• How do people live with MS Windows ????

    From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 16 20:32:40 2024
    Tonight I borrowed ny wife's MS Windows 10 home Laptop to take to a
    meeting where I was to give a presentation. I'd logged in to my account
    at home and it ll appeared to be working fine - there was the usual odd
    pause etcwhich I assumed was the usual updates because I'd not logged in
    for a week or so.

    At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
    "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
    it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).

    So how do people put up with this? I'm assuming that in business with
    Windoes Pro or whateever, this can be controlled so updates don't
    interrupt important events. Can it be controlled on the home edition?

    I don't use MS Windows on my desktop so don't have this sort of thing
    to deal with normally.

    Is there any way of taming MS windows updates?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Thu May 16 21:37:56 2024
    Jim Jackson wrote:

    At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
    "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
    it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).

    So how do people put up with this?

    Before setting up for a presentation you can pause updates (for 1-5 weeks)

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu May 16 21:12:15 2024
    On 2024-05-16, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Jim Jackson wrote:

    At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
    "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
    it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).

    So how do people put up with this?

    Before setting up for a presentation you can pause updates (for 1-5 weeks)


    Ah news to me - I will google it.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu May 16 23:00:12 2024
    On Thu, 16 May 2024 21:37:56 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

    Jim Jackson wrote:

    At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
    "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
    it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).

    Before setting up for a presentation you can pause updates (for 1-5
    weeks)

    You have to remember to do that before it actually starts doing the
    updates.

    This is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth
    nothing.

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  • From David LaRue@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Thu May 16 23:55:54 2024
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote in
    news:slrnv4crb8.74q.jj@iridium.wf32df:


    Tonight I borrowed ny wife's MS Windows 10 home Laptop to take to a
    meeting where I was to give a presentation. I'd logged in to my account
    at home and it ll appeared to be working fine - there was the usual odd
    pause etcwhich I assumed was the usual updates because I'd not logged in
    for a week or so.

    At the venue, as soon as I switrched on the laptop it went in the
    "updating do not switch off" thingy. 15 minutes later it's still doing
    it so my presentation has to be abandonned (end of meeting time).

    So how do people put up with this? I'm assuming that in business with
    Windoes Pro or whateever, this can be controlled so updates don't
    interrupt important events. Can it be controlled on the home edition?

    I don't use MS Windows on my desktop so don't have this sort of thing
    to deal with normally.

    Is there any way of taming MS windows updates?

    Windows ?? Pro or higher usually allows the user to delay an impending update for a day or so. The typical Win ?? User version does what it wants when it wants to.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Fri May 17 03:31:38 2024
    On Thu, 16 May 2024 19:50:05 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    That's the nice thing about old versions -- NO MORE UPDATES!

    Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to obsolete,
    unsupported software?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to David LaRue on Fri May 17 06:14:55 2024
    David LaRue wrote:

    Windows ?? Pro or higher usually allows the user to delay an impending update

    Home didn't used to allow it, but does now (actually I don't know what
    10 allows now, as all my machines are 11, O/P will need to check for
    himself).

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Fri May 17 06:12:32 2024
    Jim Jackson wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    you can pause updates (for 1-5 weeks)

    Ah news to me - I will google it.

    Start/Settings/WindowsUpdate/PauseUpdates

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 17 09:25:32 2024
    On 17.05.2024 um 00:16 Uhr The Real Bev wrote:

    On 5/16/24 8:31 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Thu, 16 May 2024 19:50:05 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    That's the nice thing about old versions -- NO MORE UPDATES!

    Would you entrust mission-critical business operations to obsolete, unsupported software?

    No idea. Fortunately, I don't have to.

    In most cases, it is a really bad idea, because everything that is
    connected to a network (almost all machines are) might be attacked.
    Attackers love systems with outdated software, because old bugs still
    exist there and finding exploits will be easy.

    Another bad thing about old software is that it often runs on old
    hardware only. That means you need to have working spare parts in your
    stock and that will be hard to find after decades.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1715897772muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Fri May 17 07:51:40 2024
    On Fri, 17 May 2024 09:25:32 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

    Another bad thing about old software is that it often runs on old
    hardware only. That means you need to have working spare parts in your
    stock and that will be hard to find after decades.

    Some people like to tout the excuse “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. The
    potential trouble with that is, if/when it does finally break, they are
    liable to discover they have no idea how to fix it.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Fri May 17 07:50:21 2024
    On Fri, 17 May 2024 00:16:12 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

    BTW, did you know that the Voyagers are run on FORTRAN?

    A language which is still being developed and supported.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 17 10:33:12 2024
    On 17.05.2024 um 07:51 Uhr Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    On Fri, 17 May 2024 09:25:32 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

    Another bad thing about old software is that it often runs on old
    hardware only. That means you need to have working spare parts in
    your stock and that will be hard to find after decades.

    Some people like to tout the excuse “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. The potential trouble with that is, if/when it does finally
    break, they are liable to discover they have no idea how to fix it.

    The main problem with that is that often the people who set it up
    initially aren't working there anymore. Or spare parts are not
    available anymore, especially servers often need special parts from the manufacturer and refuse to work with stuff from others. Just think
    about the bullshit with SFP modules.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1715925100muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Fri May 17 10:10:35 2024
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote or quoted:
    So how do people put up with this? I'm assuming that in business with
    Windoes Pro or whateever, this can be controlled so updates don't
    interrupt important events. Can it be controlled on the home edition?

    I've worked in educational institutions with Windows 10 PCs, and
    sometimes the admins there had them rigged so updates didn't get
    slapped on right after starting Windows, but only when ending
    a session. If I'm not mistaken, there'd sometimes be a roughly
    5-minute delay after firing up Windows too, but if the whole
    gig lasted several hours, that time was no skin off my back.

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Fri May 17 10:49:02 2024
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
    I've worked in educational institutions with Windows 10 PCs, and
    sometimes the admins there had them rigged so updates didn't get
    slapped on right after starting Windows, but only when ending
    a session. If I'm not mistaken, there'd sometimes be a roughly
    5-minute delay after firing up Windows too, but if the whole
    gig lasted several hours, that time was no skin off my back.

    Way I remember it, when wrapping up a sesh, Windows 10 would
    fetch data over the internet, which can take a hot minute.
    But there were some things that could only get the green light
    after a reboot. Those would run on the next startup, but didn't
    usually drag on too long since they didn't need to haul in data
    remotely. More often than not, they'd only set you back a couple
    minutes. That said, I could see that process hitting the skids if
    a ton of updates piled up or you were working with a sluggish rig.

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  • From mm0fmf@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Mon May 20 22:19:22 2024
    On 16/05/2024 21:32, Jim Jackson wrote:
    So how do people put up with this?

    They're smart enough to know how the OS works and handles its updates so
    this doesn't happen. i.e. they update well before they intend to present
    or they disable updates temporarily before presenting or they make sure
    they don't go online before presenting.

    Just because you are clueless about the OS doesn't mean everyone else is.

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to none@invalid.com on Tue May 21 15:33:29 2024
    On 2024-05-20, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 16/05/2024 21:32, Jim Jackson wrote:
    So how do people put up with this?

    They're smart enough to know how the OS works and handles its updates so
    this doesn't happen. i.e. they update well before they intend to present
    or they disable updates temporarily before presenting or they make sure
    they don't go online before presenting.

    Just because you are clueless about the OS doesn't mean everyone else is.

    :-) point taken. BUT, as I understand it, the ability to prevent
    updates for a period is a (comparatively) recent introduction.

    The fact that one can prevent updates for a period came as news to many
    MS Windows users I've chatted to about this with, some of them pretty au
    fait the OS. So it appears that there are a LOT of us "dumbos" out there.

    I have always understood that for the home edition the machine updated
    when it needed to - so how do you force it to update earlier as you say
    above?

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Tue May 21 15:57:00 2024
    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote or quoted:
    How do people live with MS Windows ????

    People with MS Windows can live fulfilling lives by managing
    their symptoms and making lifestyle adjustments.

    Update-modifying therapies (UMTs) can slow Windows progression
    by modulating the Microsoft Windows Updates, so that people
    can enjoy extended periods of Windows 7 before stages like
    Windows 10, or even 11.

    Taking walks away from the MS Windows computer helps manage
    specific symptoms like pain and fatigue.

    Steroids can help reduce inflammation while working with the
    actual Windows software and Windows application programs.

    Physiotherapy helps improve functions lost after extended
    MS Windows sessions and manage any possible disabilities.

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Tue May 21 15:19:40 2024
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

    Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote or quoted:

    How do people live with MS Windows ????

    People with MS Windows can live fulfilling lives by managing
    their symptoms and making lifestyle adjustments.

    Update-modifying therapies (UMTs) can slow Windows progression
    by modulating the Microsoft Windows Updates, so that people
    can enjoy extended periods of Windows 7 before stages like
    Windows 10, or even 11.

    Taking walks away from the MS Windows computer helps manage
    specific symptoms like pain and fatigue.

    Steroids can help reduce inflammation while working with the
    actual Windows software and Windows application programs.

    Physiotherapy helps improve functions lost after extended
    MS Windows sessions and manage any possible disabilities.

    ()()()

    Just so. The prospect of a radical OS transplant is pretty scary.


    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From mm0fmf@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Thu May 23 16:54:59 2024
    On 21/05/2024 16:33, Jim Jackson wrote:
    some of them pretty au
    fait the OS

    No they're not au fait at all. If they were au fait they would know this
    and many other things people moan about and how to deal with it.

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  • From Jim Jackson@21:1/5 to none@invalid.com on Fri May 24 20:32:41 2024
    On 2024-05-23, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 21/05/2024 16:33, Jim Jackson wrote:
    some of them pretty au
    fait the OS

    No they're not au fait at all. If they were au fait they would know this
    and many other things people moan about and how to deal with it.


    Ah! so you aren't going to be at all helpfull. I did ask for help and
    you clipped that bit. I think I have your measure.

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  • From mm0fmf@21:1/5 to Jim Jackson on Sat May 25 16:46:05 2024
    On 24/05/2024 21:32, Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2024-05-23, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 21/05/2024 16:33, Jim Jackson wrote:
    some of them pretty au
    fait the OS

    No they're not au fait at all. If they were au fait they would know this
    and many other things people moan about and how to deal with it.


    Ah! so you aren't going to be at all helpfull. I did ask for help and
    you clipped that bit. I think I have your measure.

    You're right, I missed that bit.

    You can pause updates for 7 days on the Update page. Or you can go to
    advanced options and pause it until a certain date. I'm not sure
    (because I don't use this option) that there are some updates of such importance that the pause until option can be overridden.

    This Windows machine is set to check for updates but prompt to install
    them. That means it wants me to manually start the update. This is not
    the default. There are assorted ways of doing this, I used the group
    policy editor to change the option.

    Now most of my presentations etc. done at work are done on a works
    laptop where my employer's IT group are in charge of the updates. All
    the updates that involve possible reboots or restarting key apps pop up
    a warning saying updates need to be installed etc. and I have to OK that
    or I can delay it for 1hr or 4hrs before being prompted again. This is
    not typical of domestic environments. Non-work presentations are now
    normally done on a Linux laptop. I use both Linux and Windows (and run
    the same browser/email/tools on both OS). Sometimes I have used a Win
    laptop for non-work presentations normally because I need to demo a
    Windows only program and normally follow the following plan.

    1. Go to Update and check for outstanding updates.
    2. Install them.
    3. Reboot as required.
    4. Check for updates again. Repeat till none.
    5. Pause updates for 7 days.

    That's normally enough and is done a few hours before the presentation.
    Present then enable updates after it's done. I tend to disable
    networking so there are no email received or instant message received
    messages. It also stops some apps which I have set to check for updates
    but prompt to install from popping up.

    It really isn't hard. You are going to present using WonderWindows (tm)
    so you do what's needed to stop Windows fannying about for the length of
    the presentation.

    What's that old saying a teacher of mine used to say 45 years
    ago..."Fail to prepare? Then prepare to fail!"

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Sat Jun 15 12:21:35 2024
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
    I've worked in educational institutions with Windows 10 PCs, and
    sometimes the admins there had them rigged so updates didn't get
    slapped on right after starting Windows, but only when ending
    a session. If I'm not mistaken, there'd sometimes be a roughly
    5-minute delay after firing up Windows too, but if the whole
    gig lasted several hours, that time was no skin off my back.

    I just stumbled upon a photo of a note that the computer admin had
    left in a classroom in 2013. This pic totally backs up my memory.
    I'm gonna go ahead and quote the translated text from the photo:

    |Please Note!
    |
    |When shutting down the PCs, updates may potentially be installed!
    |
    |Turn off the main power switch only after the PCs have
    |powered down themselves. If it takes a long time, leave the
    |main power switch on! (Administrator's initials)

    , In the original German:

    |Bitte beachten!
    |
    |Beim Herunterfahren der PCs können eventuell Updates
    |installiert werden!
    |
    |Hauptschalter erst ausschalten, wenn sich PCs selbst
    |herunterfahren. Wenn es lange dauert, Hauptschalter
    |eingeschaltet lassen! (Namenskürzel des Administrators)

    .

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  • From Anton Shepelev@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 16 00:19:07 2024
    Jim Jackson:

    How do people live with MS Windows ????

    They don't. They drag a miserable existence.
    (Sorry, I couldn't help it)

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