recently
    on a rare topic that both Don Trump and Joe Biden agree on),
    joined by a super majority of the United Nations,

    or a constantly complaining, NefeshBarYochai ?

    I will go with our leaders who have done the best they knew
    how, to shape the world to be better than they found it.

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    Both groups, Jews and Palestinians had populations there.
    But it was a thinly populated area. Terraces that had been
    productive when Jews had the majority, but lost to military
    conquest to Muhammad lay mostly neglected.
    As many said, "A people without a land, for a land without a people."

    But the Palestinians continued to make bad choices.
    They picked the wrong side in WWI.
    They picked the wrong side in WWII.
    They refused to compromise, and refused the UN offer in 1947.
    They chose to fight with 5 organized Arab Armies against the
    Jewish militia and, surprising all, lost in 1948-49.
    They made the bad choice to start a war in 1956.
    They made the bad choice to start a was in 1967, and lost much land.
    They made the bad choice to start a war in 1973.
    They made the bad choice to start a war in 1982.
    They made the bad choice to start a war in 2006.
    They made the bad choice to refuse what POTUS Carter negotiated.
    They made the bad choice to refuse what POTUS Clinton negotiated.


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    Yes, the Palestinians do deserve a right to a homeland.
    They were offered one, just as the Jews were offered one
    when the UK gave up it's UN mandate.
    The Jews accepted what was offered, even tho it was far
    from ideal. They created Israel, and have flourished
    and they made the desert bloom.
    The Palestinians refused to share, and decided to kill
    the Jews rather than share. Surprise! Even with the
    Armies of five nations helping the Palestinians,
    they failed.

    And have been consumed by hatred, and refusal to share
    for the last 75 years. Every time the Palestinians
    are offered a chance to have their own state and
    live in peace, they refuse.

    Please read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

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    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    "Partition of Palestine" redirects here. For the partition of Palestine
    into Israel, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank, see 1949 Armistice
    Agreements.
    UN General Assembly
    Resolution 181 (II)

    UNSCOP (3 September 1947; see green line) and UN Ad Hoc Committee (25
    November 1947) partition plans. The UN Ad Hoc Committee proposal was
    voted on in the resolution.
    Date 29 November 1947
    Meeting no. 128
    Code A/RES/181(II) (Document)
    Voting summary
    33 voted for
    13 voted against
    10 abstained
    Result Adopted
    The United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was a proposal by the
    United Nations, which recommended a partition of Mandatory Palestine at
    the end of the British Mandate. On 29 November 1947, the UN General
    Assembly adopted the Plan as Resolution 181 (II).[1]

    The resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish
    States and a Special International Regime for the city of Jerusalem. The Partition Plan, a four-part document attached to the resolution,
    provided for the termination of the Mandate, the progressive withdrawal
    of British armed forces and the delineation of boundaries between the
    two States and Jerusalem. Part I of the Plan stipulated that the Mandate
    would be terminated as soon as possible and the United Kingdom would
    withdraw no later than 1 August 1948. The new states would come into
    existence two months after the withdrawal, but no later than 1 October
    1948. The Plan sought to address the conflicting objectives and claims
    of two competing movements, Palestinian nationalism and Jewish
    nationalism, or Zionism.[2][3] The Plan also called for Economic Union
    between the proposed states, and for the protection of religious and
    minority rights.[4] While Jewish organizations collaborated with UNSCOP
    during the deliberations, the Palestinian Arab leadership boycotted it.[5]

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