• Re: A Letter from the DC Gulag

    From 98.6%@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 6 07:32:56 2021
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    On 11/5/2021 8:45 PM, A Voice in the Wilderness? wrote:
    https://dailystormer.su/a-letter-from-the-dc-gulag/

    A Letter from the DC Gulag

    Andrew Anglin
    November 4, 2021

    The following letter from 1/6 protester and political prisoner Nathaniel DeGrave, a podcaster who entered the Capitol, was published last week.
    In it, DeGrave outlines the conditions of the jail, describing inhumane conditions which amount to torture.




    You mean criminal don't you? Sure he was trying to ride
    his motorcycle into the Capital building, ya right.

    Since when do 'peaceful' protesters show up with
    ..."but the government alleges they with knives,
    walkie-talkies and protective gear including
    gas masks, helmets and protective body armor."


    You should read the whole thing.

    NO YOU SHOULD READ EVERYTHING....


    "But security footage obtained by investigators showed DeGrave
    and other men forcibly pushing officers guarding Capitol doors
    to make their way inside, prosecutors said.

    In January 6 pictures of DeGrave, he can be seen wearing
    what investigators said was tactical gear, but he told
    I-Team that he was simply wearing a motorcycle vest. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10126725/Jailed-January-6-rioter-32-says-hes-considering-running-MAYOR-Las-Vegas-2024.html


    DEGRAVE, Nathaniel J. (aka, Nathan DeGrave)
    Case Number:
    1:21-cr-90
    Charge(s):

    Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Grounds or Buildings;

    Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers;

    Civil Disorder; Obstruction of an Official Proceeding;

    Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds;

    Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building
    or Grounds;

    Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building;

    Impeding Passage Through the Capitol Grounds or Buildings;

    Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/defendants/degrave-nathaniel-j-aka-nathan-degrave


    U.S. District Judge Dabney Friedrich arraigned both men on crimes
    that could put them in prison for decades. They remain in
    federal custody pending a court date Oct. 21.

    Both men now face 12 counts including obstruction of an
    official proceeding; assaulting, resisting or impeding
    Capitol police officers; civil disorder; and entering
    and remaining in a restricted building or grounds.

    The court filing refers to six Capitol police officers, using
    their initials, as victims of actions by Sandlin and DeGrave.

    On the day of the violence, Sandlin, DeGrave and Colt allegedly met in a
    hotel room in Maryland and recorded social media video in which Colt
    mused about whether they should carry guns. They didn’t, but the
    government alleges they went to the Capitol with knives, walkie-talkies
    and protective gear including gas masks, helmets and protective body armor.

    DeGrave was accused of pushing officers guarding the Capitol Rotunda. Prosecutors alleged he recorded a video in which he declared: “This is
    what separates us true patriots from everyone else who is all talk ...
    we out here taking action.”

    Sandlin was allegedly seen on video fighting with police and apparently
    smoking marijuana inside the Rotunda.

    The three men allegedly reached a gallery balcony overlooking the Senate chamber, where Colt climbed down and sat in a chair reserved for the
    vice president while DeGrave allegedly shouted for people to “take
    laptops, paperwork, take everything.” https://lasvegassun.com/news/2021/sep/28/us-amends-capitol-siege-charges-against-2-arrested/


    F'ing violent criminals trying to overthrow American democracy
    are your heroes, that speaks volumes.

    Maybe you should defend BLM protesters as political prisoners
    that were looting and attacking police while you're at it too?




    You should read the whole thing.

    Dear Fellow Americans -

    I never thought I'd write a letter like this, but we're living in very
    different times. This is my cry for help.

    My name is Nathan DeGrave, and as a non violent participant at the Jan
    6th rally, I've spent the last 9 months detained as a political prisoner
    in pod C2B at the DC DOC...otherwise known as DC's Gitmo.

    The conditions here for Jan 6ers have been inhumane. In fact, some
    inmates are even begging to be transferred to GUANTANAMO BAY, where even
    THEY have more acceptable standards.

    Class action LAWSUITS are being filed against this prison; and even the
    ACLU has gotten involved. Senators Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene
    have since attempted to gain access to this facility and inspect the
    conditions of the jail, only to be denied.

    The vile filth of what has become our daily life is being illegally
    HIDDEN from the members of OUR OWN CONGRESS.

    So...let me tell you about what me and many of the other Jan 6ers have
    been experiencing in DC's Gitmo. It is my hope that with MEDIA EXPOSURE
    and the awareness of the American public, that SOMETHING may be done and
    this never happens to anyone ever again.

    OUR CONDITIONS

    For the first 120 days in DC's Gitmo, Jan 6ers experienced DAILY
    LOCKDOWNS for 23-24 HOURS before being allowed to leave our small 120
    sq. ft cell. The PHYSICAL and MENTAL ANGUISH that results from this kind
    of SEVERE ISOLATION has caused many people to go on a RAPID mental
    decline.

    As a result, a large percentage of us are HEAVILY MEDICATED with
    anti-anxiety and anti-depressant drugs, which helps to cope with the
    psychological and mental ABUSE we endure.

    Many times, the little rec we DO receive is STRIPPED AWAY if our cell
    isn't up to the standards of the guard on duty. This changes from day to
    day. Jan 6ers have lost rec time and out of cell activity ANY TIME news
    interviews about the jail are aired on TV, people speak up about our
    conditions, or rallies are held in our name. We'll probably have a
    lockdown upon the publishing of this letter. So I have already warned
    those I know in advance..

    Masks are WEAPONIZED and used against us, even though we NEVER leave the
    facility. Officers have walked in with the SOLE INTENTION of needing to
    write 20-30 disciplinary reports against Jan 6ers, which adversely
    effects our chances of release and causes loss of privileges, phone time
    and commissary. Masks need to be covering both the nose and mouth AT ALL
    TIMES or we are threatened and locked down in our cells. Jan 6ers are
    always respectful to the employees around us, but C.Os maintain the need
    to invent reasons for discipline.

    PRIVILEGED LEGAL DOCUMENTS have been CONFISCATED and gone missing from
    various cells, and HIGHLY SENSITIVE discovery (video evidence under
    attorney/client privilege) is watched by employees during our legal
    calls.

    Jordan Mink, for example, had all discovery TAKEN by ERT officers on
    August 23rd despite the objection of his attorney. They handcuffed him,
    searched his room, and then proceeded to take all video evidence in his
    possession. Additionally, legal visits take 2-3 WEEKS or more to be
    scheduled, leaving little time to discuss our defense and prepare for
    trial.

    The EXTREME medical neglect in this facility has caused a variety of
    adverse illnesses and disease. Some show signs of scurvy. And some even
    have Covid like symptoms, but medical personnel have refused to treat
    it.

    Christopher Worrell, for example, is an inmate with Cancer, who also
    broke his hand in prison and requires surgery. Both have been completely
    ignored. Federal judge Royce Lamberth got to the point where on October
    12th, he filed contempt of court charges against the warden of the DC
    DOC, claiming that Worrell's civil rights have been violated, and
    demanding the U.S attorney general inquire further about his and other
    possible violations.

    Another inmate, Peter Stager, WAITED FOUR MONTHS to receive his CPAP
    breathing machine, and has needed an MRI since spring, which has also
    been ignored by staff.

    The harsh, unlivable conditions of our unit has caused health hazards
    that defy Department of Health regulations. And on at least five
    occasions, RAW SEWAGE has overflowed our unit, causing human fecal
    matter to flood the floors and rooms. That's also in addition to the
    MOLD on cell walls, as well as the rusty pipes, and DIRTY WATER that
    flows from these sinks. White rags TURN BROWN when exposed to the water
    from our faucets.

    We are undergoing SEVERE NUTRITIONAL DEFICIENCIES and STARVATION. For
    breakfast this morning, I received a tray of flavorless paste, two
    slices of bread, and a slice of bologna. Lunches usually consist of rice
    and beans, but we'll get cold chicken/beef patties if we are lucky. For
    dinner, we are sometimes fed a diet of cheese sandwiches, and bologna
    and cheese 4 to 5 times per week.

    Without commissary, people like myself are FORCED TO STARVE. I suffer
    from HEADACHES and NAUSEA on an almost REGULAR BASIS from the
    malnutrition and constant hunger I am subjected to. I have lost ALMOST
    15 POUNDS since I've been detained.

    Our rights to personal hygiene are also totally neglected. Razors are
    PROHIBITED, and inmates are forced to either go unshaved, and grow long
    beards, or use a razor free cream that BURNS and IRRITATES the skin. But
    many other jails have allowed the use of razors without incident.
    Haircuts are also PROHIBITED from unvaccinated inmates. For me, it's
    been nearly 9 months. I look VIRTUALLY UNRECOGNIZABLE in the condition
    I'm in. I fear even my family would not recognize me.

    Contact with the outside world, from legal visits to seeing loved ones
    is HIGHLY RESTRICTED. After in-person visits, legal or otherwise, we are
    forced to undergo humiliating STRIP SEARCHES, despite ALL visitors being
    thoroughly checked for contraband. If it's a legal visit, we are placed
    in a 14 day quarantine, with no out of cell time; EVEN IF your attorney
    is VACCINATED and tests NEGATIVE for Covid. Visits with friends or
    family members, for unvaccinated inmates, are NEVER ALLOWED.

    As a result, many people have skipped critical meetings with their
    council, and NEVER get an opportunity to see friends or family. VIDEO
    VISITATION, while available to the rest of the jail, is RESTRICTED in
    the Jan 6 pod. Mail is delayed for MONTHS, and phone calls are limited
    to a MAXIMUM of pre approved 12 numbers. If there's anyone else in our
    extended family or otherwise we'd like to call, we're pretty much out of
    luck.

    RELIGIOUS SERVICES, protected by the 1st amendment, are NOT provided to
    Jan 6ers. Neither are in person classes or other activities available to
    the rest of the jail. An inmate named Ryan Samsel, instead attempted to
    organize his own bible study inside the pod, until he was viciously
    BEATEN and LEFT FOR DEAD by correctional officers. He suffered a broken
    eye socket and brain damage as a result of the vicious attack. He's now
    permanently blind in one eye. On another occasion, Scott Fairlamb was
    confronted by an officer in the middle of the night, and his life was
    threatened, once the officer's body cam was disabled. Many, like myself,
    are afraid they could be the next victim.

    And last but not least, we experience racism from many guards on a daily
    basis, being the ONLY WHITE REPUBLICANS in the entire jail. The false
    narrative is has been passed around the jail and to corrections officers
    that we are "white supremacists" (we are NOT). The inmate population is
    predominantly black, so we are at risk being here because of this false
    narrative. The guards are mostly liberal migrants from Africa who have
    been conditioned to hate us, and hate America. Jan 6ers have been
    mocked, beaten and ridiculed by guards for singing the National Anthem.
    The Corrections Officers despise our politics and the love we have for
    this country. At one point, an officer even yelled "FUCK AMERICA!", and
    threatened to lock us down FOR A WEEK if we attempted to sing the
    National Anthem again.

    THE TRUTH ABOUT MY STORY

    Finally, I feel like I should touch briefly on the government and
    prosecutor's portrayal of who I am as a person.

    No, I am not a terrorist, extremist or any of the other names I've been
    called by the government. More than anything, I am a red blooded patriot
    and I love this country more than anything.

    I am being unfairly prosecuted and definitely overcharged. I never
    assaulted anyone, destroyed property, or stolen anything. I walked
    through wide open doors to enter the Capitol, along with my camera crew
    hoping to get the rally on video. I was never even armed at any point
    inside the Capitol.

    Our goal was to make a documentary, and get likes and shares on social
    media. Yes I wore a costume (that the prosecutor refers to as
    paramilitary gear and body armor) but it was for the movie and was
    nothing of the sort.

    And yet, 9 months later here I sit, with 10 years worth of charges and
    no hope for a future. The surveillance footage shows absolutely no signs
    of assault, and despite attempts by media companies to get it released
    to the public, the government has denied it.

    I think that's because they are fully aware that this footage is
    questionable at worst, and exonerates me at best. Please don't be fooled
    by the media. I am a loving and peaceful person with no history of
    violence.

    This weaponized DOJ and their blatant resentment of my respect for
    President Donald Trump is putting me in a situation that makes me feel
    helpless in my current situation.

    HOW YOU CAN HELP

    Despite me and other Jan 6ers experiencing these unthinkable conditions,
    all of us remain POSITIVE and HOPEFUL that, in the end, JUSTICE WILL
    PREVAIL. We maintain a LOVE for this country and the Constitution like
    no other. The only thing keeping us going is our undying patriotism, the
    camaraderie between one another and our faith in God.

    Please...SHARE THIS LETTER with EVERYONE you know: friends and family,
    senators, representatives, political organizers, civil rights groups and
    media outlets.

    The truth HAS to get out. And the jail MUST PAY for what they are doing
    to this country's citizens.

    As a result of this unlawful detainment the last 9 months, I have lost
    everything. The successful business I spent 13 years of my life working
    on, my apartment in Las Vegas, social media accounts with a lifetime of
    memories...you name it.

    The government has essentially CANCELLED ME. Not only that, but
    following the arrest, my best friend of 12 years robbed my apartment,
    stole my cat, and hacked my personal Instagram with 100,000+ followers.

    Since then, I often go between feelings of hopefulness and moments of
    depression. I wonder if I can ever recover from this, but I have to
    remind myself to never give up.

    There are major medical complications I now struggle with as a result of
    the jail's neglect of my health since being here.

    If there is any way I hope to recover, my only hope are the ones who are
    reading this. I was on top of the world once upon a time, and that life
    seems now only like a distant memory.

    If there's anything you can do to help, I would appreciate anything at
    all. Inmates here are being extorted with lack of nutrition, forcing me
    to spend most of what's left on commissary which I can no longer afford.

    I need desperate help with my legal expenses and just help staying alive
    in here with commissary and all the expenses I still have on the outside
    as my livelihood and life has been stripped away from me. Thank you for
    any her you can afford, even if it is a few dollars it goes a long way
    in here.

    Sincerely and with love,

    Nathaniel DeGrave

    This is incredible, but hardly unbelievable.

    We've been hearing these stories for 11 months now. It's hardly
    different from what you'd expect. At least it's no different than what
    I'd expect. This system is evil and satanic, it is run by Jews who
    deputize the blacks in their sadistic agenda. So of course they're going
    to starve people, beat them, flood them with poop.

    It's amazing that the jail is staffed with African immigrants. They
    clearly came to the determination that black Americans might be too
    likely to feel sorry for the inmates, so they needed a foreign group to brutalize them. It's much, much easier to dehumanize people who you have
    zero cultural or linguistic connection to. This has been discussed a lot going all the way back to the old shortwave radio days before the
    internet in regards to the Democrats planning to send in UN
    peacekeepers, or at least staff the US military with non-Americans.

    With the censorship, not nearly enough people are talking about what is
    going on in DC. Donald Trump himself refused to talk about it for many
    months after the event. It doesn't really matter that he's talking about
    it some now, because no one hears anything he says.

    With Charlottesville, when they called people "white supremacists," mainstream Republicans apparently didn't think it applied to them. I'm
    not sure who they thought the Charlottesville demonstrators were, but
    they somehow managed to rationalize that they were different somehow.
    Four years later, after nonstop bombardment, every white person in
    America knows that "white supremacist" simply means "middle or working
    class white person." If normal Republicans knew what was happening in
    the DC jail, they would understand that this same treatment is planned
    for them, and they might start taking things a bit more seriously.

    Thankfully, Tucker Carlson is talking about it. On Wednesday, he had on Joseph McBride, a lawyer for several of the accused who has been vocal
    about the fact that this is a purely political prosecution, and these
    people are being tortured.

    After the above letter was published, a judge ordered the jail
    investigated. McBride says that the city sent in people to do a major
    cleanup job in 24 hours, painting the walls and fixing the water and
    food situation.

    Bizarrely, when the inspectors went to the regular DC jail, they said conditions were so bad that the prisoners have to be moved. But
    according to an article this week from the Washington Post, the special political prison is fine and not filled with poop, so the political
    prisoners will remain there.

    Never in American history have people been treated like this in America.
    The closest thing would be the Japanese being put in internment camps
    during World War II, but those were legitimate camps in California, not isolation cells.

    A normal person believes that no one would be this cruel. But the Jews
    will find people this cruel.

    Understand: the conditions described in this letter are only the
    beginning of the sadistic Jewish torture agenda. They are setting up concentration camps where much worse things will happen.

    You all need to take this seriously. This is what awaits all of us.
    Whereas I've tried to keep you all safe, tried to get you to use
    security online so you won't be traced, that doesn't really matter
    anymore. If you don't take the vax, you're being traced, even if you've managed to keep a good security profile online.

    Brutal imprisonment and torture is the fate that awaits all of us if we
    do not take the proper measures to ensure our safety and survival.

    If you're still living in some kind of haze or delusion, and haven't
    realized what is going on in this country, you need to snap out of it.
    This is real and it is happening and you are next.

    Copy and paste the letter and share it with everyone you know. Print it
    out and show it to people. We need people to be aware of how serious of
    a situation we are in.


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  • From A Voice in the Wilderness?@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 6 21:34:00 2021
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    98.6% wrote:

    F'ing violent criminals trying to overthrow American democracy

    American democracy was destroyed on November 4th at 4:00 AM.

    are your heroes, that speaks volumes.

    Apparently you support torturing prisoners.

    Maybe you should defend BLM protesters as political prisoners
    that were looting and attacking police while you're at it too?

    Exactly ZERO of them are being tortured.

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  • From Jonathan@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 7 08:28:42 2021
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    On 11/6/2021 5:34 PM, A Voice in the Wilderness? wrote:
    98.6% wrote:

    F'ing violent criminals trying to overthrow American democracy

    American democracy was destroyed on November 4th at 4:00 AM.



    In most states the in-person votes were counted first
    the mail-in ballots last. Only a Trumpster would
    consider counting ALL the votes anti-democratic.

    Show me a link proving ONE VOTE was fraudulently
    cast for Biden. ONE VOTE!

    You can't. Funny about that. And even if you did
    you'd need to show around 4 million more.


    are your heroes, that speaks volumes.

    Apparently you support torturing prisoners.



    You should champion prison reform. Oh at least
    for white prisoners, right?

    Being kept in jail without bond is hardly torture
    neither is solitary when it's for their own
    protection. Skinheads aren't exactly prison darlings
    ya know.



    Maybe you should defend BLM protesters as political prisoners
    that were looting and attacking police while you're at it too?

    Exactly ZERO of them are being tortured.


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  • From Andy K.@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 7 16:47:48 2021
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  • From A Voice in the Wilderness?@21:1/5 to Jonathan on Mon Nov 8 23:52:00 2021
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    Jonathan wrote:
    On 11/6/2021 5:34 PM, A Voice in the Wilderness? wrote:
    98.6% wrote:

    F'ing violent criminals trying to overthrow American democracy

    American democracy was destroyed on November 4th at 4:00 AM.



    In most states the in-person votes were counted first
    the mail-in ballots last. Only a Trumpster would
    consider counting ALL the votes anti-democratic.

    Most states didn't stop counting in the middle of the night, throwing
    out the observers, in order to figure out how many votes they needed
    to manufacture in order to steal the election.

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  • From Johannes =?ISO-8859-15?Q?B=FClow?=@21:1/5 to voice@wilderness.net on Sun Nov 14 15:52:04 2021
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    Can y'all explain to me how on earth this is relevant for groups like comp.misc?

    In comp.misc A Voice in the Wilderness? <voice@wilderness.net> wrote:
    Jonathan wrote:
    On 11/6/2021 5:34 PM, A Voice in the Wilderness? wrote:
    98.6% wrote:

    F'ing violent criminals trying to overthrow American democracy

    American democracy was destroyed on November 4th at 4:00 AM.
    From the point of view of an European, the American system is hardly democratic. Two parties only, racing each other to be the most neolib, a
    weird system to elect Presidents and Senators. For example, in the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, but Trump still became President.

    In most states the in-person votes were counted first
    the mail-in ballots last. Only a Trumpster would
    consider counting ALL the votes anti-democratic.

    Most states didn't stop counting in the middle of the night, throwing
    out the observers, in order to figure out how many votes they needed
    to manufacture in order to steal the election.

    Nope, and re-counts also didn't show any irregularities. So I guess
    Trump really lost.

    On the treatment of Prisoners in the US: Well, you didn't abolish
    slavery for prisoners, so that's what you got now. It usually only
    affects poor people or people of colour, but if this is really true, it
    also occasionally hits an alt-right white dude.

    Best Regards,

    Johannes

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 14 21:25:43 2021
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    On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:52:04 +0000, Johannes Bülow wrote:

    From the point of view of an European, the American system is hardly democratic. Two parties only, racing each other to be the most neolib, a weird system to elect Presidents and Senators.

    Which is biased (more than most) to those with the biggest bankroll.
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  • From Visiblink@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Sun Nov 14 16:08:00 2021
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:08:07 +1100
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote

    My name is Nathan DeGrave, and as a non violent participant at the
    Jan 6th rally, I've spent the last 9 months detained as a
    political prisoner
    in pod C2B at the DC DOC...otherwise known as DC's Gitmo.

    Actually, that's not really a location. He's in the DC Central
    Detention Facility, probably awaiting a move to a federal facility.

    CDF is a pretty nasty place to be, in part due to a lot of prison
    changes passed by Republicans in the eighties and nineties. As
    Newt Gingrich says,
    "prison isn't supposed to be fun." Even so, it's a pretty safe
    place even if not a very comfortable one, especially when compared
    with the old Lorton
    Reformatory which used to be the main holding facility for DC.
    Guys like Nathan would have been beat up and raped within minutes
    of arrival at Lorton.
    They'll probably make it through the CDF without any injuries,
    which is a lot better than prisoners in a lot of other places can
    say.

    They still have a chance to wind up at one of the privately-owned facilities that provide contract prisons to the Federal government,
    after their sentencing. If they think the CDF is bad, just wait.

    Nobody wants to pay money to make prisons
    into places that actually reform people,

    Because no matter how much you spend that doesn’t actually happen.

    Not even possible with kids jails essentially because
    only the worst of the kids end up in jail.

    and so this is what we get. What they are seeing
    right now is just the tip of the iceberg. Welcome
    to consequences of the War on Drugs!



    Nice to see arguments based on evidence. /s

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