• EuroForth 2023

    From Stephen Pelc@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 22 09:03:01 2023
    EuroForth 2023 is in real life in Rome this year; one of the great cities of the world.

    Standards - September 13-15 2023
    EuroForth - September 15-17 2023

    <font color="#000000">https://euro.theforth.net/</font>
    <font color="#000000">lots of pictures</font>

    --
    Stephen Pelc, stephen@vfxforth.com
    MicroProcessor Engineering, Ltd. - More Real, Less Time
    133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
    tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612,
    +34 649 662 974
    http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

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  • From NN@21:1/5 to Stephen Pelc on Thu Jun 22 04:36:27 2023
    On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 10:03:04 UTC+1, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    EuroForth 2023 is in real life in Rome this year; one of the great cities of the world.

    Standards - September 13-15 2023
    EuroForth - September 15-17 2023

    <font color="#000000">https://euro.theforth.net/</font>
    <font color="#000000">lots of pictures</font>

    --
    Stephen Pelc, ste...@vfxforth.com
    MicroProcessor Engineering, Ltd. - More Real, Less Time
    133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
    tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612,
    +34 649 662 974
    http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

    FYI,

    There seems to be a problem with http://www.mpeforth.com
    Its redirecting to http://www.mpeforth.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

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  • From Stephen Pelc@21:1/5 to november.nihal@gmail.com on Thu Jun 22 13:10:53 2023
    On 22 Jun 2023 at 13:36:27 CEST, "NN" <november.nihal@gmail.com> wrote:
    There seems to be a problem with http://www.mpeforth.com
    Its redirecting to http://www.mpeforth.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

    Thanks for the note. A relevant elf has gone on holiday, but has been
    notified.

    Stephen
    --
    Stephen Pelc, stephen@vfxforth.com
    MicroProcessor Engineering, Ltd. - More Real, Less Time
    133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
    tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612,
    +34 649 662 974
    http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

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  • From Ron AARON@21:1/5 to Stephen Pelc on Thu Jun 22 18:57:40 2023
    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.

    On 22/06/2023 12:03, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    EuroForth 2023 is in real life in Rome this year; one of the great cities of the world.

    Standards - September 13-15 2023
    EuroForth - September 15-17 2023

    <font color="#000000">https://euro.theforth.net/</font>
    <font color="#000000">lots of pictures</font>


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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Ron AARON on Sat Jun 24 23:33:02 2023
    On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 16:57:45 UTC+1, Ron AARON wrote:
    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.
    On 22/06/2023 12:03, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    EuroForth 2023 is in real life in Rome this year; one of the great cities of
    the world.

    Standards - September 13-15 2023
    EuroForth - September 15-17 2023

    <font color="#000000">https://euro.theforth.net/</font>
    <font color="#000000">lots of pictures</font>


    This is unfortunate Ron.

    Would it not be a good option for next Euroforth,
    to first announce the planned date for Euroforth,
    then ask potential participants if it clashes somehow,
    and then take a decision about the date?

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  • From none) (albert@21:1/5 to jpitaske@gmail.com on Sun Jun 25 12:43:14 2023
    In article <0641b606-531d-4a9e-b033-1931e6582ab6n@googlegroups.com>,
    Jurgen Pitaske <jpitaske@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 16:57:45 UTC+1, Ron AARON wrote:
    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.
    On 22/06/2023 12:03, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    EuroForth 2023 is in real life in Rome this year; one
    of the great cities of
    the world.

    Standards - September 13-15 2023
    EuroForth - September 15-17 2023

    <font color="#000000">https://euro.theforth.net/</font>
    <font color="#000000">lots of pictures</font>


    This is unfortunate Ron.

    Would it not be a good option for next Euroforth,
    to first announce the planned date for Euroforth,
    then ask potential participants if it clashes somehow,
    and then take a decision about the date?

    Given that the number of potential participant is limited,
    this could be feasible. In general that is not a good idea
    to plan conferences.
    "On the september 14 we celebrate the 40 anniversary
    of our wedding"
    In the nineties each date of the next Dutch Forth meetings were
    fiercely negotiated. I introduced the convention that it is
    the second Saturday for each even month. Never looked back.

    Groetjes Albert
    --
    Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
    You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the
    hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in
    the air. First gain is a cat spinning. - the Wise from Antrim -

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to none albert on Sun Jun 25 04:44:34 2023
    On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 11:43:18 UTC+1, none albert wrote:
    In article <0641b606-531d-4a9e...@googlegroups.com>,
    Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 16:57:45 UTC+1, Ron AARON wrote:
    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.
    On 22/06/2023 12:03, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    EuroForth 2023 is in real life in Rome this year; one
    of the great cities of
    the world.

    Standards - September 13-15 2023
    EuroForth - September 15-17 2023

    <font color="#000000">https://euro.theforth.net/</font>
    <font color="#000000">lots of pictures</font>


    This is unfortunate Ron.

    Would it not be a good option for next Euroforth,
    to first announce the planned date for Euroforth,
    then ask potential participants if it clashes somehow,
    and then take a decision about the date?
    Given that the number of potential participant is limited,
    this could be feasible. In general that is not a good idea
    to plan conferences.
    "On the september 14 we celebrate the 40 anniversary
    of our wedding"
    In the nineties each date of the next Dutch Forth meetings were
    fiercely negotiated. I introduced the convention that it is
    the second Saturday for each even month. Never looked back.

    Groetjes Albert
    --
    Don't praise the day before the evening. One swallow doesn't make spring.
    You must not say "hey" before you have crossed the bridge. Don't sell the hide of the bear until you shot it. Better one bird in the hand than ten in the air. First gain is a cat spinning. - the Wise from Antrim -

    If such a rigid planning excludes one of the 3 commercial Forth suppliers,
    it might be a good idea to be more flexible
    to get the additional support, information and feedback from the 3rd Forth supplier.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Sun Jun 25 22:05:07 2023
    On 25/06/2023 9:44 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 11:43:18 UTC+1, none albert wrote:
    In article <0641b606-531d-4a9e...@googlegroups.com>,
    Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 16:57:45 UTC+1, Ron AARON wrote:
    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.
    On 22/06/2023 12:03, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    EuroForth 2023 is in real life in Rome this year; one
    of the great cities of
    the world.

    Standards - September 13-15 2023
    EuroForth - September 15-17 2023

    <font color="#000000">https://euro.theforth.net/</font>
    <font color="#000000">lots of pictures</font>


    This is unfortunate Ron.

    Would it not be a good option for next Euroforth,
    to first announce the planned date for Euroforth,
    then ask potential participants if it clashes somehow,
    and then take a decision about the date?
    Given that the number of potential participant is limited,
    this could be feasible. In general that is not a good idea
    to plan conferences.
    "On the september 14 we celebrate the 40 anniversary
    of our wedding"
    In the nineties each date of the next Dutch Forth meetings were
    fiercely negotiated. I introduced the convention that it is
    the second Saturday for each even month. Never looked back.

    Groetjes Albert

    If such a rigid planning excludes one of the 3 commercial Forth suppliers,
    it might be a good idea to be more flexible
    to get the additional support, information and feedback from the 3rd Forth supplier.

    Surprising would be if Euroforth didn't know who its VIPs were and
    hadn't consulted them as to dates beforehand. Those not so forewarned
    can work it out from there :)

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to dxforth on Sun Jun 25 07:13:48 2023
    On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 13:05:10 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    On 25/06/2023 9:44 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 11:43:18 UTC+1, none albert wrote:
    In article <0641b606-531d-4a9e...@googlegroups.com>,
    Jurgen Pitaske <jpit...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, 22 June 2023 at 16:57:45 UTC+1, Ron AARON wrote:
    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.
    On 22/06/2023 12:03, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    EuroForth 2023 is in real life in Rome this year; one
    of the great cities of
    the world.

    Standards - September 13-15 2023
    EuroForth - September 15-17 2023

    <font color="#000000">https://euro.theforth.net/</font>
    <font color="#000000">lots of pictures</font>


    This is unfortunate Ron.

    Would it not be a good option for next Euroforth,
    to first announce the planned date for Euroforth,
    then ask potential participants if it clashes somehow,
    and then take a decision about the date?
    Given that the number of potential participant is limited,
    this could be feasible. In general that is not a good idea
    to plan conferences.
    "On the september 14 we celebrate the 40 anniversary
    of our wedding"
    In the nineties each date of the next Dutch Forth meetings were
    fiercely negotiated. I introduced the convention that it is
    the second Saturday for each even month. Never looked back.

    Groetjes Albert

    If such a rigid planning excludes one of the 3 commercial Forth suppliers, it might be a good idea to be more flexible
    to get the additional support, information and feedback from the 3rd Forth supplier.
    Surprising would be if Euroforth didn't know who its VIPs were and
    hadn't consulted them as to dates beforehand. Those not so forewarned
    can work it out from there :)

    So you are implying that
    either Euroforth has set the date intentionally, so Ron cannot come?
    Or that Ron made sure he cannot come?

    Either option does not sound realistic to me.
    I put it to oversight and unintentional.

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  • From Stephen Pelc@21:1/5 to Ron AARON on Sun Jun 25 20:40:33 2023
    On 22 Jun 2023 at 17:57:40 CEST, "Ron AARON" <clf@8th-dev.com> wrote:

    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.

    EuroForth is usually in September because that is in the period between
    schools restarting after summer holidays and the universities restarting. In turn, we get cheaper hotels.

    With four Jewish new years in a four week period, you will find yourself blocked every other year. In 2024, Rosh Hashanah is on October 2-4, so
    you will probably be safe.

    Stephen
    --
    Stephen Pelc, stephen@vfxforth.com
    MicroProcessor Engineering, Ltd. - More Real, Less Time
    133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
    tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612,
    +34 649 662 974
    http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Ron AARON on Mon Jun 26 14:34:58 2023
    On 26/06/2023 2:16 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
    On 25/06/2023 23:40, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    On 22 Jun 2023 at 17:57:40 CEST, "Ron AARON" <clf@8th-dev.com> wrote:

    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.

    EuroForth is usually in September because that is in the period between
    schools restarting after summer holidays and the universities restarting. In >> turn, we get cheaper hotels.

    With four Jewish new years in a four week period, you will find yourself
    blocked every other year. In 2024, Rosh Hashanah is on October 2-4, so
    you will probably be safe.

    Four holidays, not new years; still, the point is valid.

    I understand, I was simply pointing out a scheduling issue which makes it impossible for me to attend though I was inclined to, this year.

    Forth is not your highest priority? I'm truly shocked :)

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  • From Ron AARON@21:1/5 to Stephen Pelc on Mon Jun 26 07:16:49 2023
    On 25/06/2023 23:40, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    On 22 Jun 2023 at 17:57:40 CEST, "Ron AARON" <clf@8th-dev.com> wrote:

    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.

    EuroForth is usually in September because that is in the period between schools restarting after summer holidays and the universities restarting. In turn, we get cheaper hotels.

    With four Jewish new years in a four week period, you will find yourself blocked every other year. In 2024, Rosh Hashanah is on October 2-4, so
    you will probably be safe.

    Four holidays, not new years; still, the point is valid.

    I understand, I was simply pointing out a scheduling issue which makes
    it impossible for me to attend though I was inclined to, this year.

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  • From Ron AARON@21:1/5 to dxforth on Mon Jun 26 08:20:56 2023
    On 26/06/2023 7:34, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/06/2023 2:16 pm, Ron AARON wrote:
    On 25/06/2023 23:40, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    On 22 Jun 2023 at 17:57:40 CEST, "Ron AARON" <clf@8th-dev.com> wrote:

    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.

    EuroForth is usually in September because that is in the period between
    schools restarting after summer holidays and the universities restarting. In
    turn, we get cheaper hotels.

    With four Jewish new years in a four week period, you will find yourself >>> blocked every other year. In 2024, Rosh Hashanah is on October 2-4, so
    you will probably be safe.

    Four holidays, not new years; still, the point is valid.

    I understand, I was simply pointing out a scheduling issue which makes it impossible for me to attend though I was inclined to, this year.

    Forth is not your highest priority? I'm truly shocked :)

    SAD!

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Stephen Pelc on Sun Jun 25 22:42:29 2023
    On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 21:40:35 UTC+1, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    On 22 Jun 2023 at 17:57:40 CEST, "Ron AARON" <c...@8th-dev.com> wrote:

    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.
    EuroForth is usually in September because that is in the period between schools restarting after summer holidays and the universities restarting. In turn, we get cheaper hotels.

    With four Jewish new years in a four week period, you will find yourself blocked every other year. In 2024, Rosh Hashanah is on October 2-4, so
    you will probably be safe.

    Stephen
    --
    Stephen Pelc, ste...@vfxforth.com
    MicroProcessor Engineering, Ltd. - More Real, Less Time
    133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
    tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612,
    +34 649 662 974
    http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

    Thank you.
    If I understand you correctly, Ron could have attended every second year.
    So how often did he attend over the years?

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  • From Ron AARON@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Mon Jun 26 09:20:14 2023
    On 26/06/2023 8:42, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 21:40:35 UTC+1, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    On 22 Jun 2023 at 17:57:40 CEST, "Ron AARON" <c...@8th-dev.com> wrote:

    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.
    EuroForth is usually in September because that is in the period between
    schools restarting after summer holidays and the universities restarting. In >> turn, we get cheaper hotels.

    With four Jewish new years in a four week period, you will find yourself
    blocked every other year. In 2024, Rosh Hashanah is on October 2-4, so
    you will probably be safe.

    Stephen
    --
    Stephen Pelc, ste...@vfxforth.com
    MicroProcessor Engineering, Ltd. - More Real, Less Time
    133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
    tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612,
    +34 649 662 974
    http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

    Thank you.
    If I understand you correctly, Ron could have attended every second year.
    So how often did he attend over the years?

    You could/should have asked me that directly. Never attended, yet.

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Ron AARON on Sun Jun 25 23:24:04 2023
    On Monday, 26 June 2023 at 07:20:18 UTC+1, Ron AARON wrote:
    On 26/06/2023 8:42, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Sunday, 25 June 2023 at 21:40:35 UTC+1, Stephen Pelc wrote:
    On 22 Jun 2023 at 17:57:40 CEST, "Ron AARON" <c...@8th-dev.com> wrote:

    If it weren't on Rosh Hashana, I would probably have gone.
    EuroForth is usually in September because that is in the period between
    schools restarting after summer holidays and the universities restarting. In
    turn, we get cheaper hotels.

    With four Jewish new years in a four week period, you will find yourself >> blocked every other year. In 2024, Rosh Hashanah is on October 2-4, so
    you will probably be safe.

    Stephen
    --
    Stephen Pelc, ste...@vfxforth.com
    MicroProcessor Engineering, Ltd. - More Real, Less Time
    133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England
    tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, +44 (0)78 0390 3612,
    +34 649 662 974
    http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads

    Thank you.
    If I understand you correctly, Ron could have attended every second year. So how often did he attend over the years?
    You could/should have asked me that directly. Never attended, yet.

    I know Stephen better, so I asked him.
    But looking at the results I realize, I should not started this question anyway.
    Sorry, I had thought it might be helpful, but all of this seems to have been considered by Euroforth.

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