• The Men Who Killed Google

    From Eli the Bearded@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 05:31:21 2024
    Making the rounds on Mastodon and an interesting investigation into the
    last five years of Google Search.

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

    Prabhakar Rabhavan does not emerge from this story looking good.

    Elijah
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    Google's purchase of Doubleclick was probably the real start of the end

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  • From John McCue@21:1/5 to Eli the Bearded on Wed Apr 24 13:38:36 2024
    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    Making the rounds on Mastodon and an interesting investigation into the
    last five years of Google Search.

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

    Prabhakar Rabhavan does not emerge from this story looking good.

    A very interesting article and worth a read. Seems the timeline
    presented in the article matches with my slow move away from
    google. Now I am 90% DuckDuckgo and I do not even use my
    gmail address any more.

    Some quotes:

    Raghavan -- a manager, hired by Sundar Pichai, a former
    McKinsey man and a manager by trade -- is an example of
    everything wrong with the tech industry

    "management" is synonymous with "staying as far away
    from actual work as possible

    And that is my experience I have had with working in tech for
    decades. No matter the tech company, Ivy League MBAs or people
    like them, eventually take over and drive the company into
    the ground. But they make Wall Street very happy, thus
    themselves and upper management with increased bonuses.

    The only difference between the Companies is how long it will
    take and maybe, if someone at the top realizes what is happening,
    make changes instead of watching their bank account grow.


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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to snipeco.2@gmail.com on Wed Apr 24 14:30:09 2024
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 14:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    Making the rounds on Mastodon and an interesting investigation into the
    last five years of Google Search.

    <https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/>

    Prabhakar Rabhavan does not emerge from this story looking good.

    Elijah
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    Google's purchase of Doubleclick was probably the real start of the end


    Thanks, Elijah, that's very interesting; it's quite a hatchet job.


    It was interesting. What's a hatchet job? I don't think I've heard that expression before.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to snipeco.2@gmail.com on Wed Apr 24 15:00:13 2024
    Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 14:47 this Wednesday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
    wrote:
    [snip]
    It was interesting. What's a hatchet job? I don't think I've heard that
    expression before.


    More or less, it's character assassination (not that I have any reason
    to doubt the veracity of the report).

    OED (Apple edition):

    hatchet job
    noun informal
    a fierce written attack on someone or their work:
    she does hatchet jobs, not reviews.

    character assassination
    noun [mass noun]
    the malicious and unjustified harming of a person's good reputation:
    all too often they discredit themselves by engaging in character assassination.


    Oh, thanks.
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  • From Ben Collver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 24 16:00:59 2024
    Interesting article!

    "Don't be Google"

    Here's another:

    <https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/23/headlines/ google_fires_another_20_employees_in_retaliation_for_project_nimbus_protest>

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Ben Collver on Wed Apr 24 16:40:08 2024
    Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote at 16:00 this Wednesday (GMT):
    Interesting article!

    "Don't be Google"

    I'll try not to :)

    Here's another:

    <https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/23/headlines/
    google_fires_another_20_employees_in_retaliation_for_project_nimbus_protest>


    Thanks for the cool reads!
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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to John McCue on Wed Apr 24 16:47:36 2024
    John McCue <jmccue@neutron.jmcunx.com> writes:

    Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

    https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

    Prabhakar Rabhavan does not emerge from this story looking good.

    A very interesting article and worth a read. [snip]

    Some quotes:

    [snip]

    "management" is synonymous with "staying as far away
    from actual work as possible"...

    And that is my experience I have had with working in tech for
    decades. No matter the tech company, Ivy League MBAs or people
    like them, eventually take over and drive the company into
    the ground. But they make Wall Street very happy, thus
    themselves and upper management with increased bonuses.

    A possibly interesting relevant anecdote:

    Over the late 80s and early 90s, I worked, very casually and
    intermittently, with a humanities prof at MIT who ran a special
    program for a selected group of 30 or 40 of each year's frosh.

    He once remarked, with some surprise, that many of those 1st year
    students in the program had told him that they were only at MIT and
    only in a STEM major because they'd learned they were very good at the technical stuff and saw that innate ability as an entry to corporate
    success. But the had no desire or intent to pursue science/tech as a
    career. Once having obtained a career foothold, they wanted to segue
    to management at the earliest opportunity.

    The only difference between the Companies is how long it will
    take and maybe, if someone at the top realizes what is happening,
    make changes instead of watching their bank account grow.

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    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From v55@21:1/5 to Mike Spencer on Wed May 1 10:20:30 2024
    On 4/24/2024 3:47:39 PM, Mike Spencer wrote:
    A possibly interesting relevant anecdote:

    Over the late 80s and early 90s, I worked, very casually and
    intermittently, with a humanities prof at MIT who ran a special
    program for a selected group of 30 or 40 of each year's frosh.

    He once remarked, with some surprise, that many of those 1st year
    students in the program had told him that they were only at MIT and
    only in a STEM major because they'd learned they were very good at the technical stuff and saw that innate ability as an entry to corporate
    success. But the had no desire or intent to pursue science/tech as a
    career. Once having obtained a career foothold, they wanted to segue
    to management at the earliest opportunity.

    The only difference between the Companies is how long it will
    take and maybe, if someone at the top realizes what is happening,
    make changes instead of watching their bank account grow.


    In a depressing irony, this makes sense...and the initial article proves why. Ben Gomes lost his job, Prabhakar Raghavan got it. Being good in a STEM field is how you *get* a job. Being well-connected in a management position is how you *keep* a job. If 'making an internet search engine successfully search
    the internet' isn't a justifiable reason to continue employing someone at a company who's job is to enable people to search the internet, then nothing
    is.

    Moreover, it's got to be extremely difficult to take that skillset elsewhere. I'm sure Microsoft would, theoretically, *love* to have Gomes on their
    payroll, but that seems messy. Splunk/Cisco and ElasticSearch might be alternatives, but there's definitely tradeoffs involved.

    Getting into management, however, is far safer, and again, the article proves it. Raghavan had few successes, if any, and still managed to fail upward throughout his career. Management allows you to do that, STEM does not.

    Ultimately, STEM is a magnet for two types of folks: those who see it as a calling (i.e. want to make the world a better place at the cost of self sacrifice), and those who see it as a road to wealth (i.e. the ones who want
    to make money, period). That the second path is visible in the provided anecdote, rather than the first by itself, makes perfect sense.

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