• Numpy, Matplotlib crash Python 3.8 Windows 7, 32-bit - can you help ?

    From a a@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 16 17:07:33 2023
    Crash report:

    Problem Caption:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application name: python.exe
    Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
    Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
    Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
    Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
    Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
    Exception code: c000001d
    Exception offset: 000269c9
    Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
    Regional Settings ID: 1045
    Additional information 1: 0a9e
    Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    Additional information 3: 0a9e
    Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Fri Mar 17 11:02:36 2023
    On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
    Crash report:

    Problem Caption:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application name: python.exe
    Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
    Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
    Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
    Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
    Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
    Exception code: c000001d
    Exception offset: 000269c9
    Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
    Regional Settings ID: 1045
    Additional information 1: 0a9e
    Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    Additional information 3: 0a9e
    Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789

    This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
    possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
    specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
    that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
    the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.

    It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
    earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to a a on Fri Mar 17 08:52:15 2023
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:32:53 UTC+1, a a wrote:
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
    Crash report:

    Problem Caption:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application name: python.exe
    Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
    Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
    Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
    Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
    Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
    Exception code: c000001d
    Exception offset: 000269c9
    Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
    Regional Settings ID: 1045
    Additional information 1: 0a9e
    Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    Additional information 3: 0a9e
    Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
    possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
    that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.

    It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
    earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
    Thank you Thomas
    for your kind reply.

    I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
    but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.

    As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an earlier one

    I simply tried to test Python code from


    https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/

    ====
    # Python program to read .csv file

    import numpy as np
    import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
    import csv
    ----

    "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:

    with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
    data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file

    ====
    Just read about AVE from Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions


    downloaded and run
    HWiNFO
    and AVE not supported, not greened out

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Fri Mar 17 08:32:41 2023
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
    Crash report:

    Problem Caption:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application name: python.exe
    Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
    Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
    Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
    Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
    Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
    Exception code: c000001d
    Exception offset: 000269c9
    Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
    Regional Settings ID: 1045
    Additional information 1: 0a9e
    Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    Additional information 3: 0a9e
    Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
    possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
    specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
    that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
    the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.

    It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
    earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.

    Thank you Thomas
    for your kind reply.

    I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
    but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.

    As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an
    earlier one

    I simply tried to test Python code from


    https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/

    ====
    # Python program to read .csv file

    import numpy as np
    import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
    import csv
    ----

    "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:

    with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
    data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file

    ====
    Just read about AVE from Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Fri Mar 17 08:36:48 2023
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
    Crash report:

    Problem Caption:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application name: python.exe
    Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
    Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
    Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
    Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
    Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
    Exception code: c000001d
    Exception offset: 000269c9
    Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
    Regional Settings ID: 1045
    Additional information 1: 0a9e
    Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    Additional information 3: 0a9e
    Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
    possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
    specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
    that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of
    the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.

    It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
    earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.


    Just reading from search engine:

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+to+downgrade+_multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd+&form=QBLH&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=how+to+downgrade+_multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd+&sc=1-50&qs=n&sk=

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Sat Mar 18 15:05:41 2023
    On 3/17/2023 11:52 AM, a a wrote:
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:32:53 UTC+1, a a wrote:
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
    Crash report:

    Problem Caption:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application name: python.exe
    Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
    Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
    Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
    Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
    Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
    Exception code: c000001d
    Exception offset: 000269c9
    Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
    Regional Settings ID: 1045
    Additional information 1: 0a9e
    Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    Additional information 3: 0a9e
    Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
    possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced
    instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
    specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If
    that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of >>> the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.

    It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
    earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
    Thank you Thomas
    for your kind reply.

    I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
    but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.

    As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an
    earlier one

    I simply tried to test Python code from


    https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/

    ====
    # Python program to read .csv file

    import numpy as np
    import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
    import csv
    ----

    "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:

    with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
    data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file

    ====
    Just read about AVE from Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions


    downloaded and run
    HWiNFO
    and AVE not supported, not greened out

    That's too bad; you may be out of luck. It's possible that someone has compiled the .pyd library in such a way that it does not need the
    instruction set extensions. I'm sorry but I don't know how to find out
    except by trying internet searches - or by downgrading to earlier
    versions of Numpy hoping to find one that works and also can be used by
    the other libraries/programs that need to use it.

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Sat Mar 18 15:01:03 2023
    On 3/17/2023 11:32 AM, a a wrote:
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:

    It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
    earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.

    Thank you Thomas for your kind reply.

    I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7,
    32-bit system but I have visited every social chat support forum on
    the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.
    I mentioned the "multiarray" just because of its name in the error message:

    "Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd "

    I assumed that the code you tried to run required an import from a
    module or package whose name included "multiarray". But I didn't try to actually look for one. Now I've checked, and I see it's included with
    NumPy.

    I simply tried to test Python code from


    https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/

    ==== # Python program to read .csv file

    import numpy as np import matplotlib.pyplot as plt import csv ----

    "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:

    with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f: data = list(csv.reader(f,
    delimiter=',')) #reading csv file

    You don't need numpy just to do this import, so you could remove the
    numpy import just to test reading the csv file. But I imagine you do
    need numpy for later steps.


    As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version
    to an earlier one.
    I just had to do this myself to work around a change in an import that
    broke one of my programs (not a numpy import). If you can identify an
    earlier version that work - we will use proglib v 3.72 as an example -
    with pip you would use

    python3 -m pip install --upgrade proglib<=3.72

    To get exactly version 3.72, you would use "==3.72".

    NOTE - no space allowed before the first "=" character!.
    NOTE - you may need to type "python" or "py" instead of "python3". Just
    use the one that runs the version of Python that you want to run.

    To find which versions are available:

    python3 -m pip install --upgrade proglib==

    To find out which version you have installed on your computer:

    python3 -m pip show numpy

    After you downgrade to an earlier version, you can test it just by
    trying to import numpy. In an interpreter session, just try to import it:

    import numpy

    If that succeeds, chances are you will be all set.

    ==== Just read about AVE from Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions

    I have read that there are other instruction set extensions that could
    be missing besides AVE, that could cause that exception code. The fact
    that you have a relatively old computer suggests that could be the problem.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Wed Mar 22 05:09:21 2023
    On Saturday, 18 March 2023 at 20:12:22 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 11:52 AM, a a wrote:
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:32:53 UTC+1, a a wrote:
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
    Crash report:

    Problem Caption:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application name: python.exe
    Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
    Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
    Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
    Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
    Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
    Exception code: c000001d
    Exception offset: 000269c9
    Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
    Regional Settings ID: 1045
    Additional information 1: 0a9e
    Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    Additional information 3: 0a9e
    Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
    possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced >>> instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
    specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If >>> that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of >>> the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.

    It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
    earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
    Thank you Thomas
    for your kind reply.

    I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
    but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.

    As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an >> earlier one

    I simply tried to test Python code from


    https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/

    ====
    # Python program to read .csv file

    import numpy as np
    import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
    import csv
    ----

    "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:

    with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
    data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file

    ====
    Just read about AVE from Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions


    downloaded and run
    HWiNFO
    and AVE not supported, not greened out
    That's too bad; you may be out of luck. It's possible that someone has compiled the .pyd library in such a way that it does not need the
    instruction set extensions. I'm sorry but I don't know how to find out
    except by trying internet searches - or by downgrading to earlier
    versions of Numpy hoping to find one that works and also can be used by
    the other libraries/programs that need to use it.


    Thank you Thomas for youre kind help.

    You are the real Python PRO, you deserve Nobel Prize in Python.

    I operated an old Dell computer with Windows XP preinstalled
    and upgraded XP to Windows 7 to get some web services to work.

    Unfortunately I failed to find and install driver for video controller since none supported by Dell.

    Visited many driver sites (Intel Driver Assistant included and more)
    without any success.

    So life with an old PC is not easy

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Wed Mar 22 15:48:56 2023
    On 3/22/2023 8:09 AM, a a wrote:
    On Saturday, 18 March 2023 at 20:12:22 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 11:52 AM, a a wrote:
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:32:53 UTC+1, a a wrote:
    On Friday, 17 March 2023 at 16:03:14 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/16/2023 8:07 PM, a a wrote:
    Crash report:

    Problem Caption:
    Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
    Application name: python.exe
    Application version: 3.8.7150.1013
    Application time signature: 5fe0df5a
    Error module name: _multiarray_umath.cp38-win32.pyd
    Version of the module with the error: 0.0.0.0
    Time signature of the module with the error: 63dfe4cf
    Exception code: c000001d
    Exception offset: 000269c9
    Operating system version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
    Regional Settings ID: 1045
    Additional information 1: 0a9e
    Additional information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    Additional information 3: 0a9e
    Additional information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
    This exception has been reported to have many causes, but one
    possibility seems to be that your computer may not support an advanced >>>>> instruction set that the .pyd was compiled for. I found this one
    specifically mentioned on the Internet: Advanced Vector Extensions. If >>>>> that were the case, you would either need to find a different version of >>>>> the module, or upgrade the computer/OS.

    It would be worth trying to downgrade the multiarray version to an
    earlier one and see if that fixes the problem.
    Thank you Thomas
    for your kind reply.

    I am fully aware to be living on an old machine, old OS, Windows 7, 32-bit system
    but I have visited every social chat support forum on the Internet: from Python to Matplotlib, Numpy, Twitter, Github.

    As a newbie I am not aware how to downgrade "the multiarray version to an >>>> earlier one

    I simply tried to test Python code from


    https://www.section.io/engineering-education/reading-and-processing-android-sensor-data-using-python-with-csv-read/

    ====
    # Python program to read .csv file

    import numpy as np
    import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
    import csv
    ----

    "After importing the libraries, we now read the .csv file:

    with open('accl1.csv', 'r') as f:
    data = list(csv.reader(f, delimiter=',')) #reading csv file

    ====
    Just read about AVE from Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions


    downloaded and run
    HWiNFO
    and AVE not supported, not greened out
    That's too bad; you may be out of luck. It's possible that someone has
    compiled the .pyd library in such a way that it does not need the
    instruction set extensions. I'm sorry but I don't know how to find out
    except by trying internet searches - or by downgrading to earlier
    versions of Numpy hoping to find one that works and also can be used by
    the other libraries/programs that need to use it.


    Thank you Thomas for youre kind help.

    You are the real Python PRO, you deserve Nobel Prize in Python.
    :)

    I operated an old Dell computer with Windows XP preinstalled
    and upgraded XP to Windows 7 to get some web services to work.

    Unfortunately I failed to find and install driver for video controller since none supported by Dell.

    Visited many driver sites (Intel Driver Assistant included and more)
    without any success.

    So life with an old PC is not easy

    I reused my 10-year-old Sony VAIO laptop (it had Windows 8, IIRC) to be
    a Linux machine - I got a 1T external solid state drive, set up the BIOS
    to boot from it, and installed Linux Mint. If you are willing to tackle
    Linux, this might be a good way to go. I recommend Mint for newcomers
    to Linux. The computer is much snappier and pleasant to use than it was
    under Windows.

    I mostly use it as a backup computer. I had to to without my main
    computer for a week or so, and the old machine made a fine substitute.
    I even copied all my Thunderbird emails over and used email all the week without losing any messages. Actually, the keyboard on that old computer
    is much better than I've got on my new one, although a few keys are
    getting a little flaky.

    I was able to compile some version of Python on it, though I forget why
    I needed to do that. With this setup, you could install a newer version
    of Python, and Numpy would work - it might get compiled during
    installation, but that's not a problem. It happens automatically.

    If fact, I know that it works because I have Numpy working on the
    computer. Of course, my computer has the instruction set extensions and
    your does not, so who knows if can be compiled for you. But it would
    probably be your best bet.

    Anyway, if you decide to try it out, let us know. And if you hit any
    problems, I might be able to help you. I'm not a Linux expert but I've installed various distributions maybe 20 times or more as virtual
    machines, and twice using an external drive, including running Tomcat
    and MySQL as services. Once you get it installed and working, and
    learned some of its quirks (not too bad, mostly about installing
    programs and configuring the desktop to be more to your liking), it's
    not much different from using Windows. Well, batch files are really different...

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Thu Mar 23 11:48:43 2023
    On 3/18/2023 3:05 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
    downloaded and run HWiNFO and AVE not supported, not greened out

    That's too bad; you may be out of luck. It's possible that someone
    has compiled the .pyd library in such a way that it does not need the
    instruction set extensions. I'm sorry but I don't know how to find
    out except by trying internet searches - or by downgrading to earlier
    versions of Numpy hoping to find one that works and also can be used
    by the other libraries/programs that need to use it.

    Here's a possibility to try -

    https://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/#numpy

    "NumPy: a fundamental package needed for scientific computing with Python.

    Numpy+MKL is linked to the Intel® Math Kernel Library and includes
    required DLLs in the numpy.DLLs directory.

    Numpy+Vanilla is a minimal distribution, which does not include any
    optimized BLAS libray or C runtime DLLs."

    I didn't realize that Christoph Gohlke is still maintaining this site. I haven't needed to use it since PyPi got so much more complete about
    packages with binary code. He has tons of binary packages for all kinds
    of Python libraries. I think this one might work for you because it
    links to the Intel math library. So it may be able to use various or no instruction set extensions. If so, it could work with your old processor.

    Worth trying, anyway.

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  • From Mats Wichmann@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Thu Mar 23 13:38:29 2023
    On 3/23/23 09:48, Thomas Passin wrote:

    I didn't realize that Christoph Gohlke is still maintaining this site.

    Unless the the last-changed stuff stopped working, it's in a static state:

    by Christoph Gohlke. Updated on 26 June 2022 at 07:27 UTC

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to Mats Wichmann on Thu Mar 23 17:14:38 2023
    On 3/23/2023 3:38 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
    On 3/23/23 09:48, Thomas Passin wrote:

    I didn't realize that Christoph Gohlke is still maintaining this site.

    Unless the the last-changed stuff stopped working, it's in a static state:

    by Christoph Gohlke. Updated on 26 June 2022 at 07:27 UTC

    I did see that. The OP needs a version that would work with Windows 7
    and an older version of Python (3.7 or 3.8, IIRC), so things may work out.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Mon Mar 27 07:07:44 2023
    On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 22:15:10 UTC+1, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/23/2023 3:38 PM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
    On 3/23/23 09:48, Thomas Passin wrote:

    I didn't realize that Christoph Gohlke is still maintaining this site.

    Unless the the last-changed stuff stopped working, it's in a static state:

    by Christoph Gohlke. Updated on 26 June 2022 at 07:27 UTC
    I did see that. The OP needs a version that would work with Windows 7
    and an older version of Python (3.7 or 3.8, IIRC), so things may work out.
    Thank you Thomas for your excellent work you did for me.

    Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to me.

    I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat and more (about 50 web pages live opened ;)

    I really love the limited functionality of w3schools to let me live open and run Python examples, especiallly Matplotlib examples.

    Unfortunately chat forum at w3schools is low traffic, showing no interest to add more examples.


    https://www.w3schools.com/python/trypython.asp?filename=demo_matplotlib_subplots3

    https://www.w3schools.com/python/matplotlib_subplot.asp

    thank you Thomas,

    darius

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Mon Mar 27 13:19:01 2023
    On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to me.

    I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat and more (about 50 web pages live opened 😉

    This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
    want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
    possibilities for this.

    1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
    Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
    the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for
    backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
    back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
    structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux
    machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
    The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).

    2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
    export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
    there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
    open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
    bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.

    3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
    export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.

    Good luck.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Mon Mar 27 12:07:54 2023
    On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 19:19:41 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to me.

    I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat and more (about 50 web pages live opened 😉

    This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
    want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
    possibilities for this.

    1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
    Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
    the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
    back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
    structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
    The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).

    2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
    export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
    there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
    open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.

    3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
    export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.

    Good luck.

    a nice solution comes from

    How to Copy URLs of All Open Tabs in Firefox

    https://www.howtogeek.com/723921/how-to-copy-urls-of-all-open-tabs-in-firefox/

    right clicking opened tab, all opened tabs can be selected
    moving via menu to bookmarks/ booksmarks management
    url bookmarks can be right-mouse clicked to copy urls
    finally, urls can be pasted into Notepad++
    and saved as a file
    unfortunately, saving as .html file
    fails to generate html file with clickable web links

    Notepad++ keeps urls active, selectable but not ready to be opened in Firefox

    so I need to learn how to make Notepad++ or another editor to save urls as
    html file

    BTW

    Selecting all opened tabs I get 1,000+ active urls (opened web pages ), so something must be wrong

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Mon Mar 27 16:02:16 2023
    On 3/27/2023 3:07 PM, a a wrote:
    On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 19:19:41 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to me. >>>
    I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat and more (about 50 web pages live opened 😉

    This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
    want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
    possibilities for this.

    1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
    Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
    the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for
    backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
    back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
    structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux
    machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
    The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).

    2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
    export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
    there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
    open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
    bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.

    3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
    export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.

    Good luck.

    a nice solution comes from

    How to Copy URLs of All Open Tabs in Firefox

    https://www.howtogeek.com/723921/how-to-copy-urls-of-all-open-tabs-in-firefox/

    right clicking opened tab, all opened tabs can be selected
    moving via menu to bookmarks/ booksmarks management
    url bookmarks can be right-mouse clicked to copy urls
    finally, urls can be pasted into Notepad++
    and saved as a file
    unfortunately, saving as .html file
    fails to generate html file with clickable web links


    Don't go pasting urls into a text file one by one. Instead, do my #2
    above. That will import all the bookmarks, including the tabs you saved
    as bookmarks. Then import the exported bookmark file into the new
    browser. There's no reason to fuss around trying to get text copies of
    urls to open.

    For that matter, the exported bookmarks file is an HTML file and can be
    opened directly in a browser, with clickable links.

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Mon Mar 27 20:07:06 2023
    On 3/27/2023 4:02 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 3:07 PM, a a wrote:
    On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 19:19:41 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to
    me.

    I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in
    Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat
    and more (about 50 web pages live opened 😉

    This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
    want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
    possibilities for this.

    1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
    Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include
    the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for
    backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
    back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
    structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux
    machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there.
    The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).

    2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
    export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
    there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
    open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
    bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.

    3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
    export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.

    Good luck.

    a nice solution comes from

    How to Copy URLs of All Open Tabs in Firefox

    https://www.howtogeek.com/723921/how-to-copy-urls-of-all-open-tabs-in-firefox/

    right clicking opened tab, all opened tabs can be selected
    moving via menu to bookmarks/ booksmarks management
    url bookmarks can be right-mouse clicked to copy urls
    finally, urls can be pasted into Notepad++
    and saved as a file
    unfortunately, saving as .html file
    fails to generate html file with clickable web links


    Don't go pasting urls into a text file one by one.  Instead, do my #2
    above. That will import all the bookmarks, including the tabs you saved
    as bookmarks.  Then import the exported bookmark file into the new browser.  There's no reason to fuss around trying to get text copies of
    urls to open.

    For that matter, the exported bookmarks file is an HTML file and can be opened directly in a browser, with clickable links.

    All right, I think I've got the easiest way to go. You *can* bookmark
    all the tabs at once - see below. Then, as I already proposed, export
    the bookmarks and import them into Firefox on the new computer.

    To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All
    Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
    select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
    lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
    folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
    may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
    one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Mon Mar 27 17:37:15 2023
    On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 02:07:43 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 4:02 PM, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 3:07 PM, a a wrote:
    On Monday, 27 March 2023 at 19:19:41 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 10:07 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I know, I need to switch to Windows 10 run on another PC next to >>>> me.

    I need to learn how to copy and move every web page opened in
    Firefox as a reference to social media, web sites for Python, chat
    and more (about 50 web pages live opened 😉

    This sounds like you mean when you get a new Windows 10 PC, you will
    want to move your open tabs to the new machine. I see several
    possibilities for this.

    1. Copy your Firefox profile folder to the new computer, and tell
    Firefox to use it as the default profile. I *think* this will include >>> the open tabs, but I haven't tried it. Saving that folder is useful for >>> backup anyway. (If you use Thunderbird for email, you really *must*
    back up its profile folder because all your email with its folder
    structure is there. BTW, you can even copy the profile over to a Linux >>> machine that has Thunderbird, and presto, all your email will be there. >>> The Firefox profile would probably transfer just as well).

    2. Bookmark all your open tabs under a new heading "open tabs", then
    export the bookmarks. In the new machine, import them into Firefox
    there. They won't open in tabs, but it will be easy to find them and
    open them when you want to. You probably will want to copy over your
    bookmarks anyway, so this adds little effort.

    3. There may be a specific record of open tabs that you can copy or
    export. I don't know about this but an internet search should help.

    Good luck.

    a nice solution comes from

    How to Copy URLs of All Open Tabs in Firefox

    https://www.howtogeek.com/723921/how-to-copy-urls-of-all-open-tabs-in-firefox/

    right clicking opened tab, all opened tabs can be selected
    moving via menu to bookmarks/ booksmarks management
    url bookmarks can be right-mouse clicked to copy urls
    finally, urls can be pasted into Notepad++
    and saved as a file
    unfortunately, saving as .html file
    fails to generate html file with clickable web links


    Don't go pasting urls into a text file one by one. Instead, do my #2 above. That will import all the bookmarks, including the tabs you saved
    as bookmarks. Then import the exported bookmark file into the new browser. There's no reason to fuss around trying to get text copies of urls to open.

    For that matter, the exported bookmarks file is an HTML file and can be opened directly in a browser, with clickable links.
    All right, I think I've got the easiest way to go. You *can* bookmark
    all the tabs at once - see below. Then, as I already proposed, export
    the bookmarks and import them into Firefox on the new computer.

    To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
    select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
    lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
    folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
    may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
    one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".

    I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
    and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
    I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs

    and
    https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php

    does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links

    I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html

    and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs

    since icon and page name are lost
    I would prefer another solution already ofered by Firex to generate web page of recently visited web pages,
    unfortunately coming with limits on the number of visited
    web pages,
    so I contacted Firefox, Notepad++ for help

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Tue Mar 28 00:41:40 2023
    On 3/27/2023 8:37 PM, a a wrote:
    I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
    and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
    I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs

    and
    https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php

    does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links

    I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html

    and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs
    You can get that directly in Notepad++. Load Firefox's HTML format
    bookmark file into Notepad++. View it in a browser using the "View/View
    Current File In" menu item. True, you could have opened it directly in
    the browser, but now you can edit the file and cut out the parts you
    don't need, and check to make sure you get what you intended. The
    structure of the HTML is very regular.

    If you have saved your set of opened links under a distinctive heading
    near the top of the collection - as I suggested earlier - it should be
    easy to find the start and end points of their HTML elements, and delete
    all the ones you don't want. You could import this shortened bookmark
    file into another installation of Firefox and this would add them to the bookmarks in the other browser, all grouped by your custom heading.

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Tue Mar 28 00:27:55 2023
    On 3/27/2023 8:37 PM, a a wrote:
    To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All
    Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
    select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
    lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
    folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
    may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
    one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".
    I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
    and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
    I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs

    and
    https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php

    does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links

    I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html

    and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs

    since icon and page name are lost

    I don't understand this. You don't really have 1000 tabs open at the
    same time, do you? If you select all the open tabs - I think you wrote
    that you only have 50 - then you can save them as bookmarks under a
    folder name you choose. That folder will contain the 50 open links. I
    tried it this evening, so I know that's how it works. (It happens that
    I'm working on my own bookmark manager just now, so I've been messing
    around with importing, exporting, and reading the bookmark files).

    Then you can export them and import the same bookmark file into another
    browser on another computer. Whenever you want to reopen some of those
    tabs, you would navigate to that part of the bookmarks and open the tabs
    you want.

    Maybe you have something else in mind? Do you want to send the links of
    the opened tab set to someone else, but not all your bookmarks? Please
    explain more carefully what you want to do.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Tue Mar 28 05:47:35 2023
    On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:33:44 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 8:37 PM, a a wrote:
    To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All >> Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
    select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
    lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
    folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
    may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
    one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".
    I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
    and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
    I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs

    and
    https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php

    does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links

    I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html

    and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs

    since icon and page name are lost
    I don't understand this. You don't really have 1000 tabs open at the
    same time, do you? If you select all the open tabs - I think you wrote
    that you only have 50 - then you can save them as bookmarks under a
    folder name you choose. That folder will contain the 50 open links. I
    tried it this evening, so I know that's how it works. (It happens that
    I'm working on my own bookmark manager just now, so I've been messing
    around with importing, exporting, and reading the bookmark files).

    Then you can export them and import the same bookmark file into another browser on another computer. Whenever you want to reopen some of those
    tabs, you would navigate to that part of the bookmarks and open the tabs
    you want.

    Maybe you have something else in mind? Do you want to send the links of
    the opened tab set to someone else, but not all your bookmarks? Please explain more carefully what you want to do.

    Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
    a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.

    When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
    so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included ;)

    Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
    I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.

    So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs

    But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future ;)

    - I just build personal search engine resembling targets set by MyLifeBits Project by Microsoft in the past.

    darius

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Tue Mar 28 05:19:20 2023
    On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 06:33:44 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/27/2023 8:37 PM, a a wrote:
    To save the tabs, right click any one of them and select the "Select All >> Tabs" item. They will all highlight. Right click on one of them and
    select the "Bookmark Tabs" item. A dialog box will open with an entry
    lone for the Name to use (like "Tabset1") and a location - a bookmark
    folder - for them to go into. CAREFUL - if you just click "Save", you
    may not be able to find them. Use the dropdown arrow to save them in
    one of the top level folders, like "Bookmarks Toolbars".
    I can select All Opened Tabs (as from the given link)
    and get 1,000+ Opened Tabs ( I am afraid, this is s number of all saved bookmarks in the past)
    I go to menu, Bookmarks, Manage Boomarks and copy Tabs

    and
    https://www.textfixer.com/html/convert-url-to-html-link.php

    does the job, converting text urls into clickable web links

    I copy the result and past into Notepad++ to save file as html

    and what I get is web page of clickable Opened Tabs

    since icon and page name are lost
    I don't understand this. You don't really have 1000 tabs open at the
    same time, do you? If you select all the open tabs - I think you wrote
    that you only have 50 - then you can save them as bookmarks under a
    folder name you choose. That folder will contain the 50 open links. I
    tried it this evening, so I know that's how it works. (It happens that
    I'm working on my own bookmark manager just now, so I've been messing
    around with importing, exporting, and reading the bookmark files).

    Then you can export them and import the same bookmark file into another browser on another computer. Whenever you want to reopen some of those
    tabs, you would navigate to that part of the bookmarks and open the tabs
    you want.

    Maybe you have something else in mind? Do you want to send the links of
    the opened tab set to someone else, but not all your bookmarks? Please explain more carefully what you want to do.

    Ok, I was not aware of the real number of the opened Tabs in Firefox, since I can jump from left to right and vice versa in real time, so the number given by me: 50 opened Tabs was my general estimate, but I can read the real number of opened Tabs from
    the same menu (line below) to be 1,000+

    What I copy and paste into Notepad++ is 1,000+ -line file.
    It's hard to verify if the above number is made of opened Tabs only or bookmarks are included,
    since I exactly use and keep multi Tabs opened as my live bookmarks and cache memory, when I work on my projects (watching, counting sunspots, Earthquakes prediction in Turkey, ... )

    I would like to fund the development of such smart Tabs Manager to replace boomarks, to let me group Tabs belonging to different projects.

    It doesn't look to be complicated, if supported by the Firefox team.

    Firefox 97. comes with alike functionality (when I open a new Tab) but limited to 4 rows of web-page icons + names and 4 rows called: Recent activity

    All I need is to replace opened Tabs by history of the Recent activity - default Firefox page, when I open a new Tab

    It's hard to imagine, I can have 1,000+ Tabs live opened in Firefox
    but I really need such feature, called in the past as: MyLifeBits by MS

    So I have to ask Firefox team today to lift 4 rows limit on web links and 4 rows limit on the recent activity, coming with
    New Tab opened


    When I am busy on a project I can open 100+ web pages via search engine in one day and would prefer
    100+ opened Tabs to be saved in html format for the records as a reference.

    Hope to get some support from Firefox team via Twitter.

    Ok, smart bookmarks manager can offer the above functionality right now, so I go to search engine to get one.

    darius

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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Tue Mar 28 12:04:32 2023
    On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
    a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.

    When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
    so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included 😉

    Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
    I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.

    So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs

    But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future 😉

    I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it continues.

    The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do
    not provide for showing them.

    I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through
    1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory
    usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
    history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Tue Mar 28 10:50:50 2023
    On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 18:12:40 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
    a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.

    When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
    so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included 😉

    Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
    I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.

    So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs

    But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future 😉

    I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it continues.

    The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do
    not provide for showing them.

    I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through
    1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
    history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!


    I am a plain guy, so if Firefox counted 1,000+ opened Tabs, I can be surprised, but have no idea how to check that number.

    You are exactly right, icon URI and icon data come with saved opened Tabs,
    a single example below.

    So I am going to ask Firefox team to offer
    export to html, modified to have :
    icon, name of web page, url address
    to appear in a single row (feature already supported by Firefox, when you open new Tab
    and click: enter URL or search string - input field,
    you get such list
    List is limited in size for the reasons unknown to me, but feature works fine.

    --
    So would prefer a horizontal list of opened Tabs
    by htmlized, vertical list of the same opened Tabs,
    featuring:
    icon, name of web-site, URL address

    Thank you for your excellent support

    darius


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  • From Thomas Passin@21:1/5 to a a on Tue Mar 28 15:44:35 2023
    On 3/28/2023 1:50 PM, a a wrote:
    On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 18:12:40 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
    a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.

    When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
    so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included 😉

    Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
    I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.

    So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs

    But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future 😉

    I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it
    continues.

    The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do
    not provide for showing them.

    I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through
    1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory
    usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
    history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!


    I am a plain guy, so if Firefox counted 1,000+ opened Tabs, I can be surprised, but have no idea how to check that number.

    You are exactly right, icon URI and icon data come with saved opened Tabs,
    a single example below.

    So I am going to ask Firefox team to offer
    export to html, modified to have :
    icon, name of web page, url address
    to appear in a single row (feature already supported by Firefox, when you open new Tab
    and click: enter URL or search string - input field,
    you get such list
    List is limited in size for the reasons unknown to me, but feature works fine.

    You should be aware that the HTML format for bookmarks is a standard
    developed back in the day by Netscape. It goes back to the early 1990s,
    I think. The FF folks will not be modifying it, since all browsers know
    how to generate it and consume it, and who knows how many software
    packages consume it. No one can afford to have a change, even one
    that's supposed to be harmless, inadvertently break software that's
    worked for years.

    They are going to need a lot of persuading.

    Maybe there's something else they would be willing and able to do. But
    you can expect that any proposed new feature will probably need to have
    some strong support. Raymond Chen at Microsoft has written how each new feature proposal starts off with -100 points. Only if the advantages
    get the score up above zero can the feature have any chance of getting
    adopted - and then it has to compete with other potential features that
    have their own scores.


    --
    So would prefer a horizontal list of opened Tabs
    by htmlized, vertical list of the same opened Tabs,
    featuring:
    icon, name of web-site, URL address

    Thank you for your excellent support

    You're welcome.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to Thomas Passin on Tue Mar 28 15:50:43 2023
    On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 00:07:22 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 1:50 PM, a a wrote:
    On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 18:12:40 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get >>> a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.

    When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
    so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included 😉

    Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
    I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.

    So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs

    But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future 😉

    I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it
    continues.

    The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do
    not provide for showing them.

    I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through
    1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory >> usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
    history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!


    I am a plain guy, so if Firefox counted 1,000+ opened Tabs, I can be surprised, but have no idea how to check that number.

    You are exactly right, icon URI and icon data come with saved opened Tabs, a single example below.

    So I am going to ask Firefox team to offer
    export to html, modified to have :
    icon, name of web page, url address
    to appear in a single row (feature already supported by Firefox, when you open new Tab
    and click: enter URL or search string - input field,
    you get such list
    List is limited in size for the reasons unknown to me, but feature works fine.
    You should be aware that the HTML format for bookmarks is a standard developed back in the day by Netscape. It goes back to the early 1990s,
    I think. The FF folks will not be modifying it, since all browsers know
    how to generate it and consume it, and who knows how many software
    packages consume it. No one can afford to have a change, even one
    that's supposed to be harmless, inadvertently break software that's
    worked for years.

    They are going to need a lot of persuading.

    Maybe there's something else they would be willing and able to do. But
    you can expect that any proposed new feature will probably need to have
    some strong support. Raymond Chen at Microsoft has written how each new feature proposal starts off with -100 points. Only if the advantages
    get the score up above zero can the feature have any chance of getting adopted - and then it has to compete with other potential features that
    have their own scores.
    --
    So would prefer a horizontal list of opened Tabs
    by htmlized, vertical list of the same opened Tabs,
    featuring:
    icon, name of web-site, URL address

    Thank you for your excellent support
    You're welcome.
    I exactly recall early days of Netscape since I contacted developers of Netscape, asking for new features since my friend from
    MIT, UoT developed another GUI version of web browser and we worked hard at MediaMOO, supporting live chat.
    Old good days

    There is another work flow, supporting saving urls of opened Tabs to html file https://winaero.com/how-to-copy-urls-of-opened-tabs-in-firefox-without-extensions/

    I must give up since no response from Firefox Support via Twitter

    According to latest media news from Firefox, I am the only man to keep 1,000+ Tabs opened in Firefox ;)

    I tried to save urls of opened Tabs as bookmarks, but when I select this option Firefox crashes.

    I am happy with my 1,000+ opened Tabs (supported by Firefox)
    I can move Tabs with quick mouse clicks from left to right and vice versa

    When I open a new Tab and click input field
    I get multi-row menu to select some Tabs, to switch to some cards
    (have no idea what makes some entries to stay firmly as "switch to card"
    and others make selected url to open in new tab)
    List of urls to select is short vs. 1,000+ opened Tabs.

    Spent a month deliberating on how to move Tabs from left to right quick way
    and quick mouse click to ">" does the trick, moving more Tabs at once.

    Life is great with you and Firefox

    thank you

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to a a on Tue Mar 28 16:15:10 2023
    On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 00:50:54 UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 00:07:22 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 1:50 PM, a a wrote:
    On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 18:12:40 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get >>> a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.

    When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
    so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included 😉

    Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
    I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.

    So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs

    But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future 😉

    I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it >> continues.

    The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do >> not provide for showing them.

    I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through
    1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory
    usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
    history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!


    I am a plain guy, so if Firefox counted 1,000+ opened Tabs, I can be surprised, but have no idea how to check that number.

    You are exactly right, icon URI and icon data come with saved opened Tabs,
    a single example below.

    So I am going to ask Firefox team to offer
    export to html, modified to have :
    icon, name of web page, url address
    to appear in a single row (feature already supported by Firefox, when you open new Tab
    and click: enter URL or search string - input field,
    you get such list
    List is limited in size for the reasons unknown to me, but feature works fine.
    You should be aware that the HTML format for bookmarks is a standard developed back in the day by Netscape. It goes back to the early 1990s,
    I think. The FF folks will not be modifying it, since all browsers know how to generate it and consume it, and who knows how many software packages consume it. No one can afford to have a change, even one
    that's supposed to be harmless, inadvertently break software that's
    worked for years.

    They are going to need a lot of persuading.

    Maybe there's something else they would be willing and able to do. But
    you can expect that any proposed new feature will probably need to have some strong support. Raymond Chen at Microsoft has written how each new feature proposal starts off with -100 points. Only if the advantages
    get the score up above zero can the feature have any chance of getting adopted - and then it has to compete with other potential features that have their own scores.
    --
    So would prefer a horizontal list of opened Tabs
    by htmlized, vertical list of the same opened Tabs,
    featuring:
    icon, name of web-site, URL address

    Thank you for your excellent support
    You're welcome.
    I exactly recall early days of Netscape since I contacted developers of Netscape, asking for new features since my friend from
    MIT, UoT developed another GUI version of web browser and we worked hard at MediaMOO, supporting live chat.
    Old good days

    There is another work flow, supporting saving urls of opened Tabs to html file
    https://winaero.com/how-to-copy-urls-of-opened-tabs-in-firefox-without-extensions/

    I must give up since no response from Firefox Support via Twitter

    According to latest media news from Firefox, I am the only man to keep 1,000+ Tabs opened in Firefox ;)

    I tried to save urls of opened Tabs as bookmarks, but when I select this option Firefox crashes.

    I am happy with my 1,000+ opened Tabs (supported by Firefox)
    I can move Tabs with quick mouse clicks from left to right and vice versa

    When I open a new Tab and click input field
    I get multi-row menu to select some Tabs, to switch to some cards
    (have no idea what makes some entries to stay firmly as "switch to card"
    and others make selected url to open in new tab)
    List of urls to select is short vs. 1,000+ opened Tabs.

    Spent a month deliberating on how to move Tabs from left to right quick way and quick mouse click to ">" does the trick, moving more Tabs at once.

    Life is great with you and Firefox

    thank you


    I am not the winner ;(

    Challenge looks to be 15 years old
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    How Many Tabs Can You Have Open in Firefox?
    Posted on February 29, 2008 by Steve Mullen — 28 Comments

    https://skmullen.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/how-many-tabs-can-you-have-open-in-firefox/

    Most opened up without a crash was 2417

    ok i have opened 3000 tabs in one time in firefox\

    I am just about to open 2000 tabs simultaneously…

    i was able to open 3000 up tab in my firefox.\

    I have over 1000 on a fast computer. going to see how many i can get. hopefully about 5000

    I’m reading this page at my 8874th opened tab. just became a question! How Many!

    so tired… Hibernating system for tomorrow!
    wish me luck! Going to hit 100,000.

    . Fine with 2500+ tabs but crashes after 2800+ tabs.

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  • From a a@21:1/5 to a a on Wed Mar 29 12:14:19 2023
    On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 01:15:23 UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 00:50:54 UTC+2, a a wrote:
    On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 00:07:22 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 1:50 PM, a a wrote:
    On Tuesday, 28 March 2023 at 18:12:40 UTC+2, Thomas Passin wrote:
    On 3/28/2023 8:47 AM, a a wrote:
    Ok, I can export bookmarks to html file and open it in Firefox to get
    a long list of clickable urls but icon of the bookmarked web page is missing.

    When I open Bookmarks as right a side-bar I can view and identify an individual Boomarks by icon,
    so I would like Firefox Library to export Bookmarks to html file, icons included 😉

    Since accessing opened Tabs is my default use of history in Firefox and has worked fine for years
    I paid no special interest to bookmark opened Tabs and assign labels to individual bookmark.

    So, generally speaking, I am happy with 1,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox , not being sure if this number is for real or refers to every bookmark from the history + opened Tabs

    But definitely I need a smarter solution and approach to manage 10,000+ opened Tabs in Firefox in a future 😉

    I think you had better start using another name for this thread, if it
    continues.

    The HTML export file will contain the icons, but the HTML elements do >> not provide for showing them.

    I can't imagine how you can find anything among nor navigate through >> 1000 open tabs, let alone 10,000 in the future. I would think the memory
    usage would be impossibly high. So I hope you are mostly using the
    history and do not really have that many tabs open at once!


    I am a plain guy, so if Firefox counted 1,000+ opened Tabs, I can be surprised, but have no idea how to check that number.

    You are exactly right, icon URI and icon data come with saved opened Tabs,
    a single example below.

    So I am going to ask Firefox team to offer
    export to html, modified to have :
    icon, name of web page, url address
    to appear in a single row (feature already supported by Firefox, when you open new Tab
    and click: enter URL or search string - input field,
    you get such list
    List is limited in size for the reasons unknown to me, but feature works fine.
    You should be aware that the HTML format for bookmarks is a standard developed back in the day by Netscape. It goes back to the early 1990s, I think. The FF folks will not be modifying it, since all browsers know how to generate it and consume it, and who knows how many software packages consume it. No one can afford to have a change, even one
    that's supposed to be harmless, inadvertently break software that's worked for years.

    They are going to need a lot of persuading.

    Maybe there's something else they would be willing and able to do. But you can expect that any proposed new feature will probably need to have some strong support. Raymond Chen at Microsoft has written how each new feature proposal starts off with -100 points. Only if the advantages
    get the score up above zero can the feature have any chance of getting adopted - and then it has to compete with other potential features that have their own scores.
    --
    So would prefer a horizontal list of opened Tabs
    by htmlized, vertical list of the same opened Tabs,
    featuring:
    icon, name of web-site, URL address

    Thank you for your excellent support
    You're welcome.
    I exactly recall early days of Netscape since I contacted developers of Netscape, asking for new features since my friend from
    MIT, UoT developed another GUI version of web browser and we worked hard at MediaMOO, supporting live chat.
    Old good days

    There is another work flow, supporting saving urls of opened Tabs to html file
    https://winaero.com/how-to-copy-urls-of-opened-tabs-in-firefox-without-extensions/

    I must give up since no response from Firefox Support via Twitter

    According to latest media news from Firefox, I am the only man to keep 1,000+ Tabs opened in Firefox ;)

    I tried to save urls of opened Tabs as bookmarks, but when I select this option Firefox crashes.

    I am happy with my 1,000+ opened Tabs (supported by Firefox)
    I can move Tabs with quick mouse clicks from left to right and vice versa

    When I open a new Tab and click input field
    I get multi-row menu to select some Tabs, to switch to some cards
    (have no idea what makes some entries to stay firmly as "switch to card" and others make selected url to open in new tab)
    List of urls to select is short vs. 1,000+ opened Tabs.

    Spent a month deliberating on how to move Tabs from left to right quick way
    and quick mouse click to ">" does the trick, moving more Tabs at once.

    Life is great with you and Firefox

    thank you
    I am not the winner ;(

    Challenge looks to be 15 years old
    -----
    How Many Tabs Can You Have Open in Firefox?
    Posted on February 29, 2008 by Steve Mullen — 28 Comments

    https://skmullen.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/how-many-tabs-can-you-have-open-in-firefox/

    Most opened up without a crash was 2417

    ok i have opened 3000 tabs in one time in firefox\

    I am just about to open 2000 tabs simultaneously…

    i was able to open 3000 up tab in my firefox.\

    I have over 1000 on a fast computer. going to see how many i can get. hopefully about 5000

    I’m reading this page at my 8874th opened tab. just became a question! How Many!

    so tired… Hibernating system for tomorrow!
    wish me luck! Going to hit 100,000.

    . Fine with 2500+ tabs but crashes after 2800+ tabs.


    And now back to Numpy and Matplotlib.

    Interested to build 3D knowledge representation tools

    One by Giuseppe is an excellent example how underground earthquakes can be 3D visualized.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1633477532526817281

    Knowledge, open Tabs can be represented by bubbles/ balls, timeline represents time stamped Tabs

    Balls can be represented by respective url icons.
    Size, hue can represent personal interest in a specific Tab, number of visits.

    My dream is to make such 3D knowledge model clickable
    to let me switch to a respective open Tab ith one mouse hover on/ click

    Can 3D objects be overlayed with htmlized objects, graphics, urls to make it clickable ?

    HTML is flat by default
    Can we integrate urls into 3D objects visualized by Matplotlib ?

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=3D+html&form=QBLH&sp=-1&ghc=1&lq=0&pq=3d+h&sc=10-4&qs=n&sk=&cvid=524CCA8EC65B456D80032EB4A12168ED&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

    3D HTML is not what I was looking for.

    HTML page is flat by default.
    My idea is to make 3D space clickable with urls defined and assigned to some spaces, balls in 3D graphics by Giuseppe
    as above

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1633477532526817281

    Can we make balls in the abopve Matplotlib 3D graphics urled or url clickable ?

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