• Making Header Info Visible in Preview

    From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 3 12:06:44 2021
    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged something. Any
    ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Ajo Wissink@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Wed Mar 3 18:09:18 2021
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged something. Any
    ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.

    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Ajo Wissink on Wed Mar 3 15:30:44 2021
    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:09:27 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged something. Any
    ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.
    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

    I don't have a manual. Never did. Where would I find that?

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From Ajo Wissink@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Wed Mar 3 23:46:11 2021
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:30:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:09:27 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged something. Any
    ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.
    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

    I don't have a manual. Never did. Where would I find that?

    https://fossies.org/windows/mail/eudora/Eudora_71_User_Manual.pdf

    --
    Ajo Wissink

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Ajo Wissink on Thu Mar 4 16:31:51 2021
    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 10:46:21 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:30:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:09:27 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged something. Any
    ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.
    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

    I don't have a manual. Never did. Where would I find that? https://fossies.org/windows/mail/eudora/Eudora_71_User_Manual.pdf

    Ok, great! Thanks

    I don't see a clear explanation of the syntax and I don't want to randomly poke at my .ini file. Would it be this?

    PreviewHeaders=To:,From:,Subject:,Cc:

    If a specified header is not present in the email, does that field get ignored or displayed blank?

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From Ajo Wissink@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Thu Mar 4 23:41:24 2021
    On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:31:51 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 10:46:21 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:30:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:09:27 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged something.
    Any ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.
    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

    I don't have a manual. Never did. Where would I find that?
    https://fossies.org/windows/mail/eudora/Eudora_71_User_Manual.pdf

    Ok, great! Thanks

    I don't see a clear explanation of the syntax and I don't want to randomly poke at my .ini file. Would it be this?

    PreviewHeaders=To:,From:,Subject:,Cc:

    That would be fine. You don't have to go poking around in Eudora.ini.
    You can do it with an X-Eudora-Option without the need to first close
    Eudora. Copy the following link and paste it in a new Eudora message.

    <X-Eudora-Option:PreviewHeaders>

    Save the message and click on the link while holding the Alt key. A
    Change Option window will appear where you can edit the New Value
    field with the headers you want to show.

    If a specified header is not present in the email, does that field get ignored or displayed blank?

    I think you will only sea the chosen headers.

    I don't know how your newsreader works. It is possible that it will
    also work here. You can try to click the link in this message. It
    works in my Agent.

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Ajo Wissink on Fri Mar 5 00:41:21 2021
    On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:41:33 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:31:51 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 10:46:21 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:30:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:09:27 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged something.
    Any ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.
    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

    I don't have a manual. Never did. Where would I find that?
    https://fossies.org/windows/mail/eudora/Eudora_71_User_Manual.pdf

    Ok, great! Thanks

    I don't see a clear explanation of the syntax and I don't want to randomly poke at my .ini file. Would it be this?

    PreviewHeaders=To:,From:,Subject:,Cc:
    That would be fine. You don't have to go poking around in Eudora.ini.
    You can do it with an X-Eudora-Option without the need to first close Eudora. Copy the following link and paste it in a new Eudora message.

    <X-Eudora-Option:PreviewHeaders>

    Save the message and click on the link while holding the Alt key. A
    Change Option window will appear where you can edit the New Value
    field with the headers you want to show.
    If a specified header is not present in the email, does that field get ignored or displayed blank?
    I think you will only sea the chosen headers.

    I don't know how your newsreader works. It is possible that it will
    also work here. You can try to click the link in this message. It
    works in my Agent.

    Something is rotten in Denmark. I did as you suggested and the current setting is the default which contains...

    To:,Subject:,Cc:,Bcc:,X-Attachments:

    Yet, the only thing I see is the From: field in the inbox. Other mailboxes show From: To: and Subject: fields. There must be some other setting that is overriding this. As I mentioned this seems to have changed as I don't recall the In mailbox being
    this limited before. Maybe I need to restart the program. Yes, that seems to have fixed it.

    I guess that's still not too bad for a program from 20 years ago! Back then I was lucky if my computer ran for a day without crashing. I recall Win95 could get into a condition where it would have trouble running more than an hour before crashing.
    Windows has come a long way since then and Eudora seems to keep right up with it! Amazing.

    But my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago. I wish it was easier to adjust the size of text when editing a message. I have to set the font size to large while typing and remember to set it back to normal before sending. I forget 1 time in
    10 or so. It must look odd to the recipient to see such large text. Eudora also has issues displaying some emails and has trouble making the quoted email readable when replying.

    Thanks for the help. This is a great community.

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Fri Mar 5 11:09:25 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 00:41:21, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    []
    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be
    more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at
    []
    Something is rotten in Denmark. I did as you suggested and the current >setting is the default which contains...

    To:,Subject:,Cc:,Bcc:,X-Attachments:

    Yet, the only thing I see is the From: field in the inbox. Other
    mailboxes show From: To: and Subject: fields. There must be some other

    You originally asked about the preview pane, now you're talking about
    the inbox. I think they can have different headers showing.
    []
    I guess that's still not too bad for a program from 20 years ago! Back
    then I was lucky if my computer ran for a day without crashing. I
    recall Win95 could get into a condition where it would have trouble
    running more than an hour before crashing. Windows has come a long way
    since then and Eudora seems to keep right up with it! Amazing.

    Yes, great, isn't it! Though Pandora is worth a look:
    https://pandoramail.com/

    But my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago. I wish it was
    easier to adjust the size of text when editing a message. I have to
    set the font size to large while typing and remember to set it back to
    normal before sending. I forget 1 time in 10 or so. It must look odd
    to the recipient to see such large text. Eudora also has issues
    displaying some emails and has trouble making the quoted email readable
    when replying.

    I think Pandora, since it's still current, handles some modern mails
    better; not sure about the font size question though.

    Why not switch to sending plain text? Then, you can (I think) play with
    font size as seen by you when composing, but that setting will not be
    sent in the email, so the recipient won't see it.

    Thanks for the help. This is a great community.

    Seems to be!
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    A lot of people think that being skinny is the happy ending, and its not.
    Being happy is the happy ending. - Sarah Millican, in Radio Times 3-9 March 2012

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 5 11:10:41 2021
    On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:10:40 AM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 00:41:21, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    []
    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be
    more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at
    []
    Something is rotten in Denmark. I did as you suggested and the current >setting is the default which contains...

    To:,Subject:,Cc:,Bcc:,X-Attachments:

    Yet, the only thing I see is the From: field in the inbox. Other
    mailboxes show From: To: and Subject: fields. There must be some other
    You originally asked about the preview pane, now you're talking about
    the inbox. I think they can have different headers showing.

    I am confused. What preview pane are you talking about? Maybe this is just terminology. I'm talking about the preview pane for the inbox. My Eudora is set up so every mailbox has a preview pane. What setup are you referring to?


    I guess that's still not too bad for a program from 20 years ago! Back >then I was lucky if my computer ran for a day without crashing. I
    recall Win95 could get into a condition where it would have trouble >running more than an hour before crashing. Windows has come a long way >since then and Eudora seems to keep right up with it! Amazing.
    Yes, great, isn't it! Though Pandora is worth a look: https://pandoramail.com/

    I don't recall if this is the redo of Thunderbird, so it is only like Eudora superficially. I tried using T-bird for reading newsgroups and it worked "ok"... just, but after using it for a year or two crapped out in a way I could not figure out how to
    recover from. I switched over to Seamonkey with is on the same code base and after a year that one also crapped out. So I'm not willing to trust my email to a program with such issues. Email is vital to me and my business.


    But my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago. I wish it was >easier to adjust the size of text when editing a message. I have to
    set the font size to large while typing and remember to set it back to >normal before sending. I forget 1 time in 10 or so. It must look odd
    to the recipient to see such large text. Eudora also has issues
    displaying some emails and has trouble making the quoted email readable >when replying.
    I think Pandora, since it's still current, handles some modern mails
    better; not sure about the font size question though.

    Why not switch to sending plain text? Then, you can (I think) play with
    font size as seen by you when composing, but that setting will not be
    sent in the email, so the recipient won't see it.

    I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe that's what I am doing. I know I've made the mistake of forgetting to remove the formatting before sending and it seems to now show up on replies. I like Eudora a lot, but it does have various issues like this where
    it does unintuitive things.

    Things like Gmail may change according to the whims of the developer but it is always easy to use and intuitive. I don't think I've ever lost an email through Gmail either. I did loose an important email in Eudora once in 20 years, so not too bad. Now
    I forward emails through Gmail so that creates a backup copy always without effort on my part. Just no records of my outbox. So I still backup my Eudora mailboxes, all 4 GB.

    --

    Rick C.

    +- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From Ajo Wissink@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Fri Mar 5 15:58:01 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 00:41:21 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:41:33 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:31:51 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 10:46:21 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:30:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:09:27 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged something.
    Any ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.
    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

    I don't have a manual. Never did. Where would I find that?
    https://fossies.org/windows/mail/eudora/Eudora_71_User_Manual.pdf

    Ok, great! Thanks

    I don't see a clear explanation of the syntax and I don't want to randomly poke at my .ini file. Would it be this?

    PreviewHeaders=To:,From:,Subject:,Cc:
    That would be fine. You don't have to go poking around in Eudora.ini.
    You can do it with an X-Eudora-Option without the need to first close
    Eudora. Copy the following link and paste it in a new Eudora message.

    <X-Eudora-Option:PreviewHeaders>

    Save the message and click on the link while holding the Alt key. A
    Change Option window will appear where you can edit the New Value
    field with the headers you want to show.
    If a specified header is not present in the email, does that field get ignored or displayed blank?
    I think you will only sea the chosen headers.

    I don't know how your newsreader works. It is possible that it will
    also work here. You can try to click the link in this message. It
    works in my Agent.

    Something is rotten in Denmark. I did as you suggested and the current setting is the default which contains...

    To:,Subject:,Cc:,Bcc:,X-Attachments:

    Yet, the only thing I see is the From: field in the inbox. Other mailboxes show From: To: and Subject: fields. There must be some other setting that is overriding this. As I mentioned this seems to have changed as I don't recall the In mailbox being
    this limited before. Maybe I need to restart the program. Yes, that seems to have fixed it.

    Aha..! Now that we know that you have other mailboxes which don't
    behave in the same way the explanation for your problem is simple. You
    have been using the Content Concentrator which can be individually set
    for each mailbox. Your In mailbox was set for "terse" and the other
    one for "compact". (The 3 choices are none, terse and compact). You
    can change the setting at the bottom of the mailbox, to the right of
    the box with the 3 or 4 numbers. If you don't want to use the Content Concentrator you can change that in the Options.


    I guess that's still not too bad for a program from 20 years ago! Back then I was lucky if my computer ran for a day without crashing. I recall Win95 could get into a condition where it would have trouble running more than an hour before crashing.
    Windows has come a long way since then and Eudora seems to keep right up with it! Amazing.

    But my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago. I wish it was easier to adjust the size of text when editing a message. I have to set the font size to large while typing and remember to set it back to normal before sending. I forget 1 time in
    10 or so. It must look odd to the recipient to see such large text. Eudora also has issues displaying some emails and has trouble making the quoted email readable when replying.

    Thanks for the help. This is a great community.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

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  • From Dennis Lee Bieber@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 5 17:38:37 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 11:10:41 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> declaimed the following:



    I don't recall if this is the redo of Thunderbird, so it is only like Eudora superficially. I tried using T-bird for reading newsgroups and it worked "ok"... just, but after using it for a year or two crapped out in a way I could not figure out how to
    recover from. I switched over to Seamonkey with is on the same code base and after a year that one also crapped out. So I'm not willing to trust my email to a program with such issues. Email is vital to me and my business.

    Pandora has no relation to any Mozilla based product. It is a totally new program (probably written in Java since it doesn't seem to use native Windows widgets -- ie; it has a curved upper left/right where Win10 has
    gone back to flat square corners). It is produced by the person that did
    the "greek message plug-in" for Eudora.

    cf: http://www.drivehq.com/web/brana/pandora.htm (note: the "demo" mode is limited to one personality, maybe one filter, one signature, etc.)


    --
    Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com http://wlfraed.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Sat Mar 6 01:30:19 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 11:10:41, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:10:40 AM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 00:41:21, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    []
    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be
    more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at
    []
    Yet, the only thing I see is the From: field in the inbox. Other
    mailboxes show From: To: and Subject: fields. There must be some other
    You originally asked about the preview pane, now you're talking about
    the inbox. I think they can have different headers showing.

    I am confused. What preview pane are you talking about? Maybe this is
    just terminology. I'm talking about the preview pane for the inbox. My >Eudora is set up so every mailbox has a preview pane. What setup are
    you referring to?

    Ah. I was confused whether you meant the headings you see in the preview
    pane, or the column headings in the inbox list of messages.

    I guess that's still not too bad for a program from 20 years ago! Back
    then I was lucky if my computer ran for a day without crashing. I
    recall Win95 could get into a condition where it would have trouble
    running more than an hour before crashing. Windows has come a long way
    since then and Eudora seems to keep right up with it! Amazing.
    Yes, great, isn't it! Though Pandora is worth a look:
    https://pandoramail.com/

    I don't recall if this is the redo of Thunderbird, so it is only like
    Eudora superficially.

    Ah, "Eudora OSE" - open source edition. No, that was based on a very
    early TB - about v5, I think. Unfortunately the superficiality didn't
    extend to use by blind people. It has been abandoned anyway. No, Pandora appears to be a good attempt to retain as much of Eudora as possible -
    do read the above page, though it does seem to have been written by a
    fan.

    I tried using T-bird for reading newsgroups and it worked "ok"...
    just, but after using it for a year or two crapped out in a way I could
    not figure out how to recover from. I switched over to Seamonkey with
    is on the same code base and after a year that one also crapped out.

    I see you're using "G2/1.0", which I think means Google Groups - surely
    that's worse than _any_ proper news client! If TB's no good for you, how
    about one of the others - Free Agent still has lots of followers (and
    may be of similar vintage to Eudora!).

    So I'm not willing to trust my email to a program with such issues.

    OK.

    Email is vital to me and my business.

    For what it's worth: I told a blind friend of mine about Pandora, as I
    knew she used Eudora but was aware of some recent problems (security certificates and the like). I think she had sorted those (might have
    been the Hermes patch, I can't remember), but she was open to something
    more modern; she tried Pandora, and likes it. (OK, she had teething
    troubles - could receive but not send - but that was just a settings
    fiddle.)

    But my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago. I wish it was
    easier to adjust the size of text when editing a message. I have to
    set the font size to large while typing and remember to set it back to
    normal before sending. I forget 1 time in 10 or so. It must look odd
    to the recipient to see such large text. Eudora also has issues
    displaying some emails and has trouble making the quoted email readable
    when replying.
    I think Pandora, since it's still current, handles some modern mails
    better; not sure about the font size question though.

    Why not switch to sending plain text? Then, you can (I think) play with
    font size as seen by you when composing, but that setting will not be
    sent in the email, so the recipient won't see it.

    I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe that's what I am doing. I know I've
    made the mistake of forgetting to remove the formatting before sending
    and it seems to now show up on replies. I like Eudora a lot, but it
    does have various issues like this where it does unintuitive things.

    If you send plain text, that's what is sent - no size information is
    conveyed. In Eudora, I _think_ that's Tools | Options | Styled Text,
    then ensure "Show formatting toolbar" is _un_ticked. To change the font
    _you_ see while composing, I _think_ it's Tools | Options | Fonts |
    Screen. (Sorry to sound vague: I don't use Eudora myself, though I have
    it installed to help others.)

    Things like Gmail may change according to the whims of the developer
    but it is always easy to use and intuitive. I don't think I've ever
    lost an email through Gmail either. I did loose an important email in
    Eudora once in 20 years, so not too bad. Now I forward emails through
    Gmail so that creates a backup copy always without effort on my part.
    Just no records of my outbox. So I still backup my Eudora mailboxes,
    all 4 GB.

    Probably worth shrinking that - can you save and then remove attachments
    in Eudora?
    --
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    Norman Tebbitt has the irritating quality of being much nicer in person than
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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Ajo Wissink on Fri Mar 5 21:55:45 2021
    On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 2:58:11 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 00:41:21 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:41:33 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:31:51 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 10:46:21 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:30:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:09:27 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" >> >> >> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged
    something. Any ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.
    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

    I don't have a manual. Never did. Where would I find that?
    https://fossies.org/windows/mail/eudora/Eudora_71_User_Manual.pdf

    Ok, great! Thanks

    I don't see a clear explanation of the syntax and I don't want to randomly poke at my .ini file. Would it be this?

    PreviewHeaders=To:,From:,Subject:,Cc:
    That would be fine. You don't have to go poking around in Eudora.ini.
    You can do it with an X-Eudora-Option without the need to first close
    Eudora. Copy the following link and paste it in a new Eudora message.

    <X-Eudora-Option:PreviewHeaders>

    Save the message and click on the link while holding the Alt key. A
    Change Option window will appear where you can edit the New Value
    field with the headers you want to show.
    If a specified header is not present in the email, does that field get ignored or displayed blank?
    I think you will only sea the chosen headers.

    I don't know how your newsreader works. It is possible that it will
    also work here. You can try to click the link in this message. It
    works in my Agent.

    Something is rotten in Denmark. I did as you suggested and the current setting is the default which contains...

    To:,Subject:,Cc:,Bcc:,X-Attachments:

    Yet, the only thing I see is the From: field in the inbox. Other mailboxes show From: To: and Subject: fields. There must be some other setting that is overriding this. As I mentioned this seems to have changed as I don't recall the In mailbox being
    this limited before. Maybe I need to restart the program. Yes, that seems to have fixed it.
    Aha..! Now that we know that you have other mailboxes which don't
    behave in the same way the explanation for your problem is simple. You
    have been using the Content Concentrator which can be individually set
    for each mailbox. Your In mailbox was set for "terse" and the other
    one for "compact". (The 3 choices are none, terse and compact). You
    can change the setting at the bottom of the mailbox, to the right of
    the box with the 3 or 4 numbers. If you don't want to use the Content Concentrator you can change that in the Options.

    Would that have been reset by restarting the program? Is this not remembered by the program when changed in the drop down list in the window?

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to The other day I was kindof bitching on Fri Mar 5 22:16:55 2021
    On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:32:24 PM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 11:10:41, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 6:10:40 AM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: >> On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 00:41:21, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    []
    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be >> >> >> >> >more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at
    []
    Yet, the only thing I see is the From: field in the inbox. Other
    mailboxes show From: To: and Subject: fields. There must be some other >> You originally asked about the preview pane, now you're talking about
    the inbox. I think they can have different headers showing.

    I am confused. What preview pane are you talking about? Maybe this is
    just terminology. I'm talking about the preview pane for the inbox. My >Eudora is set up so every mailbox has a preview pane. What setup are
    you referring to?

    Ah. I was confused whether you meant the headings you see in the preview pane, or the column headings in the inbox list of messages.

    I guess that's still not too bad for a program from 20 years ago! Back >> >then I was lucky if my computer ran for a day without crashing. I
    recall Win95 could get into a condition where it would have trouble
    running more than an hour before crashing. Windows has come a long way >> >since then and Eudora seems to keep right up with it! Amazing.
    Yes, great, isn't it! Though Pandora is worth a look:
    https://pandoramail.com/

    I don't recall if this is the redo of Thunderbird, so it is only like >Eudora superficially.
    Ah, "Eudora OSE" - open source edition. No, that was based on a very
    early TB - about v5, I think. Unfortunately the superficiality didn't
    extend to use by blind people. It has been abandoned anyway. No, Pandora appears to be a good attempt to retain as much of Eudora as possible -
    do read the above page, though it does seem to have been written by a
    fan.

    Someone is supposedly working on getting Eudora up and running again in a more modern development environment, but I haven't heard any news of progress for ages. I think maybe it's going down for the third time.


    I tried using T-bird for reading newsgroups and it worked "ok"...
    just, but after using it for a year or two crapped out in a way I could >not figure out how to recover from. I switched over to Seamonkey with
    is on the same code base and after a year that one also crapped out.
    I see you're using "G2/1.0", which I think means Google Groups - surely that's worse than _any_ proper news client! If TB's no good for you, how about one of the others - Free Agent still has lots of followers (and
    may be of similar vintage to Eudora!).

    Yeah, GG is the pits, but I barely use newsgroups anymore. The technical groups here seem to have withered on the vine. This one is one of the few sources of info on Eudora, so I hang around. I'm just not interested in newsgroups enough to try to keep
    a reader working.

    So I'm not willing to trust my email to a program with such issues.
    OK.
    Email is vital to me and my business.

    For what it's worth: I told a blind friend of mine about Pandora, as I
    knew she used Eudora but was aware of some recent problems (security certificates and the like). I think she had sorted those (might have
    been the Hermes patch, I can't remember), but she was open to something
    more modern; she tried Pandora, and likes it. (OK, she had teething
    troubles - could receive but not send - but that was just a settings fiddle.)

    In general email is pretty simple. Once working it keeps working unless the tools has issues like T-bird. The real problem with T-bird was the near lack of support. It's just not worth the effort. GG sucks totally, then sucked some more when they
    changed it again. I would say each time they change it, it gets a little worse, but that would be a lie, it got a LOT worse this last time. They strip out multiple spaces between words so you can't sen ascii art, aka, text based line drawings anymore
    on top of literally the worst UI I have ever seen since pine.

    It's hard to imaging Google practically owning the world and continuing to make this interface worse every time they touch it!

    The other day I was kindof bitching out my insurance company for having their heads up their bureaucratic asses and actually said, "If Google sold insurance they would make this easy". lol I say stuff like that to my bank too. Banks don't understand
    the "online" part of online banking. Anything past online 101 they want you to come into an office. I guess these are two very conservative industries.


    But my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago. I wish it was
    easier to adjust the size of text when editing a message. I have to
    set the font size to large while typing and remember to set it back to >> >normal before sending. I forget 1 time in 10 or so. It must look odd
    to the recipient to see such large text. Eudora also has issues
    displaying some emails and has trouble making the quoted email readable >> >when replying.
    I think Pandora, since it's still current, handles some modern mails
    better; not sure about the font size question though.

    Why not switch to sending plain text? Then, you can (I think) play with >> font size as seen by you when composing, but that setting will not be
    sent in the email, so the recipient won't see it.

    I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe that's what I am doing. I know I've
    made the mistake of forgetting to remove the formatting before sending
    and it seems to now show up on replies. I like Eudora a lot, but it
    does have various issues like this where it does unintuitive things.
    If you send plain text, that's what is sent - no size information is conveyed. In Eudora, I _think_ that's Tools | Options | Styled Text,
    then ensure "Show formatting toolbar" is _un_ticked. To change the font _you_ see while composing, I _think_ it's Tools | Options | Fonts |
    Screen. (Sorry to sound vague: I don't use Eudora myself, though I have
    it installed to help others.)

    I'd like to be able to send HTML which is what I think you are calling "styled text" in order to preserve in my replies the HTML others have sent. It is set for "both" on sending.

    I changed the fonts to large under "message" and left it medium on printer and screen. Is "screen" reading mail and "message" writing?


    Things like Gmail may change according to the whims of the developer
    but it is always easy to use and intuitive. I don't think I've ever
    lost an email through Gmail either. I did loose an important email in >Eudora once in 20 years, so not too bad. Now I forward emails through >Gmail so that creates a backup copy always without effort on my part.
    Just no records of my outbox. So I still backup my Eudora mailboxes,
    all 4 GB.

    Probably worth shrinking that - can you save and then remove attachments
    in Eudora?

    Don't care. 4 GB is not so much. I have 8 GB in my work directory and tons under the downloads folder which is 90% useful stuff... or at least stuff I don't want to toss out for fear of making a mistake. FOMM

    Thanks for the help. It makes a difference.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Sat Mar 6 11:58:55 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 22:16:55, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    []
    Someone is supposedly working on getting Eudora up and running again in
    a more modern development environment, but I haven't heard any news of >progress for ages. I think maybe it's going down for the third time.

    Do give Pandora a look; I've just checker her last message, and my blind
    friend is still using it after her switch a week or three ago.
    []
    Yeah, GG is the pits, but I barely use newsgroups anymore. The
    technical groups here seem to have withered on the vine. This one is

    I still get useful help in the Windows 'groups, and one I follow
    (nominally about a radio soap, but now just a group of friends
    [basically social media predating - it started in 1995! - all the
    others], though we do still discuss the soap some of the time) is still
    pretty active. And one about broadcast technology is still well. But
    yes, usenet is a shadow of what it once was.

    one of the few sources of info on Eudora, so I hang around. I'm just
    not interested in newsgroups enough to try to keep a reader working.

    Fairy Nuff. (Though I wouldn't say there's a lot of "keeping it going"
    involved with most of news clients - it's only if the server introduces changes, which they don't often.)
    []
    In general email is pretty simple. Once working it keeps working
    unless the tools has issues like T-bird. The real problem with T-bird
    was the near lack of support. It's just not worth the effort. GG

    Strange; I've always thought TB was one of those with _good_ support -
    not from mozilla, who are hopeless (and keep breaking it if you have
    "up"dates enabled, but from other people - and most email and news
    providers have a page specific to it, and to few others (other than
    Outlook of course).

    I've little experience of it as a newsreader, mind.

    sucks totally, then sucked some more when they changed it again. I
    would say each time they change it, it gets a little worse, but that
    would be a lie, it got a LOT worse this last time. They strip out
    multiple spaces between words so you can't sen ascii art, aka, text
    based line drawings anymore on top of literally the worst UI I have
    ever seen since pine.

    Pretty dire that! (I too remember pine.) I wouldn't know what to suggest
    other than TB _for news_; there still does seem to be support/enthusiasm
    for (Free) Agent (from users).

    It's hard to imaging Google practically owning the world and continuing
    to make this interface worse every time they touch it!

    I don't know; increasing degradation in many spheres seems to be our
    fate! )-:

    The other day I was kindof bitching out my insurance company for having
    their heads up their bureaucratic asses and actually said, "If Google
    sold insurance they would make this easy". lol I say stuff like that
    to my bank too. Banks don't understand the "online" part of online
    banking. Anything past online 101 they want you to come into an
    office. I guess these are two very conservative industries.

    Where are you? I'm in UK, and I get the opposite impression: they _want_
    you to do everything online, and make it awkward to do things "in
    branch"!
    []
    If you send plain text, that's what is sent - no size information is
    conveyed. In Eudora, I _think_ that's Tools | Options | Styled Text,
    then ensure "Show formatting toolbar" is _un_ticked. To change the font
    _you_ see while composing, I _think_ it's Tools | Options | Fonts |
    Screen. (Sorry to sound vague: I don't use Eudora myself, though I have
    it installed to help others.)

    I'd like to be able to send HTML which is what I think you are calling

    (Not me - Eudora calls it that.)

    "styled text" in order to preserve in my replies the HTML others have

    I see. I have no solution for that, I'm afraid!

    sent. It is set for "both" on sending.

    Which means I think that your emails contain both a plain text part and
    an HTML part; however, you probably only get to see the HTML one while composing, if you have it set!

    I changed the fonts to large under "message" and left it medium on
    printer and screen. Is "screen" reading mail and "message" writing?

    Sorry, I don't know. It may also be that one of those settings (I'd
    guess "screen") is ignored if you have "Styled text" enabled.

    I wonder if you could see things bigger by changing a setting in Windows
    - there's something about percentage text size up to 125% or 150%;
    whether that would work with Eudora, I don't know. Something that would
    work of course would be reducing your screen resolution, but that's
    drastic, and gives you less space to do everything. (Or same resolution
    but a bigger monitor!)
    []
    Just no records of my outbox. So I still backup my Eudora mailboxes,
    all 4 GB.

    Probably worth shrinking that - can you save and then remove attachments
    in Eudora?

    Don't care. 4 GB is not so much. I have 8 GB in my work directory and

    Not by modern standards, no. I was wondering if Eudora might be groaning
    under it, but if it isn't, fine.

    tons under the downloads folder which is 90% useful stuff... or at

    Ah, if Eudora keeps attachments in a separate folder called downloads,
    that's probably fine. (Though if that means you have 4 or 8 GB of
    emails _excluding_ attachments, that's impressive!)

    least stuff I don't want to toss out for fear of making a mistake.

    I don't toss out attachments, just take them out of emails.

    FOMM

    (I don't know that one - is it like YMMV?)

    Thanks for the help. It makes a difference.

    Glad to chat; sorry if I can't help that much, as I don't use Eudora!
    (If you're wondering, I use Turnpike, for both email and news - that
    died in 2007! But I just have muscle memory for it [not to mention
    emails and news posts back to 199x, though I think I could transfer
    those if I had to.])
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    ... although we regard it as undesirable for children to drive cars, own
    credit cards or enter public houses, we don't prevent grown-ups from choosing to do so. (Quoted by Paul Bray in Computing, 3 October 1996.)

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  • From Ajo Wissink@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Sat Mar 6 07:57:14 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 21:55:45 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 2:58:11 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 00:41:21 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 10:41:33 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 16:31:51 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 10:46:21 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 15:30:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com"
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 5:09:27 PM UTC-5, Ajo Wissink wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:06:44 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" >> >> >> >> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I may be having a brain cramp, but I thought there used to be more header info visible in the preview pane when looking at inbox mail. All I see now is the From field. I have touched my options a few times recently, so maybe I munged
    something. Any ideas? Or is my memory faulty? I'd like to be able to see the To field and the subject.
    See PreviewHeaders on Page 459 of the manual.

    --
    Ajo Wissink

    I don't have a manual. Never did. Where would I find that?
    https://fossies.org/windows/mail/eudora/Eudora_71_User_Manual.pdf

    Ok, great! Thanks

    I don't see a clear explanation of the syntax and I don't want to randomly poke at my .ini file. Would it be this?

    PreviewHeaders=To:,From:,Subject:,Cc:
    That would be fine. You don't have to go poking around in Eudora.ini.
    You can do it with an X-Eudora-Option without the need to first close
    Eudora. Copy the following link and paste it in a new Eudora message.

    <X-Eudora-Option:PreviewHeaders>

    Save the message and click on the link while holding the Alt key. A
    Change Option window will appear where you can edit the New Value
    field with the headers you want to show.
    If a specified header is not present in the email, does that field get ignored or displayed blank?
    I think you will only sea the chosen headers.

    I don't know how your newsreader works. It is possible that it will
    also work here. You can try to click the link in this message. It
    works in my Agent.

    Something is rotten in Denmark. I did as you suggested and the current setting is the default which contains...

    To:,Subject:,Cc:,Bcc:,X-Attachments:

    Yet, the only thing I see is the From: field in the inbox. Other mailboxes show From: To: and Subject: fields. There must be some other setting that is overriding this. As I mentioned this seems to have changed as I don't recall the In mailbox being
    this limited before. Maybe I need to restart the program. Yes, that seems to have fixed it.
    Aha..! Now that we know that you have other mailboxes which don't
    behave in the same way the explanation for your problem is simple. You
    have been using the Content Concentrator which can be individually set
    for each mailbox. Your In mailbox was set for "terse" and the other
    one for "compact". (The 3 choices are none, terse and compact). You
    can change the setting at the bottom of the mailbox, to the right of
    the box with the 3 or 4 numbers. If you don't want to use the Content
    Concentrator you can change that in the Options.

    Would that have been reset by restarting the program? Is this not remembered by the program when changed in the drop down list in the window?

    No, restarting a program does not change the settings, but some
    changes in the settigs only take effect after restarting. That doesn't
    aply in this case. If it doesn't work for you there is something
    wrong. Where do you have your data directory? What are the paths for
    data and application at the bottom of the window that opens when you
    select Help -> About Eudora?
    --
    Ajo Wissink

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  • From Dennis Lee Bieber@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 6 11:27:18 2021
    On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 11:58:55 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> declaimed the following:

    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 22:16:55, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" ><gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):

    I'd like to be able to send HTML which is what I think you are calling

    (Not me - Eudora calls it that.)

    "styled text" in order to preserve in my replies the HTML others have

    I see. I have no solution for that, I'm afraid!

    sent. It is set for "both" on sending.

    Which means I think that your emails contain both a plain text part and
    an HTML part; however, you probably only get to see the HTML one while >composing, if you have it set!

    It does... and most mail clients, by default, will select the fanciest version they can render (whether poorly or not, given some of the changes
    in HTML that have occurred over time).

    One only sees plain text if one turns off any option for fancy rendering...


    --
    Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com http://wlfraed.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

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  • From Dennis Lee Bieber@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 6 11:22:17 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 22:16:55 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> declaimed the following:



    I changed the fonts to large under "message" and left it medium on printer and screen. Is "screen" reading mail and "message" writing?


    "screen" appears to affect the message list pane, "message" affects the actual message pane -- both read and write.

    Don't care. 4 GB is not so much. I have 8 GB in my work directory and tons under the downloads folder which is 90% useful stuff... or at least stuff I don't want to toss out for fear of making a mistake. FOMM

    Take into account that Eudora is a 32-bit program though -- if any MBOX file is approaching 2GB it should probably be trimmed.


    --
    Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com http://wlfraed.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com on Sat Mar 6 23:02:18 2021
    On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 at 14:27:00, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    []
    Many sins have been blamed on Microsoft's code that displays the HTML,
    but it's much worse than that. Eudora just munges anything other than
    plain text when replying. In business emails people will cut and paste >things from spread sheets and word docs. Eudora displays them ok on
    the inbound, but in a reply the text often becomes illegible.

    Anyone else able to help there?
    []
    I wonder if you could see things bigger by changing a setting in Windows
    - there's something about percentage text size up to 125% or 150%;

    Already done that. You would think that would help everthing, but it
    seems this is just info for the applications and many ignore it. So
    dialog boxes and image based icons often don't change.

    Yes, AIUI it's instructions to software, and some (particularly older)
    software doesn't heed those instructions.

    whether that would work with Eudora, I don't know. Something that would
    work of course would be reducing your screen resolution, but that's
    drastic, and gives you less space to do everything. (Or same resolution
    but a bigger monitor!)

    Hard to make the laptop screen bigger. I have thought about getting a

    OK! But you could reduce the resolution.

    four foot TV and hanging it from the ceiling about six feet away, but
    that's still not bigger than my laptop in my... lap!

    (-:
    []
    Don't care. 4 GB is not so much. I have 8 GB in my work directory and
    Not by modern standards, no. I was wondering if Eudora might be groaning
    under it, but if it isn't, fine.

    As someone else said, Eudora being 32-bit software might have problems.

    tons under the downloads folder which is 90% useful stuff... or at
    Ah, if Eudora keeps attachments in a separate folder called downloads,
    that's probably fine. (Though if that means you have 4 or 8 GB of
    emails _excluding_ attachments, that's impressive!)
    least stuff I don't want to toss out for fear of making a mistake.
    I don't toss out attachments, just take them out of emails.

    Oddly enough Eudora puts all attachments in a directory called, >"attachments". Who'd have thought? Actually this creates some issues

    I thought you referred to a "downloads" folder.
    []
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  • From gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 6 14:27:00 2021
    On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 6:59:58 AM UTC-5, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 at 22:16:55, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually follow
    points raised):
    []
    Someone is supposedly working on getting Eudora up and running again in
    a more modern development environment, but I haven't heard any news of >progress for ages. I think maybe it's going down for the third time.

    Do give Pandora a look; I've just checker her last message, and my blind friend is still using it after her switch a week or three ago.
    []
    Yeah, GG is the pits, but I barely use newsgroups anymore. The
    technical groups here seem to have withered on the vine. This one is
    I still get useful help in the Windows 'groups, and one I follow
    (nominally about a radio soap, but now just a group of friends
    [basically social media predating - it started in 1995! - all the
    others], though we do still discuss the soap some of the time) is still pretty active. And one about broadcast technology is still well. But
    yes, usenet is a shadow of what it once was.
    one of the few sources of info on Eudora, so I hang around. I'm just
    not interested in newsgroups enough to try to keep a reader working.
    Fairy Nuff. (Though I wouldn't say there's a lot of "keeping it going" involved with most of news clients - it's only if the server introduces changes, which they don't often.)
    []
    In general email is pretty simple. Once working it keeps working
    unless the tools has issues like T-bird. The real problem with T-bird
    was the near lack of support. It's just not worth the effort. GG
    Strange; I've always thought TB was one of those with _good_ support -
    not from mozilla, who are hopeless (and keep breaking it if you have "up"dates enabled, but from other people - and most email and news
    providers have a page specific to it, and to few others (other than
    Outlook of course).

    I've little experience of it as a newsreader, mind.
    sucks totally, then sucked some more when they changed it again. I
    would say each time they change it, it gets a little worse, but that
    would be a lie, it got a LOT worse this last time. They strip out
    multiple spaces between words so you can't sen ascii art, aka, text
    based line drawings anymore on top of literally the worst UI I have
    ever seen since pine.
    Pretty dire that! (I too remember pine.) I wouldn't know what to suggest other than TB _for news_; there still does seem to be support/enthusiasm
    for (Free) Agent (from users).

    It's hard to imaging Google practically owning the world and continuing
    to make this interface worse every time they touch it!
    I don't know; increasing degradation in many spheres seems to be our
    fate! )-:

    The other day I was kindof bitching out my insurance company for having >their heads up their bureaucratic asses and actually said, "If Google
    sold insurance they would make this easy". lol I say stuff like that
    to my bank too. Banks don't understand the "online" part of online >banking. Anything past online 101 they want you to come into an
    office. I guess these are two very conservative industries.

    Where are you? I'm in UK, and I get the opposite impression: they _want_
    you to do everything online, and make it awkward to do things "in
    branch"!

    I'm in the US. It's not that they try to drive you to the branches, but that they simply don't "get" online access. The one big limitation virtually every bank has is limiting how far back you can access your banking information. I think my current
    bank is a bit over a year, but often it is two or three months. I actually had one banker try to claim the problem was the massive storage requirements. I pointed out to him they could probably keep their entire data records since they were
    computerized on my laptop hard drive other than photos... maybe. He suggested I could download my statements as PDFs without understanding there is no useful way of searching them.

    Bankers are not even as tech savvy as a 15 year old.


    If you send plain text, that's what is sent - no size information is
    conveyed. In Eudora, I _think_ that's Tools | Options | Styled Text,
    then ensure "Show formatting toolbar" is _un_ticked. To change the font >> _you_ see while composing, I _think_ it's Tools | Options | Fonts |
    Screen. (Sorry to sound vague: I don't use Eudora myself, though I have >> it installed to help others.)

    I'd like to be able to send HTML which is what I think you are calling
    (Not me - Eudora calls it that.)
    "styled text" in order to preserve in my replies the HTML others have
    I see. I have no solution for that, I'm afraid!
    sent. It is set for "both" on sending.
    Which means I think that your emails contain both a plain text part and
    an HTML part; however, you probably only get to see the HTML one while composing, if you have it set!

    Many sins have been blamed on Microsoft's code that displays the HTML, but it's much worse than that. Eudora just munges anything other than plain text when replying. In business emails people will cut and paste things from spread sheets and word docs.
    Eudora displays them ok on the inbound, but in a reply the text often becomes illegible.


    I changed the fonts to large under "message" and left it medium on
    printer and screen. Is "screen" reading mail and "message" writing?

    Sorry, I don't know. It may also be that one of those settings (I'd
    guess "screen") is ignored if you have "Styled text" enabled.

    It seems to be showing bigger fonts in plain text emails after setting Fonts: Message: Size: to large.


    I wonder if you could see things bigger by changing a setting in Windows
    - there's something about percentage text size up to 125% or 150%;

    Already done that. You would think that would help everthing, but it seems this is just info for the applications and many ignore it. So dialog boxes and image based icons often don't change.


    whether that would work with Eudora, I don't know. Something that would
    work of course would be reducing your screen resolution, but that's
    drastic, and gives you less space to do everything. (Or same resolution
    but a bigger monitor!)

    Hard to make the laptop screen bigger. I have thought about getting a four foot TV and hanging it from the ceiling about six feet away, but that's still not bigger than my laptop in my... lap!


    Just no records of my outbox. So I still backup my Eudora mailboxes,
    all 4 GB.

    Probably worth shrinking that - can you save and then remove attachments >> in Eudora?

    Don't care. 4 GB is not so much. I have 8 GB in my work directory and
    Not by modern standards, no. I was wondering if Eudora might be groaning under it, but if it isn't, fine.
    tons under the downloads folder which is 90% useful stuff... or at
    Ah, if Eudora keeps attachments in a separate folder called downloads, that's probably fine. (Though if that means you have 4 or 8 GB of
    emails _excluding_ attachments, that's impressive!)
    least stuff I don't want to toss out for fear of making a mistake.
    I don't toss out attachments, just take them out of emails.

    Oddly enough Eudora puts all attachments in a directory called, "attachments". Who'd have thought? Actually this creates some issues with archiving. Every year or two I have to prune my inbox moving a year's worth of emails to another folder just to
    keep the inbox a manageable size. The attachments don't move, so that directory continues to grow unbounded. I guess I could move them based on date too, but that would impact all folders with attachments becoming archived and unreachable directly.


    FOMM

    (I don't know that one - is it like YMMV?)

    A take off from Fear Of Missing Out FOMO. Apparently not so humorous.


    Thanks for the help. It makes a difference.

    Glad to chat; sorry if I can't help that much, as I don't use Eudora!
    (If you're wondering, I use Turnpike, for both email and news - that
    died in 2007! But I just have muscle memory for it [not to mention
    emails and news posts back to 199x, though I think I could transfer
    those if I had to.])

    It's always nice to chat with someone who isn't calling you names or arguing over every nit. Some newsgroups aren't so supportive. Thanks for the decent conversation.

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Jim H@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Sun Mar 7 18:02:46 2021
    On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 00:41:21 -0800 (PST), in <cd69effc-4c37-45c0-8e98-d260de06891fn@googlegroups.com>, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

    But my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago.
    I wish it was easier to adjust the size of text when editing a
    message. I have to set the font size to large while typing
    and remember to set it back to normal before sending. I forget
    1 time in 10 or so. It must look odd to the recipient to see such large text.

    You don't need to set it back if you send as PLAIN TEXT. When sending
    as plain text the HTML that makes the font look larger to you isn't
    sent with the message.

    Try it by sending mail to yourself. I just did and it works. You may
    have to set Eudora to ask you how to send in order to run this test if
    HTML is currently your default.

    FWIW... I despise HTML in routine email. I wish everyone sent plain
    text... especially when there's no deliberate layout or font settings
    in the first place. All it does is bloat the messages by about 3X and
    all for no purpose. HTML email is for newsletters and spammers...
    where the bloat is more like 10X... and tween girls who love unicorns.
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    Jim H

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  • From Ajo Wissink@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 7 14:25:03 2021
    On Sun, 07 Mar 2021 18:02:46 +0000, Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    But my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago.
    I wish it was easier to adjust the size of text when editing a
    message. I have to set the font size to large while typing
    and remember to set it back to normal before sending. I forget
    1 time in 10 or so. It must look odd to the recipient to see such large text.

    You don't need to set it back if you send as PLAIN TEXT. When sending
    as plain text the HTML that makes the font look larger to you isn't
    sent with the message.

    Try it by sending mail to yourself. I just did and it works. You may
    have to set Eudora to ask you how to send in order to run this test if
    HTML is currently your default.

    That's how I am doing it.
    The setting is in Tools -> Options -> Styles Text -> Ask me each time.

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    Ajo Wissink

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