On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 5:25:17 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi guys,

I hope things are going well with the Hermes team. I see you did well in meeting your goal++. I hope it was enough to keep things going for a while.

I know the virus has hit a lot of us in many ways, not all medical. I hope the team is all healthy.

Please check in with us. We like hearing about successes even if they are tiny.

I don't think we have heard from anyone working on Hermes for quite some time now, nearly a year. I have found a number of sites where work was promised and money collected. I can't find any sign of progress in the last year.

I hope everything is ok. I know this pandemic has affected people in unexpected ways.

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On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 10:09:06 -0800 (PST), "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

| On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 5:25:17 PM UTC-4, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote: | > Hi guys,
| >
| > I hope things are going well with the Hermes team. I see you did well in meeting your goal++. I hope it was enough to keep things going for a while.
| >
| > I know the virus has hit a lot of us in many ways, not all medical. I hope the team is all healthy.
| >
| > Please check in with us. We like hearing about successes even if they are tiny.
|
| I don't think we have heard from anyone working on Hermes for quite some time now, nearly a year. I have found a number of sites where work was promised and money collected. I can't find any sign of progress in the last year.
|
| I hope everything is ok. I know this pandemic has affected people in unexpected ways.

It's not in the nature of people to do things such as this successfully without crowing about them. Their silence isn't a positive sign.

Larc

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On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 1:25:57 PM UTC-5, Larc wrote:
<< I don't think we have heard from anyone working on Hermes for quite some time now, nearly a year. I have found a number of sites where work was promised and money collected. I can't find any sign of progress in the last year.
Their silence isn't a positive sign>>

Agree.

I am surprised when the source was finally release there was so little interest. The previous (pre-release of source) Thunderbird based effort was ridiculous (not a port, not compatible) but significant effort went into it.

Hermes, but comparison, was always lame. A real effort requires people dedicated to the project full time, continuous upgrades, extensive beta testing -- real staff and real commitment. The project apparently never had that, and it did make promises
about a release never happened. I guess there aren't enough die-hard Eudora-ites to fund a real effort.

Is there any sense or statistics of how many Eudora users are left? Or what the commercial prospects would be for a fully modern, fully supported version?

- Charles

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Ignataz <charles.b.kramer@gmail.com> on Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:51:32
-0800 (PST) typed in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows the following:

Is there any sense or statistics of how many Eudora users are left?

Or how many of us still use it because "it works", and we have
umpteen years of email archives we don't want to lose.
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Next Month's Panel: Having eliminated the old Them(tm)
Selecting who insufficiently Us(tm) to serve as the new Them(tm)

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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:51:32 -0800 (PST), in <270a3f1f-9072-4ff3-aba7-b11892d8725dn@googlegroups.com>, Ignataz <charles.b.kramer@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 1:25:57 PM UTC-5, Larc wrote:
<< I don't think we have heard from anyone working on Hermes
for quite some time now, nearly a year. I have found a number
of sites where work was promised and money collected. I can't
find any sign of progress in the last year.
Their silence isn't a positive sign>>

Agree.

I am surprised when the source was finally release there was so
little interest. The previous (pre-release of source) Thunderbird
based effort was ridiculous (not a port, not compatible) but
significant effort went into it.

Hermes, but comparison, was always lame. A real effort requires
people dedicated to the project full time, continuous upgrades,
extensive beta testing -- real staff and real commitment.
The project apparently never had that, and it did make promises
about a release never happened. I guess there aren't enough
die-hard Eudora-ites to fund a real effort.

As near as I can tell the amount of funding requested - less than
$4,000 - was met. Granted that's not much, but that's all I can see as
having been asked for.

Communication from the Hermes team has been pretty much nonexistent,
so out of sight, out of mind. Not a good position to be in considering
how well the old Eudora continues to work. It's not like Eudora users
are struggling with an antiquated email client that doesn't meet their
needs.

I can't speak for others, but I don't spend more than a few seconds
every few days wanting for anything additional other than
UTF8/Unicode. I don't use or like IMAP and I already have the improved
Hermes SSL DLL, so even tho that was headed toward becoming an issue,
it's been solved for years to come.

Is there any sense or statistics of how many Eudora users are left?
Or what the commercial prospects would be for a fully modern,
fully supported version?

Maybe you'll be so kind as to define what "fully modern" means. I'd
want latest cryptographic security, UTF8/Unicode, and all the features
and seamless operation of the original Eudora. What else constitutes
your definition of "fully modern?" I need a new faded, low contrast
user interface even less than I need another hole in my head.
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On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 1:52:17 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Ignataz <charles....@gmail.com> on Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:51:32
-0800 (PST) typed in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows the following:

Is there any sense or statistics of how many Eudora users are left?

Or how many of us still use it because "it works", and we have
umpteen years of email archives we don't want to lose.

Actually my main complaint is the few parts of Eudora that don't work, at least not well. Eudora has issues with displaying HTML which pretty much every email is these days. It also has some issues with font when entering an email, it displays smaller
type than in the preview window once the email is closed. For some of us old timers that font size difference is significant. Then there are many other issues that I haven't nailed down because there is no one to give the bug to.

I don't want to lose my email history, but it's more of an interface concern than not being able to port the email to a new program. I think that is pretty easy.

Oh yeah! I'd really love if we could get Windows to recognize Eudora as an email program so it would stop trying to make me use Microsoft email.

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On Wednesday, 20 January 2021 at 00:25:47 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 1:52:17 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Ignataz <charles....@gmail.com> on Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:51:32
-0800 (PST) typed in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows the following:

Is there any sense or statistics of how many Eudora users are left?

Or how many of us still use it because "it works", and we have
umpteen years of email archives we don't want to lose.

Actually my main complaint is the few parts of Eudora that don't work, at least not well. Eudora has issues with displaying HTML which pretty much every email is these days. It also has some issues with font when entering an email, it displays smaller

type than in the preview window once the email is closed. For some of us old timers that font size difference is significant. Then there are many other issues that I haven't nailed down because there is no one to give the bug to.

I don't want to lose my email history, but it's more of an interface concern than not being able to port the email to a new program. I think that is pretty easy.

Oh yeah! I'd really love if we could get Windows to recognize Eudora as an email program so it would stop trying to make me use Microsoft email.

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Rick C.

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The problem with making Eudora the default e-mail program on modern versions of Windows is fairly easy to overcome.
The trouble is caused by it needing to write to the Windows registry to a key which Windows versions after XP will not normally allow it to use.
The answer is to run Eudora as an administrator, but just once. Don't run it like that permanently.
If you right click on the shortcut, there should be an option there to do that. Try it and you may find that you can then set Eudora as the default e-mail handler in the Windows settings.
HTH. Cheers, Dave.

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On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 16:25:46 -0800 (PST), in <e1e19a87-7990-45b6-a8f9-d6686e1e04a8n@googlegroups.com>, "gnuarm.del...@gmail.com" <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 1:52:17 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Ignataz <charles....@gmail.com> on Thu, 14 Jan 2021 21:51:32
-0800 (PST) typed in comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows the following:

Is there any sense or statistics of how many Eudora users are left?

Or how many of us still use it because "it works", and we have
umpteen years of email archives we don't want to lose.

Actually my main complaint is the few parts of Eudora that don't work,
at least not well. Eudora has issues with displaying HTML which pretty
much every email is these days.

That isn't my experience at all. I get very little email in HTML
format and most of the email that uses HTML usually uses it
unnecessarily because the sender didn't apply any formatting. It's
just freaking Microsoft (and web based email) wrapping tags around
default settings... and tripling (at least) the size of the email with pointless CSS definitions that rarely get applied to any of the text.
I can send these monstrosities to my browser for usually no meaningful
change in the display other than the font style and maybe the size...
Eudora displays in Arial (my choice) while a sender might use Times
Roman. So what!!!

I don't correspond with any tween girls so improving HTML handling by
Eudora is pretty much at the bottom of my list. Yes, I hate HTML
email!

I don't want to lose my email history, but it's more of an interface
concern than not being able to port the email to a new program.
I think that is pretty easy.

Yes, it should be easy, given the format Eudora uses.

Oh yeah! I'd really love if we could get Windows to recognize
Eudora as an email program so it would stop trying to make
me use Microsoft email.

Settings > Apps > Default Apps
and select Eudora for email? No problems here.
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Jim H

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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 at 21:51:32, Ignataz <charles.b.kramer@gmail.com>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
[]

Is there any sense or statistics of how many Eudora users are left? Or

(Would be interesting to know - more as a proportion than a figure.
Maybe one of those sites that publish browser share knows.)

what the commercial prospects would be for a fully modern, fully
supported version?

- Charles

My Eudora-using friend is trying Pandora; she hasn't got it fully
working yet (receiving but not sending), but she likes the look of it,
and she's been a Eudora user - and blind - for many years. Pandora seems
to be modern and supported, at least at the moment. (Is anything ever so
for good?)






7!
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(Apparently he was quoting James Taylor's "Sweet Baby James".)

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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 at 21:51:32, Ignataz <charles.b.kramer@gmail.com>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
[]

Is there any sense or statistics of how many Eudora users are left? Or

(Would be interesting to know - more as a proportion than a figure.
Maybe one of those sites that publish browser share knows.)

Until another product supports the ability to mimic Eudora's filter option that allows me to shell another application (Notify Application) and pass the body of
my email to that application then I am stuck with Eudora forever. I use it for processing Paypal notifications with a custom app that I wrote and absolutely depend on that feature.

-mhd

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:43:23 -0500, -mhd <not_real@invalid.com> declaimed
the following:

Until another product supports the ability to mimic Eudora's filter option that
allows me to shell another application (Notify Application) and pass the body of
my email to that application then I am stuck with Eudora forever. I use it for >processing Paypal notifications with a custom app that I wrote and absolutely >depend on that feature.

From the Pandora Help file...

-=-=-=-
Notify Application - Notifies selected application upon message(s) arrival/filtering, and, optionally, provides information from the message
via notification parameters.
Note. Hold down Shift key when pressing Notify Application button to use default application for eml/html/txt files. Default application is relevant when one of the MESSAGE_FILE parameters is used (please see below).

Enter notification parameters, separated by blank spaces, into the text box below Notify Application button. Following substitution variables are available:

Notification Parameter Message Field
%DATE_TIME% Date and Time
%WHO% Who
%SUBJECT% Subject
%LABEL% Label
%JUNK_SCORE% Junk Score
%FROM% From
%TO% To
%CC% CC
%BCC% BCC

To pass the entire message inside the single file, use %MESSAGE_FILE% parameter. Message file extension is eml.
To pass message HTML text version inside the file, use
%MESSAGE_FILE_TEXT_HTML% parameter. Message file extension is html.
To pass message plain text version inside the file, use %MESSAGE_FILE_TEXT_PLAIN% parameter. Message file extension is txt.

-=-=-=-


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Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:43:23 -0500, -mhd <not_real@invalid.com> declaimed
the following:

Until another product supports the ability to mimic Eudora's filter option that
allows me to shell another application (Notify Application) and pass the body of
my email to that application then I am stuck with Eudora forever. I use it for
processing Paypal notifications with a custom app that I wrote and absolutely >>depend on that feature.

From the Pandora Help file...

-=-=-=-
Notify Application - Notifies selected application upon message(s) >arrival/filtering, and, optionally, provides information from the message
via notification parameters.
Note. Hold down Shift key when pressing Notify Application button to use >default application for eml/html/txt files. Default application is relevant >when one of the MESSAGE_FILE parameters is used (please see below).

Well color me amazed and grateful for another client option.

Can Pandora import Eudora filters?

-mhd

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:32:07 -0500, -mhd <not_real@invalid.com> declaimed
the following:

Well color me amazed and grateful for another client option.

Can Pandora import Eudora filters?

Well, the "Importing Witch" (guess Brana doesn't like Wizards <G>) does list "Filters" as an option, but since I've been running Pandora for two
years now, I didn't go further than the first import page. I'd assume it handles Eudora filters, as it handles accounts, mailboxes (messages), etc.

Where Eudora filters were limited to a max of two criteria (AND/OR/IGNORE), Pandora allows creating a list of criteria with "match all"/"match any". An example (they are stored in XML format)

<filter Incoming="1" Manual="1" Outgoing="0" Description="" MatchAll="0" Criteria="«Any Header»" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@.*.xyz&gt;"
MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2" ShowInfoBox="0" ShowStrip="0" PlaySound="0" SoundNewMail="0" SoundFile="" SpeakWho="0" SpeakSubject="0" VoiceTokenId="" CopyToMailbox="0" MailboxDestinationCopy="C:\Users\Wulfraed\AppData\Roaming\Pandora\Mail\In.mf\In.mbc"
MoveToMailbox="1" MailboxDestinationMove="C:\Users\Wulfraed\AppData\Roaming\Pandora\Mail\Junk.mf\Junk.mbc"
SetJunkScore="1" JunkScore="0" SetStatus="1" Status="1901" SetPriority="0" Priority="0" SetLabel="0" Label="1" MakeSubject="0" Subject="" SetPersonality="0" Personality="3212" SetServerStatus="0" ServerStatus="0" Reply="0" ReplyWithPersonalityId="-1" ReplyWithStationeryId="-1"
Forward="0" ForwardWithPersonalityId="-1" ForwardWithStationeryId="-1" ForwardToRecipients="" Redirect="0" RedirectWithPersonalityId="-1" RedirectWithStationeryId="-1" RedirectToRecipients="" OpenMailbox="0" OpenMessage="0" LogEvent="0" AddToReport="0" NotifyAsUsual="0" NotifyApplication="0" ApplicationNotifier="" NotificationParameters="" SkipRest="1" Id="565231224">
<AdditionalCriteria>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="0" Text="compute.amazonaws.com" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="17624" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="0" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="«Any Header»" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@.*crateandbarrel.com&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="17624" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="0" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="0" Text="&lt;sales@eabco.com&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="17624" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="0" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@edmundoptics.com&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="17624" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="0" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@email.scientificamerican.com&gt;" MatchCase="0"
MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="0"
Text="&lt;no-reply@e.carrentals.com&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="0" Text="&lt;no-reply@sesoffers.com&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="0" Text="compute-1.amazonaws.com" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="0" Text="&lt;J&amp;PCycles@m.jpcycles.com&gt;" MatchCase="0"
MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@.*pw&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="Subject" Conjunction="14"
Text="&lt;.*@0kmargentina.com.ar&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="0" Text="hohiko.co.uk" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@uhnresearch.ca&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@portserobr.nl&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="«Any Header»" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@partners.extranet.microsoft.com&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="«Any Header»" Conjunction="14"
Text="&lt;.*@mcconacting.nl&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0"
AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="«Any Header»" Conjunction="14"
Text="&lt;.*@beazioteci.nl&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0"
AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="«Any Header»" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@newtotextec.com&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0"
AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="From" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@hohiko.uk&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="«Any Header»" Conjunction="14"
Text="&lt;.*@softworphyt.nl&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0"
AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/>
<Item Criteria="«Any Header»" Conjunction="14" Text="&lt;.*@bloambly.*&gt;" MatchCase="0" MatchJunkScore="0" AgeDays="0" AgoHours="0" AgoDays="0" AgoMonths="0" MatchAgeCategory="1" MatchStatus="0" MatchPriority="2"/> </AdditionalCriteria>
</filter>



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I don't think we are going to see a rewrite of Eudora. We never hear from the guy who took the money and stopped working on the software. I expect this was a bigger bite than he could chew and he has given up.

So one day (maybe soon) Eudora will simply no longer work under the most current release of Windows and that will be the end of it unless people are willing to maintain old computers running the old versions of Windows like some do with XP.

I like Eudora, but I'm having to use my phone more and more, so gmail is starting to be an important part of my email "experience". Trying to lug a laptop around is just not workable. That may be the end of Eudora even more so than Windows
compatibility.

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