• what was your longest-lived PC?

    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 12:57:11 2023
    From the «typed this on my C-64» department:
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    Title: Ask Slashdot: What Was Your Longest-Lived PC?
    Author: EditorDavid
    Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2023 03:34:00 -0400
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    Replacing their main machine, long-time Slashdot reader shanen had a sobering thought. "Considering how many years it's lasted and adding that number to my own age, I wouldn't want to bet on who will outlast which." And this prompted a look back at all the computers used over a lifetime: I've purchased at least 15 personal computers over the decades. Might be more like 20 and couldn't even count how many company computers I've used for various classes and work. Then there were the computer labs filled with my students. But this ultimately led them to two questions for Slashdot's readers: (1) What was the brand of your longest-lived PC? (2) What is the brand of your latest PC and how long do you expect it to last? Some answers have already been posted on the original submission. I think the longest-lasting computer that I used on a daily basis as
    my main device was a Lenovo ThinkPad R500. I bought it in 2010 and used it until
    2019. It still worked when I retired it, but it was getting a bit slow. The longest lived was a PDP11/34A. Made in the late 70s or early 80s, it was still running when I sold it in 2005. Did a couple of component-level repairs, and I reckon there's every chance that it still runs today. Not sure if it counts as "personal" though. I have a polycarbonate Macbook from 2007 still going strong, so I guess that makes the answer "Apple". There's also an interesting story about a long-running server from days gone. But what's your own answer to the question? Share your own stories in the comments. What was the brand of your longest-lived PC — and how long do you expect your current PC to last?

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Tue Apr 4 07:08:29 2023
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    From the <<typed this on my C-64>> department:
    Feed: Slashdot
    Title: Ask Slashdot: What Was Your Longest-Lived PC?
    Author: EditorDavid
    Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2023 03:34:00 -0400
    Link: https://ask.slashdot.org/story/23/04/02/0058226/ask-slashdot-what-was-your-longest-lived-pc?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

    The trouble with these "which brand lasts longest" questions is
    that if you apply them practically to selecting new models, you
    run into the problem that most consumer brands change ownership
    and/or strategy so often that by the time one of their models has
    lasted a long time, their current models could be built to a
    different standard anyway.

    For example I could say my IBM-made Thinkpad, which I still use
    often, but of course now the Thinkpad brand is owned by Lenovo,
    so that says little in favour of buying a new Thinkpad today.

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  • From Rich@21:1/5 to Computer Nerd Kev on Mon Apr 3 21:40:10 2023
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
    The trouble with these "which brand lasts longest" questions is that
    if you apply them practically to selecting new models, you run into
    the problem that most consumer brands change ownership and/or
    strategy so often that by the time one of their models has lasted a
    long time, their current models could be built to a different
    standard anyway.

    These types of questions are also ripe for running smack into
    "survivorship bias". The oldest PC anyone has running is the one it
    is because all the others that failed are no longer running. But that
    does not say /why/ that given unit is still running. And yes,
    products, components, etc. change so rapidly that an ancedote of a
    brand X still running after Y years says nothing about a new brand X's lifetime.

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Tue Apr 4 12:12:20 2023
    On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 12:59:04 +0100, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

    On 04/04/2023 12:49, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I'm still using the PC I bought in the 1980s. That is to say, there's
    never been a time when I replaced everything part at once.

    Sylvia.

    Over here, that's known as a Trigger's Broom....

    And before that, a grandfather's axe...

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 21:49:21 2023
    I'm still using the PC I bought in the 1980s. That is to say, there's
    never been a time when I replaced everything part at once.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Tue Apr 4 12:59:04 2023
    On 04/04/2023 12:49, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I'm still using the PC I bought in the 1980s. That is to say, there's
    never been a time when I replaced everything part at once.

    Sylvia.

    Over here, that's known as a Trigger's Broom....

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  • From Adrian@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Tue Apr 4 14:16:09 2023
    In message <u0bu37$2ug5v$1@solani.org>, Retrograde
    <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> writes
    From the 0 >Feed: Slashdot
    Title: Ask Slashdot: What Was Your Longest-Lived PC?
    Author: EditorDavid
    Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2023 03:34:00 -0400
    Link: >https://ask.slashdot.org/story/23/04/02/0058226/ask-slashdot-what-was-yo >ur-longest-lived-pc?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed


    Up until late last year, I was regularly using a PC that I bought in
    spring 2002. Apart from replacing the disk (the original crashed), and
    adding more memory, it is as bought. Not sure if it will get used
    again, even Linux is starting to struggle on it. It currently acts as a
    stand for my scanner.

    Adrian
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  • From Rich@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Tue Apr 4 14:29:39 2023
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    I'm still using the PC I bought in the 1980s. That is to say, there's
    never been a time when I replaced everything part at once.

    So it is a Ship of Theseus?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Adrian on Wed Apr 5 08:22:20 2023
    Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:

    Up until late last year, I was regularly using a PC that I bought in
    spring 2002. Apart from replacing the disk (the original crashed), and adding more memory, it is as bought. Not sure if it will get used
    again, even Linux is starting to struggle on it.

    For the Pentium 1 PC that I'm posting from now, I just stuck with
    an old version of Linux (2.4). It's still fine for things like
    emails and Usenet. It also dual boots to DOS and Win98 for running
    old software that interfaces with various parallel port and ISA
    hardware devices. The floppy drive became unreliable a few years
    ago but I mainly exchange files via NFS in Linux (still compatible
    with NFS v3 in modern Linux kernels), so it's not much trouble even
    though there's no USB.

    I have had to compile some encryption-related software myself for
    email and SSH, and incoming connections from the internet are
    of course blocked for security.

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  • From Adrian@21:1/5 to not@telling.you.invalid on Tue Apr 4 23:36:41 2023
    In message <642ca31c@news.ausics.net>, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> writes
    Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:

    Up until late last year, I was regularly using a PC that I bought in
    spring 2002. Apart from replacing the disk (the original crashed), and
    adding more memory, it is as bought. Not sure if it will get used
    again, even Linux is starting to struggle on it.

    For the Pentium 1 PC that I'm posting from now, I just stuck with
    an old version of Linux (2.4). It's still fine for things like
    emails and Usenet. It also dual boots to DOS and Win98 for running
    old software that interfaces with various parallel port and ISA
    hardware devices. The floppy drive became unreliable a few years
    ago but I mainly exchange files via NFS in Linux (still compatible
    with NFS v3 in modern Linux kernels), so it's not much trouble even
    though there's no USB.


    That one is a Pentium II (I can't remember exactly which one). It is
    running an old version of Ubuntu, but it won't update anymore, and (unfortunately), it updated Firefox to a version that won't run on it.
    It was mainly used in recent times for SSHing into various RPis.

    It was originally a Win XP machine, and with that, accessing the 3.5"
    floppy was possible, but under Ubuntu, I was never able to access that
    or the 5.25" that I later fitted. I've now destroyed all the floppies I
    had (the 5.25" floppies hadn't been accessed in over 20 years), so that
    is no longer an issue.

    One of these years, I'll work out if I can change the mother board to
    something more modern.

    Adrian
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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Adrian on Wed Apr 5 09:11:12 2023
    Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:
    In message <642ca31c@news.ausics.net>, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> writes

    Up until late last year, I was regularly using a PC that I bought in
    spring 2002. Apart from replacing the disk (the original crashed), and
    adding more memory, it is as bought. Not sure if it will get used
    again, even Linux is starting to struggle on it.

    Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:
    For the Pentium 1 PC that I'm posting from now, I just stuck with
    an old version of Linux (2.4). It's still fine for things like
    emails and Usenet.

    That one is a Pentium II (I can't remember exactly which one). It is
    running an old version of Ubuntu, but it won't update anymore, and (unfortunately), it updated Firefox to a version that won't run on it.

    Yes modern web browsing is out, but I actually like being cut off
    from the modern web while using this PC. Websites that won't work
    at all in lightweight web browsers are usually annoying in other
    ways anyway, and better left for later (or ignored completely,
    where possible).

    It was mainly used in recent times for SSHing into various RPis.

    I usually set a Telnet server running on RPis to future-proof both
    ends against SSH encryption method depreciations. Only because I'm
    only ever accessing them within a LAN though, I wouldn't risk it
    over the internet.

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