n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, world!

I'm a non-techy user, or at least a non-programmer, but I picked up a
little bit of Lisp when I was about 16, and now, not really having much to
do besides day trade, I got into it again. I got the Open Genera distro running---and, to my shock, I LIKED IT.

congrats! open genera not on a dec?

The thing is, though, that Open Genera hasn't been worked on since 1985 or thereabouts, and its assets are all tied up in probate as we all know, but hypothetically, if it were GPL'ed, from what I've seen, it's cooler than Linux. I wouldn't mind having it as a primary operating system, actually.
Hypothetically, could it be made to run natively? I think it would make
a fine single-user operating system (Linux is fine for big installations) especially with the ability to EDIT CODE WHILE IT RUNS. I mean, I had to capitalise that, because even to someone growing up in the age of pocket Androids, that sounds impossible.

yes i have the machine with the code;
the lisp machine needs to compile the code to start up. it takes a while.
the JIT (Just In Time) compiler for java was ``probably'' inspired by lisp (please no arguments here).

Sure, the UX needs polishing, and it doesn't even have a Web browser, but from what I've seen, Genera is not a development environment as everyone calls it---it's a fully fledged operating system, an Emacs writ large.
It's a compliment, even though I HATE EMACS.

Yes genera is an operating system that runs on a lisp machine or the dec
alpha. I here it can also work with an Intel ix686 running X11 on linux
v1.2.9 over the funky serial port or the external SCSI interface. I wish I
had the money to buy that kind of hardware today. stuck with labtops.

unix is solid, powerful, and still used. my rig is tired an needs a new
place to migrate.

That's another thing---anyone got a modern Gnu Emacs port for Genera, one that'll run Evil or Vile? I'm straining my pinky and it hurts!

for genera it comes with Zemacs or something. It is the active listener. it
has been a while since i've turned it on.


genera runs on the dec alpha with x11 I believe. I would love to see
something with the linux frame buffer instead of X. one a full tty it would work very simply with linux I think. lots of time i don't have...

LISTENER on Linux Framebuffer running Garnet!

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On 2017-01-22 7:50 p.m., Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:

n.theodore.matavka.files@gmail.com writes:

Hello, world!

I'm a non-techy user, or at least a non-programmer, but I picked up a
little bit of Lisp when I was about 16, and now, not really having
much to do besides day trade, I got into it again. I got the Open
Genera distro running---and, to my shock, I LIKED IT.

The thing is, though, that Open Genera hasn't been worked on since
1985 or thereabouts, and its assets are all tied up in probate as we
all know, but hypothetically, if it were GPL'ed, from what I've seen,
it's cooler than Linux. I wouldn't mind having it as a primary
operating system, actually. Hypothetically, could it be made to run
natively? I think it would make a fine single-user operating system
(Linux is fine for big installations) especially with the ability to
EDIT CODE WHILE IT RUNS. I mean, I had to capitalise that, because
even to someone growing up in the age of pocket Androids, that sounds
impossible.

Sure, the UX needs polishing, and it doesn't even have a Web browser,
but from what I've seen, Genera is not a development environment as
everyone calls it---it's a fully fledged operating system, an Emacs
writ large. It's a compliment, even though I HATE EMACS.

That's another thing---anyone got a modern Gnu Emacs port for Genera,
one that'll run Evil or Vile? I'm straining my pinky and it hurts!

I don't know if we have access to the source code of the whole Genera
system. Assuming we have, you could just write a compiler targetting
current processors (ie. x86_64 or arm64), and adapt low level stuff to
run on current hardware. I wouldn't expect it to be too hard, since I
guess most of the hard porting work has been done when porting Genera to alpha processors.

In the meantime, you could have a look at Mezzano: https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano

There's also Chrysalisp, https://github.com/vygr/ChrysaLisp, which
exploits the existing OS; Linux, MAC or Windows. Albeit 48% of the code
is C++, then CL, then assembly and some other langs.
The author claims he's aspiring to have it run on bare metal! Pretty cool!

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