Had Digital Research, the company CP/M
creator Gary Kildall set up to sell CP/M, accepted the deal with IBM
to make CP/M the default operating system for the then newly-created
IBM PC, we'd be living in a very different world today.
"internetado" <internetado@fanless.alt119.net> writes:
Had Digital Research, the company CP/M
creator Gary Kildall set up to sell CP/M, accepted the deal with IBM
to make CP/M the default operating system for the then newly-created
IBM PC, we'd be living in a very different world today.
CP/M was reimplemented by Seattle Computer Products as "Quick and Dirty >Operation System"[0] and later Microsoft bought it and stripped the
"Quick and" and kept DOS as name. Shouldn't that once and forever
explain how to read the "D" of "DOS"? o;-)
I used CP/M-Z80 for a while and when MSDOS appeared, I avoided it for a
long time, but when I finally had to do some stuff on it, I immediately
felt kind of at home due to the similar structure of the OS function
calls. That felt strange. Maybe even a bit shady.
yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
"internetado" <internetado@fanless.alt119.net> writes:
Had Digital Research, the company CP/M creator Gary Kildall set up to
sell CP/M, accepted the deal with IBM to make CP/M the default
operating system for the then newly-created IBM PC, we'd be living in
a very different world today.
You could get CP/M-86 with the PC for a small fee, or PC-DOS for free,
Digital Research would also create several other popular and/or
influential software products beyond CP/M, such as DR DOS and GEM, as
well as various other DOS variants and CP/M versions with DOS
compatibility. It would eventually be acquired by Novell, where it
faded into obscurity.
https://www.osnews.com/story/140419/50-years-ago-cp-m-started-the-microcomputer-revolution/
Nobody ever mentions GEM! I used Ventura Publisher under GEM -- an
expensive and unweildy piece of software which produced excellent
results once you beat it into submission and never tried to make it do >anything it really didn't want to do.
I didn't know that GEM was a Kildall thing. Novell seemed to be as good
at killing things as Microsoft is at stealing them.
GEM (for Graphics Environment Manager[2]) is a discontinued operating >environment released by Digital Research in 1985. GEM is known primarily[end quote]
as the native graphical user interface of the Atari ST series of computers, >providing a WIMP desktop. It was also available for IBM PC compatibles
[3][4] and shipped with some models from Amstrad. GEM is used as the core
for some commercial MS-DOS programs, the most notable being Ventura >Publisher. It was ported to other computers that previously lacked
graphical interfaces, but never gained traction. The final retail version
of GEM was released in 1988.
Digital Research later produced X/GEM for their FlexOS[3][5] real-time >operating system with adaptations for OS/2 Presentation Manager[6][3] and
the X Window System under preparation as well.[3]
Xerox Ventura Publisher 4.1 For WindowsXerox Ventura Publisher 4.1 for Windows (4.1) (1992-10) [English] (3.5''-1.44MB).zip
by Xerox
Publication date 1992
Topics Xerox, Ventura, Publisher, Corel
Language English
Xerox Ventura Publisher 4.1 For Windows ( 4.1) ( 1992 10) [ English]
( 3.5'' 1.44 MB)
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As I recall, when you executed Ventura (from a floppy, of course) it
first brought up GEM. That was the only time I ever saw it. I used VP first in 1988 or 89, and then at a different job in 1991. Before
Windows 3.0 in 1990, according to Gemini. Must have been MSDOS...
but i did use ventura publisher extensively back in the day . . .
(using Tor Browser 13.5.2)
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Xerox Ventura Publisher 4.1 For Windows
by Xerox
Publication date 1992 ...
As I recall, when you executed Ventura (from a floppy, of course) it
first brought up GEM. That was the only time I ever saw it. I used VP
first in 1988 or 89, and then at a different job in 1991. Before
Windows 3.0 in 1990, according to Gemini. Must have been MSDOS...
WordStar 3.00("WordStar 3.00 for CPM-80 (files).7z" ; 188 KB / 192,512 bytes)
WordStar, originally from MicroPro, was a popular word processor during the >early 80s. It was ported to a number of CP/M architectures as well as Unix >and PC/MS-DOS. It competed directly against many word processors, including >WordPerfect, Microsoft Word for DOS, and Multimate. By the late 80s most >business word processing had moved to WordPerfect. In the early 90s, Microsoft >Word for Windows took over.
Also see a history of WordStar: A Potted History of WordStar and some earlier >0.x versions at The WordStar Collection
Wanted: Pre-1.0 versions were sold publicly. WordStar 0.87 redump, WordStar >0.89, WordStar 0.91, WordStar 0.92, (Google results indicate these existed) >WordStar 1.0. Early WordStar 2.0 releases were reported to be copy protected. >Available releases
0.x/1.x
2.x
3.00 (current)
3.30
for PCjr
2000
4.0
1512
5.0
COLT
5.5
6
1.5 for Windows
7
2.0 for Windows
Release notes
Wanted: Wordstar 3.00 for PC/MS-DOS. Reportedly 3.0 was the first version available for DOS.
Information
Product type
Application Word Processor
Vendor
MicroPro
Release date
1982
Minimum CPU
Z80
User interface
Text
Platform
CPM
Download count
35 (1 for release)
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WordStar 3.00 for CPM Manuals 3.00 for CPM English [Z80] 17.19MB 1
WordStar 3.00 for CPM-80 (files) 3.00 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 189.76KB 0
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WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 (1982) (5.25-DSQD) 3.01 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 11.05MB 0("WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 (1982) (5.25-DSQD).7z" ; 10.5 MB / 11,055,104 bytes)
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WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 Manuals (1982) 3.01 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 145.37MB 0WordPerfect 5.1 (11-06-89) (5.25).7z / 3.98 MB, extracted folder . . . WordPerfect 5.1 (11-06-89) (5.25) / 5.74 MB / 15 Files, 0 Folders D1_Install1.img
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by WordPerfect
Publication date 1989-11-06
Usage Public Domain Mark 1.0 Creative Commons License publicdomain
Topics WordPerfect, MS-DOS, Word Perfect, WordPerfect 5.1, Word Perfect 5.1, DOS
Language English
WordPerfect 5.1 for MS-DOS (11-06-89) (5.25 inch floppy)
WordPerfect 5.1 for MS-DOS was first released on November 6, 1989. It was followed
by numerous minor 5.1 updates, indicated by the file date stamps.
This was the most popular and widely used version of the WordPerfect product. >WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS adds drop-down menus, context sensitive help, tables, an
equation editor, and spreadsheet handling.
A stripped-down lightweight version of WordPerfect 5.1 was sold as LetterPerfect.
The program was originally developed under contract at Brigham Young University
for use on a Data General minicomputer in 1979. The authors retained the rights to
the program, forming Satellite Systems International (SSI) to sell it under the
name WordPerfect in 1980. A port to MS-DOS followed in 1982 and several greatly
updated versions quickly followed. The application's feature list was considerably
more advanced than contemporary MS-DOS applications like WordStar, and it rapidly
displaced most other systems, especially after the 4.2 release in 1986. By release
5.1 in 1989, WordPerfect had become a standard in the MS-DOS market. >Addeddate 2017-03-12 19:10:38
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Publication date 1993-04
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WordPerfect 5.2 For Windows ( 5.2) ( 1993 04) [ English] ( 3.5'' 1.44 MB)
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I didn't know that GEM was a Kildall thing. Novell seemed to be as good
at killing things as Microsoft is at stealing them.
Shouldn't that once and forever explain how to read the "D" of "DOS"?
A curious WP thing: I temped for some title insurance people for a few weeks. They had a system where knowledgeable people would fill in
(pencil) a template with codes indicating various descriptions etc. for
the drones to type in. After a while I (a drone) realized that the
whole system was done with Word Perfect macro codes, a pretty slick application.
On 8/13/24 2:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:40:55 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
A curious WP thing: I temped for some title insurance people for a
few weeks. They had a system where knowledgeable people would fill in
(pencil) a template with codes indicating various descriptions etc.
for the drones to type in. After a while I (a drone) realized that
the whole system was done with Word Perfect macro codes, a pretty
slick application.
So they were reinventing the kind of thing that typesetting markup
systems (troff/groff, TEX, SGML) have been doing for decades.
Possibly, but these were generating legal documents with a lot of
legalisms of various sorts and combinations, not just making pretty documents.
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 21:47:14 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
On 8/13/24 2:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:40:55 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
A curious WP thing: I temped for some title insurance people for a
few weeks. They had a system where knowledgeable people would fill in
(pencil) a template with codes indicating various descriptions etc.
for the drones to type in. After a while I (a drone) realized that
the whole system was done with Word Perfect macro codes, a pretty
slick application.
So they were reinventing the kind of thing that typesetting markup
systems (troff/groff, TEX, SGML) have been doing for decades.
Possibly, but these were generating legal documents with a lot of
legalisms of various sorts and combinations, not just making pretty
documents.
One of the groundbreaking features of troff was its ability to do line numbering -- rather important in legal documents such as patent
applications.
That was likely crucial in getting the Bell Labs crew the funding from the higher-ups at AT&T to develop Unix.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 21:47:14 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
On 8/13/24 2:51 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:40:55 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
A curious WP thing: I temped for some title insurance people for a
few weeks. They had a system where knowledgeable people would fill in >>>>> (pencil) a template with codes indicating various descriptions etc.
for the drones to type in. After a while I (a drone) realized that
the whole system was done with Word Perfect macro codes, a pretty
slick application.
So they were reinventing the kind of thing that typesetting markup
systems (troff/groff, TEX, SGML) have been doing for decades.
Possibly, but these were generating legal documents with a lot of
legalisms of various sorts and combinations, not just making pretty
documents.
One of the groundbreaking features of troff was its ability to do line
numbering -- rather important in legal documents such as patent
applications.
That was likely crucial in getting the Bell Labs crew the funding from the >> higher-ups at AT&T to develop Unix.
Thanks for sharing that. Can you give me a historical reference about
that? I'd like to read it. Thank you!
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