Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
I hate such business models, because you don't own the stuff you pay
for.
I will continue to use the older HP and Samsung printers I have at home
for the ~20 pages I need to print per year.
Those printers don't have a NIC, they have USB or parallel, and they
are supported in Linux.
Such printers are widely available and ink is available from 3rd
parties.
Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
Feed: OSnews
Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
HP launched a subscription service[1] today that rents people a printer, allots them a specific amount of printed pages, and sends them ink for a monthly fee. HP is framing its service as a way to simplify printing for families and small businesses, but the deal also comes with monitoring and a years-long commitment.
Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy printer (the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per month.
↫ Scharon Harding at Ars Technica[2]
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
Links:
[1]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/all-in-plan/printers.html (link)
[2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/ (link)
Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
Most of us here likely feel the same way.
Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
other printers.
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
Most of us here likely feel the same way.
Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
other printers.
"Money speaks" and stuff.
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
Feed: OSnews
Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
Most of us here likely feel the same way.
Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as
a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for
other printers.
"Money speaks" and stuff.
That, and there will likely be some subset of the lemmings that will
buy it, without realizing the 'subscription aspect', and afterward
their own cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will rationalize
the 'subscription' as somehow being better for them than the
alternative, in order not to admit they had been duped.
Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it
as a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this
for other printers.
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, Rich wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
Most of us here likely feel the same way.
Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as >>>> a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for >>>> other printers.
"Money speaks" and stuff.
That, and there will likely be some subset of the lemmings that will
buy it, without realizing the 'subscription aspect', and afterward
their own cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will rationalize
the 'subscription' as somehow being better for them than the
alternative, in order not to admit they had been duped.
That reminds me, wasn't it that one of the big german car manufacturers started selling extra features as "services" you had to pay for month
after month?
I would expect them to stop doing that pretty quickly.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, Rich wrote:
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote: >>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 22:48 this Friday (GMT):
Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
Am 01.03.2024 schrieb Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid>:
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
I hope that this will stay a joke. :-)
Most of us here likely feel the same way.
Reality is that enough lemmings will buy into it that HP will see it as >>>>> a success, and this will encourage them to add more crap like this for >>>>> other printers.
"Money speaks" and stuff.
That, and there will likely be some subset of the lemmings that will
buy it, without realizing the 'subscription aspect', and afterward
their own cognitive dissonance will kick in and they will rationalize
the 'subscription' as somehow being better for them than the
alternative, in order not to admit they had been duped.
That reminds me, wasn't it that one of the big german car manufacturers
started selling extra features as "services" you had to pay for month
after month?
I would expect them to stop doing that pretty quickly.
BMW - heated seats.
You could order "heated seats" as a fixed-price option on a new car, or "subscribe" later if you didn't order the option when new (as the car
seats included all the heater coils and control unit, the software just
would not turn the resistive heaters on if you had not "purchased" the option). If I remember right, after a lot of "bad publicity" they
backed off on this (for now, I expect them to try it again).
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:monitors
Feed: OSnews
Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it
Author: Thom Holwerda
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36- month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
HP launched a subscription service[1] today that rents people a printer, >allots them a specific amount of printed pages, and sends them ink for a >monthly fee. HP is framing its service as a way to simplify printing for >families and small businesses, but the deal also comes with monitoring anda
years-long commitment.printer
Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy
(the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan >includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per >month.
? Scharon Harding at Ars Technica[2]
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
Links:
[1]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/all-in-plan/printers.html (link)
[2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36- month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/ (link)
In article <65e1e472$0$19594$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, fungus@amongus.com.invalid says...
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:monitors
Feed: OSnews
Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it
Author: Thom Holwerdamonth-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
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HP launched a subscription service[1] today that rents people a printer,
allots them a specific amount of printed pages, and sends them ink for a
monthly fee. HP is framing its service as a way to simplify printing for
families and small businesses, but the deal also comes with monitoring and
years-long commitment.printer
Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy
(the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest planmonth-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/ (link)
includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per
month.
? Scharon Harding at Ars Technica[2]
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
Links:
[1]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/all-in-plan/printers.html (link)
[2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-
It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry.
Epson are apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers after a fixed period of time: https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working- dea-1849384045
It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry.
Epson are apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers after a fixed period of time: https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working- dea-1849384045
dbnnet <dbnnet@invalid.com> wrote:
It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry.
Epson are apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers >> after a fixed period of time:
https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working-
dea-1849384045
That's nothing new. I think that trick's as old as cheap ink-jet
printers themselves, because they all have the sponge that can't
officially be replaced (even though it's often easy to access).
Epson's mistake was obviously using their fancy modern LCD display
to actually explain the error message. Old ink-jets like the ones
I've owned before I got fed up with the technology entirely would
just one day flash an LED in a patten which the manual explains as
something like "hardware malfunction", and everyone just assumes
something's actually broken rather than a mere soggy sponge. From
lack of other symptoms I suspect that's what happened to an old
(parallel port) Lexmark ink-jet I had.
Canon do the same thing: https://www.canon.com.au/support/sims-content?pid=4895fb3b3d1d414dac1447260ed7920d&cid=67413794F30646D09D614333C720646C
As they say, it might depend on how often the cleaning cycle is
run. People who infrequently print buy ink-jets, yet such usage
causes more cleaning cycles and therefore more wasted ink, and then
the sponge fills up so the printer dies. So they're actually
terrible for that sort of application.
Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
Feed: OSnews
Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it monitors
Author: Thom Holwerda
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
Link:
https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36-month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it
makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this
Saturday (GMT):
Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
Feed: OSnews Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a
printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024
19:47:12 -0500 Link:
https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36- month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it
makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024, dbnnet wrote:
It's not only HP who are determined to milk the customer dry. Epson are
apparently using planned obsolescence to "Brick" certain printers after a
fixed period of time:
https://gizmodo.com/epson-printer-end-of-service-life-error-not-working-
dea-1849384045
Hmm, if that is proven, I'm pretty sure it would be illegal in some EU >countries.
On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:55:09 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this
Saturday (GMT):
Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
Feed: OSnews Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a
printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024
19:47:12 -0500 Link:
https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36- >month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it
makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..
Not uncommon on high end printers. My son works for Konica Minolta, and at >that level that's all they do.
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:55:09 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this
Saturday (GMT):
Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
From the ??eat sh*t and die, HP?? department:
Feed: OSnews Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a
printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 >>>>> 19:47:12 -0500 Link:
https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36- >>month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have
many others businesses; there???s demonstrably a market for it. I
suspect it makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..
Not uncommon on high end printers. My son works for Konica Minolta,
and at that level that's all they do.
That is in fact how Xerox started out. IBM too. But we got away
from that and now it looks like we are headed right back.
Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:55:09 +0000, candycanearter07 wrote:
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote at 09:51 this
Saturday (GMT):
Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes:
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:
Feed: OSnews Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a
printer that it monitors Author: Thom Holwerda Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 >>>>> 19:47:12 -0500 Link:
https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36- >>month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
HP have been offering leases on printers for years and so have many
others businesses; there’s demonstrably a market for it. I suspect it >>>> makes more sense for businesses than individuals.
LEASES? We really are entering the "You will own nothing" era..
Not uncommon on high end printers. My son works for Konica Minolta, and at >>that level that's all they do.
That is in fact how Xerox started out. IBM too. But we got away from that and now it looks like we are headed right back.
--scott
Considering the source (Gizmodo was part of Gawker, which got sued into bankruptcy over its serial lies), it's almost certainly false. Epson inkjet printers have a "maintenance box" that's basically a sponge to soak up ink from printhead cleaning. When it gets full, the printer stops working until you replace it. Buy a new one (this 3rd-party unit was about $13 when I bought it: https://amzn.to/42ZJpSb), spend a few minutes removing the old
one and installing the new one, and you're back in business.
I've also heard of people disassembling the maintenance box, rinsing out the ink, putting it back together, and using something to fool the printer into thinking a new maintenance box has been installed. Considering the mess
that ink makes when it goes where it shouldn't, you're better off just replacing it IMHO.
Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
I've also heard of people disassembling the maintenance box, rinsing
out the ink, putting it back together, and using something to fool
the printer into thinking a new maintenance box has been installed.
Considering the mess that ink makes when it goes where it shouldn't,
you're better off just replacing it IMHO.
My printer has a replaceable maintenance box. It's otherwise
identical to the previous version which didn't. On the old one, when
the box would fill up it would stop with a 'waste ink pad full'
message. Epson says this is a service visit ($$$) - because you
don't just replace the pads, you have to reset the Waste Ink Counter
with their special software. For a years-old printer that was a
couple of hundred to buy, few are going to pay for a service visit to
keep it going. It's constructive planned obsolescence.
Such printers are widely available and ink is available from 3rd
parties.
And HP (and others) are doing the best to derail you from using 3rd
party ink.
I used 3rd party ink in one of my HP printers and it simply refused
to print. A previous HP printer that I had actually got messed up
after using 3rd party ink.
From the «eat sh*t and die, HP» department:monitors
Feed: OSnews
Title: HP wants you to pay up to $36/month to rent a printer that it
Author: Thom Holwerda
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 19:47:12 -0500
Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138668/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36- month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/
HP launched a subscription service[1] today that rents people a printer, >allots them a specific amount of printed pages, and sends them ink for a >monthly fee. HP is framing its service as a way to simplify printing for >families and small businesses, but the deal also comes with monitoring anda
years-long commitment.printer
Prices range from $6.99 per month for a plan that includes an HP Envy
(the current model is the 6020e) and 20 printed pages. The priciest plan >includes an HP OfficeJet Pro rental and 700 printed pages for $35.99 per >month.
? Scharon Harding at Ars Technica[2]
Can I pay them not to put a printer in my house?
Links:
[1]: https://www.hp.com/us-en/all-in-plan/printers.html (link)
[2]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hp-wants-you-to-pay-up-to-36- month-to-rent-a-printer-that-it-monitors/ (link)
Such printers are widely available and ink is available from 3rd
parties.
And HP (and others) are doing the best to derail you from using 3rd party ink.
I used 3rd party ink in one of my HP printers and it simply refused to print. >A previous HP printer that I had actually got messed up after using 3rd party >ink.
BTW: My next printer will **not** be HP.
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