• Newbie needs recommendation for fast learning a little php.

    From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 29 10:30:35 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    I don't even know if I'm up to the level of being a newbie at this
    point. I mostly need to do a specific thing, get a html file to
    display its last modified date and time inside itself.

    I'm not sure a book is going to be that useful, but maybe a Web site
    could be. I'd need one that really is basic.

    I've found a Web page or two, but they seem to assume that I know more
    than I do because I can't get the code snippets I've found on those
    Web pages to work.

    I used to use ssi for this, but I moved to a new Web host and they
    seem to have their server time zone set as the only time zone I can
    display, and they are far away from me, so in ssi I get a date and
    time for a file modification time that's many hours off. I'm hoping
    that php will solve my problem. Thanks in advance.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to Not_even_a_newbie@example.net on Tue Jun 29 21:01:57 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On 29/06/2021 16.30, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    I mostly need to do a specific thing, get a file to
    display its last modified date and time inside itself.

    I used to use ssi for this, but I moved to a new Web host and they
    seem to have their server time zone set as the only time zone I can
    display, and they are far away from me, so in ssi I get a date and
    time for a file modification time that's many hours off.

    I'm assuming you got the PHP code to work to show the date (even if it's
    the wrong timezone for you).

    If you have stored the date in a variable $lastmodified then you could
    use the following code to adjust it:

    $date = date_create($lastmodified, timezone_open('Pacific/Nauru'));
    echo date_format($date, 'Y-m-d H:i:sP');

    Just use a valid timezone name to replace the Pacific/Nauru. Keep in
    mind that the time may look off for other users who do not live in the
    timezone you want to display.

    For more information about datetime and timezone check the following
    page at php.net:

    https://www.php.net/manual/en/datetime.settimezone.php


    --

    //Aho

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 30 05:58:22 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 21:01:57 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:


    On 29/06/2021 16.30, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    I mostly need to do a specific thing, get a file to
    display its last modified date and time inside itself.

    I used to use ssi for this, but I moved to a new Web host and they
    seem to have their server time zone set as the only time zone I can
    display, and they are far away from me, so in ssi I get a date and
    time for a file modification time that's many hours off.

    I'm assuming you got the PHP code to work to show the date (even if it's
    the wrong timezone for you).

    Yeah, I think.

    I used this code:

    <p>Date/Time: YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm<br>
    <?php echo(strftime("%Y-%m-%d %H:%M")); ?></p>

    and it produced this output:

    Date/Time: YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm
    2021-06-30 05:38

    So the above output is the format I want, and it is in my time zone. I
    was able to make it so that PHP uses my time zone, even though the
    server is far away. What I'll want is the actual date/time string, and
    I figure that I can cut out the other part that's before it.

    I've been spending a lot of time trying to figure this all out. Right
    now I'm thinking that using something like "filemtime" is going to
    give me what I want. So far I am not having any luck with it though.

    What I need to do is get the PHP script, when I can hammer it out,
    into a HTML file and have the file display its own modification time.

    If you have stored the date in a variable $lastmodified then you could
    use the following code to adjust it:

    $date = date_create($lastmodified, timezone_open('Pacific/Nauru'));
    echo date_format($date, 'Y-m-d H:i:sP');

    Just use a valid timezone name to replace the Pacific/Nauru. Keep in
    mind that the time may look off for other users who do not live in the >timezone you want to display.

    For more information about datetime and timezone check the following
    page at php.net:

    https://www.php.net/manual/en/datetime.settimezone.php

    Yes, I've looked at that and I have the server using my time zone for
    PHP output. Thanks for that and thanks for replying.

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 30 08:08:04 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a
    file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 30 15:09:57 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net:

    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a
    file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];

    Why this?

    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    Much simpler:

    <?php
    echo "This file was last modified on: ";
    echo date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($_SERVER["SCRIPT_FILENAME"]));


    Also see:

    <https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.server.php>

    "'SCRIPT_FILENAME'

    The absolute pathname of the currently executing script."


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to Not_even_a_newbie@example.net on Wed Jun 30 16:24:38 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On 30/06/2021 14.08, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a
    file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    I won't comment on the code as Arno already done that, there is two
    options, I would say one option is not up to you, so in reality you have
    only one option (the last one)

    1. Make the webserver to send .html files to tne php engine as it does
    with the .php files.

    2. Rename the .html file to .php


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    //Aho

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 30 13:49:13 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:24:38 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2021 14.08, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a
    file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    I won't comment on the code as Arno already done that, there is two
    options, I would say one option is not up to you, so in reality you have
    only one option (the last one)

    1. Make the webserver to send .html files to tne php engine as it does
    with the .php files.

    2. Rename the .html file to .php

    Uh oh. But I'm reading that I can embed php into a html file. Isn't
    that possible?

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 30 13:46:35 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:09:57 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
    wrote:

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net:

    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a
    file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];

    Why this?

    Why the one below here? I'm casting about trying to find something
    that works. I'm picking up what I can. I'm pretty much flailing about
    at this point.

    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    Much simpler:

    <?php
    echo "This file was last modified on: ";
    echo date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($_SERVER["SCRIPT_FILENAME"]));


    Thanks for that. I've plugged this in and saved it as foo.php and I
    get an odd reaction. The actual time stamp on the file is 13:22, but
    the above script is telling me that the file was last modified at
    13:06. I suppose that the idiots at my Web host may have screwed up
    something on the server. The 13:22 time is when I created the file, so
    it can't be that it's showing when it was created and not when it was
    modified. I'm scratching my head here.

    Also see:

    <https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.server.php>

    "'SCRIPT_FILENAME'

    The absolute pathname of the currently executing script."

    Okay, I don't understand what you mean in the piece immediately above
    this. The above url seems to say that the script will just run.

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  • From Ray_Net@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 30 23:03:22 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    In article <rdbmdghp8532b2sgknb9iqv6a0i6vlom8p@4ax.com>, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net says...

    I don't even know if I'm up to the level of being a newbie at this
    point. I mostly need to do a specific thing, get a html file to
    display its last modified date and time inside itself.

    I'm not sure a book is going to be that useful, but maybe a Web site
    could be. I'd need one that really is basic.

    I've found a Web page or two, but they seem to assume that I know more
    than I do because I can't get the code snippets I've found on those
    Web pages to work.

    I used to use ssi for this, but I moved to a new Web host and they
    seem to have their server time zone set as the only time zone I can
    display, and they are far away from me, so in ssi I get a date and
    time for a file modification time that's many hours off. I'm hoping
    that php will solve my problem. Thanks in advance.

    https://code.adonline.id.au/last-modified-date-php/

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to Not_even_a_newbie@example.net on Wed Jun 30 22:23:32 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On 30/06/2021 19.49, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:24:38 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2021 14.08, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a
    file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    I won't comment on the code as Arno already done that, there is two
    options, I would say one option is not up to you, so in reality you have
    only one option (the last one)

    1. Make the webserver to send .html files to tne php engine as it does
    with the .php files.

    2. Rename the .html file to .php

    Uh oh. But I'm reading that I can embed php into a html file. Isn't
    that possible?

    The issue is that the web server will not treat each file it handles as
    a php code, it will only look for files that ends with php, send those
    to a PHP-engine which parses the file and executes the php code and then
    hands back the output to the web server which then sends the output to
    the end user (the visitor to your web page).

    It's possible to allow .html/.htm files the same way, but then you need
    the administration rights of the server, as you are using a shared
    service, it means you don't have administrator privileges and those you
    can't do the change.

    So this leads to the only thing you can do, rename your files so that
    they are called .php instead of .html/.htm.

    If you don't want to rename files, then you need to look at javascript
    solution for displaying last modified document time.

    --

    //Aho

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 1 00:49:58 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:23:32 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:


    On 30/06/2021 19.49, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:24:38 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2021 14.08, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a >>>> file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    I won't comment on the code as Arno already done that, there is two
    options, I would say one option is not up to you, so in reality you have >>> only one option (the last one)

    1. Make the webserver to send .html files to tne php engine as it does
    with the .php files.

    2. Rename the .html file to .php

    Uh oh. But I'm reading that I can embed php into a html file. Isn't
    that possible?

    The issue is that the web server will not treat each file it handles as
    a php code, it will only look for files that ends with php, send those
    to a PHP-engine which parses the file and executes the php code and then >hands back the output to the web server which then sends the output to
    the end user (the visitor to your web page).

    It's possible to allow .html/.htm files the same way, but then you need
    the administration rights of the server, as you are using a shared
    service, it means you don't have administrator privileges and those you
    can't do the change.

    Thanks for clarifying that. I don't control the server, but I've read
    that those who do can allow html files to be scanned for php code.
    Maybe my Web host has in fact done that. Would I be able to find some
    notation about that in the Web host's phpinfo.php file?

    Also, some scripts seem to work in html files and some don't.

    The following is the entire code for a file I named hello_1.html

    <html>
    <head>
    <title>PHP Test</title>
    </head>
    <body>
    <?php echo '<p>Hello World</p>'; ?>
    </body>
    </html>

    It produced the result:

    "Hello World

    '; ?> "

    in the browser. It's obviously got a little problem in the output, but
    it did produce a mostly useful output.

    Attempts to get the php script I actually want to use to run in an
    html file have not, so far, produced the thing the php script tries to
    do or else the file doesn't produce any result at all.

    So this leads to the only thing you can do, rename your files so that
    they are called .php instead of .html/.htm.

    Yeah, that would be a hassle, but if I can't get the php scripts to
    run in html files that may be what I'll have to do. I'd need to see
    how those php files would interact with the many html files they link
    to.

    If you don't want to rename files, then you need to look at javascript >solution for displaying last modified document time.

    I whipped up a javascript to do what I want days ago, but a lot of
    people keep javascript turned off, so it wouldn't work for them. I
    supposed I could figure out how to get some message put in place of
    the file modification date if javascript is turned off.

    Thanks for your help.

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  • From J.O. Aho@21:1/5 to Not_even_a_newbie@example.net on Thu Jul 1 08:03:23 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On 01/07/2021 06.49, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:23:32 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:


    On 30/06/2021 19.49, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:24:38 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2021 14.08, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a >>>>> file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    I won't comment on the code as Arno already done that, there is two
    options, I would say one option is not up to you, so in reality you have >>>> only one option (the last one)

    1. Make the webserver to send .html files to tne php engine as it does >>>> with the .php files.

    2. Rename the .html file to .php

    Uh oh. But I'm reading that I can embed php into a html file. Isn't
    that possible?

    The issue is that the web server will not treat each file it handles as
    a php code, it will only look for files that ends with php, send those
    to a PHP-engine which parses the file and executes the php code and then
    hands back the output to the web server which then sends the output to
    the end user (the visitor to your web page).

    It's possible to allow .html/.htm files the same way, but then you need
    the administration rights of the server, as you are using a shared
    service, it means you don't have administrator privileges and those you
    can't do the change.

    Thanks for clarifying that. I don't control the server, but I've read
    that those who do can allow html files to be scanned for php code.
    Maybe my Web host has in fact done that. Would I be able to find some notation about that in the Web host's phpinfo.php file?

    Also, some scripts seem to work in html files and some don't.

    The following is the entire code for a file I named hello_1.html

    <html>
    <head>
    <title>PHP Test</title>
    </head>
    <body>
    <?php echo '<p>Hello World</p>'; ?>
    </body>
    </html>

    It produced the result:

    "Hello World

    '; ?> "

    in the browser. It's obviously got a little problem in the output, but
    it did produce a mostly useful output.

    No, it's your web browsers html engine that detects a faulty html tag
    with another html tag and tries it best to correct the html and shows
    you what it thinks should be shown.

    Had you written:

    <?php echo 1+1; ?>

    your output had been:


    yes, nothing at all, and that is the proof of that the php code do not
    be executed, had the php engine processed the page before sent to you,
    you would have had a 2.


    Attempts to get the php script I actually want to use to run in an
    html file have not, so far, produced the thing the php script tries to
    do or else the file doesn't produce any result at all.

    As long it's in a file ending with html/htm it will not be executed, so
    matter what you write, nothing will happen, you need to change the
    ending to php.

    So this leads to the only thing you can do, rename your files so that
    they are called .php instead of .html/.htm.

    Yeah, that would be a hassle, but if I can't get the php scripts to
    run in html files that may be what I'll have to do. I'd need to see
    how those php files would interact with the many html files they link
    to.

    You just need to change the links to the new page name that ends with
    .php and that's it.

    If you don't want to rename files, then you need to look at javascript
    solution for displaying last modified document time.

    I whipped up a javascript to do what I want days ago, but a lot of
    people keep javascript turned off, so it wouldn't work for them. I
    supposed I could figure out how to get some message put in place of
    the file modification date if javascript is turned off.

    Itnernet is nowadays quite useless without javascript, so people tend to
    not disable it anymore. The benefit with the javascript is that you can
    display time the file was modified based on the users timezone.

    --

    //Aho

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 1 10:49:18 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net:

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:09:57 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
    wrote:
    [...]
    Much simpler:

    <?php
    echo "This file was last modified on: ";
    echo date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($_SERVER["SCRIPT_FILENAME"]));


    Thanks for that. I've plugged this in and saved it as foo.php and I
    get an odd reaction. The actual time stamp on the file is 13:22, but
    the above script is telling me that the file was last modified at
    13:06. I suppose that the idiots at my Web host may have screwed up
    something on the server. The 13:22 time is when I created the file, so
    it can't be that it's showing when it was created and not when it was modified. I'm scratching my head here.

    You can also try this to make sure the file system cache is emptied:

    <?php
    clearstatcache($_SERVER["SCRIPT_FILENAME"]);
    echo "This file was last modified on: ";
    echo date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($_SERVER["SCRIPT_FILENAME"]));


    And if this doesn't work, use a global cache clear:

    <?php
    clearstatcache();
    echo "This file was last modified on: ";
    echo date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($_SERVER["SCRIPT_FILENAME"]));


    Also see: <https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.clearstatcache.php>

    Also see:

    <https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.server.php>

    "'SCRIPT_FILENAME'

    The absolute pathname of the currently executing script."

    Okay, I don't understand what you mean in the piece immediately above
    this. The above url seems to say that the script will just run.

    $_SERVER is a super global array which provides a number of runtime
    parameters of the current script. $_SERVER["SCRIPT_FILENAME"] contains
    the complete name of the current script including the path or the name
    which was passed at command line when using PHP as CLI.

    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 1 12:35:29 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net:

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:23:32 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:


    On 30/06/2021 19.49, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:24:38 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2021 14.08, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a >>>>> file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last
    modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    I won't comment on the code as Arno already done that, there is two
    options, I would say one option is not up to you, so in reality you have >>>> only one option (the last one)

    1. Make the webserver to send .html files to tne php engine as it does >>>> with the .php files.

    2. Rename the .html file to .php

    Uh oh. But I'm reading that I can embed php into a html file. Isn't
    that possible?

    The issue is that the web server will not treat each file it handles as
    a php code, it will only look for files that ends with php, send those
    to a PHP-engine which parses the file and executes the php code and then
    hands back the output to the web server which then sends the output to
    the end user (the visitor to your web page).

    It's possible to allow .html/.htm files the same way, but then you need
    the administration rights of the server, as you are using a shared
    service, it means you don't have administrator privileges and those you
    can't do the change.

    Thanks for clarifying that. I don't control the server, but I've read
    that those who do can allow html files to be scanned for php code.
    Maybe my Web host has in fact done that. Would I be able to find some notation about that in the Web host's phpinfo.php file?

    Also, some scripts seem to work in html files and some don't.

    The following is the entire code for a file I named hello_1.html

    <html>
    <head>
    <title>PHP Test</title>
    </head>
    <body>
    <?php echo '<p>Hello World</p>'; ?>
    </body>
    </html>

    It produced the result:

    "Hello World

    '; ?> "

    in the browser. It's obviously got a little problem in the output, but
    it did produce a mostly useful output.

    No. The output comes from the fact, that PHP was *not* interpreted.

    The browser displays *exactly* this:

    <?php echo '<p>Hello World</p>'; ?>

    Just have a look at the source of the page which is displayed by the
    browser.

    Since <?php will treated by the browser as the beginning of a tag, it
    will be omitted in the visible output. But "; ?>" is clearly left over
    as the PHP code was *not* interpreted but just sent to the browser. The
    result is then what you see.

    If renaming everything from .html to .php you should look for a hosting
    service which allows using .html with PHP as well. Technically this is
    just a configuration in the webserver - however that is usually not
    possible in shared hosting environments.

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    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 1 12:29:17 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net:

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:24:38 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:
    [...]
    2. Rename the .html file to .php

    Uh oh. But I'm reading that I can embed php into a html file. Isn't
    that possible?

    It is - but the file must be processed by PHP. This usually does not
    happen, when the file exension is ".html".


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Pierre Jelenc@21:1/5 to Not_even_a_newbie@example.net on Thu Jul 1 21:36:05 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    In article <4mcqdgtiqjshpeg88h50b5l97fp3qmflfu@4ax.com>,
    <Not_even_a_newbie@example.net> wrote:

    Thanks for clarifying that. I don't control the server, but I've read
    that those who do can allow html files to be scanned for php code.
    Maybe my Web host has in fact done that. Would I be able to find some >notation about that in the Web host's phpinfo.php file?

    You don't need to control the server itself; many hosts --indeed all the
    good ones, I say-- allow you to redirect .html to the PHP engine one way
    or another, typically from .htaccess with AddType and AddHandler
    directives. Check your host's help system or file a support ticket, they probably have a FAQ answer ready.

    Pierre


    --
    Pierre Jelenc
    The Gigometer www.gigometer.com
    The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 1 22:53:35 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    In accordance with the rules of 21st century technology, the main message is posted in HTML format. Some people may not be able to read it in any of the non-mozilla newsreaders. For them I give them my customary two fingers salute and send my FO
    greetings.



    --

    With over 1.3 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
    satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.


    <html>
    <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
    <link href="https://fonts.googleapis.com/css2?family=Roboto:ital,wght@0,400;1,700&amp;display=swap"
    rel="stylesheet">
    <style>
    body{font-size:1.2em;color:#900;background-color:#f5f1e4;font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;padding:25px}blockquote{background-color:#eacccc;color:#c16666;font-style:oblique 25deg}
    </style>
    </head>
    <body text="#990000" bgcolor="#f5f1e4">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/07/2021 05:49,
    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Not_even_a_newbie@example.net">Not_even_a_newbie@example.net</a> wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
    cite="mid:4mcqdgtiqjshpeg88h50b5l97fp3qmflfu@4ax.com"><br>
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">It produced the result:

    "Hello World

    '; ?&gt; "

    in the browser. It's obviously got a little problem in the output, but
    it did produce a mostly useful output.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>If you have uploaded the file in the correct folder of your
    webhost then it should produce a clean output. It should just say:</p>
    <p> </p>
    <blockquote type="cite">
    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hello World</pre>
    </blockquote>
    There should not be any other characters.
    <p>Are you sure your webhost is allowing you to run php on the
    server? Some servers have a basic subscription that only allows
    you static files - HTML/CSS/JavaScript</p>
    <p>Who is your host? I suspect, you are running your own webserver
    and so you haven't configured it correctly to serve php files. We
    get newbies who think they have done what is required but "nothing
    works". They become very defensive when you try to point out their
    errors.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
    <div class="table" style="display: table;">
    <div class="tr" style="display: table-row;">
    <div class="td" style="display:table-cell;width:
    100vw;box-sizing:border-box;padding: 10px; vertical-align:
    middle; background-color: #003300;color:
    chartreuse;height:80px;font-size: 1.2em;text-align:
    center;font-weight: 900;border-radius: 5px;">
    <p>With over 1.3 billion devices now running Windows 10,
    customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version
    of windows. </p>
    </div>
    </div>
    </div>
    </div>
    </body>
    </html>

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to Ray_Net@picarre.be.invalid on Fri Jul 2 18:07:50 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 23:03:22 +0200, Ray_Net
    <Ray_Net@picarre.be.invalid> wrote:

    In article <rdbmdghp8532b2sgknb9iqv6a0i6vlom8p@4ax.com>, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net says...

    I don't even know if I'm up to the level of being a newbie at this
    point. I mostly need to do a specific thing, get a html file to
    display its last modified date and time inside itself.

    I'm not sure a book is going to be that useful, but maybe a Web site
    could be. I'd need one that really is basic.

    I've found a Web page or two, but they seem to assume that I know more
    than I do because I can't get the code snippets I've found on those
    Web pages to work.

    I used to use ssi for this, but I moved to a new Web host and they
    seem to have their server time zone set as the only time zone I can
    display, and they are far away from me, so in ssi I get a date and
    time for a file modification time that's many hours off. I'm hoping
    that php will solve my problem. Thanks in advance.

    https://code.adonline.id.au/last-modified-date-php/

    I had been looking around for days and I didn't run across that Web
    page. Wish I'd seen it sooner, although I don't know yet if it's going
    to solve my problems. Thanks for that link.

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to Jelenc on Fri Jul 2 18:49:49 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 21:36:05 -0000 (UTC), rcpj@panix.com (Pierre
    Jelenc) wrote:

    In article <4mcqdgtiqjshpeg88h50b5l97fp3qmflfu@4ax.com>,
    <Not_even_a_newbie@example.net> wrote:

    Thanks for clarifying that. I don't control the server, but I've read
    that those who do can allow html files to be scanned for php code.
    Maybe my Web host has in fact done that. Would I be able to find some >>notation about that in the Web host's phpinfo.php file?

    You don't need to control the server itself; many hosts --indeed all the
    good ones, I say-- allow you to redirect .html to the PHP engine one way
    or another, typically from .htaccess with AddType and AddHandler
    directives. Check your host's help system or file a support ticket, they >probably have a FAQ answer ready.

    I have apparently gotten the server to process PHP scripts inside the
    HTML file. Things is, that's kind of wasteful and may slow things
    down, for me and for others. I did read on one of the many Web pages
    I've been looking at over this topic that besides putting "AddType application/x-httpd-php .html" into my .htaccess file, and making ALL
    HTML files get processed for any PHP scripts, that there was also a
    way to do it for a single file. I have about five files I need to do
    this modification notice for.

    The code for a single file that I saw was "<Files yourpage.html>
    AddType application/x-httpd-php .html </Files>" where yourpage.html
    was whatever that one file was named.

    Does anyone know if it's possible to use that declaration, or
    something like it, in the .htaccess file so that only the five HTML
    files that really need to have PHP processed will get processed and
    all other HTML files will not be?

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  • From Pierre Jelenc@21:1/5 to Not_even_a_newbie@example.net on Fri Jul 2 23:02:53 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    In article <lb4vdg1uqp8p7hhirnni6uqk2h147m0eq3@4ax.com>,
    <Not_even_a_newbie@example.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 21:36:05 -0000 (UTC), rcpj@panix.com (Pierre
    Jelenc) wrote:

    In article <4mcqdgtiqjshpeg88h50b5l97fp3qmflfu@4ax.com>,
    <Not_even_a_newbie@example.net> wrote:

    Thanks for clarifying that. I don't control the server, but I've read >>>that those who do can allow html files to be scanned for php code.
    Maybe my Web host has in fact done that. Would I be able to find some >>>notation about that in the Web host's phpinfo.php file?

    You don't need to control the server itself; many hosts --indeed all the >>good ones, I say-- allow you to redirect .html to the PHP engine one way
    or another, typically from .htaccess with AddType and AddHandler >>directives. Check your host's help system or file a support ticket, they >>probably have a FAQ answer ready.

    I have apparently gotten the server to process PHP scripts inside the
    HTML file. Things is, that's kind of wasteful and may slow things
    down, for me and for others. I did read on one of the many Web pages
    I've been looking at over this topic that besides putting "AddType >application/x-httpd-php .html" into my .htaccess file, and making ALL
    HTML files get processed for any PHP scripts, that there was also a
    way to do it for a single file. I have about five files I need to do
    this modification notice for.

    The code for a single file that I saw was "<Files yourpage.html>
    AddType application/x-httpd-php .html </Files>" where yourpage.html
    was whatever that one file was named.

    Does anyone know if it's possible to use that declaration, or
    something like it, in the .htaccess file so that only the five HTML
    files that really need to have PHP processed will get processed and
    all other HTML files will not be?

    It should work (but again, it depends on the way the server is set up). Alternatively, rename the relevant files to .htm and redirect .htm to PHP
    but leave .html alone.

    Pierre
    --
    Pierre Jelenc
    The Gigometer www.gigometer.com
    The NYC Beer Guide www.nycbeer.org

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 2 18:21:10 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 12:35:29 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
    wrote:

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net:

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:23:32 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:


    On 30/06/2021 19.49, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:24:38 +0200, "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>
    wrote:

    On 30/06/2021 14.08, Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    This does what I want, but only as a .PHP file. How do I get it into a >>>>>> file named foo.html so I can have foo.html declare when it was last >>>>>> modified?

    <?php
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    //echo $pfile;
    echo "This file was last modified on: " .date("Y-m-d
    H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    I feel as if I'm almost there.

    I won't comment on the code as Arno already done that, there is two
    options, I would say one option is not up to you, so in reality you have >>>>> only one option (the last one)

    1. Make the webserver to send .html files to tne php engine as it does >>>>> with the .php files.

    2. Rename the .html file to .php

    Uh oh. But I'm reading that I can embed php into a html file. Isn't
    that possible?

    The issue is that the web server will not treat each file it handles as
    a php code, it will only look for files that ends with php, send those
    to a PHP-engine which parses the file and executes the php code and then >>> hands back the output to the web server which then sends the output to
    the end user (the visitor to your web page).

    It's possible to allow .html/.htm files the same way, but then you need
    the administration rights of the server, as you are using a shared
    service, it means you don't have administrator privileges and those you
    can't do the change.

    Thanks for clarifying that. I don't control the server, but I've read
    that those who do can allow html files to be scanned for php code.
    Maybe my Web host has in fact done that. Would I be able to find some
    notation about that in the Web host's phpinfo.php file?

    Also, some scripts seem to work in html files and some don't.

    The following is the entire code for a file I named hello_1.html

    <html>
    <head>
    <title>PHP Test</title>
    </head>
    <body>
    <?php echo '<p>Hello World</p>'; ?>
    </body>
    </html>

    It produced the result:

    "Hello World

    '; ?> "

    in the browser. It's obviously got a little problem in the output, but
    it did produce a mostly useful output.

    No. The output comes from the fact, that PHP was *not* interpreted.

    The browser displays *exactly* this:

    <?php echo '<p>Hello World</p>'; ?>

    Just have a look at the source of the page which is displayed by the
    browser.

    Since <?php will treated by the browser as the beginning of a tag, it
    will be omitted in the visible output. But "; ?>" is clearly left over
    as the PHP code was *not* interpreted but just sent to the browser. The >result is then what you see.

    If renaming everything from .html to .php you should look for a hosting >service which allows using .html with PHP as well. Technically this is
    just a configuration in the webserver - however that is usually not
    possible in shared hosting environments.

    It is possible that I have gotten the magic words into the .htaccess
    file and I think that I'm able to run PHP scripts from within HTML
    files. Even so, I am thinking that I've really been going about this
    the wrong way. I may need to learn how to inject HTML into PHP rather
    than the other way around, which I've been trying to do.

    Anyway, I cobbled together the following code after I seem to have
    gotten the server to execute PHP inside every HTML file.

    <!DOCTYPE html>
    <html lang="en">
    <head>
    <meta charset="utf-8">
    <title>will php run in html now?</title>
    <meta http-equiv="description" content="">
    <meta http-equiv="keywords" content=",">
    <meta http-equiv="distribution" content="global">
    <meta http-equiv="resource-type" content="document">

    </head>
    <body>

    <h1>Am I Going To Get it Now?</h1>

    <p>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.</p>



    Updated:
    <?php
    date_default_timezone_set('America/New_York');
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    echo "" .date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    The output of that code was:

    Am I Going To Get it Now?

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.

    Updated: 2021-07-02 18:07

    That mostly looks okay. I have more to say on it, but I think I'll do
    that in a separate post for reasons which I think will become obvious.

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  • From John-Paul Stewart@21:1/5 to Not_even_a_newbie@example.net on Fri Jul 2 20:01:13 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On 2021-07-02 7:36 p.m., Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    echo "" .date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($pfile));

    No matter what I do I always get the same minutes.

    You're not showing minutes at all. Lower case m is month number (as you
    used in the date). You probably want H:i for hour and minutes; hour
    and month is an odd pairing!

    https://www.php.net/manual/en/datetime.format.php

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 2 19:36:09 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    All right, here's a weird part.

    After this code and output
    ....
    <!DOCTYPE html>
    <html lang="en">
    <head>
    <meta charset="utf-8">
    <title>will php run in html now?</title>
    <meta http-equiv="description" content="">
    <meta http-equiv="keywords" content=",">
    <meta http-equiv="distribution" content="global">
    <meta http-equiv="resource-type" content="document">

    </head>
    <body>

    <h1>Am I Going To Get it Now?</h1>

    <p>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.</p>

    <br>
    <br>
    Updated:
    <?php
    date_default_timezone_set('America/New_York');
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);
    $pfile = $break[count($break) - 1];
    echo "" .date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($pfile));


    The output of that code was:

    Am I Going To Get it Now?

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.

    Updated: 2021-07-02 18:07
    ....

    No matter what I do I always get the same minutes. The hour changes,
    but the minutes are staying the same. I changed the file a bit, and
    saved it again and again but the "07" stayed. So right now the string
    says the file was modified at 2021-07-02 19:07 even though it's later
    than that by a lot and this happened in the previous hour as well.

    This can't be something wrong with the code, can it? I think it must
    be something wrong with the server. I just know that when I bring this
    up to my Web host they're going to say it's the code that's at fault.
    Is that possible?

    Anyone have an opinion on this?

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to jpstewart@personalprojects.net on Sat Jul 3 00:08:18 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 20:01:13 -0400, John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> wrote:

    On 2021-07-02 7:36 p.m., Not_even_a_newbie@example.net wrote:
    echo "" .date("Y-m-d H:m",filemtime($pfile));

    No matter what I do I always get the same minutes.

    You're not showing minutes at all. Lower case m is month number (as you
    used in the date).

    D'oh! I'm going back and forth so much here that I missed that
    entirely. Thanks a lot for pointing out my error.

    You probably want H:i for hour and minutes; hour
    and month is an odd pairing!

    Yes, the page gives the right modification time now. Thanks a lot.

    https://www.php.net/manual/en/datetime.format.php

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  • From Arno Welzel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 3 15:40:33 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net:

    [...]
    <?php
    date_default_timezone_set('America/New_York');
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);

    The function name is "explode()" in lower case and not "Explode()". Even
    if PHP accepts the upper case version as well you should use the correct
    case to avoid problems with future updates.

    Also see: <https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.explode.php>


    --
    Arno Welzel
    https://arnowelzel.de

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  • From Not_even_a_newbie@example.net@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 3 14:36:11 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 15:40:33 +0200, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
    wrote:

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net:

    [...]
    <?php
    date_default_timezone_set('America/New_York');
    $file = $_SERVER["SCRIPT_NAME"];
    $break = Explode('/', $file);

    The function name is "explode()" in lower case and not "Explode()". Even
    if PHP accepts the upper case version as well you should use the correct
    case to avoid problems with future updates.

    Okay, thanks. I've corrected that now.

    Also see: <https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.explode.php>

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  • From Mi Na@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 22 06:24:12 2021
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  • From Blue Hat@21:1/5 to Not_even_a_newbie@example.net on Sun Aug 8 13:43:20 2021
    XPost: alt.comp.lang.php, alt.php

    Not_even_a_newbie@example.net Wrote in message:r
    I don't even know if I'm up to the level of being a newbie at thispoint. I mostly need to do a specific thing, get a html file todisplay its last modified date and time inside itself.I'm not sure a book is going to be that useful, but maybe a Web
    sitecould be. I'd need one that really is basic.I've found a Web page or two, but they seem to assume that I know morethan I do because I can't get the code snippets I've found on thoseWeb pages to work.I used to use ssi for this, but I moved to a new
    Web host and theyseem to have their server time zone set as the only time zone I candisplay, and they are far away from me, so in ssi I get a date andtime for a file modification time that's many hours off. I'm hopingthat php will solve my problem.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Have you tried setting up your own webserver to try this out on?
    Try doing basic stuff and work your way up to figuring it out? I
    had messaged similar problem with using JS in PHP and although my
    solution wasn't too elegant it did what I wanted.


    The point is to break down what u want done and attack each step.
    Next, use HTML in your file to do what you want to then replace
    each one with a PHP snippet. I could offer you some help if you
    would like.


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