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    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 2 03:06:15 2024
    From the «no mention of kdevelop» department:
    Feed: OSnews
    Title: The IDEs we had 30 years ago… And we lost
    Author: Thom Holwerda
    Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:29:45 -0500
    Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138165/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and-we-lost/


    I grew up learning to program in the late 1980s / early 1990s. Back then, I
    did not fully comprehend what I was doing and why the tools I used were impressive given the constraints of the hardware we had. Having gained more knowledge throughout the years, it is now really fun to pick up DOSBox to re-experience those programs and compare them with our current state of affairs.

    This time around, I want to look at the pure text-based IDEs that we had in that era before Windows eclipsed the PC industry. I want to do this because those IDEs had little to envy from the IDEs of today—yet it feels as if we went through a dark era where we lost most of those features for years and
    they are only resurfacing now.

    If anything, stay for a nostalgic ride back in time and a little rant on “bloat”. But, more importantly, read on to gain perspective on what existed before so that you can evaluate future feature launches more critically.
    ↫ Julio Merino[1]

    Fast forward to today, and the most popular[2] text editor among programmers is a website running in Chrome in a window. No wonder most popular applications are
    Electron trashfires now.

    Times sure have changed.

    Links:
    [1]: https://blogsystem5.substack.com/p/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and (link) [2]: https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2022/06/23/stack-overflow-2022-survey.aspx (link)

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  • From immibis@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Tue Jan 2 05:01:44 2024
    On 1/2/24 04:06, Retrograde wrote:
    From the «no mention of kdevelop» department:
    Feed: OSnews
    Title: The IDEs we had 30 years ago… And we lost
    Author: Thom Holwerda
    Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:29:45 -0500
    Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138165/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and-we-lost/


    I grew up learning to program in the late 1980s / early 1990s. Back then, I did not fully comprehend what I was doing and why the tools I used were impressive given the constraints of the hardware we had. Having gained more knowledge throughout the years, it is now really fun to pick up DOSBox to re-experience those programs and compare them with our current state of affairs.

    This time around, I want to look at the pure text-based IDEs that we had in that era before Windows eclipsed the PC industry. I want to do this because those IDEs had little to envy from the IDEs of today—yet it feels as if we went through a dark era where we lost most of those features for years and they are only resurfacing now.

    If anything, stay for a nostalgic ride back in time and a little rant on “bloat”. But, more importantly, read on to gain perspective on what existed
    before so that you can evaluate future feature launches more critically.
    ↫ Julio Merino[1]

    Fast forward to today, and the most popular[2] text editor among programmers is
    a website running in Chrome in a window. No wonder most popular applications are
    Electron trashfires now.

    Times sure have changed.

    Links:
    [1]: https://blogsystem5.substack.com/p/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and (link)
    [2]: https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2022/06/23/stack-overflow-2022-survey.aspx (link)


    We've lost the IDEs from the Windows era, too - the ones that weren't
    Electron trashfires.

    Why is everything today *worse* than Visual C++ 6 (the first one I used)?

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  • From John McCue@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Tue Jan 2 16:04:37 2024
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    From the «no mention of kdevelop» department:
    Feed: OSnews
    Title: The IDEs we had 30 years ago… And we lost
    Author: Thom Holwerda
    Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:29:45 -0500
    Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138165/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and-we-lost/

    <snip>

    I wish I could see the article, but Cloudflare is preventing
    me with this message:

    Access denied
    Error code 1020
    You do not have access to www.osnews.com.
    The site owner may have set restrictions that prevent
    you from accessing the site.

    Oh well, I like osnews, but more and more cloudflare is preventing
    me from going to various sites :(


    --
    [t]csh(1) - "An elegant shell, for a more... civilized age."
    - Paraphrasing Star Wars

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  • From immibis@21:1/5 to John McCue on Tue Jan 2 18:09:54 2024
    On 1/2/24 17:04, John McCue wrote:
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    From the «no mention of kdevelop» department:
    Feed: OSnews
    Title: The IDEs we had 30 years ago… And we lost
    Author: Thom Holwerda
    Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:29:45 -0500
    Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138165/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and-we-lost/

    <snip>

    I wish I could see the article, but Cloudflare is preventing
    me with this message:

    Access denied
    Error code 1020
    You do not have access to www.osnews.com.
    The site owner may have set restrictions that prevent
    you from accessing the site.

    Oh well, I like osnews, but more and more cloudflare is preventing
    me from going to various sites :(



    Reminds me of a discussion recently in one of the anonymity groups or
    the Gemini group. Someone (I am someone) should make a proxy service
    that bypasses all these site-specific nonsense blockages (e.g. by using
    a residential IP if that's what the site demands).

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to John McCue on Tue Jan 2 17:14:41 2024
    John McCue wrote:

    Retrograde wrote:

    Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/138165/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and-we-lost/

    I wish I could see the article, but Cloudflare is preventing me

    Here is where osnews links to

    <https://blogsystem5.substack.com/p/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and>

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  • From David LaRue@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Jan 2 23:43:40 2024
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in news:kviuk2F8sfcU3 @mid.individual.net:

    https://blogsystem5.substack.com/p/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and

    Thank you for posting the link, Andy. It was a good read.

    I started coding about 1970 through the present. Sadly a couple years ago
    a brain issue caused me to lose my ability to visualize entire ssytems in
    my head and run them there. An IDE and such are good, but when the developer/engineer can visualize the whole system, it makes for a much more powerful development and diagnostic system -- the brain.

    Avoiding Microsoft tools were a definite advantage for me. About the time
    MS NT caught up to OS/2 for stability, not popularity, I was lured into
    Windows from dozens of much better systems. The lure at the time was a
    job, less demanding work, and quadruple the pay. I still prefer the much larger multi-system and multi-application problems to just simple programs,
    no matter how large. Todays applications are usually so fragile.

    Keep having fun everyone!

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  • From John McCue@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Jan 3 16:53:47 2024
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    John McCue wrote:

    <snip>

    I wish I could see the article, but Cloudflare is preventing me

    Here is where osnews links to

    <https://blogsystem5.substack.com/p/the-ides-we-had-30-years-ago-and>

    Thanks, was an interesting article.

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