Greetings All,

I've searched everywhere for both a physical or PDF copy of this title:

"The AI-Workbench BABYLON: An open and portable development environment
for expert systems", Academic Press, London, 1992, ISBN 0-12-174235-0
by Christaller, T., Di Primio, F., Vo', A. (eds).

If no-one with a copy is willing to scan it to an e-book format for
about $150 from me, I don't suppose there someone willing to lend me
theirs, by allowing me to pay for the shipping both ways, and also pay
you for your time/effort and materials to pack and send it.

Sincerely,
Peri Didaskalou

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On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-8, Peri Didaskalou wrote:

I've searched everywhere for both a physical or PDF copy of this title:

"The AI-Workbench BABYLON: An open and portable development environment
for expert systems", Academic Press, London, 1992, ISBN 0-12-174235-0
by Christaller, T., Di Primio, F., Vo', A. (eds).

I don't happen to have a copy, but if all you need is the code, it appears you can find that
here: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/areas/expert/systems/babylon/
(Although I haven't downloaded that).

Another option might be to try Emailing the authors directly to see if they have a copy.

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On 2021-11-30 6:16 p.m., Tom Russ wrote:

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-8, Peri Didaskalou wrote:

I've searched everywhere for both a physical or PDF copy of this title:

"The AI-Workbench BABYLON: An open and portable development environment
for expert systems", Academic Press, London, 1992, ISBN 0-12-174235-0
by Christaller, T., Di Primio, F., Vo', A. (eds).

I don't happen to have a copy, but if all you need is the code, it appears you can find that
here: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/areas/expert/systems/babylon/ (Although I haven't downloaded that).

Another option might be to try Emailing the authors directly to see if they have a copy.

Thanks Tom,
Yes, I had found that CMU repository. That's where I noticed the books
listed, related to the project. The only place I found Christaller,
Thomas was at ResearchGate.com. However, the hobby status of my project
and my lack of scientific credentials, I suppose is the reason I didn't
qualify for an account there. It appears Christaller has most if not all
of the book available electronically there.
Since I posted my this message, I managed to score a copy of the second, mentioned title: _CONSAT: A System for Constraint Satisfaction_('89).
by Hans Werner Güsgen. It's quite good in describing a 'constraint'
strategy, which is used in Babylon; as it specifically points out.

So, I'm well enough on my way with the project source and this
earlier reference.

I appreciate your reply in so much as it reminded me that I hadn't
looked for the other co-authors, or for that matter, the author of this
earlier book.
Peri

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On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:35:33 PM UTC+1, Peri Didaskalou wrote:

On 2021-11-30 6:16 p.m., Tom Russ wrote:

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-8, Peri Didaskalou wrote:

I've searched everywhere for both a physical or PDF copy of this title: >>
"The AI-Workbench BABYLON: An open and portable development environment >> for expert systems", Academic Press, London, 1992, ISBN 0-12-174235-0
by Christaller, T., Di Primio, F., Vo', A. (eds).

I don't happen to have a copy, but if all you need is the code, it appears you can find that
here: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/areas/expert/systems/babylon/ (Although I haven't downloaded that).

Another option might be to try Emailing the authors directly to see if they have a copy.

Thanks Tom,
Yes, I had found that CMU repository. That's where I noticed the books listed, related to the project. The only place I found Christaller,
Thomas was at ResearchGate.com. However, the hobby status of my project
and my lack of scientific credentials, I suppose is the reason I didn't qualify for an account there. It appears Christaller has most if not all
of the book available electronically there.
Since I posted my this message, I managed to score a copy of the second, mentioned title: _CONSAT: A System for Constraint Satisfaction_('89).
by Hans Werner Güsgen. It's quite good in describing a 'constraint' strategy, which is used in Babylon; as it specifically points out.

So, I'm well enough on my way with the project source and this
earlier reference.

I appreciate your reply in so much as it reminded me that I hadn't
looked for the other co-authors, or for that matter, the author of this earlier book.
Peri

The book is available on Amazon. According to the German Wikipedia, the author teaches Aikido now, some googling then helps you find him at
https://lebenskunst-bonn.de/thomas-christaller/
There is no full text or ebook link on Researchgate.

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On 2021-12-08 3:30 a.m., wolfman jack wrote:

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 9:35:33 PM UTC+1, Peri Didaskalou wrote:

On 2021-11-30 6:16 p.m., Tom Russ wrote:

On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 11:40:21 AM UTC-8, Peri Didaskalou wrote:

I've searched everywhere for both a physical or PDF copy of this title: >>>>
"The AI-Workbench BABYLON: An open and portable development environment >>>> for expert systems", Academic Press, London, 1992, ISBN 0-12-174235-0
by Christaller, T., Di Primio, F., Vo', A. (eds).

I don't happen to have a copy, but if all you need is the code, it appears you can find that
here: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/areas/expert/systems/babylon/
(Although I haven't downloaded that).

Another option might be to try Emailing the authors directly to see if they have a copy.

Thanks Tom,
Yes, I had found that CMU repository. That's where I noticed the books
listed, related to the project. The only place I found Christaller,
Thomas was at ResearchGate.com. However, the hobby status of my project
and my lack of scientific credentials, I suppose is the reason I didn't
qualify for an account there. It appears Christaller has most if not all
of the book available electronically there.
Since I posted my this message, I managed to score a copy of the second,
mentioned title: _CONSAT: A System for Constraint Satisfaction_('89).
by Hans Werner Güsgen. It's quite good in describing a 'constraint'
strategy, which is used in Babylon; as it specifically points out.

So, I'm well enough on my way with the project source and this
earlier reference.

I appreciate your reply in so much as it reminded me that I hadn't
looked for the other co-authors, or for that matter, the author of this
earlier book.
Peri

The book is available on Amazon. According to the German Wikipedia, the author teaches Aikido now, some googling then helps you find him at
https://lebenskunst-bonn.de/thomas-christaller/
There is no full text or ebook link on Researchgate.

It was available on Amazon.de, and still listed on all the Amazon sites
as 'temporarily out of stock', but I highly doubt another print run is scheduled. In fact, my attempting to buy it from Amazon.de, the English version at that, my order was accepted, and then a few days later,
refunded back to me due to it not being in stock.
I then repeated the same process at amazon.co.uk ... So I've done my
part to increase demand for it. ;)

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