Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and
some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width).
But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a
tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's
CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me.
Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles. Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus> Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/ GoogleChrome addon: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:43:08 AM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and
some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width).
But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text
formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a
monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a
tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's
CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me.
Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles.
Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are
corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus>
Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/
GoogleChrome addon:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
Sorry, I'm not following. How do I use this information?
Do you have a dummy's guide?
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:now, this text is proportional.
On 2023-04-08 17:29, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:43:08 AM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and
some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width).
But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text
formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a
monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a >> tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's
CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me.
Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles. >> Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are >> corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus> >> Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/ >> GoogleChrome addon:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
Sorry, I'm not following. How do I use this information?
Do you have a dummy's guide?
1. Install Stylus in your browser.
2. Open https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/qW5U1xmla_0
3. Click on the Stylus icon "{S}" in the toolbor (usually, at the top-right part of the browser window) to open its menu.
3. Under the title "Write style for:"
click on "groups" in "group.google.com/this URL"
4. Insert the provided CSS rules.
5. Check the scope at the bottom ("URLs on the domain"), and close the tab.
New rules should take effect on the groups.google.com webpages.I followed your instructions... I think. I did not see "URLs on the domain" anywhere. But this thread is being showing in a monospaced font. However, no other thread in the Forth group shows up monospaced and the editing window is not monospaced. Right
They can be turned off in the Stylus menu, by off the corresponding check.
I would also point out that this is mostly useful for viewing tables and diagrams people post in ASCII. But Google Groups strips out extra white space, including spaces, tabs and even new lines, losing most formatting even more than what is lost usinga proportional font.
On 2023-04-08 17:29, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:43:08 AM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and
some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width).
But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text
formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a
monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a
tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's >> CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me.
Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles.
Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are >> corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus>
Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/
GoogleChrome addon:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
Sorry, I'm not following. How do I use this information?
Do you have a dummy's guide?
1. Install Stylus in your browser.
2. Open https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/qW5U1xmla_0
3. Click on the Stylus icon "{S}" in the toolbor (usually, at the
top-right part of the browser window) to open its menu.
3. Under the title "Write style for:"
click on "groups" in "group.google.com/this URL"
4. Insert the provided CSS rules.
5. Check the scope at the bottom ("URLs on the domain"), and close the tab.
New rules should take effect on the groups.google.com webpages.
They can be turned off in the Stylus menu, by off the corresponding check.
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 5:16:00 PM UTC-4, Lorem Ipsum wrote:Right now, this text is proportional.
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:
On 2023-04-08 17:29, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:43:08 AM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and >> some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width). >> But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text
formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a >> monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a >> tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's
CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me.
Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles.
Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are
corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus> >> Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/
GoogleChrome addon:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
Sorry, I'm not following. How do I use this information?
Do you have a dummy's guide?
1. Install Stylus in your browser.
2. Open https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/qW5U1xmla_0
3. Click on the Stylus icon "{S}" in the toolbor (usually, at the top-right part of the browser window) to open its menu.
3. Under the title "Write style for:"
click on "groups" in "group.google.com/this URL"
4. Insert the provided CSS rules.
5. Check the scope at the bottom ("URLs on the domain"), and close the tab.
New rules should take effect on the groups.google.com webpages.I followed your instructions... I think. I did not see "URLs on the domain" anywhere. But this thread is being showing in a monospaced font. However, no other thread in the Forth group shows up monospaced and the editing window is not monospaced.
They can be turned off in the Stylus menu, by off the corresponding check.
using a proportional font.I would also point out that this is mostly useful for viewing tables and diagrams people post in ASCII. But Google Groups strips out extra white space, including spaces, tabs and even new lines, losing most formatting even more than what is lost
Ok, I found my error in the style being restricted to the one thread. I used an overly specific URL. Now this is applied to all Forth posts. I expect I can change it to apply to all Google Groups as well.
Can I choose any font that is on my PC? Is there a way to get a list of available fonts?
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 5:16:00 PM UTC-4, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:
On 2023-04-08 17:29, Lorem Ipsum wrote:But this thread is being showing in a monospaced font. However, no other thread
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:43:08 AM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:1. Install Stylus in your browser.
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and >>>>> some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width). >>>>> But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text
formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a >>>>> monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a >>>>> tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's >>>>> CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me.
Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles. >>>>> Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are >>>>> corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus> >>>>> Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/ >>>>> GoogleChrome addon:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
Sorry, I'm not following. How do I use this information?
Do you have a dummy's guide?
2. Open https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/qW5U1xmla_0
3. Click on the Stylus icon "{S}" in the toolbor (usually, at the
top-right part of the browser window) to open its menu.
3. Under the title "Write style for:"
click on "groups" in "group.google.com/this URL"
4. Insert the provided CSS rules.
5. Check the scope at the bottom ("URLs on the domain"), and close the tab. >>>
New rules should take effect on the groups.google.com webpages.
They can be turned off in the Stylus menu, by off the corresponding check. >> I followed your instructions... I think. I did not see "URLs on the domain" anywhere.
in the Forth group shows up monospaced
and the editing window is not monospaced. Right now, this text is proportional.
a proportional font.
I would also point out that this is mostly useful for viewing tables and diagrams people post in ASCII. But Google Groups strips out extra white space, including spaces, tabs and even new lines, losing most formatting even more than what is lost using
Ok, I found my error in the style being restricted to the one thread. I used an overly specific URL.
Now this is applied to all Forth posts. I expect I can change it to apply to all Google Groups as well.
Can I choose any font that is on my PC?
Is there a way to get a list of available fonts?
On 2023-04-08 21:22, Lorem Ipsum wrote:using a proportional font.
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 5:16:00 PM UTC-4, Lorem Ipsum wrote:Replace the line:
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 4:18:30 PM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:
On 2023-04-08 17:29, Lorem Ipsum wrote:I followed your instructions... I think. I did not see "URLs on the domain" anywhere.
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:43:08 AM UTC-4, Ruvim wrote:1. Install Stylus in your browser.
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and >>>>> some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width). >>>>> But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text >>>>> formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a >>>>> monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a >>>>> tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's
CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me. >>>>> Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles. >>>>> Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are
corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus> >>>>> Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/ >>>>> GoogleChrome addon:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
Sorry, I'm not following. How do I use this information?
Do you have a dummy's guide?
2. Open https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/qW5U1xmla_0
3. Click on the Stylus icon "{S}" in the toolbor (usually, at the
top-right part of the browser window) to open its menu.
3. Under the title "Write style for:"
click on "groups" in "group.google.com/this URL"
4. Insert the provided CSS rules.
5. Check the scope at the bottom ("URLs on the domain"), and close the tab.
New rules should take effect on the groups.google.com webpages.
They can be turned off in the Stylus menu, by off the corresponding check.
But this thread is being showing in a monospaced font. However, no other thread
in the Forth group shows up monospaced
and the editing window is not monospaced. Right now, this text is proportional.
div[role=region] {
by the line:
div[role=region], textarea[jsname] {
I would also point out that this is mostly useful for viewing tables and diagrams people post in ASCII. But Google Groups strips out extra white space, including spaces, tabs and even new lines, losing most formatting even more than what is lost
Ok, I found my error in the style being restricted to the one thread. I used an overly specific URL.Yes, just click the pencil icon in the Stylus menu to edit styles
Now this is applied to all Forth posts. I expect I can change it to apply to all Google Groups as well.
related to the current web-page, and then change the scope at the bottom.
Can I choose any font that is on my PC?Yes, just put your preferred font name at the beginning of the list.
You have to use a monospaced font.
Is there a way to get a list of available fonts?Of course. Just try to google:
how to list installed fonts in {your OS}
E.g.:
how to list installed fonts in Windows 10
A command line solution for Windows is shown at:
https://superuser.com/questions/760627/how-to-list-installed-font-families
I would also point out that this is mostly useful for viewing tables and diagrams people post in ASCII. But Google Groups strips out extra white space, including spaces, tabs and even new lines, losing most formatting even more than what is lost usinga proportional font.
On 9/04/2023 7:15 am, Lorem Ipsum wrote:using a proportional font.
I would also point out that this is mostly useful for viewing tables and diagrams people post in ASCII. But Google Groups strips out extra white space, including spaces, tabs and even new lines, losing most formatting even more than what is lost
Checking code in previous posts, spaces are retained. So far the only downside seems to be each time I come back to google-groups, I need to
hit Stylus button which then asks for a refresh.
It's all very clever but akin to working around poor choices that shouldn't have been made in the first place. I fear it will only get worse.
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 8:59:49 PM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:using a proportional font.
On 9/04/2023 7:15 am, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
I would also point out that this is mostly useful for viewing tables and diagrams people post in ASCII. But Google Groups strips out extra white space, including spaces, tabs and even new lines, losing most formatting even more than what is lost
Checking code in previous posts, spaces are retained. So far the only
downside seems to be each time I come back to google-groups, I need to
hit Stylus button which then asks for a refresh.
It's all very clever but akin to working around poor choices that shouldn't >> have been made in the first place. I fear it will only get worse.
Apparently Google Groups only strips the extra white space in the view, not in any messages. I read some of my posts from some time back, and I see extra spaces that I didn't know were making it into the messages, even after reading them after posting!
I wonder if there's a way to change the font color of text on web pages. Nothing else, just the color. So many web sites use such a light grey font, often
on a slightly grey background, that I can't read them. Sometimes I can use Reader View in Firefox, but often it's not available.
I wrote a VHDL help site last week and they responded. But they guy says he's doing a revamp in awhile, so he's not messing with it in the short term. I
really think this is one of the stupidest trends ever. It's simply about trying to look stylish at the expense of readability. Insane!
Rick C.
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and
some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width).
But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a
tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's
CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me.
Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles. Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus> Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/ GoogleChrome addon: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
--
Ruvim
On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 3:43:08 PM UTC+3, Ruvim wrote:
Some people read this news group via the Google Groups web-site, and
some even post via the Google Groups web-interface.
Google Groups shows text using a proportional font (variable-width).
But historically monospaced fonts were used in news, and some text formatting, especially in source codes and ascii-graphics, implies a monospace font.
I also use Google Groups sometimes, especially for search. So I use a tweak to view articles in a monospace font.
Namely, I use the addon/extension "Stylus" [1] with the following user's CSS style for URLs on the domain groups.google.com
div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 50em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
Having this styles, articles are shown in a monospace font to me. Although, this CSS does not work correctly for some very old articles. Sometimes (very rarely) Google changes the html markup, so this CSS are corrected accordingly.
Hope this information will be useful for somebody.
[1] Stylus sources repository: <https://github.com/openstyles/stylus> Firefox addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/styl-us/ GoogleChrome addon: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylus/clngdbkpkpeebahjckkjfobafhncgmne
looked meaningless. I know it first-hand since I published numerous lottery reports. We recommended copy-and-paste to Notepad for better viewing. Still, it didn’t work well!--Ruvim et al.:
Ruvim
Axiomatic ones, I am one of the Usenet pioneers. For convenience, I chose Google Groups for reading and posting in newsgroups.
The biggest problem I and others faced was the formatting of reports. They were ASCII (text) files in the ubiquitous Courier font type. Viewing the well-formatted text files was a serious challenge. The entries were not aligned and the entire report
I was referred to this very thread by a poster in rec.gambling.lottery. Accordingly, I felt compelled to install Stylus in Chrome, Firefox, and, yes, Edge. I detailed the installation and running of Stylus for others to follow. I posted special threadsin several newsgroups I am a member of. I decided to publish the same “instructions” here.
• https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.lottery/c/xj1oUsXz5oo?hl=ento Chrome.
• Usenet Redivivus! Best Post Viewing in Google Groups
CHROME:
• In Tools on the toolbar, click More tools, then Extensions. Click the 3-bar button at the top left to open the Extensions menu; at the bottom, click ‘Open Chrome Web Store’. In ‘Search the store’, type Stylus. Click on app’s name to add
• After installation, click on the Extensions button on Toolbar, click on Stylus, then Pin to toolbar.changing the max-width: 50em; line to 80 characters horizontally.
FIREFOX:
• In Tools on the toolbar, click Addon and tools, Extensions (in the left panel), Find more addons, search for Stylus; in Search results, click on Stylus, then Add to Firefox.
• After installation, click on the Extensions button on Toolbar, click on Stylus, then Pin to toolbar.
EDGE:
• Stylus does not appear in the Edge browser’s Extensions.
• In the ‘Extensions’ function, scroll to the bottom: ‘Find new extensions’.
• Look for: “Can't find what you're looking for? You can also get extensions from the Chrome Web Store.” Download and install Stylus as in the Chrome browser.
How to configure Stylus
1.– Open a Google group in the Chrome / Edge or Firefox browser. For example, the address bar should read https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.lottery
2.– Click the Stylus button on the toolbar (e.g. S in a square)
3.– Check the option box ‘Write style for’
4.– The U button appears; e.g. groups.google.com/This URL
5.– Click on the URL (it should be HTML-activated)
6.– Go to the bottom section that reads ‘URLs on this domain’
7.– Copy-and-paste the following code snippet (overwrite lines 9, 10, 11): div[role=region] {
font-family: Consolas, Courier, monospace;
display: block;
max-width: 80em;
white-space: pre-wrap;
}
div[role="region"] br {
display: none;
}
8.– You see the code you copied was moved up to the section ‘/* ==UserStyle==’
9.– Click Save in the left panel (‘Add Style’)
10.– Close the window/tab (e.g. https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.lottery )
11.– Reopen the window/tab; the new viewing style is in effect.
The personal computing, including good ol’ 16-bit DOS, had 80 columns. That is, the maximum width was 80 characters in a monospaced font. Many reports in the early days of Usenet were created for an 80-column screen. We can resort to that width by
I subscribe to several Google groups. I notice that adding Stylus to one newsgroup automatically changes the viewing to monospace in ALL my favorite groups.the ‘green’ button on the toolbar. I check the box ‘Turn all styles off’. The button turns ‘red’. When I navigate to a newsgroup, I uncheck the same box; the button turns ‘green’ again.
Heads-up –
I noticed Stylus changes the appearance (font type) of websites other than newsgroups. Curiously, my webmail looks different with some accounts. I can’t see the messages in my Inbox with the old Hotmail via Outlook. I simply disable Stylus. I click
May Usenet live forever!
Ion “Axiomatic Parpaluck” Saliu
Intelligently At-Large (both naturally and artificially)
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