• A simple way to be able to access my old Eudora mailbase?

    From tamspf@racsa.co.cr@21:1/5 to Peter Ceresole on Thu Mar 2 04:48:33 2017
    Hello, just found your thread. Am in the exact same position right now - upgrading, switching to Mail for sending/receiving, but want to retain access to 20 years of emails . What did you end up doing and how did it work out? Thank you for your reply! -
    Petra Schoep

    On Saturday, May 17, 2014 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-6, Peter Ceresole wrote:
    I have, in the past, been running Eudora 6.2.4 in MacOS 10.6.8. For
    several reasons, mainly that Demon (my ISP) have outsourced their mail service to an Outlook system, and Eudora cannot connect, however much I
    try with ports etc, with the new POP3 server. It works with IMAP, but
    that's not what I want.
    So I have switched to Apple's Mail, and it works very well for the
    simple use I make of it.
    It now looks like a good idea to switch OS to 10.9.3, but I will then
    lose Eudora, and access to my historic mailbase, which occasionally
    comes in useful, and to the Eudora address book.
    So, a simple (I hope) question.
    How can I retain access to my Eudora mailbase. Not to send or receive
    mail, but only to read the historic mail, and access the Eudora address
    book?
    Is there an application I can install, simply, which will do this? And
    run under Mavericks?
    If possible, I'd like to avoid any deep fiddling.
    Thanks...
    --
    Peter

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  • From Patty Winter@21:1/5 to tamspf@racsa.co.cr on Thu Mar 2 19:56:30 2017
    In article <6cd22417-7f60-4aab-9353-a4b805179898@googlegroups.com>,
    <tamspf@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
    Hello, just found your thread. Am in the exact same position right now - >upgrading, switching to Mail for sending/receiving, but want to retain
    access to 20 years of emails . What did you end up doing and how did it
    work out? Thank you for your reply! -Petra Schoep

    Petra, I haven't upgraded from Snow Leopard yet, but I'm about to do
    so. I've already run a test conversion with Eudora Mailbox Cleaner and
    am going to run one with Emailchemy. I suggest that you investigate
    both of those programs for switching from Eudora to Mail.


    Patty

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  • From Kathy Morgan@21:1/5 to Patty Winter on Fri Mar 3 19:15:44 2017
    Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

    In article <6cd22417-7f60-4aab-9353-a4b805179898@googlegroups.com>,
    <tamspf@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
    Hello, just found your thread. Am in the exact same position right now - >upgrading, switching to Mail for sending/receiving, but want to retain >access to 20 years of emails . What did you end up doing and how did it >work out? Thank you for your reply! -Petra Schoep

    Petra, I haven't upgraded from Snow Leopard yet, but I'm about to do
    so. I've already run a test conversion with Eudora Mailbox Cleaner and
    am going to run one with Emailchemy. I suggest that you investigate
    both of those programs for switching from Eudora to Mail.

    Another thing to remember is that if you retain a copy of the Eudora
    mailbox(s) in their original form, you can always open it with a text
    editor, such as Text Wrangler, to read the contents. It's hideously inconvenient, but it is an option for anything lost in converting.

    --
    Kathy

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  • From Patty Winter@21:1/5 to Kathy Morgan on Sun Mar 5 05:56:35 2017
    In article <1n2bs1f.7y8khh1nyibz6N%kmorgan@spamcop.net>,
    Kathy Morgan <kmorgan@spamcop.net> wrote:
    Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

    Petra, I haven't upgraded from Snow Leopard yet, but I'm about to do
    so. I've already run a test conversion with Eudora Mailbox Cleaner and
    am going to run one with Emailchemy. I suggest that you investigate
    both of those programs for switching from Eudora to Mail.

    Another thing to remember is that if you retain a copy of the Eudora >mailbox(s) in their original form, you can always open it with a text
    editor, such as Text Wrangler, to read the contents. It's hideously >inconvenient, but it is an option for anything lost in converting.

    Good point. And I am indeed keeping all of my original Eudora mailboxes.

    BTW, tomorrow will be the big day. I'm finally upgrading my iMac past
    Snow Leopard. Farewell to Eudora. :-(


    Patty

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  • From Jean-Pierre Kuypers@21:1/5 to kmorgan@spamcop.net on Sun Mar 5 09:29:34 2017
    In article (Dans l'article)
    <1n2bs1f.7y8khh1nyibz6N%kmorgan@spamcop.net>, Kathy Morgan <kmorgan@spamcop.net> wrote (écrivait) :

    Another thing to remember is that if you retain a copy of the Eudora mailbox(s) in their original form, you can always open it with a text
    editor, such as Text Wrangler, to read the contents. It's hideously inconvenient, but it is an option for anything lost in converting.

    An other way may be to use "mail -f filename" in the Terminal, where
    "filename" is the name of the mailbox file.

    Caveat !
    The end-of-line characters must first be changed from Legacy Mac OS
    (CR) to Unix (LF), using TextWrangler as example.

    --
    Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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  • From Patty Winter@21:1/5 to Kuypers@address.invalid on Mon Mar 6 19:41:01 2017
    In article <060320172008004517%Kuypers@address.invalid>,
    Jean-Pierre Kuypers <Kuypers@address.invalid> wrote:

    In 2013 I was switching from Eudora to Apple Mail.

    I carefully read "Converting Email from Eudora: Why I No Longer Live at
    the P.O." by Adam C. Engst <http://tidbits.com/article/12382>

    Hah, that's a very cute article name. A nice nod to Eudora Welty.

    I just read Adam's article and his problems with Emailchemy. Now, I
    only had to convert 16,000 messages, not the nearly 1 million that
    Adam had. Nonetheless, I suspect that the situation has changed since
    he wrote about his experiences in 2011. For one thing, I didn't have
    to save my Eudora mail as a UNIX mailbox; I was able to convert directly
    to Apple Mail format.

    I forgot to compress my Eudora mailbox before quitting Eudora for the
    last time. I think Emailchemy ignored the deleted messages, because
    my converted In mailbox is only 1/3 the size it was in Eudora.

    After doing a successful demo conversion on El Capitan, I just purchased Emailchemy and did a real conversion. It was fast and went fine.


    Patty

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  • From Jean-Pierre Kuypers@21:1/5 to tamspf@racsa.co.cr on Mon Mar 6 20:08:00 2017
    In article (Dans l'article) <6cd22417-7f60-4aab-9353-a4b805179898@googlegroups.com>,
    <tamspf@racsa.co.cr> wrote (écrivait) :

    Hello, just found your thread. Am in the exact same position right now - upgrading, switching to Mail for sending/receiving, but want to retain access to 20 years of emails . What did you end up doing and how did it work out?

    In 2013 I was switching from Eudora to Apple Mail.

    I carefully read "Converting Email from Eudora: Why I No Longer Live at
    the P.O." by Adam C. Engst <http://tidbits.com/article/12382>

    I did the "Pre-conversion Clean Up Tasks."
    I used "Eudora Mailbox Cleaner."

    After 25 years using Eudora, I had about 1,350,000 messages in the
    mailboxes of my Eudora "Mail Folder."

    I still have access to my (old) emails transfered from Eudora to Apple
    Mail.

    --
    Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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  • From Jean-Pierre Kuypers@21:1/5 to patty1@wintertime.com on Mon Mar 6 20:58:48 2017
    In article (Dans l'article) <o9ke0d$v5c$1@dont-email.me>, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote (écrivait) :

    In article <060320172008004517%Kuypers@address.invalid>,
    Jean-Pierre Kuypers <Kuypers@address.invalid> wrote:
    ... "Converting Email from Eudora: Why I No Longer Live at
    the P.O." by Adam C. Engst <http://tidbits.com/article/12382>

    Hah, that's a very cute article name. A nice nod to Eudora Welty.

    Maybe could you read
    <http://tidbits.com/article/800>

    --
    Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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  • From David Morrison@21:1/5 to Patty Winter on Fri Mar 10 12:49:38 2017
    In article <o9g9aj$t2c$1@dont-email.me>,
    Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

    In article <1n2bs1f.7y8khh1nyibz6N%kmorgan@spamcop.net>,
    Kathy Morgan <kmorgan@spamcop.net> wrote:
    Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

    Petra, I haven't upgraded from Snow Leopard yet, but I'm about to do
    so. I've already run a test conversion with Eudora Mailbox Cleaner and
    am going to run one with Emailchemy. I suggest that you investigate
    both of those programs for switching from Eudora to Mail.

    Another thing to remember is that if you retain a copy of the Eudora >mailbox(s) in their original form, you can always open it with a text >editor, such as Text Wrangler, to read the contents. It's hideously >inconvenient, but it is an option for anything lost in converting.

    Good point. And I am indeed keeping all of my original Eudora mailboxes.

    BTW, tomorrow will be the big day. I'm finally upgrading my iMac past
    Snow Leopard. Farewell to Eudora. :-(


    Patty

    Did all of you go to Apple Mail? Did you look at any other mail clients?

    I am in the same situation with Eudora, and have found Apple Mail to be
    so limited as to be unusable. I am particularly annoyed that each new
    version of OS X removes features from Mail, features that I would use.

    So I am planning to migrate to Thunderbird, even though it is ugly. It
    does have the advantage that there are lots of useful plugins which can
    extend its functionality, eg, delete duplicate e-mails in a mailbox,
    something that Eudora could do.

    I am also planning to migrate my accounts to IMAP since it is convenient
    to be able to access them from a phone or tablet. I think this can be
    done from within Eudora, since Eudora supports IMAP properly. The only disadvantage of this is that you cannot drag a mailbox over to an IMAP
    account. It looks like you have to create the mailbox, then drag the
    messages over. It is going to be tedious, but hopefully will work. I
    just have to find a couple of days when I can do it all.

    David

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  • From Patty Winter@21:1/5 to davidmor@excite.com on Fri Mar 10 04:19:42 2017
    In article <davidmor-03BAAD.12493810032017@news.internode.on.net>,
    David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

    Did all of you go to Apple Mail? Did you look at any other mail clients?

    I went to Apple Mail, which I've used parttime for years.


    I am in the same situation with Eudora, and have found Apple Mail to be
    so limited as to be unusable.

    What limitations are affecting you?


    I am particularly annoyed that each new
    version of OS X removes features from Mail, features that I would use.

    ??? Like what?


    Patty

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  • From Jean-Pierre Kuypers@21:1/5 to davidmor@excite.com on Fri Mar 10 10:17:27 2017
    In article (Dans l'article) <davidmor-03BAAD.12493810032017@news.internode.on.net>, David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote (écrivait) :

    ... I am particularly annoyed that each new version of OS X removes
    features from Mail, features that I would use.

    I was updating Lion -> Mountain Lion -> Mavericks -> Yosemite -> El
    Capitan -> Sierra, without any trouble with Mail and my emails.

    ... delete duplicate e-mails in a mailbox

    Do you know "Remove Duplicates (Mail)" in <http://www.andreasamann.com/MacOSX/Mail_Scripts>?

    I am also planning to migrate my accounts to IMAP since it is convenient
    to be able to access them from a phone or tablet.

    I'm using POP everywhere.

    On my smartphone and iPod, I uncheck the "Remove copy from server after retrieving a message:" checkbox".

    On my (main) desktop MacBook Pro, I check this box.

    But of course i can no more see my (old) messages when they are already
    read using my main Mac.

    --
    Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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  • From Patty Winter@21:1/5 to rijk@blah.invalid on Mon Mar 13 04:19:00 2017
    In article <rijk-1AC37A.04441313032017@news.xs4all.nl>,
    rijk <rijk@blah.invalid> wrote:

    MailMate is different from Eudora. But it is the same as Eudora, in that
    it lets me configure things how I like, unlike any other mailclient I
    tried. Plus the author is responsive to bug reports and feature
    requests. Good luck finding that anywhere these days… (For example, >MailMate supports delayed sending, a la Eudora, upon my request.)

    I miss that feature now that I've left Eudora! Not that I'm prone to
    wishing that I could take back messages; simply that I sometimes think
    of something I want to add after I've sent them. I know I could just
    leave messages in my Drafts folder for a while. I may start doing that.


    Patty

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  • From rijk@21:1/5 to David Morrison on Mon Mar 13 04:44:13 2017
    In article <davidmor-03BAAD.12493810032017@news.internode.on.net>,
    David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

    […]

    Did all of you go to Apple Mail?

    No.

    I did so initially. But in the end I upgraded to MailMate: <https://freron.com/>.

    MailMate is different from Eudora. But it is the same as Eudora, in that
    it lets me configure things how I like, unlike any other mailclient I
    tried. Plus the author is responsive to bug reports and feature
    requests. Good luck finding that anywhere these days… (For example,
    MailMate supports delayed sending, a la Eudora, upon my request.)

    Did you look at any other mail clients?

    At the time, I tried everything that did IMAP and was free to try. I
    hated all, except for MailMate and Mail.app.

    Initially I found Mail.app OK-ish, but in the long run its lack of configurability started to really annoy me. I also dislike that OS
    updates tend to include changes to Mail.app. That's too many changes at
    once, for my taste.

    […]

    I am also planning to migrate my accounts to IMAP since it is convenient
    to be able to access them from a phone or tablet. I think this can be
    done from within Eudora, since Eudora supports IMAP properly.

    I'm no specialist, but as I understand it, Eudora's IMAP support was
    "limited". Still, for me, it worked well enough with the server that I
    used at the time.

    If your IMAP server works well enough with Eudora, I would suggest using
    Eudora to switch to IMAP, because then IMAP will be the only thing new
    for you. Easier to get used to while still using the mail client you
    already know.

    Once you have moved to IMAP, and thus have all your mail stored
    server-side, it will be easy to try different mail clients, even simultaneously. Just add the account to the mail client, and it will see
    all your mailboxes and their content on the server. No need to convert
    local mailboxes. (Things like address books and filters are a different
    story, obviously.)

    Do consider privacy though: storing all your mail indefinitely on a
    server that is not under your control adds some risk, of course.

    --
    "-- \n"

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  • From =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bernd_Fr=F6hlich?=@21:1/5 to rijk on Mon Mar 13 09:21:41 2017
    rijk <rijk@blah.invalid> wrote:

    I did so initially. But in the end I upgraded to MailMate: <https://freron.com/>.

    MailMate is different from Eudora. But it is the same as Eudora, in that
    it lets me configure things how I like, unlike any other mailclient I
    tried. Plus the author is responsive to bug reports and feature
    requests. Good luck finding that anywhere these days… (For example, MailMate supports delayed sending, a la Eudora, upon my request.)

    Wow, nice one. Never heard of it. Thanks for the hint.

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to befr@eaglesoft.de on Mon Mar 13 09:04:12 2017
    In article <1n2tihb.ctf2fh1fdkppuN%befr@eaglesoft.de>, Bernd Fröhlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> wrote:

    rijk <rijk@blah.invalid> wrote:

    I did so initially. But in the end I upgraded to MailMate:
    <https://freron.com/>.

    (For example, MailMate supports delayed sending, a la Eudora,
    upon my request.)

    Wow, nice one. Never heard of it. Thanks for the hint.

    I put that into my client too (at the end of Eudora, I wrote my own
    client rather than moving to rubbish like thunderbird).

    --
    "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
    lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores
    the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
    into it in the first place." - Douglas Adams

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  • From David Morrison@21:1/5 to Patty Winter on Wed Mar 22 11:45:23 2017
    In article <o9t9gt$tlv$3@dont-email.me>,
    Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

    I am particularly annoyed that each new
    version of OS X removes features from Mail, features that I would use.

    ??? Like what?

    The only one I can think of immediately is the priority. The Internet
    standards for e-mail specify that there should be five levels. Apple
    used to allow five levels, but in some recent update reduced it to
    three. I do not know many people that use the priorities, but I can
    imagine some would be p*ssed off.

    As for others, I come across them every time I try to use Apple Mail and
    they confirm that I do not want to be dependent on Apple.

    I have experienced myself, and also hear too many horrendous tales of
    corrupted mailboxes for Apple Mail to trust 20 years of e-mail to it.

    Cheers

    David

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  • From Jean-Pierre Kuypers@21:1/5 to davidmor@excite.com on Wed Mar 22 08:58:01 2017
    In article (Dans l'article) <davidmor-7332E7.11452322032017@news.internode.on.net>, David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote (écrivait) :

    The Internet standards for e-mail specify that there should be five
    levels.

    What standards?
    Could you tell the RFC please?

    --
    Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to David Morrison on Wed Mar 22 10:25:06 2017
    In article <davidmor-7332E7.11452322032017@news.internode.on.net>,
    David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

    In article <o9t9gt$tlv$3@dont-email.me>,
    Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

    I am particularly annoyed that each new
    version of OS X removes features from Mail, features that I would use.

    ??? Like what?

    The only one I can think of immediately is the priority. The Internet >standards for e-mail specify that there should be five levels.

    What makes you think that any part of the mail system pays any
    attention to the priority? When you send a mail, it is immediately sent
    to the mail host you specified in your configuration (unless you choose
    to queue the mail, if your mail client supports that).

    The mail host then looks up and tries to contact the destination host.
    If it can do so, it then sends your mail item to that host. The pickup
    of the mail by your correspondent's mail client is then dependent on
    the frequency with which that client is configured to pick up mail.

    The only likely delay in that process is if the destination mail host
    is not immediately reachable, in which case your mail host tries again
    later.

    I could imagine that the priority might alter the ordering of treatment
    of mails by your mail host, and it might alter the retry delay in the
    case the destination host could not be reached. But I can't imagine
    that either of these would significantly influence the arrival time of
    your mail at your correspondent's computer. BICBW.

    --
    "Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of
    those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf

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  • From Patty Winter@21:1/5 to timstreater@greenbee.net on Wed Mar 22 16:48:01 2017
    In article <220320171025069651%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
    Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    In article <davidmor-7332E7.11452322032017@news.internode.on.net>,
    David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

    The only one I can think of immediately is the priority. The Internet >>standards for e-mail specify that there should be five levels.

    What makes you think that any part of the mail system pays any
    attention to the priority?

    AFIK, priority was never intended to affect how a message is handled.
    It's only intended as an alert for the recipient.

    I just tried it in Apple Mail and discovered that setting a message's
    priority to High inserts an X header: "X-Priority: 1". However, Mail
    doesn't display that when you receive the message! I think you have
    to set up a Mail rule in order for message priority to be acted upon
    (put in a Smart Mailbox, flagged, whatever). Mail's help system doesn't
    even explain how the priority setting is supposed to work.


    Patty

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  • From Tim Streater@21:1/5 to patty1@wintertime.com on Wed Mar 22 17:20:05 2017
    In article <oau9s1$sqe$1@dont-email.me>, Patty Winter
    <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

    In article <220320171025069651%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
    Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
    In article <davidmor-7332E7.11452322032017@news.internode.on.net>,
    David Morrison <davidmor@excite.com> wrote:

    The only one I can think of immediately is the priority. The Internet >>>standards for e-mail specify that there should be five levels.

    What makes you think that any part of the mail system pays any
    attention to the priority?

    AFIK, priority was never intended to affect how a message is handled.
    It's only intended as an alert for the recipient.

    I just tried it in Apple Mail and discovered that setting a message's >priority to High inserts an X header: "X-Priority: 1". However, Mail
    doesn't display that when you receive the message! I think you have
    to set up a Mail rule in order for message priority to be acted upon
    (put in a Smart Mailbox, flagged, whatever). Mail's help system doesn't
    even explain how the priority setting is supposed to work.

    So there's not even a standard for what clients are supposed to do with
    it. Personally I've never paid any attention to it.

    --
    Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
    a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
    when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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  • From David Morrison@21:1/5 to Tim Streater on Thu Mar 23 13:05:39 2017
    In article <220320171025069651%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
    Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

    What makes you think that any part of the mail system pays any
    attention to the priority? When you send a mail, it is immediately sent
    to the mail host you specified in your configuration (unless you choose
    to queue the mail, if your mail client supports that).

    Ok, there are two parts to the priority. One is that it can signal to
    the receiver which messages the sender thinks are more important than
    others. Eudora definitely had a priority column in which you could see
    the priority and deal with those messages first. Other mail clients may
    or may not display this.

    Secondly, bulk mail always used to be set to lowest priority. This was typically generated automatically by mailing list handlers irrespective
    of the priority set when the message was first created. MTAs like
    Sendmail would use the priority to manage queues of outgoing mail.
    Things marked high priority would be sent first, and low priority items
    held until the higher priority queues were all sent.

    I have no idea whether mailing list handlers still use this
    functionality, or whether it has been superseded by some other method of prioritising e-mail. I note that many of the mailing lists I subscribe
    to have a header:

    Precedence: list
    or
    Precedence: bulk

    Yahoo Groups, however, seems to have no priority-related header.

    From a quick scan of Google, it seems the whole concept of e-mail
    priority is pretty vague.

    But anyway, I was not debating the value of the priority setting, but
    giving an example that Apple removes functionality from its software.

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