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  • Re: Mail programs

    From Ed Ravin@21:1/5 to Kyonshi on Sun May 26 03:38:41 2024
    From somewhere in cyberspace, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> said:
    This might be a bit of a stupid question, but as I can't seem to find
    the information anywhere I am still going to ask...

    Are there any email programs that support the bangpath address format?
    We have just made a very small network (three computers so far) and
    wanted to send mail between them. Unfortunately alpine seems not very
    fond of any address that doesn't contain an @ and mutt accepts it but
    then postfix doesn't know how to deal with it.

    Have you read this yet?

    https://www.postfix.org/UUCP_README.html
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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 26 10:12:23 2024
    On 25.05.2024 um 22:32 Uhr Kyonshi wrote:

    This might be a bit of a stupid question, but as I can't seem to find
    the information anywhere I am still going to ask...

    Are there any email programs that support the bangpath address format?

    IIRC this needs to be done on the MTA. You only use user@domain in your
    MUA because the UUCP routing is different for every site and will be
    handled by the MTA.
    Sendmail and Postfix can handle UUCP, but I haven't tried that yet.

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  • From lkh@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Mon May 27 17:05:41 2024
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 25.05.2024 um 22:32 Uhr Kyonshi wrote:

    This might be a bit of a stupid question, but as I can't seem to find
    the information anywhere I am still going to ask...

    Are there any email programs that support the bangpath address format?

    IIRC this needs to be done on the MTA. You only use user@domain in your
    MUA because the UUCP routing is different for every site and will be
    handled by the MTA.
    Sendmail and Postfix can handle UUCP, but I haven't tried that yet.


    I remember that I had a test setup at home with two machines linked
    by a serial null modem. I'm sure I could use bang paths's as well as
    domain style addresses. Well, that was about 15 years ago.

    Maybe I had sendmail running as an MTA back then? Current postfix
    converts bang path addresses to domain style.

    mail(1) accepts bang path addresses in any case, and I think mutt as well.

    cheers,

    lkh
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    Laurens Kils-Hütten
    https://sdf-eu.org/~lkh

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  • From lkh@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 27 17:14:15 2024
    I just tried to send mail to my account on sdf.org using
    this address: sdf!lkh

    Since sdf is listed when I run uuname on sdf-eu.org that
    would be the proper uucp path.

    Here's the error message I got from MAILER-DAEMON:

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
    <sdf!lkh>
    (reason: Service unavailable)

    Which means: netbsd's sendmail *doesn't* mangle bang style addresses,
    and neither does mutt, the MUA I used to send the mail.

    It probably doen't work because the uucp setup is not working
    any more (quite likely) and this is rightly reported: Service
    unavailable.

    Cheers,

    lkh

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 27 20:59:27 2024
    On 27.05.2024 um 17:14 Uhr lkh wrote:

    Which means: netbsd's sendmail *doesn't* mangle bang style addresses,
    and neither does mutt, the MUA I used to send the mail.

    Is sendmail configured to use uucp?
    IIRC this can be disabled.

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  • From lkh@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Tue May 28 20:43:46 2024
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 27.05.2024 um 17:14 Uhr lkh wrote:

    Which means: netbsd's sendmail *doesn't* mangle bang style addresses,
    and neither does mutt, the MUA I used to send the mail.

    Is sendmail configured to use uucp?
    IIRC this can be disabled.


    I'm not sure, probably not, but the point was that said MUA
    installation doesn't seem to rewrite bang path addresses.

    Two things I learned:

    1) netbsd's sendmail is actually postfix

    2) postfix has a configuration parameter called

    swap_bangpath

    see https://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#swap_bangpath
    or postconf(5). I'm doubtful that this setting is really
    useful to have postfix work with bang path addresses as
    expected.

    With our approach of "experimental archaeology" in mind,
    maybe it would be more useful, and possibly easier, to
    write a simple MUA ourselves:

    - use uucp / rmail to forward to other systems
    - append to local mail spool whatever messages are
    incoming.

    what more would it need to do?

    cheers,

    lkh

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  • From lkh@21:1/5 to lkh on Tue May 28 21:19:03 2024
    lkh <lkh@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
    With our approach of "experimental archaeology" in mind,
    maybe it would be more useful, and possibly easier, to
    write a simple MUA ourselves:

    - use uucp / rmail to forward to other systems
    - append to local mail spool whatever messages are
    incoming.

    what more would it need to do?

    I just tried to hand a test message with bang path address to
    mail(1) (circumventing postfix entirely). Here's my transscript:

    -----
    $ cat incoming.mail >> /var/spool/mail/lkh # minimal MTA
    $ mail
    mail version v14.9.24. Type `?' for help
    /var/spool/mail/lkh: 1 message 1 new
    N 1 elrond!lkh Tue May 28 22:50 6/143 "bang path test " ?
    [-- Message 1 -- 6 lines, 143 bytes --]:
    To: dwalin!lkh
    Subject: bang path test
    From: elrond!lkh

    a test message with bang path address style
    ? r
    To: elrond!lkh
    Subject: Re: bang path test

    mail(1) works with bang path addresses, no problem ...

    -----

    So I think this answers the original question ;-)

    ~lkh

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 07:43:29 2024
    On 28.05.2024 um 20:43 Uhr lkh wrote:

    1) netbsd's sendmail is actually postfix

    This is because the "sendmail" command is being used by many
    applications and other MTAs need to be compatible with it.

    You can install sendmail on NetBSD if you want the real one.

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