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    From Harry Putnam@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 18:02:44 2023
    If I am building sendmail from source and blan using the ./Build
    command, how would I add an "--prefix=/some/dir" flag to it

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Harry Putnam on Tue Mar 28 17:39:26 2023
    On 3/28/23 4:02 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
    If I am building sendmail from source and blan using the ./Build
    command, how would I add an "--prefix=/some/dir" flag to it

    I believe that's covered in the README file in the root of the
    (extracted) source code directory.



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  • From Harry Putnam@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Tue Mar 28 22:05:30 2023
    Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:

    On 3/28/23 4:02 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
    If I am building sendmail from source and blan using the ./Build
    command, how would I add an "--prefix=/some/dir" flag to it

    I believe that's covered in the README file in the root of the
    (extracted) source code directory.

    I finished my first scans of sendmail-version/README 17857
    sendmail-verion/sendmail/README 84752
    sendmail-version/sendmail/cf/README 192749
    sendmail-verion/sendmail/cf/cf/README 901
    ========
    296259


    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------
    The only thing I noticed was in the first one sendmail-verion

    It's really about which DB software to use

    ,/Build -I/path/to/include/directory

    but at least vaguely has the look of similar syntax
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------

    First I searched them all with grep for `prefix' but understood it could be worded differently.

    Evan a slip shod scan like I probably did is pretty time consuming at
    nearly 300,000 lines.

    In my scanning it appeared there are really only two of them likely to
    contain such a thing.

    There were a few 'make' cmds for finding include files and such, maybe that
    is how it might be done; using the make command.

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Harry Putnam on Tue Mar 28 20:57:28 2023
    On 3/28/23 8:49 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
    I'm not getting how it is supposed work yet though

    I've built Sendmail from source many times. But I don't remember ever
    changing the installation directories.

    I don't know where the definition is.

    You might try recursively greping for the default installation location,
    or the last directory there of, to see if you can find the definition.



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  • From Harry Putnam@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 28 22:49:30 2023
    [...]

    The only thing I noticed was in the first one sendmail-verion

    It's really about which DB software to use

    ,/Build -I/path/to/include/directory

    but at least vaguely has the look of similar syntax

    [...]


    I may have hit on something in the README in devtools

    ,----
    | You can put such site configuration files in the Site sub-directory;
    | see Site/README for details.
    |
    | If you need to support multiple build configurations from the same tree,
    | you can use prefixes to differentiate your configurations. Use the -Q
    | flag to Build:
    |
    | ./Build -Q prefix
    |
    | Build will select a prefix.*.m4 file instead of the site.*.m4 file according | to the conventions in Site/README, and use it to modify the build
    | configuration. The object directory used will be obj.prefix.*/. Your
    | prefix.*.m4 files should reside in the Site directory. You may not use
    | -Q and -f simultaneously.
    `----

    I'm not getting how it is supposed work yet though

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to Harry Putnam on Wed Mar 29 08:51:08 2023
    On 3/29/23 04:49, Harry Putnam wrote:

    I may have hit on something in the README in devtools

    ,----
    | You can put such site configuration files in the Site sub-directory;
    | see Site/README for details.
    |
    | If you need to support multiple build configurations from the same tree,
    | you can use prefixes to differentiate your configurations. Use the -Q
    | flag to Build:
    |
    | ./Build -Q prefix
    |
    | Build will select a prefix.*.m4 file instead of the site.*.m4 file according
    | to the conventions in Site/README, and use it to modify the build
    | configuration. The object directory used will be obj.prefix.*/. Your
    | prefix.*.m4 files should reside in the Site directory. You may not use
    | -Q and -f simultaneously.
    `----

    I'm not getting how it is supposed work yet though

    To get a hasty overview of options, execute in the sendmail source root directory
    grep ^conf[A-Z] devtools/README

    As far as I can see, there is no prefix like in make, you have to tweak
    the paths for the different types of files that will be installed.

    Maybe the following sites can give some other insights: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap22sec174.html https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/sendmail-cookbook/0596004710/ch01.html

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  • From Claus =?iso-8859-1?Q?A=DFmann?= @21:1/5 to Harry Putnam on Wed Mar 29 03:44:58 2023
    Harry Putnam wrote:
    If I am building sendmail from source and blan using the ./Build
    command, how would I add an "--prefix=/some/dir" flag to it

    See devtools/README.

    confEBINDIR /usr/libexec The location for binaries executed
    from other binaries, e.g., mail.local
    or smrsh.
    confLIBDIR /usr/lib Where to install library files. confMBINDIR /usr/sbin The location of the MTA (sm-mta,
    sendmail) binary.
    confSBINDIR /usr/sbin The location of root-oriented
    commands, such as makemap.
    confUBINDIR /usr/bin The directory for user-executable
    binaries.


    You can put such site configuration files in the Site sub-directory;
    see Site/README for details.


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  • From Harry Putnam@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 29 19:35:48 2023
    Thanking you all for such good input.

    I'm sorry I'm not able to take it in very well . Seems like for every
    tiny step I take there are 10 options or steps required to proceed and i
    don't understand hardly any of them.

    I'm going to have to pull back from attempting building sendmail
    myself. I'll try to get somewhere with what my OS (ubuntu) does with
    it. Followed by a very lot of experimenting and reading until some of it starts to make sense.

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  • From Claus =?iso-8859-1?Q?A=DFmann?= @21:1/5 to Harry Putnam on Thu Mar 30 00:51:01 2023
    Harry Putnam wrote:

    Seems like for every
    tiny step I take there are 10 options or steps required to proceed and i

    "What is the problem you are trying to solve?"

    The default settings usually just work.
    Why do you want to use something like "--prefix"?

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  • From Harry Putnam@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 30 13:34:35 2023
    Claus Aßmann <INVALID_NO_CC_REMOVE_IF_YOU_DO_NOT_POST_ml+sendmail(-no-copies-please)@esmtp.org>
    writes:

    Harry Putnam wrote:

    Seems like for every
    tiny step I take there are 10 options or steps required to proceed and i

    "What is the problem you are trying to solve?"

    The rub for me comes from not having an authentic FQDN. I'm just a
    single user on a connection from my computer to internet by way of
    XFinity.

    That presents serious DNS problems for any lookup activity causing a
    failure of a smarthost to authinenticate, even though I have a special
    uid and pwd from fastmail to access the smtp server as relay.

    If I try to explain further it will get hard to follow. Mainly because
    I don't understand what the heck I'm doing or how the underlying
    process really work.

    However I can show a config that fails. (at end of message)


    The default settings usually just work.

    What are the default settings? Do you mean as my OS would install
    sendmail it should just work from there?

    Why do you want to use something like "--prefix"?

    Its just a handy way to experiment with software and not accidently
    mess up my system. Steer the install away from the expected
    directories and set PATH to find it when testing

    I've never tried it with sendmail but didn't figure it would be too
    hard, turns out it appear to be a bit obtuse.

    I came on that '--prefix=/some/dir' procedure long ago while building
    emacs from source repeatedly.

    It's really not important to current discussion. Probably best to just
    drop it.

    Here is an example failed attempt to send mail with config files below
    in place, using "mailx -vv"

    mail host is "uw.local.lan" (not a recognized FQDN)
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------

    reader > mailx -vv -s "$(date +"%y%m%d%H%M%S")- $(hostname)" reader@jtan.com <msg-file
    reader@jtan.com... Connecting to [127.0.0.1] via relay...
    220 uw.local.lan ESMTP Sendmail 8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-22ubuntu3; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 13:20:32 -0400; (No UCE/UBE) logging access from: uw.local.lan(OK)-uw.local.lan [127.0.0.1]
    EHLO uw.local.lan
    250-uw.local.lan Hello uw.local.lan [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    250-PIPELINING
    250-EXPN
    250-VERB
    250-8BITMIME
    250-SIZE
    250-DSN
    250-ETRN
    250-AUTH GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN
    250-DELIVERBY
    250 HELP
    VERB
    250 2.0.0 Verbose mode
    MAIL From:<reader@uw.local.lan> SIZE=1527 AUTH=reader@uw.local.lan
    250 2.1.0 <reader@uw.local.lan>... Sender ok
    RCPT To:<reader@jtan.com>
    DATA
    250 2.1.5 <reader@jtan.com>... Recipient ok
    354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
    .
    050 <reader@jtan.com>... Connecting to smtp.fastmail.com. port 587 via relay... 050 220 smtp.fastmail.com ESMTP ready
    050 >>> EHLO uw.local.lan
    050 250-smtp.fastmail.com
    050 250-PIPELINING
    050 250-SIZE 71000000
    050 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    050 250-8BITMIME
    050 250 STARTTLS
    050 >>> STARTTLS
    050 220 2.0.0 Start TLS
    050 >>> EHLO uw.local.lan
    050 250-smtp.fastmail.com
    050 250-PIPELINING
    050 250-SIZE 71000000
    050 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
    050 250-8BITMIME
    050 250 AUTH PLAIN LOGIN XOAUTH2 OAUTHBEARER
    050 >>> AUTH PLAIN aHB1dDNAZmFzdG1haWwuZm0AaHB1dDNAZmFzdG1haWwuZm0AM2g2YW5iNTVjZHBqNWtnYg==
    050 235 2.0.0 OK
    050 >>> MAIL From:<reader@uw.local.lan> SIZE=1772 AUTH=<>
    050 250 2.1.0 Ok
    050 >>> RCPT To:<reader@jtan.com>
    050 >>> DATA
    050 250 2.1.5 Ok
    050 354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
    050 >>> .
    050 551 5.7.1 Not authorised to send from this header address
    050 <reader@uw.local.lan>... Connecting to local...
    050 <reader@uw.local.lan>... Sent
    250 2.0.0 32UHKWS9084849 Message accepted for delivery
    reader@jtan.com... Sent (32UHKWS9084849 Message accepted for delivery)
    Closing connection to [127.0.0.1]
    QUIT
    221 2.0.0 uw.local.lan closing connection
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------
    sendmail.mc, submit.mc and access (lastline)
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------

    access: (last line)
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------
    Note the munged pw is something from my account at fastmail.com -HP AuthInfo:smtp.fastmail.com "U:hput3@fastmail.fm" "P:munged" "M:PLAIN"
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------

    sendmail.mc (trimmed):

    egrep -v '^(#|dnl|^$)' sendmail.mc
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------
    divert(-1)dnl
    divert(0)dnl
    define(`_USE_ETC_MAIL_')dnl
    include(`/usr/share/sendmail/cf/m4/cf.m4')dnl
    VERSIONID(`$Id: sendmail.mc, v 8.15.2-22ubuntu3 2021-12-09 00:18:01 cowboy Exp $')
    OSTYPE(`debian')dnl
    DOMAIN(`debian-mta')dnl
    undefine(`confHOST_STATUS_DIRECTORY')dnl #DAEMON_HOSTSTATS= define(`SMART_HOST', [`smtp.fastmail.com'])dnl
    define(`RELAY_MAILER_ARGS', `TCP $h 587')dnl
    define(`ESMTP_MAILER_ARGS', `TCP $h 587')dnl
    TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`EXTERNAL DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `EXTERNAL GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl
    FEATURE(`access_db', `hash -T<TMPF> -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl FEATURE(`no_default_msa')dnl
    DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Family=inet, Name=MTA-v4, Port=smtp, Addr=127.0.0.1')dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Family=inet, Name=MSP-v4, Port=submission, M=Ea, Addr=127.0.0.1')dnl
    define(`confPRIVACY_FLAGS',dnl `needmailhelo,needexpnhelo,needvrfyhelo,restrictqrun,restrictexpand,nobodyreturn,authwarnings')dnl
    define(`confCONNECTION_RATE_THROTTLE', `15')dnl define(`confCONNECTION_RATE_WINDOW_SIZE',`10m')dnl
    FEATURE(`use_cw_file')dnl
    FEATURE(`greet_pause', `1000')dnl 1 seconds
    FEATURE(`delay_checks', `friend', `n')dnl define(`confBAD_RCPT_THROTTLE',`3')dnl
    FEATURE(`conncontrol', `nodelay', `terminate')dnl
    FEATURE(`ratecontrol', `nodelay', `terminate')dnl include(`/etc/mail/m4/dialup.m4')dnl
    include(`/etc/mail/m4/provider.m4')dnl
    MAILER_DEFINITIONS
    MAILER(`local')dnl
    MAILER(`smtp')dnl
    MAILER(`procmail')
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------

    submit.mc trimmed
    egrep ^(#|dnl|^$) submit.mc

    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------

    divert(-1)dnl
    divert(0)dnl
    define(`_USE_ETC_MAIL_')dnl
    include(`/usr/share/sendmail/cf/m4/cf.m4')dnl
    VERSIONID(`$Id: submit.mc, v 8.15.2-22ubuntu3 2021-12-09 00:18:01 cowboy Exp $')
    OSTYPE(`debian')dnl
    DOMAIN(`debian-msp')dnl
    FEATURE(`msp', `[127.0.0.1]', `25')dnl
    ------- ------- ---=--- ------- -------

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  • From Claus =?iso-8859-1?Q?A=DFmann?= @21:1/5 to Harry Putnam on Wed Apr 5 15:21:13 2023
    Harry Putnam wrote:

    What are the default settings? Do you mean as my OS would install
    sendmail it should just work from there?

    No, I meant the compilation features as you asked about ./Build

    Its just a handy way to experiment with software and not accidently
    mess up my system. Steer the install away from the expected
    directories and set PATH to find it when testing

    That is unlikely to work for sendmail, most programs "know"
    the path.

    Installing sendmail "elsewhere" is as simple as copying the binary
    to the directory for your choice. In most cases you don't need
    other programs.

    It's really not important to current discussion. Probably best to just
    drop it.

    Yes, unless you have a good reason to compile sendmail with other
    options -- almost everything can be configured at runtime.

    mail host is "uw.local.lan" (not a recognized FQDN)

    See cf/README: WHO AM I?
    You might want to use an "official" hostname.

    050 >>> AUTH PLAIN

    Oops, it seems you posted your authentication credentials :-(
    You should change those ASAP.

    050 551 5.7.1 Not authorised to send from this header address
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    based on this error the problem is NOT about the envelope sender
    but the header:
    From: ...
    Do you use an "official" (valid) address there?
    Check your setup: what is used there?

    I get this kind of error from some e-mail providers when I try to
    use a different domain than the "official" address which was given
    by them to me.

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