As a particular instance of a gripe in an earlier thread about vendors forcing use of particular technologies, does anyone have experience
buying NHL tickets and attending without use of a modern smart phone?
I bought tickets to see a Canadiens game from ticketmaster Canada. Their website seemed only to offer a "mobile ticket" option wherein your
"phone is your ticket". (And naturally I could find no way to avoid ticketmaster, but that's another issue.)
My (Android) phone's old, doesn't have room for new apps, and can't use
the play store or google wallet. It is possible to access something like
a ticket record with a normal mobile web browser (without their app),
but I'm not sure if it would get me through the gate. Unlike, say,
Amtrak, they won't let you download a pdf with a bar card they can scan.
In fact, their documentation explicitly says that screenshots of
barcodes will not work (they seem almost proud of the fact). And they
don't even give a bar code but only numbers and letters with "Barcode"
as a label if you follow the ticket links to the very end.
But in an earlier ticket link it has an animation with two vertical
lines swinging back and forth like Cylon eyes. Could the animation be encoding the ticket information in a way the arena's scanners would pick
up, or might this only be what you get if your browser is not adequate?
Ticketmaster.ca support did suggest I could switch to a will call ticket
but only if I wait until two days before the game before requesting
that. It's part of a trip with my son. Maybe I'll do that, but it would
be nice to have some assurance before we go that we'd be let in.
Had similar up front behavior buying hockey tickets to see the
Springfield Thunderbirds (not ticketmaster) where their online crap
insists you'll need your ticket in google wallet, but it ended up being
a non-issue. You just ignore everyone you deal with online and go
straight to the box office before the game. They print your tickets
without you having to do anything special with websites, apps, or
service reps.
Anyone have experience with hockey (especially Montreal's Bell Centre)
or music tickets in the last couple years? Things seem to have gotten
out of hand.
As a particular instance of a gripe in an earlier thread about vendors forcing use of particular technologies, does anyone have experience
buying NHL tickets and attending without use of a modern smart phone?
I bought tickets to see a Canadiens game from ticketmaster Canada. Their website seemed only to offer a "mobile ticket" option wherein your
"phone is your ticket". (And naturally I could find no way to avoid ticketmaster, but that's another issue.)
My (Android) phone's old, doesn't have room for new apps, and can't use
the play store or google wallet. It is possible to access something like
a ticket record with a normal mobile web browser (without their app),
but I'm not sure if it would get me through the gate. Unlike, say,
Amtrak, they won't let you download a pdf with a bar card they can scan.
In fact, their documentation explicitly says that screenshots of
barcodes will not work (they seem almost proud of the fact). And they
don't even give a bar code but only numbers and letters with "Barcode"
as a label if you follow the ticket links to the very end.
But in an earlier ticket link it has an animation with two vertical
lines swinging back and forth like Cylon eyes. Could the animation be encoding the ticket information in a way the arena's scanners would pick
up, or might this only be what you get if your browser is not adequate?
Ticketmaster.ca support did suggest I could switch to a will call ticket
but only if I wait until two days before the game before requesting
that. It's part of a trip with my son. Maybe I'll do that, but it would
be nice to have some assurance before we go that we'd be let in.
Had similar up front behavior buying hockey tickets to see the
Springfield Thunderbirds (not ticketmaster) where their online crap
insists you'll need your ticket in google wallet, but it ended up being
a non-issue. You just ignore everyone you deal with online and go
straight to the box office before the game. They print your tickets
without you having to do anything special with websites, apps, or
service reps.
Anyone have experience with hockey (especially Montreal's Bell Centre)
or music tickets in the last couple years? Things seem to have gotten
out of hand.
As a particular instance of a gripe in an earlier thread
about vendors forcing use of particular technologies, does
anyone have experience buying NHL tickets and attending
without use of a modern smart phone?
I bought tickets to see a Canadiens game from ticketmaster
Canada. Their website seemed only to offer a "mobile
ticket" option wherein your "phone is your ticket". (And
naturally I could find no way to avoid ticketmaster, but
that's another issue.)
My (Android) phone's old, doesn't have room for new apps,
and can't use the play store or google wallet. It is
possible to access something like a ticket record with a
normal mobile web browser (without their app), but I'm not
sure if it would get me through the gate. Unlike, say,
Amtrak, they won't let you download a pdf with a bar card
they can scan. In fact, their documentation explicitly
says that screenshots of barcodes will not work (they seem
almost proud of the fact). And they don't even give a bar
code but only numbers and letters with "Barcode" as a
label if you follow the ticket links to the very end.
But in an earlier ticket link it has an animation with two
vertical lines swinging back and forth like Cylon eyes.
Could the animation be encoding the ticket information in
a way the arena's scanners would pick up, or might this
only be what you get if your browser is not adequate?
Ticketmaster.ca support did suggest I could switch to a
will call ticket but only if I wait until two days before
the game before requesting that. It's part of a trip with
my son. Maybe I'll do that, but it would be nice to have
some assurance before we go that we'd be let in.
Had similar up front behavior buying hockey tickets to see
the Springfield Thunderbirds (not ticketmaster) where
their online crap insists you'll need your ticket in
google wallet, but it ended up being a non-issue. You just
ignore everyone you deal with online and go straight to
the box office before the game. They print your tickets
without you having to do anything special with websites,
apps, or service reps.
Anyone have experience with hockey (especially Montreal's
Bell Centre) or music tickets in the last couple years?
Things seem to have gotten out of hand.
I have *no* cell phone at all, smart or otherwise,
From what I've been hearing some arenas will not
even accept cash for concession or any other purchases.
I don't like the way this is going at all.
My (Android) phone's old, doesn't have room for new apps, and can't use
the play store or google wallet. It is possible to access something like
a ticket record with a normal mobile web browser (without their app),
but I'm not sure if it would get me through the gate. Unlike, say,
Amtrak, they won't let you download a pdf with a bar card they can scan.
In fact, their documentation explicitly says that screenshots of
barcodes will not work (they seem almost proud of the fact). And they
don't even give a bar code but only numbers and letters with "Barcode"
as a label if you follow the ticket links to the very end.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024, Nyssa wrote:
I have *no* cell phone at all, smart or otherwise,
How come you don't have a phone? Is it a conscious choice,
if so, why did you choose that life style and what are the
benefits?
From what I've been hearing some arenas will not
even accept cash for concession or any other purchases.
You should probably consider moving to a more cash
positive country. I think germany is the most cash
positive country in the EU, but I could be wrong.
Not using cash more often is one of my privacy sins. I
wish I would, but for some reason I am not as bothered by
a credit card, as by a smart phone (I don't own a smart
phone).
I don't like the way this is going at all.
Neither do I.
In article <jpkplx1wggl.fsf@panix5.panix.com>,
Amon Toestep <amon@void.nil> wrote:
My (Android) phone's old, doesn't have room for new apps,
and can't use the play store or google wallet. It is
possible to access something like a ticket record with a
normal mobile web browser (without their app), but I'm not
sure if it would get me through the gate. Unlike, say,
Amtrak, they won't let you download a pdf with a bar card
they can scan. In fact, their documentation explicitly
says that screenshots of barcodes will not work (they seem
almost proud of the fact). And they don't even give a bar
code but only numbers and letters with "Barcode" as a
label if you follow the ticket links to the very end.
Having bought tickets through Ticketmaster (US, but it's
probably the same elsewhere) somewhat recently, I noticed
that tickets for one event had a constantly-changing QR
code, as if it was some mashup of a QR code and TOTP.
That's why you can't bring a printout. They probably
imagine it's more "secure" somehow.
D wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024, Nyssa wrote:
I have *no* cell phone at all, smart or otherwise,
How come you don't have a phone? Is it a conscious choice,
if so, why did you choose that life style and what are the
benefits?
A landline is just fine. I'm here 90+% of the time.
And there is email for a quick note.
There is no one that needs 24/7 constant contact with me
for that small percentage that I'm out and about running
errands or whatever. Why pay for something I don't need?
Best thing about cash, you can't overspend. :) You run
out, you stop buying until you can re-supply.
In article <jpkplx1wggl.fsf@panix5.panix.com>,
Amon Toestep <amon@void.nil> wrote:
My (Android) phone's old, doesn't have room for new apps, and can't use
the play store or google wallet. It is possible to access something like
a ticket record with a normal mobile web browser (without their app),
but I'm not sure if it would get me through the gate. Unlike, say,
Amtrak, they won't let you download a pdf with a bar card they can scan.
In fact, their documentation explicitly says that screenshots of
barcodes will not work (they seem almost proud of the fact). And they
don't even give a bar code but only numbers and letters with "Barcode"
as a label if you follow the ticket links to the very end.
Having bought tickets through Ticketmaster (US, but it's probably the same elsewhere) somewhat recently, I noticed that tickets for one event had a constantly-changing QR code, as if it was some mashup of a QR code and TOTP. That's why you can't bring a printout. They probably imagine it's more "secure" somehow.
How come you don't have a phone? Is it a conscious choice,
if so, why did you choose that life style and what are the
benefits?
A landline is just fine. I'm here 90+% of the time.
And there is email for a quick note.
There is no one that needs 24/7 constant contact with me
for that small percentage that I'm out and about running
errands or whatever. Why pay for something I don't need?
You should probably consider moving to a more cash
positive country. I think germany is the most cash
positive country in the EU, but I could be wrong.
Germany used to be very pro-cash, but from the information
I'm getting these days, that's changed...a lot.
Nyssa, who also figures if she did get a smartphone,
neither of the two top OSs would be anything she'd want
to use...Google is untrustworthy and Apple is too over-
priced and if she went with a Linux phone, none of
these corporate-pushed specific apps would work on it
anyway
In article <jpkplx1wggl.fsf@panix5.panix.com>,
Amon Toestep <amon@void.nil> wrote:
My (Android) phone's old, doesn't have room for new apps, and can't use
the play store or google wallet. It is possible to access something like
a ticket record with a normal mobile web browser (without their app),
but I'm not sure if it would get me through the gate. Unlike, say,
Amtrak, they won't let you download a pdf with a bar card they can scan.
In fact, their documentation explicitly says that screenshots of
barcodes will not work (they seem almost proud of the fact). And they
don't even give a bar code but only numbers and letters with "Barcode"
as a label if you follow the ticket links to the very end.
Having bought tickets through Ticketmaster (US, but it's probably the same elsewhere) somewhat recently, I noticed that tickets for one event had a constantly-changing QR code, as if it was some mashup of a QR code and TOTP. That's why you can't bring a printout. They probably imagine it's more "secure" somehow.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024, Amon Toestep wrote:...
As a particular instance of a gripe in an earlier thread about vendors
forcing use of particular technologies, does anyone have experience
buying NHL tickets and attending without use of a modern smart phone?
...But in an earlier ticket link it has an animation with two vertical
lines swinging back and forth like Cylon eyes. Could the animation be
encoding the ticket information in a way the arena's scanners would pick
up, or might this only be what you get if your browser is not adequate?
Anyone have experience with hockey (especially Montreal's Bell Centre)
or music tickets in the last couple years? Things seem to have gotten
out of hand.
I mean, if it's QR can't you just print it? Don't live in the US so
don't know how the system works or if they put in any blocks or laws
against showing them a QR on a piece of paper.
Scott Alfter wrote:
Having bought tickets through Ticketmaster (US, but it'sI think a lot (most?) of these so-called protections are
probably the same elsewhere) somewhat recently, I noticed
that tickets for one event had a constantly-changing QR
code, as if it was some mashup of a QR code and TOTP.
That's why you can't bring a printout. They probably
imagine it's more "secure" somehow.
geared not for the customer's convenience, but to make
it impossible to give away or sell your ticket to a third
party without going through the original vendor...and
paying even more fees for the ability to do so.
On 2024-02-12, Amon Toestep <amon@void.nil> wrote:...
As a particular instance of a gripe in an earlier thread about vendors
forcing use of particular technologies, does anyone have experience
buying NHL tickets and attending without use of a modern smart phone?
I bought tickets to see a Canadiens game from ticketmaster Canada. Their
website seemed only to offer a "mobile ticket" option wherein your
"phone is your ticket". (And naturally I could find no way to avoid
ticketmaster, but that's another issue.)
Anyone have experience with hockey (especially Montreal's Bell Centre)
or music tickets in the last couple years? Things seem to have gotten
out of hand.
Hello. I would like to share a somewhat similar old smartphone story.
It is related to Germany. In 2019 comdirect bank (not
existing anymore) decided to drop support for confirming online banking operations using tan numbers printed on a sheet of paper. I understand
it is a good move of the bank regarding the fact that confirming banking operations using tan numbers printed on a sheet of paper doesn't conform
to todays security standards anymore. Nevertheless if the banks customer wanted to continue using online banking he or she was left with two
options: Install an app provided by the bank oh his / her smartphone
or buy a key generator, a standalone electronic device, for 8 Euro from
the bank. No other way to do a bank transfer or to fetch a bank record.
Nyssa <Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net> writes:
Scott Alfter wrote:
Having bought tickets through Ticketmaster (US, but it'sI think a lot (most?) of these so-called protections are
probably the same elsewhere) somewhat recently, I noticed
that tickets for one event had a constantly-changing QR
code, as if it was some mashup of a QR code and TOTP.
That's why you can't bring a printout. They probably
imagine it's more "secure" somehow.
geared not for the customer's convenience, but to make
it impossible to give away or sell your ticket to a third
party without going through the original vendor...and
paying even more fees for the ability to do so.
Yes, you likely are correct. Sell and transfer links feature quite prominently on the ticket pages. The only thing they want you to see
more clearly is that you can't use a printout or screenshot of the QR
code animation.
It was the similar when I bought AHL tickets that claimed to require an
App and google wallet. They made sure to give prominent instructions on
how to re-sell your tickets within their system.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024, Nyssa wrote:
How come you don't have a phone? Is it a conscious
choice, if so, why did you choose that life style and
what are the benefits?
A landline is just fine. I'm here 90+% of the time.
And there is email for a quick note.
Got it! I misunderstood. I thought you didn't even have a
land line, so that's what made me curious.
Where I live, it is no longer possible to get land lines,
so I have a dumbphone which I very seldom bring with me
when I leave my apartment.
There is no one that needs 24/7 constant contact with me
for that small percentage that I'm out and about running
errands or whatever. Why pay for something I don't need?
Sounds very reasonable.
You should probably consider moving to a more cash
positive country. I think germany is the most cash
positive country in the EU, but I could be wrong.
Germany used to be very pro-cash, but from the
information I'm getting these days, that's changed...a
lot.
What a shame!
Nyssa, who also figures if she did get a smartphone,
neither of the two top OSs would be anything she'd want
to use...Google is untrustworthy and Apple is too over-
priced and if she went with a Linux phone, none of
these corporate-pushed specific apps would work on it
anyway
I know an open source/GDPR lawyer who uses graphene and
linux for 95% of his work. For his clients that demand
windows, he has an old laptop in a locker with word on it
which he uses only for those clients. The majority he uses
linux.
Ditto here, though I do have an ancient machine I built
mid-1990s that I have MSDOS, Win3.1, and an old Linux
distro installed on it. :)
Your lawyer buddy probably could get away with using
OpenOffice or LibreOffice on his Linux partition and
save in the Word (SPIT!) format for those clients who
still think Windows is da bomb.
Your lawyer buddy probably could get away with using OpenOffice or LibreOffice on his Linux partition and save in the Word (SPIT!) format
for those clients who still think Windows is da bomb.
Nyssa, who has been using some flavor of *ix since 1982
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:45:39 -0500, Nyssa wrote:
Your lawyer buddy probably could get away with using
OpenOffice or LibreOffice on his Linux partition and save
in the Word (SPIT!) format for those clients who still
think Windows is da bomb.
Unfortunately, the compatibility isn't that good. Even
less so with Impress vs. PowerPoint. So I keep a Windows
machine around.
(also for the NI-VISA applications that work with my bench
equipment)
Nyssa, who has been using some flavor of *ix since 1982
Bob, who has been using some flavour of UNIX since 1975
Amon Toestep <amon@void.nil> wrote:
Nyssa <Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net> writes:
I think a lot (most?) of these so-called protections are
geared not for the customer's convenience, but to make
it impossible to give away or sell your ticket to a third
party without going through the original vendor...and
paying even more fees for the ability to do so.
Yes, you likely are correct. Sell and transfer links feature quite
prominently on the ticket pages. The only thing they want you to see
more clearly is that you can't use a printout or screenshot of the QR
code animation.
It was the similar when I bought AHL tickets that claimed to require an
App and google wallet. They made sure to give prominent instructions on
how to re-sell your tickets within their system.
If they can keep scalper sales within their system, then they can be
sure to take a cut of the action.
If you could print out the QR code and sell that printout outside their system, they would not be able to take their cut of the action.
Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:45:39 -0500, Nyssa wrote:You win! :)
Your lawyer buddy probably could get away with using OpenOffice or
LibreOffice on his Linux partition and save in the Word (SPIT!) format
for those clients who still think Windows is da bomb.
Unfortunately, the compatibility isn't that good. Even less so with
Impress vs. PowerPoint. So I keep a Windows machine around.
(also for the NI-VISA applications that work with my bench equipment)
Nyssa, who has been using some flavor of *ix since 1982
Bob, who has been using some flavour of UNIX since 1975
Nyssa, who bows to the even more experienced person
Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
Amon Toestep <amon@void.nil> wrote:
Nyssa <Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net> writes:
I think a lot (most?) of these so-called protections are
geared not for the customer's convenience, but to make
it impossible to give away or sell your ticket to a third
party without going through the original vendor...and
paying even more fees for the ability to do so.
Yes, you likely are correct. Sell and transfer links feature quite
prominently on the ticket pages. The only thing they want you to see
more clearly is that you can't use a printout or screenshot of the QR
code animation.
It was the similar when I bought AHL tickets that claimed to require an
App and google wallet. They made sure to give prominent instructions on
how to re-sell your tickets within their system.
If they can keep scalper sales within their system, then they can be
sure to take a cut of the action.
If you could print out the QR code and sell that printout outside their
system, they would not be able to take their cut of the action.
Not feeling tenderhearted towards ticketmaster, but if scalpers could
sell QR codes we'd have the problem of them reselling the same one to multiple people.
In theory the normal old tickets could be duplicated, but I don't
recall hearing of that.
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