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Feed: The Register
Title: No more feature updates for Windows 10 – current version is final Author: Dan Robinson
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 14:59:15 -0400
Link: https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2023/04/28/no_more_updates_for_windows_10/

Shift off to Win 11 now, go on... better hope your biz is giving out fresh hardware

Windows 10 is reaching the end of the road, with the current release – version
22H2 – confirmed as the final one, and support for the platform is scheduled to
end on October 14, 2025.…



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scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> wrote:

Nice thought - no more unwanted changes. However, it's not good news for
those whose equipment cannot run Windows 11.

...especially given the arbitrariness of the cutoff. I have Win11 running
at home on a weedy little Rock Pi X (a Raspberry Pi-sized board with an
Intel Atom x5-Z8300), but at work, we just turfed a bunch of much more powerful 6th- and 7th-gen Core i5s and Core i7s on which Win11 refused to
run (some 7th-gen machines were coaxed into running it with the registry hacks that are out there).

It really is amazing that M$ are getting away with such blatant
planned obsolescence. The fact that Windows installations get
slower and slower over time was a subtle thing, but the TPM2
requirement is such an obvious anti-consumer move that I'm a
little surprised that they haven't had to back down by this point.

Still, it might make buying fast used PCs to run Linux on a lot
cheaper, if the old computers don't all go straight to the bin on
the assumption that nobody at all would want them.

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Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

On 2023-05-10, Bob Henson wrote:

nothing in the world of computing is compatible anyway. If you are into
gaming or video editing, forget it. If you are wanting to use it for
business use, forget it - the real world uses Microsoft Office.

Surprisingly enough, LibreOffice is better at reading differing MSOffice formats than MSOffice is (although now that it's all the subscription to o365, maybe this has changed).

The web version of Office 365 should run in Linux anyway.

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scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> wrote:

Nice thought - no more unwanted changes. However, it's not good news for
those whose equipment cannot run Windows 11.

...especially given the arbitrariness of the cutoff. I have Win11 running
at home on a weedy little Rock Pi X (a Raspberry Pi-sized board with an
Intel Atom x5-Z8300)

...and upon further checking, it turns out that this box is still on Win10,
not Win11. The arbitrariness of the cutoff still stands, though.

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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:

scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> wrote:

Nice thought - no more unwanted changes. However, it's not good news for >>> those whose equipment cannot run Windows 11.

...especially given the arbitrariness of the cutoff. I have Win11 running >> at home on a weedy little Rock Pi X (a Raspberry Pi-sized board with an
Intel Atom x5-Z8300), but at work, we just turfed a bunch of much more
powerful 6th- and 7th-gen Core i5s and Core i7s on which Win11 refused to
run (some 7th-gen machines were coaxed into running it with the registry
hacks that are out there).

It really is amazing that M$ are getting away with such blatant
planned obsolescence.

Sadly, the smartphone marketplace has /taught/ many consumers that a
$1k computer should be replaced as obsolete every 2 years, just
because the manufacturer says so.

Now, the fact that replace every two years provides a /guaranteed
sales/ treadmill to the manufacturer never seems to get mentioned.

The fact that Windows installations get slower and slower over time
was a subtle thing, but the TPM2 requirement is such an obvious
anti-consumer move that I'm a little surprised that they haven't had
to back down by this point.

They'd only have had to back down if most of their target consumers
balked at the requirement. But as many of them do periodic refreshes
of perfectly good hardware anyway (businesses) and as the smartphone
market has taught a whole bunch of newer consumers that quick
replacement is in their best interest, their target consumers aren't
balking.

Still, it might make buying fast used PCs to run Linux on a lot
cheaper, if the old computers don't all go straight to the bin on the assumption that nobody at all would want them.

Sadly, those who are windows centric will likely bin them believing
they are of no use if they can't run win11. But most businesses that
do these refreshes unload the stock onto a wholesaler/recycler, so
there will still likely be a healthy supply of used ebay PC's to pick
through.

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Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:

scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> wrote:

Nice thought - no more unwanted changes. However, it's not good news for >>>> those whose equipment cannot run Windows 11.

...especially given the arbitrariness of the cutoff. I have Win11 running >>> at home on a weedy little Rock Pi X (a Raspberry Pi-sized board with an
Intel Atom x5-Z8300), but at work, we just turfed a bunch of much more
powerful 6th- and 7th-gen Core i5s and Core i7s on which Win11 refused to >>> run (some 7th-gen machines were coaxed into running it with the registry >>> hacks that are out there).

It really is amazing that M$ are getting away with such blatant
planned obsolescence.

Sadly, the smartphone marketplace has /taught/ many consumers that a
$1k computer should be replaced as obsolete every 2 years, just
because the manufacturer says so.

Yeah, I guess so. Next maybe they'll say that Win12 won't run on
computers in a case that's an unfashionable colour, and we'll see
whether those people accept that too.

[snip]

Still, it might make buying fast used PCs to run Linux on a lot
cheaper, if the old computers don't all go straight to the bin on the
assumption that nobody at all would want them.

Sadly, those who are windows centric will likely bin them believing
they are of no use if they can't run win11. But most businesses that
do these refreshes unload the stock onto a wholesaler/recycler, so
there will still likely be a healthy supply of used ebay PC's to pick through.

But those "recycler" businesses probably won't drop the prices
below their existing thresholds for what's worth selling for them
to recover their costs. Mind you, some might get desperate if
they're about to get a whole lot of systems that their usual market
isn't interested in. Another "recycling" industry about to collapse
maybe?

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On Wed, 10 May 2023 18:35:35 +0100
Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> wrote:

If I were getting a laptop and didn't want to use it for any business
purpose or for gaming, I would be tempted to go down the Chromebox
route, so long as I could find one (I'm sure there is one) with a big
enough screen at a low enough price.

A chromeBOX is a mini desktop; you can plug it into just about any
monitor you like. I've had mine hooked up to the TV for some things. A chromeBOOK on the other hand, is a laptop, with the usual caveats. The chromebooks I've seen typically have lousy keyboards, which matters to
me. I use my chromebox with a fancy Logitech bluetooth keyboard.

Ebay and friends have them for cheap. Have fun.

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On 12.5.23 2:32 am, Retrograde wrote:

On Wed, 10 May 2023 18:35:35 +0100
Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> wrote:

If I were getting a laptop and didn't want to use it for any business
purpose or for gaming, I would be tempted to go down the Chromebox
route, so long as I could find one (I'm sure there is one) with a big
enough screen at a low enough price.

A chromeBOX is a mini desktop; you can plug it into just about any
monitor you like. I've had mine hooked up to the TV for some things. A chromeBOOK on the other hand, is a laptop, with the usual caveats. The chromebooks I've seen typically have lousy keyboards, which matters to
me. I use my chromebox with a fancy Logitech bluetooth keyboard.

Ebay and friends have them for cheap. Have fun.

Sorry, I wrongly read the original as "Chromebook" - I'd never heard of
a Chromebox. It's the Chromebook that I would consider buying. If I
needed Chrome O/S I'd run it under Windows on my desktop.


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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:

Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:

scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:

Bob Henson <bob.henson@outlook.com> wrote:

Nice thought - no more unwanted changes. However, it's not good
news for those whose equipment cannot run Windows 11.

...especially given the arbitrariness of the cutoff. I have Win11
running at home on a weedy little Rock Pi X (a Raspberry Pi-sized
board with an Intel Atom x5-Z8300), but at work, we just turfed a
bunch of much more powerful 6th- and 7th-gen Core i5s and Core i7s
on which Win11 refused to run (some 7th-gen machines were coaxed
into running it with the registry hacks that are out there).

It really is amazing that M$ are getting away with such blatant
planned obsolescence.

Sadly, the smartphone marketplace has /taught/ many consumers that a
$1k computer should be replaced as obsolete every 2 years, just
because the manufacturer says so.

Yeah, I guess so. Next maybe they'll say that Win12 won't run on
computers in a case that's an unfashionable colour, and we'll see
whether those people accept that too.

Given that MS once trained an entire generation of folks that 12 blue-screens-of-death daily, and a reboot nightly, was perfectly normal
and expected of computers and I'd bet they could train an entire group
that their computers exterior color was incompatible with windows and
many would accept it.

[snip]

Still, it might make buying fast used PCs to run Linux on a lot
cheaper, if the old computers don't all go straight to the bin on
the assumption that nobody at all would want them.

Sadly, those who are windows centric will likely bin them believing
they are of no use if they can't run win11. But most businesses
that do these refreshes unload the stock onto a wholesaler/recycler,
so there will still likely be a healthy supply of used ebay PC's to
pick through.

But those "recycler" businesses probably won't drop the prices below
their existing thresholds for what's worth selling for them to
recover their costs.

That is the risk. But given that these same recyclers would likely
have to pay outright to send them to the landfill vs getting something
off an ebay sale, that threshold is likely lower than one might
realize. Every ebay sale begins by saving $X cost to otherwise
dispose.

Mind you, some might get desperate if they're about to get a whole
lot of systems that their usual market isn't interested in. Another "recycling" industry about to collapse maybe?

I'd guess no. I estimate their costs are likely lower than one might
think, when factoring in saving the actual cost of tippage to dispose
of the items outright.

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Title: No more feature updates for Windows 10 current version is final

Win10 already has too many features already! What I want is something that
can run Win10 binaries without so many damn features.
--scott
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