• Re: Am I the only one sick of "modern" desktops?

    From Ander GM@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 17 21:11:02 2023
    Well, I use Emacs and that's the opposite of not-customizing, but not
    for eye candy, but for functionality.

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  • From voyager55@21:1/5 to Ander GM on Tue May 23 13:42:26 2023
    On 5/17/2023 3:11:05 PM, Ander GM wrote:
    Well, I use Emacs and that's the opposite of not-customizing, but not
    for eye candy, but for functionality.


    You're definitely not the only one...but I think the issue goes way deeper.

    Back in the 1980s, a LOT of research was done to find the right balance of functionality and usability for computers. At the time, people were moving from 'not-computers' to 'computers', so they needed to do the job *way* better than the existing methods. IBM-compatible desktops cost some $3,000-$5,000 at the time, so it was the sort of sale that really needed to have functionality front-and-center.

    Over the next 40 years, UIs got better looking and, in general, better usability
    (though Snapchat's "secret UI" situation is a mess, and the absence of text labels is a terrible direction). This has certainly been a good thing (This is a
    mess: http://www.graphpaper.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bru_main_screen.jpg), but
    while letting developers make UIs without any oversight ends up with an ugly, undesirable mess, letting UI/UX people turn software into an art project that lacks the sort of consistent cues and elements needed to make software discoverable is an equally terrible extreme (https://chromeunboxed.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/launcherWithBlur.png?ezimgfmt=ngcb93/notWebP).

    Command line interface programs certainly do not have to be pretty, but there is
    certainly room for improvement without needing a GUI overlay. We can easily talk
    about Synaptic Package Manager. Recently I attempted to do an upgrade for something and it required me to accept that there was a version change. Well, it
    gave me something I could copy/paste into Google and get moving, but under the circumstances, the better solution would be to say something like "this repository has a significant version change, so any updates from this repository
    will not be added automatically. To update applications from this repository, run
    this command again with the "--allow-releaseinfo-change" argument." . Save me the
    Google search for such a consistent behavior.

    Overall, I agree that desktop environments seem to be trending into either one extreme or the other. Either the UI is reflective of a room full of artists and no users (Windows 11, MacOS 11, recent KDE iterations), or it's a set of developers who are optimizing for the machine, rather than the person (Openbox).
    I think LXDE and XFCE have a reasonable middle ground, but where most Linux desktop environments seem to falter is in their system config panels. For all of
    the faults of Windows, changing the screen resolution and wallpaper are fairly easy to get to and intuitively so. Moving shortcuts from the Start Menu to the Desktop, while a regression in Windows 11, is way easier to do in Win9x-10 than it seems to be in most DEs.

    ..All of that being said, I would love nothing more than to be able to run KDE or XFCE on Windows...let me use a Linux UI with a Windows backend and I will be happy. Sadly, no such love, and I do understand why.

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  • From Michael P. O'Connor@21:1/5 to Ander GM on Tue Jun 13 11:19:26 2023
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 21:11:02 +0200, Ander GM wrote:

    Well, I use Emacs and that's the opposite of not-customizing, but not
    for eye candy, but for functionality.

    I agree the modern UI's suck. I been using the same .fvwmrc file since
    97, I found a setup that works for me back then, and with minor changes
    over the years, it still the same interface I have used since 97. Also
    Emacs is my editor of choice still.

    --Michael

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Michael P. O'Connor on Sun Jun 18 10:54:57 2023
    On 6/13/23 4:19 AM, Michael P. O'Connor wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 21:11:02 +0200, Ander GM wrote:

    Well, I use Emacs and that's the opposite of not-customizing, but not
    for eye candy, but for functionality.

    I agree the modern UI's suck. I been using the same .fvwmrc file since
    97, I found a setup that works for me back then, and with minor changes
    over the years, it still the same interface I have used since 97.

    I chose fvwm95 -- it was more completely configured than fvwm and I'm
    still lazy. I edit the .fvwm95rc by hand, but I think later versions
    offer some sort of GUI-thing to do it. Too much trouble to look...

    Also Emacs is my editor of choice still.

    I started using pico when I used tin and pine. Did I mention something
    about laziness?


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    Cheers, Bev
    Ride faster, I hear banjo music!

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