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  • No traffic since 23dec2022?

    From Wolfgang Allinger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 26 05:33:00 2022
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

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  • From Anton Ertl@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Allinger on Mon Dec 26 08:52:10 2022
    "Wolfgang Allinger" <all2001@spambog.com> writes:
    So whats going on?

    People spend their time on other things?

    - anton
    --
    M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
    comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
    New standard: https://forth-standard.org/
    EuroForth 2022: https://euro.theforth.net

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  • From Zbig@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 26 04:09:05 2022
    So whats going on?

    Instead of just talking about Forth — the participants are busy
    creating Forth programs.

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  • From Wolfgang Allinger@21:1/5 to Zbig on Mon Dec 26 10:03:00 2022
    On 26 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article feddbdd2-9558-42dc-ac86-607ea6d25e8bn@googlegroups.com
    <zbigniew2011@gmail.com> (Zbig) wrote:

    So whats going on?

    Instead of just talking about Forth ? the participants are busy
    creating Forth programs.

    That will make me happy :)


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wolfgang Allinger@21:1/5 to anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at on Mon Dec 26 10:03:00 2022
    On 26 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 2022Dec26.095210@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
    <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at) wrote:

    "Wolfgang Allinger" <all2001@spambog.com> writes:
    So whats going on?

    People spend their time on other things?

    THX a lot, that clf isn't broken :)


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Zbig on Tue Dec 27 13:18:03 2022
    On 26/12/2022 11:09 pm, Zbig wrote:
    So whats going on?

    Instead of just talking about Forth — the participants are busy
    creating Forth programs.

    Not yet but it's included in 2023's New Year resolutions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Allinger on Tue Dec 27 07:23:20 2022
    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p
    (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    The rest of us are enjoying the time with family and friends
    without any software interferance
    and hopefully more Forth soon.
    Best Wishes for 2023.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Wed Dec 28 10:45:59 2022
    On 28/12/2022 2:23 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p
    (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    The rest of us are enjoying the time with family and friends
    without any software interferance
    and hopefully more Forth soon.

    Here I was thinking Christmas was commerce reminding you to think about them :)

    Best Wishes for 2023.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to dxforth on Tue Dec 27 23:45:46 2022
    On Tuesday, 27 December 2022 at 23:46:03 UTC, dxforth wrote:
    On 28/12/2022 2:23 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf >> ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p
    (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    The rest of us are enjoying the time with family and friends
    without any software interferance
    and hopefully more Forth soon.
    Here I was thinking Christmas was commerce reminding you to think about them :)

    Best Wishes for 2023.

    I wonder, how limited your life experience is.
    It is your decision to buy anything and keep it or give it as a present. Related to Christmas or normal life - e.g. food ...
    I adore your negativity.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 28 16:43:30 2022
    I wonder, how limited your life experience is.
    I rarely wonder how limited dxforths life experience is. I often find
    myself wondering how limited yours is.

    It is your decision to buy anything and keep it or give it as a present.
    Stating the obvious has a high "Sheldon Cooper" content. But thank
    you for explaining it to our mortals. We needed it, I suppose.

    Nice fun fact: Einstein never got the Nobel price for his Theory of
    Relativity.

    Related to Christmas or normal life - e.g. food ..
    Other fun fact: given you have a good caterer, you can do this every day
    of the year.
    .
    I adore your negativity.
    I wish would we could all share that capacity. It would make it so much
    easier to enjoy your posts.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Fri Dec 30 11:17:29 2022
    On 28/12/2022 6:45 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Tuesday, 27 December 2022 at 23:46:03 UTC, dxforth wrote:
    On 28/12/2022 2:23 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt! >>>> Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf >>>> ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p
    (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot >>>
    The rest of us are enjoying the time with family and friends
    without any software interferance
    and hopefully more Forth soon.
    Here I was thinking Christmas was commerce reminding you to think about them :)

    Best Wishes for 2023.

    I wonder, how limited your life experience is.
    It is your decision to buy anything and keep it or give it as a present. Related to Christmas or normal life - e.g. food ...
    I adore your negativity.

    Individuals with unique life experiences? If only it were so :) Truth is folks know they're in a rut and console themselves by trying to get others
    to conform to the rituals and goals society has laid out.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wolfgang Allinger@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Fri Dec 30 07:22:00 2022
    On 27 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6376659f-3182-4bca-892f-7be5e09c0a70n@googlegroups.com
    <jpitaske@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p
    (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    @JP Was stört es eine Deutsche Eiche,
    wenn sich ein Wildschwein aka JP,
    an ihr schubbert!

    @JP Wenn Du Dumpfbacke, die nichtmal ihren Namen richtig schreiben kann,
    mich anmachen willst, dann musst Du früher aufstehen!

    @JP Jetzt kannste das übersetzen!

    PS.
    Mistikack! meine sig wieder nicht beachtet! Isch schwöre für 2003 will ich
    es versuchen es besser zu machen :)

    PPS. Sorry for Nongermans, but this is an answer to the unimportant troll
    JP not worth to translate :]



    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Allinger on Fri Dec 30 05:01:38 2022
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 10:32:56 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 27 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6376659f-3182-4bca...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf >> ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p
    (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot


    @JP Was stört es eine Deutsche Eiche,
    wenn sich ein Wildschwein aka JP,
    an ihr schubbert!

    @JP Wenn Du Dumpfbacke, die nichtmal ihren Namen richtig schreiben kann, mich anmachen willst, dann musst Du früher aufstehen!

    @JP Jetzt kannste das übersetzen!

    PS.
    Mistikack! meine sig wieder nicht beachtet! Isch schwöre für 2003 will ich es versuchen es besser zu machen :)

    PPS. Sorry for Nongermans, but this is an answer to the unimportant troll
    JP not worth to translate :]
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    @ AllingeriDiot or in short how you say yourself: iDiot

    Thanks for showing your personality again.

    We live in a free world still
    and I comment as I want as you do.
    Might be different where you live.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Allinger on Fri Dec 30 05:11:33 2022
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 10:32:56 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 27 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6376659f-3182-4bca...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf >> ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p
    (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot
    @JP Was stört es eine Deutsche Eiche,
    wenn sich ein Wildschwein aka JP,
    an ihr schubbert!

    @JP Wenn Du Dumpfbacke, die nichtmal ihren Namen richtig schreiben kann, mich anmachen willst, dann musst Du früher aufstehen!

    @JP Jetzt kannste das übersetzen!

    PS.
    Mistikack! meine sig wieder nicht beachtet! Isch schwöre für 2003 will ich es versuchen es besser zu machen :)

    PPS. Sorry for Nongermans, but this is an answer to the unimportant troll
    JP not worth to translate :]
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    You asked for an entertainment program as you were bored over Christmas.
    You got it here now. Started it yourself.
    Completely without any Forth it it - a Christmas Special for you.
    What are you complaining about?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 30 07:22:24 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 2:01:40 PM UTC+1, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 10:32:56 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 27 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6376659f-3182-4bca...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt! >> Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf >> ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p
    (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot


    @JP Was stört es eine Deutsche Eiche,
    wenn sich ein Wildschwein aka JP,
    an ihr schubbert!

    @JP Wenn Du Dumpfbacke, die nichtmal ihren Namen richtig schreiben kann, mich anmachen willst, dann musst Du früher aufstehen!

    @JP Jetzt kannste das übersetzen!

    PS.
    Mistikack! meine sig wieder nicht beachtet! Isch schwöre für 2003 will ich
    es versuchen es besser zu machen :)

    PPS. Sorry for Nongermans, but this is an answer to the unimportant troll JP not worth to translate :]
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot
    @ AllingeriDiot or in short how you say yourself: iDiot

    Thanks for showing your personality again.

    We live in a free world still
    and I comment as I want as you do.
    Might be different where you live.
    Well, I can remember some coversation, where you deny that
    rights to others - under the disguise that you tend to "protect the
    greater Forth community". That's all good and fine, but the question
    remains: who protects us from you?

    Hans Bezemer

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 30 08:08:15 2022
    I wondered, who this Allinger guy is.
    well the Internet answers it, comments from Germany of people who know him:

    ...
    KL
    Reminds me of the great programs "Goodbye Germany" etc.

    Nothing achieved here in Germany, move to a poor country
    emigrate because there is not enough money for more
    and then try imposing your will on poor people... Do you actually notice it?

    Just stay away from other people when you do that,
    if you are overwhelmed to adapt.
    You went there voluntarily -
    they didn't come to you.
    Already forgotten this within a week?

    It's good for us here in Germany that you're gone,
    but for the people in PY I feel already sorry

    .KL
    ...
    KL
    By the way, I change my mind: Feel free to share your experiences here
    keep writing. I'm curious how else you are embarrassing yourself.

    KL

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The original and context in German

    hier im Blog
    KL
    Permalink
    Erinnert mich an die tollen Sendungen "Goodbye Deutschland" etc.

    Erst hier in Deutschland nix gebacken kriegen, in ein armes Land
    auswandern, da die Kohle nicht für mehr reicht und dann versuchen den
    armen Leuten Deinen Willen aufzuzwingen... Merkst DU´s eigentlich?

    Halte Dich doch einfach von anderen Menschen fern, wenn DU damit
    überfordert bist, Dich anzupassen. Du bist da freiwillig hingegangen -
    nicht die sind zu Dir gekommen. In einer Woche schon vergessen?

    Für uns in D. ist es gut, dass Du weg bist, aber für die Leute in PY
    tut es mir schon leid.

    .KL
    ...
    KL
    Permalink
    Übrigens ändere meine Meinung: Du kannst Deinen Erfahrungen hier ruhig
    weiter schreiben. Bin mal neugierig, wie Du Dich da sonst noch
    blamierst...

    KL

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And the link where it comes from and the context:

    https://de.etc.beruf.selbstaendig.narkive.com/3g0SR0FE/ot-py070510-all

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 30 07:32:28 2022
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 15:22:26 UTC, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 2:01:40 PM UTC+1, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 10:32:56 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 27 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6376659f-3182-4bca...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    On Monday, 26 December 2022 at 08:34:16 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    I'm missing traffic since 23dec2022.
    other groups have traffic.
    So whats going on?

    Merry X-mas


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    Forth has been active in many ways for the last 50+ years.

    If somebody here is missing the usual entertainment program
    over the Christmas period this is very sad to hear.

    But at least it is clear who it is as he states:
    I am living in Paraguay and allergic to trolls :) reply address set!
    I will argue less with idiots in the future because they get me
    down their level and beat me there with their experience! :p (according to old usenet wisdom) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot


    @JP Was stört es eine Deutsche Eiche,
    wenn sich ein Wildschwein aka JP,
    an ihr schubbert!

    @JP Wenn Du Dumpfbacke, die nichtmal ihren Namen richtig schreiben kann, mich anmachen willst, dann musst Du früher aufstehen!

    @JP Jetzt kannste das übersetzen!

    PS.
    Mistikack! meine sig wieder nicht beachtet! Isch schwöre für 2003 will ich
    es versuchen es besser zu machen :)

    PPS. Sorry for Nongermans, but this is an answer to the unimportant troll
    JP not worth to translate :]
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt! Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot
    @ AllingeriDiot or in short how you say yourself: iDiot

    Thanks for showing your personality again.

    We live in a free world still
    and I comment as I want as you do.
    Might be different where you live.

    Well, I can remember some coversation, where you deny that
    rights to others - under the disguise that you tend to "protect the
    greater Forth community". That's all good and fine, but the question remains: who protects us from you?

    Hans Bezemer


    It seems you post bullshit again, as you binned the proof.
    Just making it up as you go along so it suits you.

    In our free world there is a legal system
    - but this seems to be outside your knowledge ...
    Or you are just not interested?

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Fri Dec 30 09:00:53 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 4:32:29 PM UTC+1, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    It seems you post bullshit again, as you binned the proof.
    Just making it up as you go along so it suits you.
    In our free world there is a legal system
    - but this seems to be outside your knowledge ...
    Or you are just not interested?
    Oh, I didn't bin the proof, believe me. I'm just a very forgiving person - with a limited patience.
    It's my only flaw. ;-)

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wolfgang Allinger@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Fri Dec 30 14:03:00 2022
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6f7d41f7-38ed-4dbd-829b-0bead649b9b0n@googlegroups.com
    <jpitaske@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    I wondered, who this Allinger guy is.
    well the Internet answers it, comments from Germany of people who know him:

    @JP You are bullshitting as usual. I don't know the troll KL and he didn't knows me, nor do you JauchePimmel.

    ...
    KL
    Reminds me of the great programs "Goodbye Germany" etc.


    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And the link where it comes from and the context:

    https://de.etc.beruf.selbstaendig.narkive.com/3g0SR0FE/ot-py070510-all

    @JP Falls Du den Thread komplett gelesen hast, dann wirst Du nicht einen einzigen finden, der den Dünnschiss von dem Troll KL irgendwie gut fand.
    Nur Du JauchePimmel Faulschlammwühler saugst Dir diesen Scheiss-Smoothie
    rein und stinkts dann natürlich aus Deinem verfaulten Schandmaul!


    -----------------------------------
    Sorry for the NonGermans, it's not worth reading or translate the fouly Bullshit from JP! JP aka JauchePimmel!

    Just for the records.


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Allinger on Fri Dec 30 17:30:41 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 4:43:34 PM UTC-5, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6f7d41f7-38ed-4dbd...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    I wondered, who this Allinger guy is.
    well the Internet answers it, comments from Germany of people who know him:
    @JP You are bullshitting as usual. I don't know the troll KL and he didn't knows me, nor do you JauchePimmel.
    ...
    KL
    Reminds me of the great programs "Goodbye Germany" etc. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And the link where it comes from and the context:

    https://de.etc.beruf.selbstaendig.narkive.com/3g0SR0FE/ot-py070510-all
    @JP Falls Du den Thread komplett gelesen hast, dann wirst Du nicht einen einzigen finden, der den Dünnschiss von dem Troll KL irgendwie gut fand. Nur Du JauchePimmel Faulschlammwühler saugst Dir diesen Scheiss-Smoothie rein und stinkts dann natürlich aus Deinem verfaulten Schandmaul!


    -----------------------------------
    Sorry for the NonGermans, it's not worth reading or translate the fouly Bullshit from JP! JP aka JauchePimmel!

    Just for the records.
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang


    I hate to tell you, but you will never win arguing with JP. No matter what the topic or the point of discussion, he will either bludgeon you with invectives or start digging up "dirt" on you to "expose" you to the world.

    He thinks he is doing good for the Forth community, but he basically just stirs the s**t when anyone posts something he doesn't like. The irony is, this is one of the least read, dark corners of the Internet. If he called you a child rapist, you would
    have a hard time proving damages in court, because no one would ever read what he wrote.

    JP could be a positive influence for Forth. But from what he posts here, he is a poster child for the raving lunatics that people think use Forth. Because of people like him and Hugh, I don't recommend this group to anyone interested in Forth. You
    just never know when the bomb is going to go off. So I try not to light any matches here. I'm sure this post will get some sort of a rant from him. But my point is it is much better to ignore what he says, no matter how foul. Certainly responding in
    kind is very non-productive.

    --

    Rick C.

    - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Allinger on Fri Dec 30 23:29:21 2022
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 21:43:34 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6f7d41f7-38ed-4dbd...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    I wondered, who this Allinger guy is.
    well the Internet answers it, comments from Germany of people who know him:
    @JP You are bullshitting as usual. I don't know the troll KL and he didn't knows me, nor do you JauchePimmel.
    ...
    KL
    Reminds me of the great programs "Goodbye Germany" etc. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And the link where it comes from and the context:

    https://de.etc.beruf.selbstaendig.narkive.com/3g0SR0FE/ot-py070510-all
    @JP Falls Du den Thread komplett gelesen hast, dann wirst Du nicht einen einzigen finden, der den Dünnschiss von dem Troll KL irgendwie gut fand. Nur Du JauchePimmel Faulschlammwühler saugst Dir diesen Scheiss-Smoothie rein und stinkts dann natürlich aus Deinem verfaulten Schandmaul!


    -----------------------------------
    Sorry for the NonGermans, it's not worth reading or translate the fouly Bullshit from JP! JP aka JauchePimmel!

    Just for the records.
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot


    AMEN.

    You are definitely improving on the size of your bullshit heap.
    And your wording underlines/exposes your ugly character.
    You now got the entertainment program you asked for.

    And I can now just lean back, shake my head and agree
    that this group is definitely the one with the largest collection of whatever you want to call them.

    And can sit back, get some of the Forth Books out that I published.
    And flick through them and learn something. Or just enjoy reading.
    Most of the published books are about Forth.
    This was at a time when I had a positive opinion about this community here. Nothing to do with the language, there are groups about Forth where normal people live.
    And I do appreciate working with the people wo wrote them and allowed to publish them,
    so they do not disappear.

    It is interesting to see as well, that basically none of them ever post here.

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the beginnings of this Computer Language
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the
    internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
    ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
    MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit
    86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
    Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
    Juergen Pintaske, publisher, status July 2020

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Lorem Ipsum on Sat Dec 31 19:26:09 2022
    On 31/12/2022 12:30 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
    ...
    I don't recommend this group to anyone interested in Forth. You just never know
    when the bomb is going to go off.

    Maybe what keeps you tuning in. Forth with a 'reality show' flavour :)

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Sat Dec 31 01:45:37 2022
    On Saturday, 31 December 2022 at 07:29:22 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 21:43:34 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6f7d41f7-38ed-4dbd...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    I wondered, who this Allinger guy is.
    well the Internet answers it, comments from Germany of people who know him:
    @JP You are bullshitting as usual. I don't know the troll KL and he didn't knows me, nor do you JauchePimmel.
    ...
    KL
    Reminds me of the great programs "Goodbye Germany" etc. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And the link where it comes from and the context:

    https://de.etc.beruf.selbstaendig.narkive.com/3g0SR0FE/ot-py070510-all
    @JP Falls Du den Thread komplett gelesen hast, dann wirst Du nicht einen einzigen finden, der den Dünnschiss von dem Troll KL irgendwie gut fand. Nur Du JauchePimmel Faulschlammwühler saugst Dir diesen Scheiss-Smoothie rein und stinkts dann natürlich aus Deinem verfaulten Schandmaul!


    -----------------------------------
    Sorry for the NonGermans, it's not worth reading or translate the fouly Bullshit from JP! JP aka JauchePimmel!

    Just for the records.
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot
    AMEN.

    You are definitely improving on the size of your bullshit heap.
    And your wording underlines/exposes your ugly character.
    You now got the entertainment program you asked for.

    And I can now just lean back, shake my head and agree
    that this group is definitely the one with the largest collection of whatever you want to call them.

    And can sit back, get some of the Forth Books out that I published.
    And flick through them and learn something. Or just enjoy reading.
    Most of the published books are about Forth.
    This was at a time when I had a positive opinion about this community here. Nothing to do with the language, there are groups about Forth where normal people live.
    And I do appreciate working with the people wo wrote them and allowed to publish them,
    so they do not disappear.

    It is interesting to see as well, that basically none of them ever post here.

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the beginnings of this Computer Language
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
    ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
    MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit 86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
    Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
    Juergen Pintaske, publisher, status July 2020

    And as a bit of fun I looked once again at this group of Bestsellers on amazon https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2

    As of today 31 12 2022 9.27 - as it changes constantly
    11 of the books I published are in there today - most of them about Forth.
    11 of the top 100 means 10%+ - not bad for a fun project of an outsider

    Some surprises regarding what people are interested in ...
    11 Pintaske - A Start with Forth ( not Starting Forth)
    26 Chuck - Programming a Problem Oriented Language
    42 Ting next - eForth Overview
    68 non-Forth - but about the much loved CDP1802 processor
    73 Ting - Zen and the Forth Language
    74 Ting - The Arduino controlled by eForth
    80 Pintaske - A Start with Forth ( not Starting Forth) as eBook
    83 Brad - Moving Forth
    88 Chuck - as eBook
    89 Ting - eForth and Zen
    98 non-Forth - Cheepit Sparrow

    It is just unfortunate, that Leo Brodie's eBook version of Starting Forth
    does not appear here to give him the credit he deserves https://www.amazon.co.uk/Starting-Forth-Leo-Brodie-ebook/dp/B01MS7YDKD
    But people probably download it foc as PDF from the Forth INC. website

    I can close this year now on the positive.
    Does this Forth Bookshelf support Forth?
    Let others judge.

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  • From Wolfgang Allinger@21:1/5 to Lorem Ipsum on Fri Dec 30 23:55:00 2022
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 1f87e0d3-920b-457a-9adc-a568282c08f4n@googlegroups.com
    <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> (Lorem Ipsum) wrote:

    I hate to tell you, but you will never win arguing with JP. No matter what the topic or the point of discussion, he will either bludgeon you with invectives or start digging up "dirt" on you to "expose" you to the world.

    Hi Rick,
    I forgot:
    Never wrestle with a pig. You both will get dirty, but the pig likes it!

    But I like to show once more how disgusting JauchePimmel (ManureDick :)
    sucks the shit-smothie and stinks from his fouly mouth.

    He thinks he is doing good for the Forth community, but he basically just stirs the s**t when anyone posts something he doesn't like.

    ACK, but you are shure, that JauchePimmel can think? I think he confuses stinking with thinking.

    Nugh said :)



    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Sat Dec 31 21:47:46 2022
    On 31/12/2022 8:45 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:

    I can close this year now on the positive.
    Does this Forth Bookshelf support Forth?

    No more so than any publisher of Forth books 'supported Forth'.
    They were in it for the money. Are you not? Submitters to
    Project Gutenberg charge nothing for their work.

    Let others judge.

    You're welcome

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Sat Dec 31 07:14:16 2022
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 10:45:39 AM UTC+1, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    Let others judge.
    "Others"? Present company included or excluded?

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Allinger on Sat Dec 31 15:23:49 2022
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:08:18 AM UTC-5, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 1f87e0d3-920b-457a...@googlegroups.com
    <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> (Lorem Ipsum) wrote:

    I hate to tell you, but you will never win arguing with JP. No matter what the topic or the point of discussion, he will either bludgeon you with invectives or start digging up "dirt" on you to "expose" you to the world.
    Hi Rick,
    I forgot:
    Never wrestle with a pig. You both will get dirty, but the pig likes it!

    But I like to show once more how disgusting JauchePimmel (ManureDick :) sucks the shit-smothie and stinks from his fouly mouth.
    He thinks he is doing good for the Forth community, but he basically just stirs the s**t when anyone posts something he doesn't like.
    ACK, but you are shure, that JauchePimmel can think? I think he confuses stinking with thinking.

    Nugh said :)
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang
    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    I don't think I actually communicated with you, any more than I do with JP, well, maybe somewhat more, as my discussions with JP are like using a pea shooter to contact an elephant.

    You say you are getting dirty wrestling with a pig, but then you continue to wrestle.

    Maybe you enjoy it a bit as well?

    --

    Rick C.

    + Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    + Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Wolfgang Allinger@21:1/5 to Lorem Ipsum on Sun Jan 1 09:13:00 2023
    On 31 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article a6523cfb-d523-4827-8c83-8cf69c7ddb35n@googlegroups.com
    <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> (Lorem Ipsum) wrote:

    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 6:08:18 AM UTC-5, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article
    1f87e0d3-920b-457a...@googlegroups.com <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> (Lorem
    Ipsum) wrote:

    I hate to tell you, but you will never win arguing with JP. No matter what >>> the topic or the point of discussion, he will either bludgeon you with
    invectives or start digging up "dirt" on you to "expose" you to the world. >> Hi Rick,
    I forgot:
    Never wrestle with a pig. You both will get dirty, but the pig likes it!

    But I like to show once more how disgusting JauchePimmel (ManureDick :)
    sucks the shit-smothie and stinks from his fouly mouth.
    He thinks he is doing good for the Forth community, but he basically just >>> stirs the s**t when anyone posts something he doesn't like.
    ACK, but you are shure, that JauchePimmel can think? I think he confuses
    stinking with thinking.

    Nugh said :)
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang
    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

    I don't think I actually communicated with you, any more than I do with JP, well, maybe somewhat more, as my discussions with JP are like using a pea shooter to contact an elephant.

    You say you are getting dirty wrestling with a pig, but then you continue to wrestle.

    Maybe you enjoy it a bit as well?

    I wrote "I forgot", why didn't you accept this :(


    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt!
    Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Mon Jan 2 06:31:09 2023
    On Saturday, 31 December 2022 at 09:45:39 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Saturday, 31 December 2022 at 07:29:22 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 21:43:34 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6f7d41f7-38ed-4dbd...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    I wondered, who this Allinger guy is.
    well the Internet answers it, comments from Germany of people who know him:
    @JP You are bullshitting as usual. I don't know the troll KL and he didn't
    knows me, nor do you JauchePimmel.
    ...
    KL
    Reminds me of the great programs "Goodbye Germany" etc. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And the link where it comes from and the context:

    https://de.etc.beruf.selbstaendig.narkive.com/3g0SR0FE/ot-py070510-all
    @JP Falls Du den Thread komplett gelesen hast, dann wirst Du nicht einen einzigen finden, der den Dünnschiss von dem Troll KL irgendwie gut fand.
    Nur Du JauchePimmel Faulschlammwühler saugst Dir diesen Scheiss-Smoothie
    rein und stinkts dann natürlich aus Deinem verfaulten Schandmaul!


    -----------------------------------
    Sorry for the NonGermans, it's not worth reading or translate the fouly Bullshit from JP! JP aka JauchePimmel!

    Just for the records.
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt! Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p
    (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot
    AMEN.

    You are definitely improving on the size of your bullshit heap.
    And your wording underlines/exposes your ugly character.
    You now got the entertainment program you asked for.

    And I can now just lean back, shake my head and agree
    that this group is definitely the one with the largest collection of whatever you want to call them.

    And can sit back, get some of the Forth Books out that I published.
    And flick through them and learn something. Or just enjoy reading.
    Most of the published books are about Forth.
    This was at a time when I had a positive opinion about this community here.
    Nothing to do with the language, there are groups about Forth where normal people live.
    And I do appreciate working with the people wo wrote them and allowed to publish them,
    so they do not disappear.

    It is interesting to see as well, that basically none of them ever post here.

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the
    beginnings of this Computer Language
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
    ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit 86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
    Juergen Pintaske, publisher, status July 2020
    And as a bit of fun I looked once again at this group of Bestsellers on amazon
    https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2

    As of today 31 12 2022 9.27 - as it changes constantly
    11 of the books I published are in there today - most of them about Forth. 11 of the top 100 means 10%+ - not bad for a fun project of an outsider

    Some surprises regarding what people are interested in ...
    11 Pintaske - A Start with Forth ( not Starting Forth)
    26 Chuck - Programming a Problem Oriented Language
    42 Ting next - eForth Overview
    68 non-Forth - but about the much loved CDP1802 processor
    73 Ting - Zen and the Forth Language
    74 Ting - The Arduino controlled by eForth
    80 Pintaske - A Start with Forth ( not Starting Forth) as eBook
    83 Brad - Moving Forth
    88 Chuck - as eBook
    89 Ting - eForth and Zen
    98 non-Forth - Cheepit Sparrow

    It is just unfortunate, that Leo Brodie's eBook version of Starting Forth does not appear here to give him the credit he deserves https://www.amazon.co.uk/Starting-Forth-Leo-Brodie-ebook/dp/B01MS7YDKD
    But people probably download it foc as PDF from the Forth INC. website

    I can close this year now on the positive.
    Does this Forth Bookshelf support Forth?
    Let others judge.


    It seems it was a good idea
    to make people aware of this Forth Bookshelf again,
    as more is happening now at the beginning of 2023 as it seems.

    Not really for the specialists here, they know it all
    but for the ones interested in Forth
    or just want to have some of the PDFs as part of their bookshelf to flick through.

    UPDATE: THE INTEREST IN THE FORTH BOOKSHELF HAS INCREASED over the last week. STATUS OF THE INTEREST AS OF 02 01 2023 14.06 at https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_1?_encoding=UTF8&pg=1

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf I published and some others and can be found at
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the beginnings of this Computer Language

    Position 19___1
    Position 95___2
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth

    Position 36___3
    Position 84___4
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more

    ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )

    Position 85___5
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler

    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3

    Position 29___6
    Position 89___7
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
    MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments

    Position 97___8
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit
    86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015

    Position 56___9
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview

    Position 25___10
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP

    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
    Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity

    Position 81 ___11
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth

    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )

    Position 21___12
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?

    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space

    Position 80___13
    23 Juergen Pintaske - BMP802 – CDP1802 Design Iteas Book

    Juergen Pintaske, publisher

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Sun Jan 8 02:04:09 2023
    On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 14:31:11 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Saturday, 31 December 2022 at 09:45:39 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Saturday, 31 December 2022 at 07:29:22 UTC, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 December 2022 at 21:43:34 UTC, Wolfgang Allinger wrote:
    On 30 Dec 22 at group /comp/lang/forth in article 6f7d41f7-38ed-4dbd...@googlegroups.com
    <jpit...@gmail.com> (Jurgen Pitaske) wrote:

    I wondered, who this Allinger guy is.
    well the Internet answers it, comments from Germany of people who know him:
    @JP You are bullshitting as usual. I don't know the troll KL and he didn't
    knows me, nor do you JauchePimmel.
    ...
    KL
    Reminds me of the great programs "Goodbye Germany" etc. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And the link where it comes from and the context:

    https://de.etc.beruf.selbstaendig.narkive.com/3g0SR0FE/ot-py070510-all
    @JP Falls Du den Thread komplett gelesen hast, dann wirst Du nicht einen
    einzigen finden, der den Dünnschiss von dem Troll KL irgendwie gut fand.
    Nur Du JauchePimmel Faulschlammwühler saugst Dir diesen Scheiss-Smoothie
    rein und stinkts dann natürlich aus Deinem verfaulten Schandmaul!


    -----------------------------------
    Sorry for the NonGermans, it's not worth reading or translate the fouly
    Bullshit from JP! JP aka JauchePimmel!

    Just for the records.
    Saludos (an alle Vernünftigen, Rest sh. sig)
    Wolfgang

    --
    Ich bin in Paraguay lebender Trollallergiker :) reply Adresse gesetzt! Ich diskutiere zukünftig weniger mit Idioten, denn sie ziehen mich auf
    ihr Niveau herunter und schlagen mich dort mit ihrer Erfahrung! :p (lt. alter usenet Weisheit) iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, iRak, iDiot
    AMEN.

    You are definitely improving on the size of your bullshit heap.
    And your wording underlines/exposes your ugly character.
    You now got the entertainment program you asked for.

    And I can now just lean back, shake my head and agree
    that this group is definitely the one with the largest collection of whatever you want to call them.

    And can sit back, get some of the Forth Books out that I published.
    And flick through them and learn something. Or just enjoy reading.
    Most of the published books are about Forth.
    This was at a time when I had a positive opinion about this community here.
    Nothing to do with the language, there are groups about Forth where normal people live.
    And I do appreciate working with the people wo wrote them and allowed to publish them,
    so they do not disappear.

    It is interesting to see as well, that basically none of them ever post here.

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the
    beginnings of this Computer Language
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the
    internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code
    tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit 86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
    Juergen Pintaske, publisher, status July 2020
    And as a bit of fun I looked once again at this group of Bestsellers on amazon
    https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_2?_encoding=UTF8&pg=2

    As of today 31 12 2022 9.27 - as it changes constantly
    11 of the books I published are in there today - most of them about Forth. 11 of the top 100 means 10%+ - not bad for a fun project of an outsider

    Some surprises regarding what people are interested in ...
    11 Pintaske - A Start with Forth ( not Starting Forth)
    26 Chuck - Programming a Problem Oriented Language
    42 Ting next - eForth Overview
    68 non-Forth - but about the much loved CDP1802 processor
    73 Ting - Zen and the Forth Language
    74 Ting - The Arduino controlled by eForth
    80 Pintaske - A Start with Forth ( not Starting Forth) as eBook
    83 Brad - Moving Forth
    88 Chuck - as eBook
    89 Ting - eForth and Zen
    98 non-Forth - Cheepit Sparrow

    It is just unfortunate, that Leo Brodie's eBook version of Starting Forth does not appear here to give him the credit he deserves https://www.amazon.co.uk/Starting-Forth-Leo-Brodie-ebook/dp/B01MS7YDKD
    But people probably download it foc as PDF from the Forth INC. website

    I can close this year now on the positive.
    Does this Forth Bookshelf support Forth?
    Let others judge.
    It seems it was a good idea
    to make people aware of this Forth Bookshelf again,
    as more is happening now at the beginning of 2023 as it seems.

    Not really for the specialists here, they know it all
    but for the ones interested in Forth
    or just want to have some of the PDFs as part of their bookshelf to flick through.

    UPDATE: THE INTEREST IN THE FORTH BOOKSHELF HAS INCREASED over the last week.
    STATUS OF THE INTEREST AS OF 02 01 2023 14.06 at https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-books-Amazon/zgbs/books/3970/ref=zg_bs_pg_1?_encoding=UTF8&pg=1

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf I published and some others and can be found at
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the beginnings of this Computer Language
    Position 19___1
    Position 95___2
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
    Position 36___3
    Position 84___4
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more

    ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
    Position 85___5
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler

    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
    Position 29___6
    Position 89___7
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
    MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
    Position 97___8
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit 86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
    Position 56___9
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
    Position 25___10
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP

    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
    Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
    Position 81 ___11
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth

    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
    Position 21___12
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?

    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
    Position 80___13
    23 Juergen Pintaske - BMP802 – CDP1802 Design Iteas Book

    Juergen Pintaske, publisher

    24 Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is the Classic.
    and a special.
    You find it on the Forth INC. website,
    but I asked Forth INC. at the time if we can have it available as eBook as well,
    which was granted. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01MS7YDKD?ref=em_1p_0_ti&ref_=pe_4028881_764361061

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 8 02:35:02 2023
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:04:10 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    24 Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is the Classic.
    and a special.
    You find it on the Forth INC. website,
    but I asked Forth INC. at the time if we can have it available as eBook as well,
    which was granted.

    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.

    https://www.forth.com/starting-forth/

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Lorem Ipsum on Sun Jan 8 22:50:41 2023
    On 8/01/2023 9:35 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:04:10 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    24 Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is the Classic.
    and a special.
    You find it on the Forth INC. website,
    but I asked Forth INC. at the time if we can have it available as eBook as well,
    which was granted.

    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.

    https://www.forth.com/starting-forth/

    Paying Amazon is the least you can do keep JP publishing...

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Oct 20, 2019, 7:20:09 PM

    > And if amazon stops - we own the copyright and my children
    > can publish the same elswhere - or just dump it all.
    >
    > As I could do now any time if I feel like - just hit the
    > unpublish button on all of them.

    Where would Forth be without him? Or us :)

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 8 03:38:12 2023
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 10:35:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:04:10 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    24 Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is the Classic.
    and a special.
    You find it on the Forth INC. website,
    but I asked Forth INC. at the time if we can have it available as eBook as well,
    which was granted.
    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.

    https://www.forth.com/starting-forth/

    --

    Rick C.

    -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    Please try to find your reading glasses -
    The hint to Forth INC. is what I had posted as well already.

    And in addition you can download it as free PDF from my website. http://www.exemark.com/FORTH.htm
    I first made it as PDF - as well showing that Forth INC agreed to this.
    In 2013,
    and this link had been posted many times over the years.
    Here and in many other places - free to download.
    This was actually available there on my website
    BEFORE the material was available on the Forth INC. website.

    This was my start of making Forth material available on amazon.
    If you know how to use google you can find much of the Forth material
    free on the Internet - but not as bound book.
    And I had quite a few Thank You emails over the years to be able to get them as books.

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 8 05:05:54 2023
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 12:22:18 UTC, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:50:44 PM UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.
    Oh, that's very clear. I don't know why JP keeps spamming the likes
    of us here - since not only do we know *where* we can get it for free -
    we probably all have a collection of those PDFs anyway.

    Hans Bezemer

    Very simply put , so you understand it as well:

    There are people on this planet - except you as you state of course,
    who do not know what to search for about Forth if they are interested and want to get started.
    And this helps.
    I started this Forth Bookshelf for fun,
    when I did consulting work for MPE,
    and it just continued.
    I might do a few more in the future.

    There are more than 450 views here,
    so slightly more than the few who posted here ...

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to dxforth on Sun Jan 8 04:22:16 2023
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:50:44 PM UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.
    Oh, that's very clear. I don't know why JP keeps spamming the likes
    of us here - since not only do we know *where* we can get it for free -
    we probably all have a collection of those PDFs anyway.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to dxforth on Sun Jan 8 04:55:46 2023
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 11:50:44 UTC, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/01/2023 9:35 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:04:10 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    24 Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is the Classic.
    and a special.
    You find it on the Forth INC. website,
    but I asked Forth INC. at the time if we can have it available as eBook as well,
    which was granted.

    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.

    https://www.forth.com/starting-forth/
    Paying Amazon is the least you can do keep JP publishing...

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Oct 20, 2019, 7:20:09 PM

    And if amazon stops - we own the copyright and my children
    can publish the same elswhere - or just dump it all.

    As I could do now any time if I feel like - just hit the
    unpublish button on all of them.

    Where would Forth be without him? Or us :)


    I am not sure where you found this -
    It was 2019 when PETER FART or better correctly Minut
    had his rants about my Forth Bookshelf.
    I did the work,
    you can like it or not - but some do
    and the little it brings back is the fun bit.
    I am sure nobody of you ever bought one.
    The Forth group is so small.

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 8 10:51:03 2023
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:55:48 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 11:50:44 UTC, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/01/2023 9:35 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:04:10 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    24 Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is the Classic.
    and a special.
    You find it on the Forth INC. website,
    but I asked Forth INC. at the time if we can have it available as eBook as well,
    which was granted.

    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.

    https://www.forth.com/starting-forth/
    Paying Amazon is the least you can do keep JP publishing...

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Oct 20, 2019, 7:20:09 PM

    And if amazon stops - we own the copyright and my children
    can publish the same elswhere - or just dump it all.

    As I could do now any time if I feel like - just hit the
    unpublish button on all of them.

    Where would Forth be without him? Or us :)
    I am not sure where you found this -
    It was 2019 when PETER FART or better correctly Minut
    had his rants about my Forth Bookshelf.
    I did the work,
    you can like it or not - but some do
    and the little it brings back is the fun bit.
    I am sure nobody of you ever bought one.
    The Forth group is so small.

    I bought the book. Don't look at it anymore. I use the standard document.

    When I need to write VHDL, I have to refresh my memory on syntax and details. Tons of good stuff on the web. Sometimes existing sites fade away though and you have to find and learn new ones. That's a shame.

    When I want to write Forth, I've yet to find a good web site for refreshing one's memory... assuming I still have one. So the standard, with my notes, is pretty much all I've got. Teaching tools are not so good for references. What is more useful is a
    "how to" guide that can lead you to the various techniques. I've not really seen that for Forth. I think it's partly because of the Maverick nature of Forth. Forth people do things very differently. I mean, the language has only the most basic array
    support. That says a lot!

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 8 12:40:38 2023
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 18:51:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:55:48 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 11:50:44 UTC, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/01/2023 9:35 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:04:10 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    24 Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is the Classic.
    and a special.
    You find it on the Forth INC. website,
    but I asked Forth INC. at the time if we can have it available as eBook as well,
    which was granted.

    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.

    https://www.forth.com/starting-forth/
    Paying Amazon is the least you can do keep JP publishing...

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Oct 20, 2019, 7:20:09 PM

    And if amazon stops - we own the copyright and my children
    can publish the same elswhere - or just dump it all.

    As I could do now any time if I feel like - just hit the
    unpublish button on all of them.

    Where would Forth be without him? Or us :)
    I am not sure where you found this -
    It was 2019 when PETER FART or better correctly Minut
    had his rants about my Forth Bookshelf.
    I did the work,
    you can like it or not - but some do
    and the little it brings back is the fun bit.
    I am sure nobody of you ever bought one.
    The Forth group is so small.
    I bought the book. Don't look at it anymore. I use the standard document.

    When I need to write VHDL, I have to refresh my memory on syntax and details. Tons of good stuff on the web. Sometimes existing sites fade away though and you have to find and learn new ones. That's a shame.

    When I want to write Forth, I've yet to find a good web site for refreshing one's memory... assuming I still have one. So the standard, with my notes, is pretty much all I've got. Teaching tools are not so good for references. What is more useful is a "
    how to" guide that can lead you to the various techniques. I've not really seen that for Forth. I think it's partly because of the Maverick nature of Forth. Forth people do things very differently. I mean, the language has only the most basic array
    support. That says a lot!

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    You bought the print book "Starting Forth" from my Bookshelf on amazon?
    This is really a nice thing to know.
    Thank You.
    This is a real Special.
    But I was more aiming at Beginners in Forth with this Forth Bookshelf.

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Sun Jan 8 14:11:40 2023
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 3:40:40 PM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 18:51:05 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:55:48 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, 8 January 2023 at 11:50:44 UTC, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/01/2023 9:35 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 5:04:10 AM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    24 Starting Forth by Leo Brodie is the Classic.
    and a special.
    You find it on the Forth INC. website,
    but I asked Forth INC. at the time if we can have it available as eBook as well,
    which was granted.

    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.

    https://www.forth.com/starting-forth/
    Paying Amazon is the least you can do keep JP publishing...

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Oct 20, 2019, 7:20:09 PM

    And if amazon stops - we own the copyright and my children
    can publish the same elswhere - or just dump it all.

    As I could do now any time if I feel like - just hit the
    unpublish button on all of them.

    Where would Forth be without him? Or us :)
    I am not sure where you found this -
    It was 2019 when PETER FART or better correctly Minut
    had his rants about my Forth Bookshelf.
    I did the work,
    you can like it or not - but some do
    and the little it brings back is the fun bit.
    I am sure nobody of you ever bought one.
    The Forth group is so small.
    I bought the book. Don't look at it anymore. I use the standard document.

    When I need to write VHDL, I have to refresh my memory on syntax and details. Tons of good stuff on the web. Sometimes existing sites fade away though and you have to find and learn new ones. That's a shame.

    When I want to write Forth, I've yet to find a good web site for refreshing one's memory... assuming I still have one. So the standard, with my notes, is pretty much all I've got. Teaching tools are not so good for references. What is more useful is
    a "how to" guide that can lead you to the various techniques. I've not really seen that for Forth. I think it's partly because of the Maverick nature of Forth. Forth people do things very differently. I mean, the language has only the most basic array
    support. That says a lot!

    --

    Rick C.

    -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
    You bought the print book "Starting Forth" from my Bookshelf on amazon?

    Of course not. I bought it years ago when I was a beginner.


    This is really a nice thing to know.
    Thank You.

    I guess you are welcome.


    This is a real Special.
    But I was more aiming at Beginners in Forth with this Forth Bookshelf.

    I expect you will find them.

    --

    Rick C.

    +- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Hans Bezemer on Mon Jan 9 12:54:25 2023
    On 8/01/2023 11:22 pm, Hans Bezemer wrote:
    On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 12:50:44 PM UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    Or you can get it without paying Amazon anything.
    Oh, that's very clear. I don't know why JP keeps spamming the likes
    of us here - since not only do we know *where* we can get it for free -
    we probably all have a collection of those PDFs anyway.

    He hasn't told us how many units he's sold - which would be more
    informative and a better measure of interest than rankings in an
    obscure category such as 'Compiler Design'. For all we know, the
    change in rankings is but noise.

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 9 08:42:21 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:54:28 AM UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    Uh.. in 2023 - where would beginners start? Google? https://www.google.com/search?q=Free+books+on+Forth

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 9 09:28:51 2023
    On Monday, 9 January 2023 at 16:42:23 UTC, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:54:28 AM UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    Uh.. in 2023 - where would beginners start? Google? https://www.google.com/search?q=Free+books+on+Forth

    Hans Bezemer


    Great post and link,
    leads to my book on the MPE website:

    Copied from there:

    Forth Lite Tutorial - Juergen Pintaske

    A Forth Tutorial based around the free MPE VFX Forth.
    The code will also work on nearly all modern Forths that adhere to the ANS and/or Forth200x standards.
    The material is derived from a tutorial by Leo Wong.

    Learning by Doing.

    The best way to learn the computer language Forth is to try it out.

    As is is interactive, you see the results immediatly.
    You'll find the questions and the answers in the eBook.
    You can also download the MPE Forth Compiler software, try out the examples
    - and then design and try your own examples.

    Available as an eBook (Kindle edition) from Amazon.

    Unfortunately not updated there - now as well available as Print book...

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 9 13:21:59 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 6:28:52 PM UTC+1, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    The material is derived from a tutorial by Leo Wong.
    Of course it is ;-)

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 9 14:53:09 2023
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:28:52 PM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 9 January 2023 at 16:42:23 UTC, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:54:28 AM UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    Uh.. in 2023 - where would beginners start? Google? https://www.google.com/search?q=Free+books+on+Forth

    Hans Bezemer
    Great post and link,
    leads to my book on the MPE website:

    Copied from there:

    Forth Lite Tutorial - Juergen Pintaske

    A Forth Tutorial based around the free MPE VFX Forth.
    The code will also work on nearly all modern Forths that adhere to the ANS and/or Forth200x standards.
    The material is derived from a tutorial by Leo Wong.

    Learning by Doing.

    The best way to learn the computer language Forth is to try it out.

    As is is interactive, you see the results immediatly.
    You'll find the questions and the answers in the eBook.
    You can also download the MPE Forth Compiler software, try out the examples - and then design and try your own examples.

    Interactivity makes the learning loop shorter, but not always easier. You can learn about maybe half the forth vocabulary this way, things like . and @ and !, etc. The other half is much more esoteric and really needs good books to learn from. I think
    this has always been very lacking and I don't see an end in sight. This in no small part due to the nature of "every man for himself" when it comes to getting things done, that are already done for you in other languages.

    Individuality is both a plus in Forth, and a minus.

    --

    Rick C.

    ++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    ++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Mon Jan 9 23:56:05 2023
    On Monday, 9 January 2023 at 22:53:10 UTC, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:28:52 PM UTC-5, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 9 January 2023 at 16:42:23 UTC, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 2:54:28 AM UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    Uh.. in 2023 - where would beginners start? Google? https://www.google.com/search?q=Free+books+on+Forth

    Hans Bezemer
    Great post and link,
    leads to my book on the MPE website:

    Copied from there:

    Forth Lite Tutorial - Juergen Pintaske

    A Forth Tutorial based around the free MPE VFX Forth.
    The code will also work on nearly all modern Forths that adhere to the ANS and/or Forth200x standards.
    The material is derived from a tutorial by Leo Wong.

    Learning by Doing.

    The best way to learn the computer language Forth is to try it out.

    As is is interactive, you see the results immediatly.
    You'll find the questions and the answers in the eBook.
    You can also download the MPE Forth Compiler software, try out the examples
    - and then design and try your own examples.
    Interactivity makes the learning loop shorter, but not always easier. You can learn about maybe half the forth vocabulary this way, things like . and @ and !, etc. The other half is much more esoteric and really needs good books to learn from. I think
    this has always been very lacking and I don't see an end in sight. This in no small part due to the nature of "every man for himself" when it comes to getting things done, that are already done for you in other languages.

    Individuality is both a plus in Forth, and a minus.

    --

    Rick C.

    ++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    ++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    It is really unfortunate, that after more than 50 years of Forth,
    there are still no well defined and well prepared routes,
    to get interested parties from start to finish.
    At least to a certain level.

    And at least to my limited knowledge.
    Please correct me if there are
    and post the links to help others.

    The commercal Forth companies seem to have never been big enough to invest there either.
    Or the different Forth groups.
    When I entered the Forth community about 10 years ago, I had the same problem to learn.
    I do own the original Starting Forth,
    given to me as a Thank You by a happy customer in the UK many moons ago,
    and started my Forth Bookshelf to help a little bit there, during my learning and for others, a fun project.
    I got great support from many, especially the German Forth-eV.de.

    And I do appreciate very much the ok
    from the many people who generated the material,
    so I could go through the work to convert them for publishing on amazon.
    A lot more work than I had anticipated.
    They appreciated my interest in their work and to have it visible worldwide.
    as part of a collection in one place,
    as eBook,
    and as print book.
    And people who want it all for free, just use your search engine.
    So all aspects are covered.

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 10 01:32:42 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:56:07 AM UTC+1, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    It is really unfortunate, that after more than 50 years of Forth,
    there are still no well defined and well prepared routes,
    to get interested parties from start to finish.
    At least to a certain level.
    IMHO, it always starts like this:
    - Cool thingy - let's see how it works;
    - Great! I can write 5 or 10 starts on the screen - this is easy;
    - Now lets try to write a real program.

    1. It doesn't work - stack overflow or underflow;
    2. Bring in ROLL and PICK in order to pick up a few bad habits on the way;
    3. Let's add some more code to this function like we do in Python;
    4. Breaks apart completely;
    5. .S doesn't offer much insight;
    6. More "2DUP TYPE";
    7. More "We're here!";
    8. I don't like this - it was so much easier to do in Python;
    9. Let's do Python.

    Most of 'em break down before they start filling in the missing
    functionality.

    Forth is hard. I tried very much to document proper ways to approach
    this language - as I see the way it should be done. There's lots of horrible code out there - even from veterans. And although I don't consider myself
    to be one of the worst - often people find ingenious ways to vastly improve
    my code.

    But that's good. It builds humility and offers a fresh new view of how
    things can be done.

    I take off my hat, bow deeply and say thank you ;-)

    Hans Bezemer

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