• Current Status of Pegasus

    From Euler German@21:1/5 to Dor on Sat Apr 29 14:52:57 2017
    On article <_34NA.11338$4a5.1223@fx01.iad>, Dor wrote:


    Is Pegasus still in develpment?

    Yes! Here's author last statement:

    http://www.pmail.com/devnews.htm

    --
    Kind regards,
    Euler German

    Please, reply preferably to the list.
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  • From Dor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 29 17:29:30 2017
    Is Pegasus still in develpment?

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  • From Nil@21:1/5 to Dor on Sun Apr 30 02:58:42 2017
    On 29 Apr 2017, Dor <forusenetonly@optimum.net> wrote in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows:

    Is Pegasus still in develpment?

    Probably. The author David Harris is still talking about new
    developments and refinements, but no ETA has been mentioned. I expect
    it will happen eventually, but if there's anything in particular that
    is is bugging you... don't hold your breath until it's (possibly)
    fixed.

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  • From Dor@21:1/5 to Nil on Sun Apr 30 16:09:20 2017
    On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 02:58:42 -0400, Nil wrote:

    On 29 Apr 2017, Dor <forusenetonly@optimum.net> wrote in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows:

    Is Pegasus still in develpment?

    Probably. The author David Harris is still talking about new
    developments and refinements, but no ETA has been mentioned. I expect it
    will happen eventually, but if there's anything in particular that is is bugging you... don't hold your breath until it's (possibly) fixed.

    I was more curious than anticipating. I'm learning Linux (and all new programs) but plan on keeping one Windows notebook current - just in
    case. It's a shame that Pegasus didn't provide enough income for it to
    be a full time job. As good as it is, imagine how much better it could
    have been if it had a full time development team.

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  • From Ray_Net@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 1 01:09:55 2017
    In article <Q_nNA.37589$1w7.7728@fx19.iad>, forusenetonly@optimum.net
    says...

    On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 02:58:42 -0400, Nil wrote:

    On 29 Apr 2017, Dor <forusenetonly@optimum.net> wrote in comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows:

    Is Pegasus still in develpment?

    Probably. The author David Harris is still talking about new
    developments and refinements, but no ETA has been mentioned. I expect it will happen eventually, but if there's anything in particular that is is bugging you... don't hold your breath until it's (possibly) fixed.

    I was more curious than anticipating. I'm learning Linux (and all new programs) but plan on keeping one Windows notebook current - just in
    case. It's a shame that Pegasus didn't provide enough income for it to
    be a full time job. As good as it is, imagine how much better it could
    have been if it had a full time development team.

    If he had a full time development team, Pegasus will stop to be free.

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  • From Evertjan.@21:1/5 to Ray_Net@picarre.be on Mon May 1 01:15:11 2017
    Ray_Net <Ray_Net@picarre.be> wrote on 01 May 2017 in comp.mail.pegasus- mail.ms-windows:

    If he had a full time development team, Pegasus will stop to be free.

    ... would ...

    There are degrees of freedom.

    --
    Evertjan.
    The Netherlands.
    (Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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  • From Dor@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 30 23:38:11 2017
    On Mon, 01 May 2017 01:09:55 +0200, Ray_Net wrote:

    If he had a full time development team, Pegasus will stop to be free.

    So? I contributed by purchasing a manual. Have you? Not everything is
    free; not everything should be free; not everything must be free.

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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 1 12:24:09 2017
    On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:38:11 GMT, Dor <forusenetonly@optimum.net>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 01 May 2017 01:09:55 +0200, Ray_Net wrote:

    If he had a full time development team, Pegasus will stop to be free.

    So? I contributed by purchasing a manual. Have you? Not everything is >free; not everything should be free; not everything must be free.


    David Harris insists on it being free, insists on being sole developer
    and insists on rigidly sticking to RFCs which hinder useability.

    He has unfortunately underestimated the amount of effort required to
    totally rewrite a feature rich product and with a world of mobile
    phone apps and interconnectivity I fear he's going to be so far behind
    by the time he does (if he ever does) finish that the result will be a disappointment, though I hope I'm wrong.

    I've used Pegasus for 25+ years, going back to Novell networking days
    and it is still my main, but not only, email client. Reliable IMAP is
    becoming more important for me and that leads to Thunderbird and apps
    on Android.

    His April statement on progress is at:

    http://www.pmail.com/devnews.htm



    --
    AnthonyL

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  • From Eric Demeester@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 1 14:40:42 2017
    Dor (Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:38:11 GMT
    - comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows) :

    So? I contributed by purchasing a manual. Have you?

    So did I, 20 years ago :)

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  • From Dor@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Mon May 1 13:55:26 2017
    On Mon, 01 May 2017 12:24:09 +0000, AnthonyL wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:38:11 GMT, Dor <forusenetonly@optimum.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 01 May 2017 01:09:55 +0200, Ray_Net wrote:

    If he had a full time development team, Pegasus will stop to be free.

    So? I contributed by purchasing a manual. Have you? Not everything is
    free; not everything should be free; not everything must be free.


    David Harris insists on it being free, insists on being sole developer
    and insists on rigidly sticking to RFCs which hinder useability.

    Yet he asks for "contributions" and includes a mechanism within the
    program itself for making contributions. There was also an attempt to
    create a "club" of yearly contributors. These are voluntary payments so Pegasus can be advertised as free. However, it is misleading to claim
    that DH insists on it being free without mentioning the above 2 points.

    He has unfortunately underestimated the amount of effort required to
    totally rewrite a feature rich product and with a world of mobile phone
    apps and interconnectivity I fear he's going to be so far behind by the
    time he does (if he ever does) finish that the result will be a disappointment, though I hope I'm wrong.

    A new version of Pegasus won't be for new users. It will be for long term Pegasus users who are accustomed to the way Pegasus works and prefer it to
    the way any other email client works. Subtle differences in layout,
    sorting, keystroke combinations and functionality are important to
    people. Some users (like myself) who have moved on will also try out a
    new version just to see what it's like. As you suggested, new users do
    email on their phones; some (perhaps most) on web interfaces.

    I've used Pegasus for 25+ years, going back to Novell networking days
    and it is still my main, but not only, email client. Reliable IMAP is becoming more important for me and that leads to Thunderbird and apps on Android.

    So even some experienced long term users may not go back to Pegasus.

    Which brings me back to my original point: it is a shame that a program
    as good as Pegasus wasn't kept current.

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  • From Ray_Net@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 3 23:51:57 2017
    In article <DzuNA.189965$7%3.82684@fx33.iad>,
    forusenetonly@optimum.net says...

    On Mon, 01 May 2017 01:09:55 +0200, Ray_Net wrote:

    If he had a full time development team, Pegasus will stop to be free.

    So? I contributed by purchasing a manual. Have you? Not everything is free; not everything should be free; not everything must be free.

    You are true.

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  • From Noah Sombrero@21:1/5 to Ray_Net@picarre.be on Mon Apr 9 10:45:29 2018
    On Mon, 1 May 2017 01:09:55 +0200, Ray_Net <Ray_Net@picarre.be> wrote:

    In article <Q_nNA.37589$1w7.7728@fx19.iad>, forusenetonly@optimum.net
    says...

    On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 02:58:42 -0400, Nil wrote:

    On 29 Apr 2017, Dor <forusenetonly@optimum.net> wrote in
    comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows:

    Is Pegasus still in develpment?

    Probably. The author David Harris is still talking about new
    developments and refinements, but no ETA has been mentioned. I expect it >> > will happen eventually, but if there's anything in particular that is is >> > bugging you... don't hold your breath until it's (possibly) fixed.

    I was more curious than anticipating. I'm learning Linux (and all new
    programs) but plan on keeping one Windows notebook current - just in
    case. It's a shame that Pegasus didn't provide enough income for it to
    be a full time job. As good as it is, imagine how much better it could
    have been if it had a full time development team.

    If he had a full time development team, Pegasus will stop to be free.

    Also stop being the child of David's imagination. Teams produce
    things like Thunderbird.

    Noah Sombrero

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  • From David Solimano@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 10 23:18:17 2018
    On Mon, 09 Apr 2018 10:45:29 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 1 May 2017 01:09:55 +0200, Ray_Net <Ray_Net@picarre.be> wrote:

    In article <Q_nNA.37589$1w7.7728@fx19.iad>, forusenetonly@optimum.net >>says...

    On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 02:58:42 -0400, Nil wrote:

    On 29 Apr 2017, Dor <forusenetonly@optimum.net> wrote in
    comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows:

    Is Pegasus still in develpment?

    Probably. The author David Harris is still talking about new
    developments and refinements, but no ETA has been mentioned. I expect it >>> > will happen eventually, but if there's anything in particular that is is >>> > bugging you... don't hold your breath until it's (possibly) fixed.

    I was more curious than anticipating. I'm learning Linux (and all new
    programs) but plan on keeping one Windows notebook current - just in
    case. It's a shame that Pegasus didn't provide enough income for it to
    be a full time job. As good as it is, imagine how much better it could
    have been if it had a full time development team.

    If he had a full time development team, Pegasus will stop to be free.

    Also stop being the child of David's imagination. Teams produce
    things like Thunderbird.

    Noah Sombrero

    I will say, it's unfortunate there hasn't been a development update in
    a year.
    --
    David Solimano
    david@solimano.org

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  • From Dave Sergeant@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 11 06:50:51 2018
    In article <oivqcd1r0dui91snbnupa2spvvlj0dshe0@4ax.com>,
    david@solimano.org says...

    I will say, it's unfortunate there hasn't been a development update in
    a year.



    And every time someone asks these sort of questions the usual answer is
    that loads of development is going on and we should expect something
    'soon'. PM v5 has been talked about for well over 5 years now, probably
    back in the Windows XP days, it is that long. The current version
    continues to work but is starting to look dated and usage must be
    declining. It is not yet legacy but not far off.

    Always hopeful...

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  • From AnthonyL@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 11 11:43:56 2018
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 06:50:51 +0100, Dave Sergeant <davews2@sky.com>
    wrote:

    In article <oivqcd1r0dui91snbnupa2spvvlj0dshe0@4ax.com>,
    david@solimano.org says...

    I will say, it's unfortunate there hasn't been a development update in
    a year.



    And every time someone asks these sort of questions the usual answer is
    that loads of development is going on and we should expect something
    'soon'. PM v5 has been talked about for well over 5 years now, probably
    back in the Windows XP days, it is that long. The current version
    continues to work but is starting to look dated and usage must be
    declining. It is not yet legacy but not far off.

    Always hopeful...


    We (running a small software shop) were caught in a similar scenario.
    Over 10 years or more we'd developed and modified a suite of software
    written in Cobol and basically running a DOS (or a DOS window) and in
    1997 with millenium issues arising (dd/mm/yy for all transactions and future/past dates and date differences were needed) we set about
    moving to a Windows platform. As 2000 approached it was clear we were
    not going to be anywhere near finished so attention had to be switched
    to tackling the date issue. The use of 365 byte strings to record the
    state of the record didn't help, nor did the lack of consistent
    library routines due to the way the system had evovled.

    The result was a working legacy system and the delay cost us future
    sales and in the end the software lingered to a slow demise.

    Whist I have every sympathy with David Harris, who is not the best of communicators at any time, I feel that Pegasus is going to have the
    same ending as our software. Even if a new version comes out, well
    it's going to require ongoing support and development - how long is DH
    expected to be up to it?

    Been a Pegasus user since Netware v2 and it is still just about the
    best out there despite cludgy areas.

    --
    AnthonyL

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  • From Euler German@21:1/5 to AnthonyL on Wed Apr 11 12:22:40 2018
    On article <5acdf2a1.13676859@85.214.115.223>, AnthonyL wrote:

    Whist I have every sympathy with David Harris, who is not the best of communicators at any time, I feel that Pegasus is going to have the
    same ending as our software. Even if a new version comes out, well
    it's going to require ongoing support and development - how long is DH expected to be up to it?


    I'm assuming DH may be asking himself if Pegasus Mail is worth the
    effort of a major revamp. If you look at today's mail usage you may
    think it doesn't. The average user looks for a mobile app instead of
    a client so I think it is fair to assume DH is focusing on Mercury
    development much more than on Pegasus'.

    My tuppence.

    --
    Kind regards,
    Euler German

    Please, reply preferably to the list.
    Reply-To: partially ROT13, invalid=com
    Due to spam I'm filtering-out GoogleGroups. Sorry. :(

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 16 04:08:36 2018
    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 06:50:51 +0100, Dave Sergeant <davews2@sky.com>
    wrote:

    In article <oivqcd1r0dui91snbnupa2spvvlj0dshe0@4ax.com>,
    david@solimano.org says...

    I will say, it's unfortunate there hasn't been a development update in
    a year.



    And every time someone asks these sort of questions the usual answer is
    that loads of development is going on and we should expect something
    'soon'. PM v5 has been talked about for well over 5 years now, probably
    back in the Windows XP days, it is that long. The current version
    continues to work but is starting to look dated and usage must be
    declining. It is not yet legacy but not far off.

    Does it matter what it "looks" like?

    Making things "look" up to date usually means adding more bells and
    whistles, not more pistons and cylinders.

    I don't think Pegasus needs a major revamp, just a tweak here or
    there.

    The change I'd most like to see would be a better way of saving
    messages.


    --
    Steve Hayes
    http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Noah Sombrero@21:1/5 to hayesstw@telkomsa.net on Mon Apr 16 09:37:03 2018
    On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 04:08:36 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 06:50:51 +0100, Dave Sergeant <davews2@sky.com>
    wrote:

    In article <oivqcd1r0dui91snbnupa2spvvlj0dshe0@4ax.com>,
    david@solimano.org says...

    I will say, it's unfortunate there hasn't been a development update in
    a year.



    And every time someone asks these sort of questions the usual answer is >>that loads of development is going on and we should expect something >>'soon'. PM v5 has been talked about for well over 5 years now, probably >>back in the Windows XP days, it is that long. The current version
    continues to work but is starting to look dated and usage must be >>declining. It is not yet legacy but not far off.

    Does it matter what it "looks" like?

    In the minds of many people, yes it does. But we know that, of
    course, it really does not matter. Would you drive a brand new BMW
    that looked like a model T?

    Making things "look" up to date usually means adding more bells and
    whistles, not more pistons and cylinders.

    Yes, of course, that is mostly what updates are about. Usually there
    will be a list of fixes for problems that you have never seen. And
    the ones you do see remain.

    I don't think Pegasus needs a major revamp, just a tweak here or
    there.

    My list would be better automatic new message check for IMAP and a
    message flag.

    The change I'd most like to see would be a better way of saving
    messages.

    You sound like a pop3 user. For pop3 users there are many reasonably
    competent email client choices, including Peg. This version of Peg is
    a lot better about interaction with an IMAP server than previous, but
    still not quite there. Poor message check makes it unusable for me.

    Noah Sombrero

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 17 09:43:33 2018
    On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 09:37:03 -0400, Noah Sombrero <fedora@fea.st>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 04:08:36 +0200, Steve Hayes
    Does it matter what it "looks" like?

    In the minds of many people, yes it does. But we know that, of
    course, it really does not matter. Would you drive a brand new BMW
    that looked like a model T?

    I'd rather do that than drive an ancient Model T that looks like a
    BMW, which is what many software developers expect us to do.


    Making things "look" up to date usually means adding more bells and >>whistles, not more pistons and cylinders.

    Yes, of course, that is mostly what updates are about. Usually there
    will be a list of fixes for problems that you have never seen. And
    the ones you do see remain.

    I don't think Pegasus needs a major revamp, just a tweak here or
    there.

    My list would be better automatic new message check for IMAP and a
    message flag.

    The change I'd most like to see would be a better way of saving
    messages.

    You sound like a pop3 user. For pop3 users there are many reasonably >competent email client choices, including Peg. This version of Peg is
    a lot better about interaction with an IMAP server than previous, but
    still not quite there. Poor message check makes it unusable for me.

    Aye, I am a POP3 user.


    --
    Steve Hayes
    http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    http://khanya.wordpress.com

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  • From Eric Demeester@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 17 11:57:14 2018
    Hello,

    Steve Hayes (Mon, 16 Apr 2018 04:08:36 +0200 - comp.mail.pegasus-mail.ms-windows) :

    The change I'd most like to see would be a better way of saving
    messages.

    I'd realy like Pegasus to have a real, usable threads management based
    on 'References: ' header fields.

    Yes, I know, the 'References : ' field is optional in RFC 822, but most
    of email (and webmail) clients use it, not Pegasus.

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