• Install alpine on Windows ?

    From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 12 01:50:05 2023
    I'm trying to tell someone how to install Alpine on Windows 10.

    I download the zip file from alpineapp.email, unpack it into a folder,
    and run the alpine program in that folder. It dies witn an error msage "vcruntime140.Dll Is Missing" which apparently means I need the Visual
    C++ runtime. I downloaded and installed the Visual C++ 2015-2019 redistribtable, tried again, same error.

    Any suggestions? Is this documented anywhere? TIA
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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to John Levine on Sat Aug 12 10:48:05 2023
    On 8/12/23 03:50, John Levine wrote:
    I'm trying to tell someone how to install Alpine on Windows 10.

    I download the zip file from alpineapp.email, unpack it into a folder,
    and run the alpine program in that folder. It dies witn an error msage "vcruntime140.Dll Is Missing" which apparently means I need the Visual
    C++ runtime. I downloaded and installed the Visual C++ 2015-2019 redistribtable, tried again, same error.

    Any suggestions? Is this documented anywhere? TIA

    Try to follow the instructions at https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-10/how-to-fix-a-vcruntime140-dll-is-missing-error-on-windows-10/

    It may or may not work, there is of course the option to upgrade to OS ;)

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 12 19:08:02 2023
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/12/23 03:50, John Levine wrote:
    I'm trying to tell someone how to install Alpine on Windows 10.

    I download the zip file from alpineapp.email, unpack it into a folder,
    and run the alpine program in that folder. It dies witn an error msage
    "vcruntime140.Dll Is Missing" which apparently means I need the Visual
    C++ runtime. I downloaded and installed the Visual C++ 2015-2019
    redistribtable, tried again, same error.

    Any suggestions? Is this documented anywhere? TIA

    Try to follow the instructions at >https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-10/how-to-fix-a-vcruntime140-dll-is-missing-error-on-windows-10/

    Good thought, but I found the same site, installed the C runtime, and it didn't help.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to John Levine on Sat Aug 12 22:54:01 2023
    On 8/12/23 21:08, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/12/23 03:50, John Levine wrote:
    I'm trying to tell someone how to install Alpine on Windows 10.

    I download the zip file from alpineapp.email, unpack it into a folder,
    and run the alpine program in that folder. It dies witn an error msage
    "vcruntime140.Dll Is Missing" which apparently means I need the Visual
    C++ runtime. I downloaded and installed the Visual C++ 2015-2019
    redistribtable, tried again, same error.

    Any suggestions? Is this documented anywhere? TIA

    Try to follow the instructions at
    https://helpdeskgeek.com/windows-10/how-to-fix-a-vcruntime140-dll-is-missing-error-on-windows-10/

    Good thought, but I found the same site, installed the C runtime, and it didn't help.


    Maybe it's the wrong architecture you installed it for, seems you may
    need to install both the x86 version and amd64 (by ms called x64) version.

    x86: https://aka.ms/vs/16/release/vc_redist.x86.exe

    x64: https://aka.ms/vs/16/release/vc_redist.x64.exe

    Support article from ms: https://support.microsoft.com/en-ae/help/2977003/the-latest-supported-visual-c-downloads

    Don't forget the usual reboot after installing both versions.


    If you already done this, then I'm sorry for just repeating things I
    find on search engines, I'm more used to that an application pulls it's dependencies when you install it. Sadly no alpine for winget.

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 02:55:29 2023
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    Maybe it's the wrong architecture you installed it for, seems you may
    need to install both the x86 version and amd64 (by ms called x64) version.

    I'm reasonably sure I installed the x64 version of both, but I'll check again.

    I was hoping that someone was actually using Alpine on Windows and
    could tell us how to make it work. Who knows, maybe it doesn't work,
    nobody's using it, so nobody's noticed.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to John Levine on Sun Aug 13 10:45:02 2023
    On 8/13/23 04:55, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    Maybe it's the wrong architecture you installed it for, seems you may
    need to install both the x86 version and amd64 (by ms called x64) version.

    I'm reasonably sure I installed the x64 version of both, but I'll check again.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it's the x86 version that is needed and it
    don't seem to be that both the 32 and 64 bit versions are bundled
    together in one package as some on the net seems to think.


    I was hoping that someone was actually using Alpine on Windows and
    could tell us how to make it work. Who knows, maybe it doesn't work,
    nobody's using it, so nobody's noticed.

    I have seen people ask windows related questions, but not sure if those
    people stay around after got their issue solved or not (from the high
    number of replies, I guess not).


    One alternative would be using WSL, then you can use the Linux native
    one, I do also recommend to install Windows Terminal, you get the feel
    and power from konsole (part of KDE/Plasma desktop). Also gsudo is quite
    great, if you want to open a terminal as administrator and have that as
    one of the options. That are tools I tend to install is I have to use ms-windows on a work computer. Sure it's a bit more work than just using
    it native. If you use VPN, then you need manually to change the mtu in
    the WSL:
    sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu [size]

    The size most likely will be 1350, but setting it to a smaller number
    will ensure packages will not be too big.

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 19:39:49 2023
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/13/23 04:55, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    Maybe it's the wrong architecture you installed it for, seems you may
    need to install both the x86 version and amd64 (by ms called x64) version. >>
    I'm reasonably sure I installed the x64 version of both, but I'll check again.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it's the x86 version that is needed and it
    don't seem to be that both the 32 and 64 bit versions are bundled
    together in one package as some on the net seems to think.

    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows downloads. Nothing obscure about that.

    I checked and my version of the C++ runtime is also 64 bit Tried its
    "repair" option, didn't help.

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to John Levine on Sun Aug 13 22:56:10 2023
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 19:39:49 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows
    downloads. Nothing obscure about that.

    You need to install both the 64bit and the x86 versions of the C++ redistributable, if you get the 'missing ...dll file message.

    The version 2.26 of pc-Alpine available in a zip file from
    alpineapp.email should work ok. I thought we'd got past this C++ redistributable hassle by now!

    And yes, there are still users of Alpine on Windows! If you want to
    run the linux version, try using Cygwin.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to John Levine on Mon Aug 14 07:34:20 2023
    On 8/13/23 21:39, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/13/23 04:55, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    Maybe it's the wrong architecture you installed it for, seems you may
    need to install both the x86 version and amd64 (by ms called x64) version. >>>
    I'm reasonably sure I installed the x64 version of both, but I'll check again.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it's the x86 version that is needed and it
    don't seem to be that both the 32 and 64 bit versions are bundled
    together in one package as some on the net seems to think.

    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows downloads. Nothing obscure about that.

    I was more thinking about the vcruntime, that you may need both the 32
    and 64 bit version installed.


    I checked and my version of the C++ runtime is also 64 bit Tried its
    "repair" option, didn't help.

    Even if the alpine packages is said to be for 64bit OS, do not have to
    be the same as that everything in it is compiled as 64bit. Running
    "file" on the content of the alpine2_26 directory gives the following
    result:

    alpine.exe: PE32 executable (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS Windows, 7
    sections
    certs: directory
    ldap32.dll: PE32 executable (DLL) (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS
    Windows, 6 sections
    libcrypto-3.dll: PE32 executable (DLL) (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS
    Windows, 7 sections
    libssl-3.dll: PE32 executable (DLL) (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS
    Windows, 7 sections
    LICENSE: ASCII text
    NOTICE: ASCII text

    None of the files are 64bit, so I guess it had been enough just install
    the 32bit version of the vcruntime, but then you never know in the
    future, so better to have both installed.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to mechanic on Mon Aug 14 07:26:27 2023
    On 8/13/23 23:56, mechanic wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 19:39:49 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote:

    If you want to
    run the linux version, try using Cygwin.

    From cygwin home page:

    Cygwin is not:

    - a way to run native Linux apps on Windows. You must rebuild your application from
    source if you want it to run on Windows.

    It would be more of a hassle to get alpine run with cygwin than setup
    wsl and run "sudo apt install alpine".

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 18:29:01 2023
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows downloads. Nothing obscure about that.

    I was more thinking about the vcruntime, that you may need both the 32
    and 64 bit version installed.

    Yup, that was it. With both versions of the C++ library, it runs.

    Now the problem is that I configure my IMAP server but when it wants to log
    in, it shows me a popup with user name and password, but the password field
    is greyed out. Huh?

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  • From John Levine@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 19:48:54 2023
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/14/23 20:29, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows downloads. Nothing obscure about that.

    I was more thinking about the vcruntime, that you may need both the 32
    and 64 bit version installed.

    Yup, that was it. With both versions of the C++ library, it runs.

    Now the problem is that I configure my IMAP server but when it wants to log >> in, it shows me a popup with user name and password, but the password field >> is greyed out. Huh?

    I messed around and found that if I put the username in the config, e.g.

    imap.foo.com/user=bob@foo.com

    then the user field in the popup is preloaded and greyed, but entering
    password works and it logs in and I can see my mail. Feels like a bug.



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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to John Levine on Mon Aug 14 21:17:30 2023
    On 8/14/23 20:29, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows downloads. Nothing obscure about that.

    I was more thinking about the vcruntime, that you may need both the 32
    and 64 bit version installed.

    Yup, that was it. With both versions of the C++ library, it runs.

    Now the problem is that I configure my IMAP server but when it wants to log in, it shows me a popup with user name and password, but the password field is greyed out. Huh?

    Sadly I don't have any advice on that, I have been using a password file
    for many many years and in Linux the password prompt seems to work well.
    It's just a field in the bottom of the console/terminal, so I have no experience of a pop-up.

    You could try with an older version of pine and see if it's just
    something that affects this version.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to John Levine on Mon Aug 14 22:48:51 2023
    On 8/14/23 21:48, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/14/23 20:29, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows downloads. Nothing obscure about that.

    I was more thinking about the vcruntime, that you may need both the 32 >>>> and 64 bit version installed.

    Yup, that was it. With both versions of the C++ library, it runs.

    Now the problem is that I configure my IMAP server but when it wants to log >>> in, it shows me a popup with user name and password, but the password field >>> is greyed out. Huh?

    I messed around and found that if I put the username in the config, e.g.

    imap.foo.com/user=bob@foo.com

    then the user field in the popup is preloaded and greyed, but entering password works and it logs in and I can see my mail. Feels like a bug.

    Yes, it feels like a bug and if you have the time and and will to report
    it, please email chappa, you find his email adress at this page: https://alpineapp.email/pine/pine-info/index.html (didn't want to make
    it too easy for email scrapers).

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  • From Barry Landy@21:1/5 to J.O. Aho on Thu Aug 31 22:31:56 2023
    just to say sorry to have come into this thread a bit late. I am a user
    of Alpine on Windows 10 (and have used Pine/Alpine since 1995).

    Glad you have sorted it out.

    I call Alpine from an icon which is a shortcut and have a complicated
    set of parameters on the call (and it works). I do recall an issue with
    the C++ runtime (started I think with version 2.25) but you have now
    fixed that.

    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023, J.O. Aho wrote:

    On 8/14/23 21:48, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/14/23 20:29, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows downloads.
    Nothing obscure about that.

    I was more thinking about the vcruntime, that you may need both the 32
    and 64 bit version installed.

    Yup, that was it. With both versions of the C++ library, it runs.

    Now the problem is that I configure my IMAP server but when it wants to :>> > > log
    in, it shows me a popup with user name and password, but the password :>> > > field
    is greyed out. Huh?

    I messed around and found that if I put the username in the config, e.g. :>>
    imap.foo.com/user=bob@foo.com

    then the user field in the popup is preloaded and greyed, but entering
    password works and it logs in and I can see my mail. Feels like a bug.

    Yes, it feels like a bug and if you have the time and and will to report it, :>please email chappa, you find his email adress at this page: :>https://alpineapp.email/pine/pine-info/index.html (didn't want to make it too :>easy for email scrapers).



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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to Barry Landy on Fri Sep 1 18:08:58 2023
    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:31:56 +0100, Barry Landy wrote:

    just to say sorry to have come into this thread a bit late. I am a user
    of Alpine on Windows 10 (and have used Pine/Alpine since 1995).

    Glad you have sorted it out.

    I call Alpine from an icon which is a shortcut and have a complicated
    set of parameters on the call (and it works). I do recall an issue with
    the C++ runtime (started I think with version 2.25) but you have now
    fixed that.

    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023, J.O. Aho wrote:

    On 8/14/23 21:48, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/14/23 20:29, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows downloads.
    Nothing obscure about that.

    I was more thinking about the vcruntime, that you may need both the 32
    and 64 bit version installed.

    Yup, that was it. With both versions of the C++ library, it runs. >:>> > >
    Now the problem is that I configure my IMAP server but when it wants to
    log
    in, it shows me a popup with user name and password, but the password >:>> > > field
    is greyed out. Huh?

    I messed around and found that if I put the username in the config, e.g. >:>>
    imap.foo.com/user=bob@foo.com

    then the user field in the popup is preloaded and greyed, but entering >:>> password works and it logs in and I can see my mail. Feels like a bug.

    Yes, it feels like a bug and if you have the time and and will to report it, >:>please email chappa, you find his email adress at this page: >:>https://alpineapp.email/pine/pine-info/index.html (didn't want to make it too
    easy for email scrapers).



    You still with us, Eduardo?

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to mechanic on Mon Sep 11 12:58:01 2023
    On Fri, 1 Sep 2023 18:08:58 +0100, mechanic wrote:

    On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 22:31:56 +0100, Barry Landy wrote:

    just to say sorry to have come into this thread a bit late. I am
    a user of Alpine on Windows 10 (and have used Pine/Alpine since
    1995).

    Glad you have sorted it out.

    I call Alpine from an icon which is a shortcut and have a
    complicated set of parameters on the call (and it works). I do
    recall an issue with the C++ runtime (started I think with
    version 2.25) but you have now fixed that.

    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023, J.O. Aho wrote:

    On 8/14/23 21:48, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    On 8/14/23 20:29, John Levine wrote:
    According to J.O. Aho <user@example.net>:
    The alpineapp web site has separate 64 and 32 bit Windows
    downloads. Nothing obscure about that.

    I was more thinking about the vcruntime, that you may need
    both the 32 and 64 bit version installed.

    Yup, that was it. With both versions of the C++ library,
    it runs.

    Now the problem is that I configure my IMAP server but when
    it wants to log in, it shows me a popup with user name and
    password, but the password field is greyed out. Huh?

    I messed around and found that if I put the username in the config, e.g. >>:>>
    imap.foo.com/user=bob@foo.com

    then the user field in the popup is preloaded and greyed, but entering >>:>> password works and it logs in and I can see my mail. Feels like a bug. >>:>
    Yes, it feels like a bug and if you have the time and and will
    to report it, please email chappa, you find his email adress
    at this page: https://alpineapp.email/pine/pine-info/index.html
    (didn't want to make it too easy for email scrapers).




    You still with us, Eduardo?

    Well the answer appears to be "yes"!

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