Hello alpiners,
So my nntp adventures continue, and after getting a local nntp server
working (leafnode) I decided that due to the weird way it tended to
interact with my "live" news reading (not showing messages correctly due
to deletes etc.) I need to figure out another way.
So basically, what I want to achieve, is a way for me to read news in
alpine while disconnected. Writing while disconnected I would ideally do
the same way I write regular emails, by just postponing them. And when
I'm online again, I'll send the postponed messages one by one.
So if not leafnode, then what?
On 2024-03-04 23:08, D wrote:
Hello alpiners,
So my nntp adventures continue, and after getting a local nntp server
working (leafnode) I decided that due to the weird way it tended to
interact with my "live" news reading (not showing messages correctly due to >> deletes etc.) I need to figure out another way.
So basically, what I want to achieve, is a way for me to read news in
alpine while disconnected. Writing while disconnected I would ideally do
the same way I write regular emails, by just postponing them. And when I'm >> online again, I'll send the postponed messages one by one.
So if not leafnode, then what?
Leafnode was designed to do exactly this, in the time of modems.
Disable the timer or cronjob. Manually, run, each time:
fetchnews -v
alpine
fetchnews -v
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-03-04 23:08, D wrote:
Hello alpiners,
So my nntp adventures continue, and after getting a local nntp server
working (leafnode) I decided that due to the weird way it tended to
interact with my "live" news reading (not showing messages correctly due >>> to deletes etc.) I need to figure out another way.
So basically, what I want to achieve, is a way for me to read news in
alpine while disconnected. Writing while disconnected I would ideally do >>> the same way I write regular emails, by just postponing them. And when
I'm online again, I'll send the postponed messages one by one.
So if not leafnode, then what?
Leafnode was designed to do exactly this, in the time of modems.
Disable the timer or cronjob. Manually, run, each time:
fetchnews -v
alpine
fetchnews -v
Hello Carlos and thank you very much. I was wondering if you could elaborate a little?
I note that fetchnews creates files in /var/spool/news, and that alpine can be configured to use /var/spool/news as its local news spool.
But...
How do I get those messages to show up in alpine?
El 2024-03-05 a las 13:32 +0100, D escribió:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2024-03-04 23:08, D wrote:
Hello alpiners,
So my nntp adventures continue, and after getting a local nntp server >>>> working (leafnode) I decided that due to the weird way it tended to
interact with my "live" news reading (not showing messages correctly due >>>> to deletes etc.) I need to figure out another way.
So basically, what I want to achieve, is a way for me to read news in >>>> alpine while disconnected. Writing while disconnected I would ideally do >>>> the same way I write regular emails, by just postponing them. And when >>>> I'm online again, I'll send the postponed messages one by one.
So if not leafnode, then what?
Leafnode was designed to do exactly this, in the time of modems.
Disable the timer or cronjob. Manually, run, each time:
fetchnews -v
alpine
fetchnews -v
Hello Carlos and thank you very much. I was wondering if you could
elaborate a little?
I note that fetchnews creates files in /var/spool/news, and that alpine can >> be configured to use /var/spool/news as its local news spool.
But...
How do I get those messages to show up in alpine?
You simply tell alpine that the server is "localhost". Same as for any remote server.
You don't tell it anything about /var/spool/news. It doesn't know about that.
Nickname : Usenet
Server : localhost/service=NNTP
Path : #news.
So my nntp adventures continue [...]
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
So my nntp adventures continue [...]
Dude, choosing alpine for NNTP was your first
big mistake and it has lead to all this unnecessary
complexity of bringing in leadnofe, fetchnews
and whatever.
1) By all means, if you like to tinker like this,
please go head.
2) If you want a solution that is simple and
just works, use tin or slrn and Eternal September.
Alpine is great for email but horrible for news.
br,
KK
Alpine is great for email but horrible for news.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
So my nntp adventures continue [...]
Dude, choosing alpine for NNTP was your first
big mistake and it has lead to all this unnecessary
complexity of bringing in leadnofe, fetchnews
and whatever.
1) By all means, if you like to tinker like this,
please go head.
2) If you want a solution that is simple and
just works, use tin or slrn and Eternal September.
Alpine is great for email but horrible for news.
br,
KK
Hello KK and thank you very much for the advice. I do enjoy tinkering, so I'll stick with nr 1. =)
And also, for the benefit of other readers, I think alpine works great for regular reading. This is just me enjoying some tinkering to take it from great to even greater. ;)
Best regards,
Daniel
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, D wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Kalevi Kolttonen wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
So my nntp adventures continue [...]
Dude, choosing alpine for NNTP was your first
big mistake and it has lead to all this unnecessary
complexity of bringing in leadnofe, fetchnews
and whatever.
1) By all means, if you like to tinker like this,
please go head.
2) If you want a solution that is simple and
just works, use tin or slrn and Eternal September.
Alpine is great for email but horrible for news.
br,
KK
Hello KK and thank you very much for the advice. I do enjoy tinkering, so
I'll stick with nr 1. =)
And also, for the benefit of other readers, I think alpine works great for >> regular reading. This is just me enjoying some tinkering to take it from
great to even greater. ;)
Best regards,
Daniel
Ok, I think I have a strategy for getting it the way I want it.
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Carlos wrote:
El 2024-03-05 a las 13:32 +0100, D escribió:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Carlos E.R. wrote:
 On 2024-03-04 23:08, D wrote:
 Hello alpiners,
 So my nntp adventures continue, and after getting a local nntp server >>>>>  working (leafnode) I decided that due to the weird way it tended to >>>>>  interact with my "live" news reading (not showing messages
correctly due
 to deletes etc.) I need to figure out another way.
 So basically, what I want to achieve, is a way for me to read news in >>>>>  alpine while disconnected. Writing while disconnected I would
ideally do
 the same way I write regular emails, by just postponing them. And
when
 I'm online again, I'll send the postponed messages one by one.
 So if not leafnode, then what?
 Leafnode was designed to do exactly this, in the time of modems.
 Disable the timer or cronjob. Manually, run, each time:
 fetchnews -v
 alpine
 fetchnews -v
Hello Carlos and thank you very much. I was wondering if you could
elaborate a little?
I note that fetchnews creates files in /var/spool/news, and that
alpine can be configured to use /var/spool/news as its local news spool. >>>
But...
How do I get those messages to show up in alpine?
You simply tell alpine that the server is "localhost". Same as for any
remote server.
You don't tell it anything about /var/spool/news. It doesn't know
about that.
Nickname : Usenet
Server   : localhost/service=NNTP
Path     : #news.
Ahh, then I think I know the error. I think I was being unclear, and
that confused things.
The way you suggest, works if I run the leafnode _server_. Then
everything works except for the fact that I don't see the messages on leafnode unless I unexclude all messages.
If I unexclude all messages on my news server, I see all messages both
when reading on the server and when reading on my local leafnode. If I exclude messages when reading on the server (I just read and then delete everything), I see nothing on leafnode, not even _new_ messages that
have arrived. The new messages are only visible when reading through the server, but not when reading through leafnode. Then I again have to
unexclude to see everything.
On the server, I can exclude (delete) and see only new messages, but for
some reason, that disables _all_ messages, new and old, on leafnode.
So what I _was_ trying to do above, is to point alpine directly to the spool/news directory in the hope that I could bypass having a local nntp server/proxy running. So _only_ using fetchnews, and not having to use
the leafnode nntp server.
My hope was that I could eliminate this additional dependency and only
depend on fetchnews, and read the message straight from the news spool directory and into alpine.
I apologize for being unclear, and I fear that this has contributed to a misunderstanding.
On 2024-03-05 16:37, D wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Carlos wrote:
El 2024-03-05 a las 13:32 +0100, D escribió:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Carlos E.R. wrote:
 On 2024-03-04 23:08, D wrote:
 Hello alpiners,
 So my nntp adventures continue, and after getting a local nntp server >>>>>>  working (leafnode) I decided that due to the weird way it tended to >>>>>>  interact with my "live" news reading (not showing messages correctly >>>>>> due
 to deletes etc.) I need to figure out another way.
 So basically, what I want to achieve, is a way for me to read news in >>>>>>  alpine while disconnected. Writing while disconnected I would ideally >>>>>> do
 the same way I write regular emails, by just postponing them. And when >>>>>>  I'm online again, I'll send the postponed messages one by one.
 So if not leafnode, then what?
 Leafnode was designed to do exactly this, in the time of modems.
 Disable the timer or cronjob. Manually, run, each time:
 fetchnews -v
 alpine
 fetchnews -v
Hello Carlos and thank you very much. I was wondering if you could
elaborate a little?
I note that fetchnews creates files in /var/spool/news, and that alpine >>>> can be configured to use /var/spool/news as its local news spool.
But...
How do I get those messages to show up in alpine?
You simply tell alpine that the server is "localhost". Same as for any
remote server.
You don't tell it anything about /var/spool/news. It doesn't know about
that.
Nickname : Usenet
Server   : localhost/service=NNTP
Path     : #news.
Ahh, then I think I know the error. I think I was being unclear, and that
confused things.
The way you suggest, works if I run the leafnode _server_. Then everything >> works except for the fact that I don't see the messages on leafnode unless >> I unexclude all messages.
If I unexclude all messages on my news server, I see all messages both when >> reading on the server and when reading on my local leafnode. If I exclude
messages when reading on the server (I just read and then delete
everything), I see nothing on leafnode, not even _new_ messages that have
arrived. The new messages are only visible when reading through the server, >> but not when reading through leafnode. Then I again have to unexclude to
see everything.
On the server, I can exclude (delete) and see only new messages, but for
some reason, that disables _all_ messages, new and old, on leafnode.
So what I _was_ trying to do above, is to point alpine directly to the
spool/news directory in the hope that I could bypass having a local nntp
server/proxy running. So _only_ using fetchnews, and not having to use the >> leafnode nntp server.
My hope was that I could eliminate this additional dependency and only
depend on fetchnews, and read the message straight from the news spool
directory and into alpine.
I apologize for being unclear, and I fear that this has contributed to a
misunderstanding.
I don't understand a word of what you are saying.
The only way to use leafnode is that it is an nntp server that runs in your computer, and you point your reader client (alpine) to it. That's all there is to it.
Period.
Oh, I agree with Kalevi, so I do not use Alpine for news reading/posting: not a good client. I much prefer Thunderbird for it.
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