• Lexar flash drive misinfo

    From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 2 16:46:19 2023
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I
    write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file
    system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    What a con.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Jan 2 09:29:44 2023
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I
    write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file
    system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    What a con.

    Their website says “some of the listed storage capacity is used for formatting and other purposes and is not available for data storage”,
    but really, they should be advertizing no more than the available
    capacity.

    What size does lsblk -b claim?

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  • From Johann Klammer@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Jan 2 10:21:25 2023
    On 01/02/2023 06:46 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    What a con.

    Sylvia.
    known issue. same as with harddrives.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Richard Kettlewell on Mon Jan 2 21:57:00 2023
    On 02-Jan-23 8:29 pm, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I
    write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file
    system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    What a con.

    Their website says “some of the listed storage capacity is used for formatting and other purposes and is not available for data storage”,
    but really, they should be advertizing no more than the available
    capacity.

    What size does lsblk -b claim?


    Exactly the number I got, so at least it's not lying about that (I
    believe some questionable drives on Ebay do lie).

    Sylvia.

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Jan 2 10:32:24 2023
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    With 1 K = 1024, 1 M = 1024 K, and 1 G = 1024 M,
    61865984000 bytes are approximately 57 Gbytes.

    What a con.

    Still, a real con, to me, would have less
    than advertised by an order of magnitude.
    I'm willing to give them some leeway.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Mon Jan 2 15:31:06 2023
    Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    With 1 K = 1024, 1 M = 1024 K, and 1 G = 1024 M,
    61865984000 bytes are approximately 57 Gbytes.

    The manufacturer is almost certainly referring to 64,000,000,000 bytes ie 64 gigabytes, not 64 gibibytes.

    What a con.

    Still, a real con, to me, would have less
    than advertised by an order of magnitude.
    I'm willing to give them some leeway.

    I heard somebody took this up with the local 'weights and measures' people
    and got some interest, but don't know the outcome nor the powers that they have.

    (in areas like food packaging, the allowed tolerance on weight is -0% +infinity%: you're allowed to deliver more product than the indicated
    weight, but you aren't allowed to deliver any less)

    Theo

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Tue Jan 3 07:32:13 2023
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    On 02-Jan-23 8:29 pm, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
    What size does lsblk -b claim?

    Exactly the number I got, so at least it's not lying about that (I
    believe some questionable drives on Ebay do lie).

    I once bought one of the cheapest Chinese memory sticks (or "flash
    drives", if my terminology still drives people here crazy) from
    Aliexpress. It was something like 128MB, in a multiple-choice
    listing so that the price would sort as the lowest in search
    results, but stepped up a lot once you selected any of the other,
    much larger, capacities.

    I thought if it worked, at the price it might be handy to buy a
    few of them, because I usually only want to use them with files
    that are a few MB big. It arrived formatted, and software claimed
    the advertised capacity, so I attempted to write a small file to it
    (something under 1MB, I think it was a text file), and got a write
    error. After that I was never able to even read anything from it
    (not even the empty partition) again.

    It's tempting to wonder whether it actually has a flash chip in it
    at all, but it's super-glued into its case so disassembly would be
    very hard. At least I got a refund without any fuss.

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  • From Bob Eager@21:1/5 to Computer Nerd Kev on Mon Jan 2 23:46:23 2023
    On Tue, 03 Jan 2023 07:32:13 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
    On 02-Jan-23 8:29 pm, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
    What size does lsblk -b claim?

    Exactly the number I got, so at least it's not lying about that (I
    believe some questionable drives on Ebay do lie).

    I once bought one of the cheapest Chinese memory sticks (or "flash
    drives", if my terminology still drives people here crazy) from
    Aliexpress. It was something like 128MB, in a multiple-choice listing so
    that the price would sort as the lowest in search results, but stepped
    up a lot once you selected any of the other, much larger, capacities.

    I thought if it worked, at the price it might be handy to buy a few of
    them, because I usually only want to use them with files that are a few
    MB big. It arrived formatted, and software claimed the advertised
    capacity, so I attempted to write a small file to it (something under
    1MB, I think it was a text file), and got a write error. After that I
    was never able to even read anything from it (not even the empty
    partition) again.

    It's tempting to wonder whether it actually has a flash chip in it at
    all, but it's super-glued into its case so disassembly would be very
    hard. At least I got a refund without any fuss.

    I saw a picture of one that contained nothing but the cut off stub of a
    USB cable.



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  • From scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us@21:1/5 to Richard Kettlewell on Tue Jan 3 17:24:39 2023
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I
    write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file
    system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    Their website says “some of the listed storage capacity is used for formatting and other purposes and is not available for data storage”,
    but really, they should be advertizing no more than the available
    capacity.

    But wouldn't that vary somewhat according to the filesystem put on it? They could perhaps base it on whatever filesystem (usually FAT32 or exFAT) they
    put on it. All filesystems store some metadata about files, but some will
    be more efficient about how they do it. (Already, I can see one way
    FAT-type filesystems would have a leg up on the competition: they store no file-ownership information.)

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us on Tue Jan 3 13:13:18 2023
    scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I
    write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file
    system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    Their website says “some of the listed storage capacity is used for
    formatting and other purposes and is not available for data storage”,
    but really, they should be advertizing no more than the available
    capacity.

    But wouldn't that vary somewhat according to the filesystem put on it? They could perhaps base it on whatever filesystem (usually FAT32 or exFAT) they put on it. All filesystems store some metadata about files, but some will
    be more efficient about how they do it. (Already, I can see one way
    FAT-type filesystems would have a leg up on the competition: they store no file-ownership information.)


    I have the box from a 1TB USB HD sitting here. On the back in small
    print it says,
    "One Terabyte [TB] means one trillion bytes. Total available capacity
    will vary based on operating environment, and your results and storage
    capacity will vary accordingly."

    Which seems to cover all these bases.
    Dave

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Dave Yeo on Wed Jan 4 08:38:49 2023
    On 04-Jan-23 8:13 am, Dave Yeo wrote:
    scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I
    write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file
    system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    Their website says “some of the listed storage capacity is used for
    formatting and other purposes and is not available for data storage”,
    but really, they should be advertizing no more than the available
    capacity.

    But wouldn't that vary somewhat according to the filesystem put on
    it?  They
    could perhaps base it on whatever filesystem (usually FAT32 or exFAT)
    they
    put on it.  All filesystems store some metadata about files, but some
    will
    be more efficient about how they do it.  (Already, I can see one way
    FAT-type filesystems would have a leg up on the competition: they
    store no
    file-ownership information.)


    I have the box from a 1TB USB HD sitting here. On the back in small
    print it says,
    "One Terabyte [TB] means one trillion bytes. Total available capacity
    will vary based on operating environment, and your results and storage capacity will vary accordingly."

    Which seems to cover all these bases.
    Dave

    I don't think it covers a base where achieving the stated capacity is impossible.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us on Wed Jan 4 08:35:27 2023
    On 04-Jan-23 4:24 am, scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I
    write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file
    system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    Their website says “some of the listed storage capacity is used for
    formatting and other purposes and is not available for data storage”,
    but really, they should be advertizing no more than the available
    capacity.

    But wouldn't that vary somewhat according to the filesystem put on it? They could perhaps base it on whatever filesystem (usually FAT32 or exFAT) they put on it. All filesystems store some metadata about files, but some will
    be more efficient about how they do it. (Already, I can see one way
    FAT-type filesystems would have a leg up on the competition: they store no file-ownership information.)


    While its true the the total size of files that can be put on a drive
    depends on the filesystem, that's a user's choice (well, in theory
    anyway). It doesn't alter the underlying data capacity, which is what I
    was measuring, and I could, if I were so minded, use that entire
    capacity to store my data, if I do without partitions and file systems.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@21:1/5 to scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us on Tue Jan 3 21:58:04 2023
    scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us writes:
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> writes:
    I grew suspicious of the capacity of my Lexar 64GB flash drive, so I
    write raw data to it until it was full (i.e. no partitions, no file
    system). Took nearly five hours.

    Total data written 61865984000 bytes.

    Their website says “some of the listed storage capacity is used for
    formatting and other purposes and is not available for data storage”,
    but really, they should be advertizing no more than the available
    capacity.

    But wouldn't that vary somewhat according to the filesystem put on it?

    No. We’re talking about the total number of bytes that can be written to
    the drive.

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