• DXForth info?

    From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Mon Sep 26 00:20:58 2022
    Tongue in cheek said after another dreadful reply:

    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:19:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 7:46 am, Wayne morellini wrote:


    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022, 20:57 Hans Bezemer, <the.bee...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Ok, imagine you have been revealed a great TRUTH - I suppose a religious one.

    You read about that?

    makes
    you feel very special, because you have knowledge that other people do NOT have. This

    Well, I suppose so, if I could only get it out there. But to me it is a duty. I'm not ...


    Some folks feel it's their duty to shoot down wannabe messiahs. I guess that makes it even.

    Good, you admit you are being an a. The alternative messiah, saving people from having good done.

    Anybody got the real name of DX, and which business he works for?

    Your problem is, that Hans does not hide behind a made up name. So people can see it's him, and what he is doing. Not lurking around doing whatever they want anonymously. It's only fair that anonymity, does not hide that which should not be hidden too
    much.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Mon Sep 26 19:34:35 2022
    On 26/09/2022 5:20 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Tongue in cheek said after another dreadful reply:

    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:19:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 7:46 am, Wayne morellini wrote:


    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022, 20:57 Hans Bezemer, <the.bee...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote: >>> Ok, imagine you have been revealed a great TRUTH - I suppose a religious one.

    You read about that?

    makes
    you feel very special, because you have knowledge that other people do NOT have. This

    Well, I suppose so, if I could only get it out there. But to me it is a duty. I'm not ...


    Some folks feel it's their duty to shoot down wannabe messiahs. I guess that >> makes it even.

    Good, you admit you are being an a. The alternative messiah, saving people from having good done.

    You know what's good for others? Let's just say you've told us enough for us to
    work that out for ourselves.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Tue Sep 27 12:55:59 2022
    On 26/09/2022 5:20 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:

    Anybody got the real name of DX, and which business he works for?
    You want to employ me? No thanks.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Mon Sep 26 23:18:13 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:56:05 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 5:20 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:

    You want to employ me?..

    No, l'm fine enough.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Tue Sep 27 16:45:34 2022
    On 27/09/2022 4:18 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:56:05 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 5:20 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:

    You want to employ me?..

    No, l'm fine enough.

    Then you won't be needing anyone's details. If someone wishes to use their real name on a newsgroup, tell the world of their travails and make a general goose of themselves, it's their poor decision - not mine.

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Tue Sep 27 01:13:12 2022
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:21:00 AM UTC-4, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Tongue in cheek said after another dreadful reply:
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:19:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 7:46 am, Wayne morellini wrote:


    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022, 20:57 Hans Bezemer, <the.bee...@gmail.com> wrote: On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Ok, imagine you have been revealed a great TRUTH - I suppose a religious one.

    You read about that?

    makes
    you feel very special, because you have knowledge that other people do NOT have. This

    Well, I suppose so, if I could only get it out there. But to me it is a duty. I'm not ...

    Some folks feel it's their duty to shoot down wannabe messiahs. I guess that
    makes it even.
    Good, you admit you are being an a. The alternative messiah, saving people from having good done.

    Anybody got the real name of DX, and which business he works for?

    Your problem is, that Hans does not hide behind a made up name. So people can see it's him, and what he is doing. Not lurking around doing whatever they want anonymously. It's only fair that anonymity, does not hide that which should not be hidden too
    much.

    Yeup. We have Hugh back! Well, a second rate Hugh, but that's better than no Hugh at all, no?

    --

    Rick C.

    +--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Tue Sep 27 01:49:41 2022
    On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:21:00 UTC+1, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Tongue in cheek said after another dreadful reply:
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:19:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 7:46 am, Wayne morellini wrote:


    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022, 20:57 Hans Bezemer, <the.bee...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Ok, imagine you have been revealed a great TRUTH - I suppose a religious one.

    You read about that?

    makes
    you feel very special, because you have knowledge that other people do NOT have. This

    Well, I suppose so, if I could only get it out there. But to me it is a duty. I'm not ...

    Some folks feel it's their duty to shoot down wannabe messiahs. I guess that
    makes it even.
    Good, you admit you are being an a. The alternative messiah, saving people from having good done.

    Anybody got the real name of DX, and which business he works for?

    Your problem is, that Hans does not hide behind a made up name.
    So people can see it's him, and what he is doing.
    Not lurking around doing whatever they want anonymously.
    It's only fair that anonymity, does not hide that which should not be hidden too much.


    I would guess this might be a starting point according to google? http://dxforth.mirrors.minimaltype.com/

    or here
    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.cpm/c/YP-0H_d0ZHY

    or here
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/cpm-vtdozer-dxforth/

    or here
    http://computer-programming-forum.com/22-forth/e8bc2073065ba8b4.htm

    and as the last link is 22 years old,
    my guess is that DXFORTH is a pensioner now.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 27 02:41:31 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:49:43 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:

    Is the author of the stack machine book still around? An section on new architectures would be good, with designs on archive.org. Jecel over in Brazil was doing some interesting object orientated fpga processor design for his school computer. I don't
    remember if it was a stack related machine

    Thanks

    Wayne.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Tue Sep 27 02:33:04 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 4:45:40 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 4:18 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:56:05 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 5:20 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:

    You want to employ me?..

    No, l'm fine enough.
    Then you won't be needing anyone's details. If someone wishes to use their real name on a newsgroup, tell the world of their travails and make a general goose of themselves, it's their poor decision - not mine.

    If a fool of an idiot chooses to harrass people, it's definitely his poor decision and bad faith.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Tue Sep 27 02:32:48 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:49:43 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:21:00 UTC+1, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Tongue in cheek said after another dreadful reply:
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:19:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 7:46 am, Wayne morellini wrote:


    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022, 20:57 Hans Bezemer, <the.bee...@gmail.com> wrote: On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Ok, imagine you have been revealed a great TRUTH - I suppose a religious one.

    You read about that?

    makes
    you feel very special, because you have knowledge that other people do NOT have. This

    Well, I suppose so, if I could only get it out there. But to me it is a duty. I'm not ...

    Some folks feel it's their duty to shoot down wannabe messiahs. I guess that
    makes it even.
    Good, you admit you are being an a. The alternative messiah, saving people from having good done.

    Anybody got the real name of DX, and which business he works for?

    Your problem is, that Hans does not hide behind a made up name.
    So people can see it's him, and what he is doing.
    Not lurking around doing whatever they want anonymously.
    It's only fair that anonymity, does not hide that which should not be hidden too much.
    I would guess this might be a starting point according to google? http://dxforth.mirrors.minimaltype.com/

    or here
    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.cpm/c/YP-0H_d0ZHY

    or here
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/cpm-vtdozer-dxforth/

    or here
    http://computer-programming-forum.com/22-forth/e8bc2073065ba8b4.htm

    and as the last link is 22 years old,
    my guess is that DXFORTH is a pensioner now.

    At last, a sensible person. Thanks for the info, and the book. I ordered the other night.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Tue Sep 27 22:50:00 2022
    On 27/09/2022 7:33 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 4:45:40 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 4:18 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 12:56:05 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 5:20 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:

    You want to employ me?..

    No, l'm fine enough.
    Then you won't be needing anyone's details. If someone wishes to use their >> real name on a newsgroup, tell the world of their travails and make a general
    goose of themselves, it's their poor decision - not mine.

    If a fool of an idiot chooses to harrass people, it's definitely his poor decision and bad faith.

    You're saying you'll stop at nothing if you feel aggrieved. I got
    that when you launched this thread. Your moderator would likely
    have pulled it immediately.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Tue Sep 27 22:52:40 2022
    On 27/09/2022 6:49 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:21:00 UTC+1, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Tongue in cheek said after another dreadful reply:
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:19:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 7:46 am, Wayne morellini wrote:


    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022, 20:57 Hans Bezemer, <the.bee...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Ok, imagine you have been revealed a great TRUTH - I suppose a religious one.

    You read about that?

    makes
    you feel very special, because you have knowledge that other people do NOT have. This

    Well, I suppose so, if I could only get it out there. But to me it is a duty. I'm not ...

    Some folks feel it's their duty to shoot down wannabe messiahs. I guess that
    makes it even.
    Good, you admit you are being an a. The alternative messiah, saving people from having good done.

    Anybody got the real name of DX, and which business he works for?

    Your problem is, that Hans does not hide behind a made up name.
    So people can see it's him, and what he is doing.
    Not lurking around doing whatever they want anonymously.
    It's only fair that anonymity, does not hide that which should not be hidden too much.


    I would guess this might be a starting point according to google? http://dxforth.mirrors.minimaltype.com/

    or here
    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.cpm/c/YP-0H_d0ZHY

    or here
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/cpm-vtdozer-dxforth/

    or here
    http://computer-programming-forum.com/22-forth/e8bc2073065ba8b4.htm

    and as the last link is 22 years old,
    my guess is that DXFORTH is a pensioner now.

    Is that it - no record of being sacked for bad behaviour? How about you?

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Lorem Ipsum on Tue Sep 27 23:48:17 2022
    On 27/09/2022 6:13 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:

    Yeup. We have Hugh back! Well, a second rate Hugh, but that's better than no Hugh at all, no?

    Hugh was also a genius. But when he couldn't raise an army to create his new forth
    standard, he left. He told us to get up off our knees. One has to admire that.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Tue Sep 27 06:42:18 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:50:06 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 7:33 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    ..

    chooses to harrass people, it's definitely his poor decision and bad faith. You're saying you'll stop at nothing if you feel aggrieved. I got
    that when you launched this thread. Your moderator would likely
    have pulled it immediately.

    Now, don't go reading into things what's not there. I've left the quote in so people can see what was said. I wouldn't mind having employees who also don't do this.

    Any competent moderator would have pulled you up before. You can not see it.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Tue Sep 27 06:47:42 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:52:46 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 6:49 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 08:21:00 UTC+1, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Tongue in cheek said after another dreadful reply:
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:19:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 7:46 am, Wayne morellini wrote:


    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022, 20:57 Hans Bezemer, <the.bee...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Ok, imagine you have been revealed a great TRUTH - I suppose a religious one.

    You read about that?

    makes
    you feel very special, because you have knowledge that other people do NOT have. This

    Well, I suppose so, if I could only get it out there. But to me it is a duty. I'm not ...

    Some folks feel it's their duty to shoot down wannabe messiahs. I guess that
    makes it even.
    Good, you admit you are being an a. The alternative messiah, saving people from having good done.

    Anybody got the real name of DX, and which business he works for?

    Your problem is, that Hans does not hide behind a made up name.
    So people can see it's him, and what he is doing.
    Not lurking around doing whatever they want anonymously.
    It's only fair that anonymity, does not hide that which should not be hidden too much.


    I would guess this might be a starting point according to google? http://dxforth.mirrors.minimaltype.com/

    or here
    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.cpm/c/YP-0H_d0ZHY

    or here
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/cpm-vtdozer-dxforth/

    or here
    http://computer-programming-forum.com/22-forth/e8bc2073065ba8b4.htm

    and as the last link is 22 years old,
    my guess is that DXFORTH is a pensioner now.
    Is that it - no record of being sacked for bad behaviour? ..

    Some people are aggrieved at very slight behaviour, some tolerant at very serious behaviour, and simply put up with the former and later.

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to dxforth on Tue Sep 27 10:07:26 2022
    On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 14:48:18 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 6:13 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:

    Yeup. We have Hugh back! Well, a second rate Hugh, but that's better than no Hugh at all, no?
    Hugh was also a genius. But when he couldn't raise an army to create his new forth
    standard, he left. He told us to get up off our knees. One has to admire that.


    There is unfortunately not much Forth in here.
    So let us add at least some Forth documentation

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the beginnings of this Computer Language
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the
    internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
    ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
    MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit
    86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
    Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
    Juergen Pintaske, publisher, July 2020

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Tue Sep 27 10:39:25 2022
    On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 18:31:00 UTC+1, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:48:18 AM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 6:13 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:

    Yeup. We have Hugh back! Well, a second rate Hugh, but that's better than no Hugh at all, no?
    Hugh was also a genius. But when he couldn't raise an army to create his new forth
    standard, he left. He told us to get up off our knees. One has to admire that.
    Ted Kaczynski was a genius too. Similar approaches to life, even if the tools are different.

    I find it funny that Hugh... I mean Wayne, thinks he can terrorize people by providing their names and personal info, as if anyone would care about their behavior here, when it is Hugh... I mean Wayne, who is showing a side that would cause any HR to
    drop him like a hot potato.

    --

    Rick C.

    +--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    AGAIN - nothing related to Forth, just private battles
    so at least for the readers who might like Forth some link

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the beginnings of this Computer Language
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
    ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
    MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit
    86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
    Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
    Juergen Pintaske, publisher, July 2020

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Tue Sep 27 10:54:35 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:31:00 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:


    ..

    Yes, making other people's threads and efforts about oneself following them around stalking and harassing them like an obsessive nutter, is really going go down well in HR. Funny definition of what ok behaviour looks like.

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to dxforth on Tue Sep 27 10:30:58 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:48:18 AM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 6:13 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:

    Yeup. We have Hugh back! Well, a second rate Hugh, but that's better than no Hugh at all, no?
    Hugh was also a genius. But when he couldn't raise an army to create his new forth
    standard, he left. He told us to get up off our knees. One has to admire that.

    Ted Kaczynski was a genius too. Similar approaches to life, even if the tools are different.

    I find it funny that Hugh... I mean Wayne, thinks he can terrorize people by providing their names and personal info, as if anyone would care about their behavior here, when it is Hugh... I mean Wayne, who is showing a side that would cause any HR to
    drop him like a hot potato.

    --

    Rick C.

    +--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Tue Sep 27 11:06:00 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:31:00 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    ..

    Ted Kaczynski was a genius

    ..

    Rick C.

    +--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    I am sorry you are not a genius.

    Richard Collins Artemis, but you can stop at anytime and not further this public conduct (of your terminology) "terrorizing" others. You don't do it by private email, instead, you are publically ruining somebody, needlessly. You also overreact to
    somebody unearthing those attacking from the shadows of the the darkness, wrecking the forum by trying to get a stream of posts produced, in the hopes it will not be you people turn off of. Am I wrong? You can bare your own humiliation for your own
    actions, and that goes for a few others too. A disgraceful episode. You have been able to stop at a any time, and offer a face saving full apology for what has been done, and how it's been done.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Tue Sep 27 11:21:31 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:07:28 AM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 14:48:18 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    On 27/09/2022 6:13 pm, Lorem Ipsum wrote:

    Yeup. We have Hugh back! Well, a second rate Hugh, but that's better than no Hugh at all, no?
    Hugh was also a genius. But when he couldn't raise an army to create his new forth
    standard, he left. He told us to get up off our knees. One has to admire that.
    There is unfortunately not much Forth in here.
    So let us add at least some Forth documentation

    The Forth Bookshelf
    This is part of the current Forth Bookshelf and some others and can be found at
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Juergen-Pintaske/e/B00N8HVEZM

    1 Charles Moore - Forth - The Early Years: Background information about the beginnings of this Computer Language
    2 Charles Moore - Programming A Problem Oriented Language: Forth - how the internals work
    3 Leo Brodie - Starting Forth -The Classic
    4 Leo Wong – Juergen Pintaske – Stephen Pelc FORTH LITE TUTORIAL: Code tested with free MPE VFX Forth, SwiftForth and Gforth
    5 Juergen Pintaske – A START WITH FORTH - Bits to Bites Collection
    – 12 Words to start, then 35 Words, Javascript Forth on the Web, more
    ( 6 Stephen Pelc - Programming Forth: Version July 2016 )
    7 Brad Rodriguez - Moving Forth / TTL CPU / B.Y.O. Assembler
    8 Tim Hentlass - Real Time Forth

    9 Chen-Hanson Ting - Footsteps In An Empty Valley issue 3
    10 Chen-Hanson Ting - Zen and the Forth Language: EFORTH for the
    MSP430G2552 from Texas Instruments
    11 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth and Zen - 3rd Edition 2017: with 32-bit 86eForth v5.2 for Visual Studio 2015
    12 Chen-Hanson Ting - eForth Overview
    13 Chen-Hanson Ting - FIG-Forth Manual Document /Test in 1802 IP
    14 Chen-Hanson Ting - EP32 RISC Processor IP: Description and
    Implementation into FPGA – ASIC tested by NASA
    15 Chen-Hanson Ting – Irriducible Complexity
    16 Chen-Hanson Ting - Arduino controlled by eForth
    17 Chen-Hanson Ting – eForth as Arduino Sketch – no Programmer needed

    ( 18 Burkhard Kainka - Learning Programming with MyCo: )
    Learning Programming easily - independent of a PC (Forth code to follow soon)
    ( 19 Burkhard Kainka - BBC Micro:bit: Tests Tricks Secrets Code, Additional MicroBit )
    information when running the Mecrisp Package
    ( 20 Burkhard Kainka – Thomas Baum – Web Programming ATYTINY13 )
    21 Georg Heinrichs - The ATTINY Project – Why Forth?
    22 Dr. Karl Meinzer - IPS, a Forth-like language for Space
    Juergen Pintaske, publisher, July 2020


    Thanks for the links Juergen. Yes, they like forth so much, they take things off topic, and insert themselves and hand out strange advice at other times, and won't accept people have their own opinion or ability or knowledge, or that such advice is
    counter productive or just wrong. In generalisation about elements over a series of conduct by different people over the decades of the history of Usenet and the group, instead, it's all about them standing on things, and filling up the gap they made in
    genuine Forth stuff, but pretend like they are not the ones side tracking. Just strange.

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Tue Sep 27 12:25:41 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 2:06:03 PM UTC-4, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:31:00 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    ..
    Ted Kaczynski was a genius
    ..
    Rick C.

    +--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
    I am sorry you are not a genius.

    Richard Collins Artemis, but you can stop at anytime and not further this public conduct (of your terminology) "terrorizing" others. You don't do it by private email, instead, you are publically ruining somebody, needlessly. You also overreact to
    somebody unearthing those attacking from the shadows of the the darkness, wrecking the forum by trying to get a stream of posts produced, in the hopes it will not be you people turn off of. Am I wrong? You can bare your own humiliation for your own
    actions, and that goes for a few others too. A disgraceful episode. You have been able to stop at a any time, and offer a face saving full apology for what has been done, and how it's been done.

    Someone tell me this isn't Hugh with a new nym!

    --

    Rick C.

    +-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Zbig@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 27 15:47:07 2022
    Someone tell me this isn't Hugh with a new nym!

    No, I'm afraid this isn't Hugh with a new nym: http://www.strangegizmo.com/forth/MISC/msg00321.html

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to Zbig on Tue Sep 27 17:21:14 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:47:09 AM UTC+10, Zbig wrote:
    ..
    No, I'm afraid this isn't Hugh with a new nym: http://www.strangegizmo.com/forth/MISC/msg00321.html

    That person really missed the point. Probably why Forth lingered after Chuck. Not many people with a real rational imagination. Had to be said, this pointless childish harrassment had gone on long enough, with maybe not one example of real practical
    imagination.

    Hugh must be a really smart person from what you say.

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Tue Sep 27 18:04:12 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:28:46 PM UTC-4, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:25:03 AM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:

    Sorry for the duplicate, I must have tapped on the reply accidentally, and thought it was an unsent post.

    There's some humor in the fact, that of all the posts you've made here, you apologize for this one.

    --

    Rick C.

    +-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +-++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Tue Sep 27 17:24:40 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 5:25:43 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    ..

    Someone tell me this isn't Hugh with a new nym!

    --

    Rick C.


    Fisherman Richard Collins Artemis. No use trawling.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Tue Sep 27 17:25:02 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:21:15 AM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:47:09 AM UTC+10, Zbig wrote:
    ..
    No, I'm afraid this isn't Hugh with a new nym: http://www.strangegizmo.com/forth/MISC/msg00321.html
    That person really missed the point. Probably why Forth lingered after Chuck. Not many people with a real rational imagination. Had to be said, this pointless childish harrassment had gone on long enough, with maybe not one example of real practical
    imagination.

    Hugh must be a really smart person from what you say.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 27 17:28:44 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:25:03 AM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:

    Sorry for the duplicate, I must have tapped on the reply accidentally, and thought it was an unsent post.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Wed Sep 28 13:41:59 2022
    On 28/09/2022 10:21 am, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:47:09 AM UTC+10, Zbig wrote:
    ..
    No, I'm afraid this isn't Hugh with a new nym: http://www.strangegizmo.com/forth/MISC/msg00321.html

    That person really missed the point. Probably why Forth lingered after Chuck. Not many people with a real rational imagination. Had to be said, this pointless childish harrassment had gone on long enough, with maybe not one example of real practical
    imagination.


    Who knew Forth's problem was 'unreal impractical imagination'.

    Hugh must be a really smart person from what you say.

    Smart enough to not say things that would certify him.

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  • From Gerry Jackson@21:1/5 to Lorem Ipsum on Wed Sep 28 07:21:21 2022
    On 27/09/2022 09:13, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 3:21:00 AM UTC-4, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Tongue in cheek said after another dreadful reply:
    On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:19:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 26/09/2022 7:46 am, Wayne morellini wrote:


    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022, 20:57 Hans Bezemer, <the.bee...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Ok, imagine you have been revealed a great TRUTH - I suppose a religious one.

    You read about that?

    makes
    you feel very special, because you have knowledge that other people do NOT have. This

    Well, I suppose so, if I could only get it out there. But to me it is a duty. I'm not ...

    Some folks feel it's their duty to shoot down wannabe messiahs. I guess that
    makes it even.
    Good, you admit you are being an a. The alternative messiah, saving people from having good done.

    Anybody got the real name of DX, and which business he works for?

    Your problem is, that Hans does not hide behind a made up name. So people can see it's him, and what he is doing. Not lurking around doing whatever they want anonymously. It's only fair that anonymity, does not hide that which should not be hidden too
    much.

    Yeup. We have Hugh back! Well, a second rate Hugh, but that's better than no Hugh at all, no?


    No Hughs is good Hughs

    --
    Gerry

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Wed Sep 28 01:16:31 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 1:42:05 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 28/09/2022 10:21 am, Wayne morellini wrote:

    ..

    Probably why Forth lingered after Chuck. Not many people with a real rational imagination. Had to be said, this pointless childish harrassment had gone on long enough, with maybe not one example of real practical imagination.
    ..
    Who knew Forth's problem was 'unreal impractical imagination'.

    People with real intelligence?

    No seriously, what have you guys ever contributed here, apart from carrying on about very little? I know "vaporware" intelligence when I see it. Don't bother trying to market that stuff here!

    Hugh must be a really smart person from what you say.
    Smart enough to not say things that would certify him.

    Or others? Come on, give an example?

    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:04:14 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:28:46 PM UTC-4, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:25:03 AM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:

    Sorry for the duplicate, I must have tapped on the reply accidentally, and thought it was an unsent post.
    There's some humour in the fact, that of all the posts you've made here, you apologize for this

    More Pettiness. Because it's others which need appologies for.


    Have any of you guys ever programmed a retro game in Colorforth?

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Wed Sep 28 01:40:29 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:16:33 AM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    No seriously, what have you guys ever contributed here, apart from carrying on about
    very little? I know "vaporware" intelligence when I see it. Don't bother trying to market
    that stuff here!
    Actually, most of the people here have:
    (a) Written and maintained their own compiler (most of 'em for DECADES);
    (b) Frequently published code here (although I regret that is lacking lately); (c) Contributed to the community and standards regarding Forth.

    That is a LOT more than publishing long posts about absolutely NOTHING and from it
    absolutely producing NOTHING. So I think a bit of humility and respect is well in place.

    I absolutely agree that things can get a bit hairy every now and then and there are some
    persons most of us are closer to than others, but that doesn't mean there is no respect.
    I can only speak for myself, but although I can have heated debates with some persons
    that doesn't mean I don't respect them - for the simple reason they tick one or more of
    the boxes above. Which frankly - YOU DON'T!

    And no, we don't produce retrogames in CF, because we got our own compilers. And no,
    we don't make any money of it, because most of the stuff that is produced is FOSS.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Wed Sep 28 04:07:00 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:21:21 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    And no, we don't produce retrogames in CF, because we got our own compilers.
    Well, prove you can! I'm perfectly happy if you want to do it open source and free.
    Start doing something useful here. Prove to me you guys are worthy of a bit of
    respect in these threads, after everything done?
    You're missing the point. You have done NOTHING. NOTHING at all. You haven't contributed ONE SINGLE LINE of code. CF or otherwise.

    So - you have no respect here. None. And not only me, but others will throw that
    into your face as long as you wish to linger here.

    This group is not here to dance to your tunes. I don't mean that in the sense that
    I'm deciding the standard here, but in the sense that's the status quo. Like it or not,
    that's how it is. Take it or leave it.

    Unless you're willing to do the work, you'll always be regarded as an outsider in the
    best case and in the worst case as an intruder.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Wed Sep 28 03:21:19 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:40:31 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:16:33 AM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    No seriously, what have you guys ever contributed here, apart from carrying on about
    very little? I know "vaporware" intelligence when I see it. Don't bother trying to market
    that stuff here!
    Actually, most of the people here have:

    .. Arrogantly done absolutely nothing here in these threads, but play the system?


    So I think a bit of humility and respect is well in place.

    You definitely should. Who do you see coming into other people's threads to foolishly mess with them out of self importance! Who do you see not bothering to do the same to these people, out of wisdom! One is lack of respect, and one is respect, and
    intelligence. There might be actual significant things worth objecting too in other people's threads, but otherwise, why bother wasting everybody's time, and then pretend it's somebody else's fault!

    And no, we don't produce retrogames in CF, because we got our own compilers.

    Well, prove you can! I'm perfectly happy if you want to do it open source and free. Start doing something useful here. Prove to me you guys are worthy of a bit of respect in these threads, after everything done? If you are as smart as you like to
    make out doing stuff, do something? Simple compilers (I like DX's documentation writing) are one thing, but do something truely progressive. The only things I see around here are colorforth, Forth OS, and misc. Praise where praise is due for the
    worthy progression in work or design. I don't know how amazing Forth OS was in design, but it was a worthy project. Colorforth was a little design that progressed everything . MISC Forth processors were a leap in progress, and a worthy design. I'm
    sick of having people around life, who selfishly won't progress things, and abhorrent people that just want to interfere instead.

    Everybody can do with some hardware platform independent applications, and lite applications frameworks, in Colorforth. Whining about progress is easy, designing progress itself, is rarely so easy!

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  • From Jan Coombs@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Wed Sep 28 12:16:21 2022
    On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT)
    Wayne morellini <waynemorellini@gmail.com> wrote [to Hans]:

    Start doing something useful here.

    I don't see eye to eye to Hans, and have occasionally found
    his ideas alien, and sometime our differing personalities
    could create friction, but:

    After a quick look I find that I have marked an unusually
    large proportion of his posts for further reading.

    I find it embarrassing to read other people misrepresenting
    my viewpoint, and feeling obliged to post a correction.

    Jan Coombs
    --

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Wed Sep 28 05:53:52 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:42:12 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Your design intelligence contribution here has not at all been significant, from what I can tell.
    You can't tell ANYTHING, because you never ever produced a SINGLE LINE OF CODE.

    Whatever you have done anywhere else is completely irrelevant to the question.
    No, it's not. I produced lots of code - which everyone here knows. You, on the other
    hand never produced A SINGLE LINE of code.

    Your work is largely irrelevant to the design considerations.
    That's quite a statement from someone who never wrote a SINGLE LINE OF CODE - let alone an entire compiler.

    Why do you not understand this.
    Yeah, tell me - why don't you understand this?

    Are any of you, at all, getting influenced, to act this way?
    No. Are you?

    Take my advise. Produce some useful Forth code. It's not hard. Almost every single
    person here has done it.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Wed Sep 28 05:42:10 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:07:02 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:21:21 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    And no, we don't produce retrogames in CF, because we got our own compilers.
    Well, prove you can! I'm perfectly happy if you want to do it open source and free.
    Start doing something useful here. Prove to me you guys are worthy of a bit of
    respect in these threads, after everything done?


    Hans Bezemer

    That's completely at odds with the reality of the statement. We can not tell you anything. As usual, you are trying to speak across intentions of statements, about something else, which does not even apply. You do this far too much, then claim you are
    right You get in front of things getting done, endlessly, and use that as a criticism. It's unsound. You act like a mechanic that thinks he is good at designing cars, when the two are different jobs, but are perfectly willing to beat up people who are
    actually good at designing cars, because they don't assemble them or fix them. Absolutely, nobody good at innovative design I have ever met in my entire life, thinks like that. It is a sign of the opposite. You come here with bazaar behaviour and
    thinking, not being even able to read correct innovative thinking, expecting to be taken seriously, while countering efforts.

    As I keep saying, where have you ever contributed to design work, or the progress of design implementation, or these threads, instead of countering them? Your design intelligence contribution here has not at all been significant, from what I can tell.
    Whatever you have done anywhere else is completely irrelevant to the question. Your work is largely irrelevant to the design considerations. Why do you not understand this. You miss the point, you are the intruder in these threads, trying to impose
    your will over somebody else. Please, again, go to your own threads and tell people how you want to do your own private work. It is unsound and about you in somebody else's life, trying to wrongly dictate.. It's strange behaviour. Are any of you, at
    all, getting influenced, to act this way?

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Wed Sep 28 06:09:07 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:57:13 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    ..
    We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Logic is futile.

    No I won't.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Hans Bezemer on Wed Sep 28 22:57:04 2022
    On 28/09/2022 9:07 pm, Hans Bezemer wrote:
    ...
    This group is not here to dance to your tunes. I don't mean that in the sense that
    I'm deciding the standard here, but in the sense that's the status quo. Like it or not,
    that's how it is. Take it or leave it.

    We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Logic is futile.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to Jan Coombs on Wed Sep 28 06:06:22 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:16:25 PM UTC+10, Jan Coombs wrote:
    On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 03:21:19 -0700 (PDT)
    Wayne morellini <waynemo...@gmail.com> wrote [to Hans]:
    Start doing something useful here.
    I don't see eye to eye to Hans, and have occasionally found
    his ideas alien, and sometime our differing personalities
    could create friction, but:

    After a quick look I find that I have marked an unusually
    large proportion of his posts for further reading.

    I find it embarrassing to read other people misrepresenting
    my viewpoint, and feeling obliged to post a correction.

    Jan Coombs
    --

    Yes, I have been doing that myself, and if not for others there would be very little posting. But, I have quickly looked, and so far, I haven't found where people have done this to you. Which are you referring to Jan.

    Please don't bother reading many of the posts. Apart from myself, there has been very little on topic project technical contribution which has been authentically spot on. It's largely arguing mistaken semantics with them. If you let them get away with
    this, they will always be closing things down, and things will stall out (as they have). This sort of thing is everywhere, a small minority trying to suppress and dictate, in their own prowess of opinion. If only there was licensing, they would find it
    hard to get onto forums. It's for the good of society. As it is, they have trapped themselves into a multiple year cycle of having to prove themselves here, to obtain a victory of dominion over somebody. Poetic justice, but a waste of my time. I
    should get a new identity and let them continue to wear themselves out. I don't have to bother, they already wrecked killed and destroyed things, for nothing!

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Wed Sep 28 23:44:14 2022
    On 28/09/2022 11:09 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:57:13 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    ..
    We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Logic is futile.

    No I won't.

    Exactly. You'll leave when you're good and ready. It's a power play.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Wed Sep 28 06:35:59 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:53:54 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:42:12 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Your design intelligence contribution here has not at all been significant, from what I can tell.
    ..

    Not knowing is playing on you.

    You are trying to divert to psychologically protect yourself, as design intelligence is different from coding ability, and you are showing nothing, but ranting, again. You buried yourself here..

    Whatever you have done anywhere else is completely irrelevant to the question.
    ..
    Your work is largely irrelevant to the design considerations.
    ..
    Why do you not understand this.
    ..

    Hans Bezemer

    So, not doing anything useful to the technical project in these threads? :(

    Time to go and take this attitude somewhere else.

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Wed Sep 28 06:47:14 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:36:01 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    So, not doing anything useful to the technical project in these threads? :(
    If you speak of singular (one thread): No.

    Time to go and take this attitude somewhere else.
    This "technical project" has long left the building of this thread - and has turned
    into the value of the participation in this group altogether. Which is EXACTLY ZERO because you have EXACTLY ZERO results.

    If you would have had ANY results, you would have been far more credible. Torvalds only published when the had a version 0.1 running. It's called "putting
    your money where your mouth is".

    You have either no money or just a large mouth.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Wed Sep 28 06:51:18 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:44:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 28/09/2022 11:09 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:57:13 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    ..
    We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Logic is futile.

    No I won't.
    Exactly. You'll leave when you're good and ready. It's a power play.

    Yes, you are trying to play to get me to leave my own thread. What was your name again, so everybody's can know you. Ed or was it Paul? I feel sorry for everybody that came here, were persecuted, and had to leave.

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Hans Bezemer on Wed Sep 28 07:05:38 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:47:17 PM UTC+2, Hans Bezemer wrote:
    If you would have had ANY results, you would have been far more credible. Torvalds only published when the had a version 0.1 running. It's called "putting
    your money where your mouth is".
    Oh yeah - the Ancient Days of Chinese Bells: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/gFnCnElGq70/m/a8lzikic7QsJ

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Wed Sep 28 07:07:37 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:47:17 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:36:01 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    So, not doing anything useful to the technical project in these threads? :(
    If you speak of singular (one thread): No.

    Of course I'm not telling about that and haven't been. So, no, you are not in general in my threads.

    Time to go and take this attitude somewhere else.
    This "technical project" has long left the building of this thread - and has turned
    into the value of the participation in this group altogether. Which is EXACTLY
    ZERO because you have EXACTLY ZERO results.

    Unlike your contribution, there is a rich design intelligence based work. But, I have never met somebody who was self filled with their own fullness, which lacked real design intelligence skill, who ever thought it was needed past their copying and
    building on other's ideas.

    Time for the trash talk to finish. You have lost. You still don't have a credible point, but are just desperately flinging stuff around to get your way again.

    You have either no money or just a large mouth.
    Can't it be both?


    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Wed Sep 28 08:44:09 2022
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:07:39 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Unlike your contribution, there is a rich design intelligence based work. But, I have
    never met somebody who was self filled with their own fullness,
    Where did I brag about my project? And praised its design? Exactly nowhere. Contrary
    to the other party present, who brags all the time about exactly NOTHING.

    which lacked real design intelligence skill,
    Well, you can say a lot about me, but at least I designed SOMETHING. Contrary to the other
    party present, who brags all the time about exactly NOTHING.

    You have either no money or just a large mouth.
    Can't it be both?
    Yes, very possibly. I knew we could agree on something!

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Thu Sep 29 11:42:05 2022
    On 28/09/2022 11:51 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:44:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 28/09/2022 11:09 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:57:13 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    ..
    We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Logic is futile.

    No I won't.
    Exactly. You'll leave when you're good and ready. It's a power play.

    Yes, you are trying to play to get me to leave my own thread. What was your name again, so everybody's can know you. Ed or was it Paul? I feel sorry for everybody that came here, were persecuted, and had to leave.

    You feel sorry for the child you told us about. You want to control your ideas.
    I get that. But unfortunately you can't control those of others, their opinions,
    or space on a public forum. You can say you're not going anywhere but neither are they. If you can't adapt, it will just grind you down. And no - it's not a
    conspiracy, it's life. Want to change it - change yourself because there is no difference between you and life, contrary to popular opinion.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 05:12:02 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 1:44:11 AM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:07:39 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Unlike your contribution, there is a rich design intelligence based work. But, I have
    never met somebody who was self filled with their own fullness,
    Where did I brag about my project? And praised its design? Exactly nowhere.

    There you go again, sideverting what was said. Oh you know all the rules, are so rational etc etc etc, disruptive. It's a pity you don't know when they shouldn't be applied.

    Strawman walking!

    The rest of your usual useless BS, based on a proud miss interpretation of work, and design ability (greatness), deleted.

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Thu Sep 29 05:53:40 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:34:49 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    It's not your public forum, a thread is a private group, not for you to grind down
    whatever is happening, disrespectfully. Normally, you could be arrested for disrupting
    a meeting, and do it should be.
    You're delusional. You think what ever you think the rules are or should be *are* the rules.

    Fact is, this is a public forum. There is no moderator here. Anyone with a newsreader
    can subscribe and post here. There is no approval procedure.

    Consequently, any threads that are posted here are public as well. There are no additional
    security or access levels.

    The metaphor isn't correct in that sense, since meetings are usually in a private place. This
    is more like the speakers corner in Hyde park. Everyone can join the discussion and you can't
    police them.

    I think most of us have been more polite than you than you to us. We brought forth our
    arguments and invited you to a substantive discussion - which you have ignored over and
    over again, rather engaging in insubstantial and rather emotive statements.

    And you simply don't stop making your accusations to people who have contributed to
    this language in some way or another.

    I guess the people who have been watching this spectacle are certainly thinking "Is this really
    the person I want to work with". And I really want you to serious consider this - because you
    desperately need them. Since obviously, you are incapable of producing something of
    substance on your own.

    Prove me wrong.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 29 05:47:47 2022
    Anyway, have been laid up again today, and last night. So, haven't been able to really do anything or even get back to the threads to reason easily. There is so little to do anything, and everything diverting from doing the little I can. So, the
    things I need to do first are not getting done, and no time to do any real work. Which is an 180 degree counter productive criticism by others. So, have been trying to get other things done instead of coming here. There will be gaps.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Thu Sep 29 05:34:47 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 11:42:09 AM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 28/09/2022 11:51 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 11:44:30 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 28/09/2022 11:09 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:57:13 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote: >>> ..
    We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Logic is futile.

    No I won't.
    Exactly. You'll leave when you're good and ready. It's a power play.

    Yes, you are trying to play to get me to leave my own thread. What was your name again, so everybody's can know you. Ed or was it Paul? I feel sorry for everybody that came here, were persecuted, and had to leave.
    You feel sorry for the child you told us about. You want to control your ideas.
    I get that. But unfortunately you can't control those of others, their opinions,
    or space on a public forum. You can say you're not going anywhere but neither
    are they. If you can't adapt, it will just grind you down. And no - it's not a
    conspiracy, it's life. Want to change it - change yourself because there is no
    difference between you and life, contrary to popular opinion.

    Why play the fool to get it over people? This was work, nobody is entitled to paint false pictures, and they are perfectly entitled not to slap rubbish on my kitchen table, and to have contrary wishes elsewhere. it's not your will to control my own life
    wrongly, have enough of that around here. Out of thousands of people, it is only you few guys unreasonably coming in like you own everything you do not. It's not your public forum, a thread is a private group, not for you to grind down whatever is
    happening, disrespectfully. Normally, you could be arrested for disrupting a meeting, and do it should be. You guys have got an unreasonable self serving fantasy in your heads, which allows you to do what you like against reason. And it is a group
    conspiring to gang up, that is a conspiracy. You guys don't realise, it's you who are not changing and grinding yourselves. Am I perfectly clear?

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Thu Sep 29 05:37:53 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:12:04 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Unlike your contribution, there is a rich design intelligence based work. But, I have
    never met somebody who was self filled with their own fullness,
    Where did I brag about my project? And praised its design? Exactly nowhere.
    There you go again, sideverting what was said. Oh you know all the rules, are so
    rational etc etc etc, disruptive. It's a pity you don't know when they shouldn't be applied.
    Not really - I can't really translate differently what could be ment otherwise with "somebody
    who was self filled with their own fullness" - which is a strange way of putting it anyway,
    because everyone is full with their fullness physically. But I though, "well, hey - let's do the
    nice thing and try to interpret the stuff".

    Strawman walking!
    Not really. By definition, a straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another
    person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way,
    and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person
    is making.

    But I didn't rephrase any of what you said. Frankly, I was in a defensive stance (not really
    my style I must admit). So - better educate yourself first before you call an opponents
    argument a fallacy.

    The rest of your usual useless BS, based on a proud miss interpretation of work,
    and design ability (greatness), deleted.
    I didn't misinterpret your work, because you never did any work. That's the thing.
    You didn't design anything and you didn't build anything. You just posted long incoherent articles with a complete lack of clarity or detail.

    Now, lots of good designs began with a sketch on a napkin, but these people are only remembered because they built the darn thing. All other napkins ended up in
    the trashcan - for good reason.

    I never did napkins. Coasters and newspaper margins were my thing. And then I made it happen - and afterwards I came out with the thing.

    I'd say, you have to spend a lot of time in the diners before you're ready to come out.
    And maybe then - just maybe - you get the respect you so desperately crave.
    Not before. And not here. I know my crowd.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Thu Sep 29 06:18:30 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:47:49 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Anyway, have been laid up again today, and last night. So, haven't been able to
    really do anything or even get back to the threads to reason easily.

    Ok, I've been looking back on this thread to see where it went off the rails. The sixth
    post, you wrote this:

    "Not really, it's just some get things wrong and can't judge things,
    Figuring out isn't free".

    Well, most people have design objectives - and will match any idea with those design objectives - either implicitly or explicitly. And you will be judged by those
    design objectives - whether you subscribe to them or not.

    Instead of attacking this person right away you could have:
    (1) Listened first - because you might learn something anyway;
    (2) Acknowledge that there ARE different design objectives - and just plainly accept that. You don't HAVE TO adopt them.

    In short - having a different opinion doesn't make a person evil. But is seems you think they are.

    "Now we have people with a voice yelling access the room, who shouldn't
    have a voice to do so"
    Now you're p***ing people off. You deny that they may voice their opinion.

    ".. and these people are progressively getting in charge,"
    Now we're getting into "tin foil hats" territory.

    "And as they are psychologically expanding they are changing behavior. It's
    a number of old style societies that have a name for these people, who
    will wreck things and defend the society's interested."
    This has NOTHING to do with your design in the least. You're sidetracking
    the subject.

    "The first word starts with "Useful" the second word is a derogatory.
    There are two main old ways of living. One is of man one is of man
    with and under God".
    Ok, let's emphasize the "personal attack" and "tin foil hat" aspects a
    little more.

    Are you really sure it's the forum that's the main problem here?

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 06:51:55 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 10:37:55 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:12:04 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Unlike your contribution, there is a rich design intelligence based work. But, I have
    never met somebody who was self filled with their own fullness,
    Where did I brag about my project? And praised its design? Exactly nowhere.
    There you go again, sideverting what was said. Oh you know all the rules, are so
    rational etc etc etc, disruptive. It's a pity you don't know when they shouldn't be applied.
    Not really - I can't really translate differently what could be ment otherwise with "somebody
    who was self filled with their own fullness" - which is a strange way of putting it anyway,
    because everyone is full with their fullness physically. But I though, "well, hey - let's do the
    nice thing and try to interpret the stuff".

    Strawman walking!
    Not really. By definition, a straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another
    person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way,
    and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person
    is making.

    But I didn't rephrase any of what you said. Frankly, I was in a defensive stance (not really
    my style I must admit). So - better educate yourself first before you call an opponents
    argument a fallacy.
    ..

    You are missing things. I have been complaining for months that you have been missing the points, and not investigating what you are saying. There is a term: dead man walking. A strawman here, refers to the substance of arguments. You are the strawman,
    because I published clear logic I had worked out, which was too complex for you (take the hint) to decipher, because you are self filled and never trained yourself properly. You equate your doodling, and straight forward work, to work figuring things
    out based on thousands or tens of thousands of aspects. What if you make a broom handle your work is better than Einstein's, or any theorectical physicists? That's a fantatist. Do you see me claiming anything that's better than me? I've been
    complaining about you making definite statements without thinking through the context and concepts for months (context and concepts are logic). Even when pointed out, you won't back down.

    All I hear from my side is, respect the work, for it's sake, and from your side, you want to possess respect, as a superior because you did something, and want to disrespect the reasonable logic of different work, to retain your position. I keep trying
    to shake you out of this attitude, but you are not listening. I'd be ashamed to do something straight forwards and pretend that it's more grand then it is over against something which is actually more grand. I don't look down on people's good work, but
    I don't them to illegitimately lord it over better things. The design of the idea is where it starts, that is the real value and difficult, and without a good design, you are immediately lesser. A good napkin is worth more in the long term than dos.
    There is no disputing it, wherever you can manage to beat the competition or not, that's just life. In a way it's relevant, in a other way it's irrelevant. If the better napkin works out as least as well as the other napkin, you are ahead. Standing on
    better napkins doesn't help. It's very simple, very clear. You understand? The problem is not your work, but your perception of the result of your style of napkin, stopping you from seeing past it, and your group.

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 07:26:35 2022
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 14:18:32 UTC+1, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:47:49 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Anyway, have been laid up again today, and last night. So, haven't been able to
    really do anything or even get back to the threads to reason easily.
    Ok, I've been looking back on this thread to see where it went off the rails. The sixth
    post, you wrote this:

    "Not really, it's just some get things wrong and can't judge things, Figuring out isn't free".

    Well, most people have design objectives - and will match any idea with those
    design objectives - either implicitly or explicitly. And you will be judged by those
    design objectives - whether you subscribe to them or not.

    Instead of attacking this person right away you could have:
    (1) Listened first - because you might learn something anyway;
    (2) Acknowledge that there ARE different design objectives - and just plainly
    accept that. You don't HAVE TO adopt them.

    In short - having a different opinion doesn't make a person evil. But is seems
    you think they are.

    "Now we have people with a voice yelling access the room, who shouldn't
    have a voice to do so"
    Now you're p***ing people off. You deny that they may voice their opinion.

    ".. and these people are progressively getting in charge,"
    Now we're getting into "tin foil hats" territory.

    "And as they are psychologically expanding they are changing behavior. It's a number of old style societies that have a name for these people, who
    will wreck things and defend the society's interested."
    This has NOTHING to do with your design in the least. You're sidetracking the subject.

    "The first word starts with "Useful" the second word is a derogatory.
    There are two main old ways of living. One is of man one is of man
    with and under God".
    Ok, let's emphasize the "personal attack" and "tin foil hat" aspects a little more.

    Are you really sure it's the forum that's the main problem here?

    Hans Bezemer


    We are all getting sick of the bullshit the 2 of you are posting here.
    Wayne, you are somehow excused as of your illness.
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.

    It worked very well with Hugh Aguilar and Testra at the time.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/hans-bezemer-0924535/recent-activity/

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/hans-bezemer-0924535/

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    Dear Georg,

    sorry for the direct communication,
    but your name, picture and email was the first one.
    As I could not find the contact for HR, I want to try to get some feedback.

    It seems that work ethics is not really relevant at your company,
    at least one of your employees is of this opinion.
    One of your employees - Hans Bezemer - is having a private war here on Comp Lang Forth.
    I just wonder, if your company supports such a behaviour
    or if there are limits based on your company work ethics.

    You can get a taste in his many posts in this thread here
    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/GOPs3a_OtJk

    Kind regards

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  • From Zbig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 29 07:54:43 2022
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.

    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Thu Sep 29 07:18:16 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:51:57 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 10:37:55 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:12:04 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Unlike your contribution, there is a rich design intelligence based work. But, I have
    never met somebody who was self filled with their own fullness,
    Where did I brag about my project? And praised its design? Exactly nowhere.
    There you go again, sideverting what was said. Oh you know all the rules, are so
    rational etc etc etc, disruptive. It's a pity you don't know when they shouldn't be applied.
    Not really - I can't really translate differently what could be ment otherwise with "somebody
    who was self filled with their own fullness" - which is a strange way of putting it anyway,
    because everyone is full with their fullness physically. But I though, "well, hey - let's do the
    nice thing and try to interpret the stuff".

    Strawman walking!
    Not really. By definition, a straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another
    person’s argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way,
    and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person
    is making.

    But I didn't rephrase any of what you said. Frankly, I was in a defensive stance (not really
    my style I must admit). So - better educate yourself first before you call an opponents
    argument a fallacy.
    ..

    You are missing things.

    There is a term: dead man walking.
    Either "a condemned man walking from his prison cell to a place of execution" or
    "A person in a doomed or untenable situation". So - why would that a apply here?
    I have nothing to win or lose whether you realize your project or not.

    A straw man here, refers to the substance of arguments.
    No it doesn't. You really have to accept there are generally accepted terms and definitions - and you can't just change 'em because you either like or don't like 'em.

    You are the straw man, because I published clear logic I had worked out,
    I can't be a straw man because it's a concept - not a person or an object.

    All I hear from my side is, respect the work, for it's sake, and from your side,
    you want to possess respect, as a superior because you did something, and want to disrespect the reasonable logic of different work, to retain your position.
    Now THAT's a good example of a "Straw man argument"!

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 07:38:03 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 10:53:42 PM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 2:34:49 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    It's not your public forum, a thread is a private group, not for you to grind down
    whatever is happening, disrespectfully. Normally, you could be arrested for disrupting
    a meeting, and do it should be.
    You're delusional. You think what ever you think the rules are or should be *are* the rules.

    No, that is you Hans.
    ..

    Consequently, any threads that are posted here are public as well. There are no additional
    security or access levels.
    That does not at all contradict what I said. It's still valid, you are not valid, and yes there is a moderation mechanism to remove posts on Usenet, I found out about decades back.



    The metaphor isn't correct in that sense, since meetings are usually in a private place. This
    is more like the speakers corner in Hyde park. Everyone can join the discussion and you can't
    police them.

    I was waiting to see if you would use that one. No, a thread is a room, or a gathering of individuals. If you play up on hide park, I think the police can do something there too. Go to a Beer Hall and interrupt on people's conversations acting like you
    have here, and see how that goes down. You are really talking about about forced anarchism, but really in a domination sense instead. The internet does not define acceptable standards of behaviour, that is a delusional falsehood, by people wanting to
    get their way. These things are defined legally. Again, I don't go around other people's threads unreasonably, and only defend here against what is unreasonable.


    I think most of us have been more polite..

    No, you think your reason is right on no good basis, when it is just harmful, rude, stalking bullying and attempting to domineer, to bring into slavery to your will. You can apologise and walk off any time. With a bunch doing this, continuously, it
    requires reasonable adequate counter action.


    arguments and invited you to a substantive discussion - which you have ignored over and
    over again, rather engaging in insubstantial and rather emotive statements.

    No you put forth glib inappropriate statements, because you did not read things in an appropriate fashion in order to pick more appropriate responses, even though this was repeatedly pointed out and you were asked to do so. You try to press a sick man
    into going into obsessive and unreasonable details, about what you should be reading into. That is what trawllers do. You are not the hero here Hans.

    I guess the people who have been watching this spectacle are certainly thinking ...

    Hans, maybe you should try to be humble reasonable and objective, you have been ruining your own reputation trying to ruin mine. It is not I they shouldn't work with. I can trust reasonable people to see through your Fog here.

    And I really want you to serious consider this - because you
    desperately need them. Since obviously, you are incapable of producing something of
    substance on your own.

    All you have produced here is Evil Hans, it's not sound. You just don't think deep enough.

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Zbig on Thu Sep 29 08:07:34 2022
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

    It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    And definitely made the situation better.

    Let others judge, I just communicate the links and facts here

    - and if you like these useless and silly fights
    making the Forth people look rather bad,
    that makes it 3 then who are and want to be involved.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to the.bee...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 08:06:34 2022
    On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:18:17 AM UTC+10, the.bee...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 3:51:57 PM UTC+2, Wayne morellini wrote:
    ..

    You are missing things.
    There is a term: dead man walking.
    Either "a condemned man walking from his prison cell to a place of execution" or
    "A person in a doomed or untenable situation". So - why would that a apply here?
    I have nothing to win or lose whether you realize your project or not.

    Another meaningless diversion by you. People can see it's you trying this for your own reasons.

    A straw man here, refers to the substance of arguments.
    No it doesn't. You really have to accept there are generally accepted terms and
    definitions - and you can't just change 'em because you either like or don't like 'em.

    There you go again, that is how more advanced knowledge is made, that is intellectual debate, not by wrongly stating things as you just did again. Have you no idea here, or are you trolling? You should realise that, that is how those statements are
    made up.

    You are the straw man, because I published clear logic I had worked out,
    I can't be a straw man because it's a concept - not a person or an object.

    I just remembered, it's not something your culture gets. The conceptual context
    Try some poetry. You really can't design well without it. You will literally be limited by foreshortening of foresight. It's confusing, because this is exactly the sort of things trolls do, pretend not to understand, like children do not, and be very
    extremely limited, in order to waste their victim's time, before they get taken to court. So, what are you? I know you refuse to do what would be considered the correct thing to overcoming lack of understanding, so does it matter? Sorry Hans, that
    you're done this to me, but also that you want to.

    All I hear from my side is, respect the work, for it's sake, and from your side,
    you want to possess respect, as a superior because you did something, and want to disrespect the reasonable logic of different work, to retain your position.
    Now THAT's a good example of a "Straw man argument"!

    No, that's what probably has really been going on. I can't trust you to be right with yourself

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 08:17:10 2022
    On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:26:37 AM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:

    Hans Bezemer
    We are all getting sick of the bullshit the 2 of you are posting here.

    My appologies, just trying to sweep up here, but as quick as I sweep the more I have to sweep.

    I'm screwed because of people like this, they won't stop, but have to be answered.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Hans Bezemer@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 29 09:30:56 2022
    On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 4:26:37 PM UTC+2, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    We are all getting sick of the bullshit the 2 of you are posting here.
    Wayne, you are somehow excused as of your illness.
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Juergen,

    Das ist der ZWEITE Mal, dass ich dir warne. Dritten Mal bist du dran.

    Hans Bezemer

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Fri Sep 30 13:20:18 2022
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

    It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    And definitely made the situation better.

    How do define "better"? AFAICS your involvement left Testra in an embarrassing situation with serious allegations to answer. Not only wasn't Hugh fired (he left over the pay), it took them TWO YEARS to retract. What reputable company gives out employee information to someone clearly looking for dirt and says 'go ahead, post it on the internet' ?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to dxforth on Fri Sep 30 00:17:17 2022
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

    It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    And definitely made the situation better.
    How do define "better"? AFAICS your involvement left Testra in an embarrassing
    situation with serious allegations to answer. Not only wasn't Hugh fired (he left over the pay), it took them TWO YEARS to retract. What reputable company
    gives out employee information to someone clearly looking for dirt and says 'go
    ahead, post it on the internet' ?


    You - as a child and member of the kindergarden activities as you state - obviously are too young
    and unexperienced to understand what happened.
    Your reading skills are still rather weak as you prove.

    And the contents of your post is full of incorrectness - seems part of your personality.
    I am looking forward to when you grow up and start making your own money in a real job with responsibility.

    The nice thing about CLF is that people show their character here - and it is stored here until they die and longer.

    After all of the agression of Hugh against me I asked Testra if they could state which of Hugh's statements are lies.
    The MD decided to answer and asked to post his email answer in full.
    And his brother posted directly and independently afterwards in the same thread.

    This thread is still here as PDF for people to check and enjoy as far as I collected it
    - and some others, just where I collect some Forth stuff https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ah8umk0hgq1818s/AAC8nNEueZZcIYJ8uGP4F4wPa?dl=0

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Fri Sep 30 21:09:06 2022
    On 30/09/2022 5:17 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

    It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    And definitely made the situation better.
    How do define "better"? AFAICS your involvement left Testra in an embarrassing
    situation with serious allegations to answer. Not only wasn't Hugh fired (he >> left over the pay), it took them TWO YEARS to retract. What reputable company
    gives out employee information to someone clearly looking for dirt and says 'go
    ahead, post it on the internet' ?


    You - as a child and member of the kindergarden activities as you state - obviously are too young
    and unexperienced to understand what happened.
    Your reading skills are still rather weak as you prove.

    And the contents of your post is full of incorrectness - seems part of your personality.

    I'm happy to stand corrected. Please indicate what I got wrong.

    After all of the agression of Hugh against me I asked Testra if they could state which of Hugh's statements are lies.

    So you were motivated by aggression against you and that's why you went to Hugh's
    former employer. You said as much here:

    > Jurgen Pitaske
    > Sep 14, 2019, 2:08:59 AM
    >
    > Just to make it clear:
    > I have no business relationship with MPE anymore so this
    > is a purely private activity.
    >
    > But as it makes me sick how he behaves on clf,

    This thread is still here as PDF for people to check and enjoy as far as I collected it
    - and some others, just where I collect some Forth stuff https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ah8umk0hgq1818s/AAC8nNEueZZcIYJ8uGP4F4wPa?dl=0

    In short, you dragged Testra into a dispute that was essentially between Hugh and
    yourself. Why should anyone enjoy that? It's hard to believe Testra enjoyed it
    given the fallout and subsequent retraction.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to dxforth on Fri Sep 30 04:30:17 2022
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 12:09:10 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 5:17 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

    It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    And definitely made the situation better.
    How do define "better"? AFAICS your involvement left Testra in an embarrassing
    situation with serious allegations to answer. Not only wasn't Hugh fired (he
    left over the pay), it took them TWO YEARS to retract. What reputable company
    gives out employee information to someone clearly looking for dirt and says 'go
    ahead, post it on the internet' ?


    You - as a child and member of the kindergarden activities as you state - obviously are too young
    and unexperienced to understand what happened.
    Your reading skills are still rather weak as you prove.

    And the contents of your post is full of incorrectness - seems part of your personality.
    I'm happy to stand corrected. Please indicate what I got wrong.
    After all of the agression of Hugh against me I asked Testra if they could state which of Hugh's statements are lies.
    So you were motivated by aggression against you and that's why you went to Hugh's
    former employer. You said as much here:

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Sep 14, 2019, 2:08:59 AM

    Just to make it clear:
    I have no business relationship with MPE anymore so this
    is a purely private activity.

    But as it makes me sick how he behaves on clf,
    This thread is still here as PDF for people to check and enjoy as far as I collected it
    - and some others, just where I collect some Forth stuff https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ah8umk0hgq1818s/AAC8nNEueZZcIYJ8uGP4F4wPa?dl=0
    In short, you dragged Testra into a dispute that was essentially between Hugh and
    yourself. Why should anyone enjoy that? It's hard to believe Testra enjoyed it
    given the fallout and subsequent retraction.

    Learn reading and understanding context
    - otherwise you just continue to post BULLSHIT

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 30 05:28:47 2022
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:49:43 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:

    Juergen. Thank you. I got the Dr Ting's "EP32 32 Bit Processor IP Book. I haven't read it yet, it's going take a long time to get to look at it. But is there a download area for the files?

    It would be good if there was a book with all his processor designs on a mini dvd (as cd is not encased double sided, and online files will die)? I'm interested in the EP 16 and 64.

    I've tried to contact one of Dr Ting's old partners, to see if his old processor designs had been implemented in custom silicon to buy. But maybe due to negative attempts elsewhere here, they haven't received the emails. I had also been generously
    contacted to complete another chip project but also didn't receive a reply to my reply.

    Thank you.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Fri Sep 30 05:40:50 2022
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 13:28:49 UTC+1, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:49:43 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:

    Juergen. Thank you. I got the Dr Ting's "EP32 32 Bit Processor IP Book. I haven't read it yet, it's going take a long time to get to look at it. But is there a download area for the files?

    It would be good if there was a book with all his processor designs on a mini dvd (as cd is not encased double sided, and online files will die)? I'm interested in the EP 16 and 64.

    I've tried to contact one of Dr Ting's old partners, to see if his old processor designs had been implemented in custom silicon to buy. But maybe due to negative attempts elsewhere here, they haven't received the emails. I had also been generously
    contacted to complete another chip project but also didn't receive a reply to my reply.

    Thank you.

    https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/projects:ep32:start

    http://www.forth.org/cores.html

    http://forth.org/svfig/kk/11-2010-Ting.pdf

    http://www.forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Fri Sep 30 05:59:39 2022
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 13:40:52 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 13:28:49 UTC+1, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:49:43 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:

    Juergen. Thank you. I got the Dr Ting's "EP32 32 Bit Processor IP Book. I haven't read it yet, it's going take a long time to get to look at it. But is there a download area for the files?

    It would be good if there was a book with all his processor designs on a mini dvd (as cd is not encased double sided, and online files will die)? I'm interested in the EP 16 and 64.

    I've tried to contact one of Dr Ting's old partners, to see if his old processor designs had been implemented in custom silicon to buy. But maybe due to negative attempts elsewhere here, they haven't received the emails. I had also been generously
    contacted to complete another chip project but also didn't receive a reply to my reply.

    Thank you.
    https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/projects:ep32:start

    http://www.forth.org/cores.html

    http://forth.org/svfig/kk/11-2010-Ting.pdf

    http://www.forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html


    And a recent email exchange:

    Dear Juergen

    Yes, I have received it. And I was able to download the ep32 vhdl zip files and extract the contents there.
    Yes, very sad, I thought I would be able to communicate with Dr Chen on my feelings about Forth.
    I am glad that you can help me.

    Thank you very much, take care.

    Regards
    Xxx xx

    On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 1:47 AM Juergen Pintaske wrote:
    Can you please confirm that you have received the email now. Thank you.

    From: Juergen Pintaske
    Sent: 03 September 2022 17:13
    To: xxx xx>
    Subject: RE: I bought the book by Dr. Chen-Hanson TIng and wanted to know where can I download the EP32Q.VHDL

    http://www.forth.org/svfig/kk/08-2010-Ting.pdf
    http://www.forth.org/cores.html http://www.forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html http://www.forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html

    Dear xxx,
    I was only the publisher of these books,
    took the material mostly, massaged it, formatted it, published it
    to make it available to a wide audience via amazon.
    I am not a VDHL person.
    And could only point to Tings link for people to buy the code at the time for $25.
    But now it should be available for free download.
    See as well attached.

    Yes, unfortunately Dr. Chen Hanson Ting moved into another dimension.
    And I really miss him.
    He was one of the pillows of Forth.

    I asked the internet for relevant links,
    and the OFFETE STORE should contain what you look for in one of the zips.

    I would appreciate, if you could confirm that you have been successful with these links,
    and found what you needed,
    as this question might come again.
    Kind regards
    Juergen Pintaske

    From xxx xx
    Sent: 03 September 2022 10:22
    To:
    Subject: I bought the book by Dr. Chen-Hanson TIng and wanted to know where can I download the EP32Q.VHDL

    Dear Mr. Juergen Pintaske
    My name is xxx xx, from yyyy.
    I tried to contact Dr. Chen-Hanson and sadly to find out he passed away in May 2022.
    As Dr. Chen-Hanson business's site is no longer in operation,
    I wonder about people who bought his books and need to download the software mentioned in the book.
    I sent an email to someone in the Forth user group but there was no reply.
    The book I bought was EP32 - 32 bit RISC Processor IP.
    And it also stated there that "Juergen Pintaske" is the FPGA Implementation person.
    I hope you can point me in the right direction to download the ep32q.vhld software.
    Thanks a lot
    Regards
    Xxx xx

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to dxforth on Fri Sep 30 07:11:12 2022
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 14:54:31 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 9:30 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 12:09:10 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 5:17 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

    It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    And definitely made the situation better.
    How do define "better"? AFAICS your involvement left Testra in an embarrassing
    situation with serious allegations to answer. Not only wasn't Hugh fired (he
    left over the pay), it took them TWO YEARS to retract. What reputable company
    gives out employee information to someone clearly looking for dirt and says 'go
    ahead, post it on the internet' ?


    You - as a child and member of the kindergarden activities as you state - obviously are too young
    and unexperienced to understand what happened.
    Your reading skills are still rather weak as you prove.

    And the contents of your post is full of incorrectness - seems part of your personality.
    I'm happy to stand corrected. Please indicate what I got wrong.
    After all of the agression of Hugh against me I asked Testra if they could state which of Hugh's statements are lies.
    So you were motivated by aggression against you and that's why you went to Hugh's
    former employer. You said as much here:

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Sep 14, 2019, 2:08:59 AM

    Just to make it clear:
    I have no business relationship with MPE anymore so this
    is a purely private activity.

    But as it makes me sick how he behaves on clf,
    This thread is still here as PDF for people to check and enjoy as far as I collected it
    - and some others, just where I collect some Forth stuff
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ah8umk0hgq1818s/AAC8nNEueZZcIYJ8uGP4F4wPa?dl=0
    In short, you dragged Testra into a dispute that was essentially between Hugh and
    yourself. Why should anyone enjoy that? It's hard to believe Testra enjoyed it
    given the fallout and subsequent retraction.

    Learn reading and understanding context
    - otherwise you just continue to post BULLSHIT
    Salaciousness excluded, "What really happened there?" appears to boil down to:

    - Your assertion to Testra: "Hugh Aguilar basically says for years here on clf.
    that he has basically invented the MFX processor of Testra, And the software that basically runs the company TESTRA."
    - Hugh's rebuttals: "Juergen is vague about this because he is just making this
    stuff up."
    - Hugh wrote MFX which Testra confirmed was good work and which they still use
    with modification.
    - "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth, but is not really
    a team player."
    - Testra belatedly withdraws statement about Hugh not taking direction and being
    fired admitting they were mistaken.
    - Hugh's claim he received a negative reference from Testra during an interview
    for another job: 'achieved "nothing" and "not eligible for rehire"' - a claim
    Hugh repeats on at least four different occasions.

    Did I miss something of importance?

    You just make things up as you go along as usual.
    Nothing to do with reality and facts - but that is you ...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Fri Sep 30 23:54:25 2022
    On 30/09/2022 9:30 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 12:09:10 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 5:17 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

    It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    And definitely made the situation better.
    How do define "better"? AFAICS your involvement left Testra in an embarrassing
    situation with serious allegations to answer. Not only wasn't Hugh fired (he
    left over the pay), it took them TWO YEARS to retract. What reputable company
    gives out employee information to someone clearly looking for dirt and says 'go
    ahead, post it on the internet' ?


    You - as a child and member of the kindergarden activities as you state - obviously are too young
    and unexperienced to understand what happened.
    Your reading skills are still rather weak as you prove.

    And the contents of your post is full of incorrectness - seems part of your personality.
    I'm happy to stand corrected. Please indicate what I got wrong.
    After all of the agression of Hugh against me I asked Testra if they could state which of Hugh's statements are lies.
    So you were motivated by aggression against you and that's why you went to Hugh's
    former employer. You said as much here:

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Sep 14, 2019, 2:08:59 AM

    Just to make it clear:
    I have no business relationship with MPE anymore so this
    is a purely private activity.

    But as it makes me sick how he behaves on clf,
    This thread is still here as PDF for people to check and enjoy as far as I collected it
    - and some others, just where I collect some Forth stuff
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ah8umk0hgq1818s/AAC8nNEueZZcIYJ8uGP4F4wPa?dl=0 >> In short, you dragged Testra into a dispute that was essentially between Hugh and
    yourself. Why should anyone enjoy that? It's hard to believe Testra enjoyed it
    given the fallout and subsequent retraction.

    Learn reading and understanding context
    - otherwise you just continue to post BULLSHIT

    Salaciousness excluded, "What really happened there?" appears to boil down to:

    - Your assertion to Testra: "Hugh Aguilar basically says for years here on clf.
    that he has basically invented the MFX processor of Testra, And the software
    that basically runs the company TESTRA."
    - Hugh's rebuttals: "Juergen is vague about this because he is just making this
    stuff up."
    - Hugh wrote MFX which Testra confirmed was good work and which they still use
    with modification.
    - "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth, but is not really
    a team player."
    - Testra belatedly withdraws statement about Hugh not taking direction and being
    fired admitting they were mistaken.
    - Hugh's claim he received a negative reference from Testra during an interview
    for another job: 'achieved "nothing" and "not eligible for rehire"' - a claim
    Hugh repeats on at least four different occasions.

    Did I miss something of importance?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 30 08:24:39 2022
    On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 10:40:52 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 13:28:49 UTC+1, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:49:43 PM UTC+10, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:

    Juergen. Thank you. I got the Dr Ting's "EP32 32 Bit Processor IP Book. I haven't read it yet, it's going take a long time to get to look at it. But is there a download area for the files?

    It would be good if there was a book with all his processor designs on a mini dvd (as cd is not encased double sided, and online files will die)? I'm interested in the EP 16 and 64.

    I've tried to contact one of Dr Ting's old partners, to see if his old processor designs had been implemented in custom silicon to buy. But maybe due to negative attempts elsewhere here, they haven't received the emails. I had also been generously
    contacted to complete another chip project but also didn't receive a reply to my reply.

    Thank you.
    https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/projects:ep32:start

    http://www.forth.org/cores.html

    http://forth.org/svfig/kk/11-2010-Ting.pdf

    http://www.forth.org/OffeteStore/OffeteStore.html


    Ok, got the ep16 and ep32 files. Found a pdf on the ep32 ASIC, Nasa design, and two others designing. One is Li Ting?, so I guess not Dr Ting. Anyway, some history and to keep handy to consider if I go fpga. But, it's going have to be reduced in
    cores to a different suitable fpga.

    Found excamerasl's paper on execution of fragments from ram to speed up execution l. Something which might be more acceptable to consumers. It is also the sort of scheme I advocated when the Seaforth chips were announced with limited memory, which I
    greatly expanded upon. 5 times slower than native speed on the codelet sample, and many times faster again than the VM. I was actually writing up a proposal for a scheme like that here recently. He certainly seems on an ok track with gameduino.

    .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to dxforth on Fri Sep 30 10:45:47 2022
    On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:09:10 AM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 5:17 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    I assume the employer of Hans might be interested in knowing about your behaviour,
    and how it ties in with the company work ethics.
    Isn't it „kindergarten level”? „Dear Ma'am, I cannot tell a lie; Hans is beating Wayne!”.

    It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    And definitely made the situation better.
    How do define "better"? AFAICS your involvement left Testra in an embarrassing
    situation with serious allegations to answer. Not only wasn't Hugh fired (he
    left over the pay), it took them TWO YEARS to retract. What reputable company
    gives out employee information to someone clearly looking for dirt and says 'go
    ahead, post it on the internet' ?


    You - as a child and member of the kindergarden activities as you state - obviously are too young
    and unexperienced to understand what happened.
    Your reading skills are still rather weak as you prove.

    And the contents of your post is full of incorrectness - seems part of your personality.
    I'm happy to stand corrected. Please indicate what I got wrong.
    After all of the agression of Hugh against me I asked Testra if they could state which of Hugh's statements are lies.
    So you were motivated by aggression against you and that's why you went to Hugh's
    former employer. You said as much here:

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Sep 14, 2019, 2:08:59 AM

    Just to make it clear:
    I have no business relationship with MPE anymore so this
    is a purely private activity.

    But as it makes me sick how he behaves on clf,
    This thread is still here as PDF for people to check and enjoy as far as I collected it
    - and some others, just where I collect some Forth stuff https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ah8umk0hgq1818s/AAC8nNEueZZcIYJ8uGP4F4wPa?dl=0
    In short, you dragged Testra into a dispute that was essentially between Hugh and
    yourself. Why should anyone enjoy that? It's hard to believe Testra enjoyed it
    given the fallout and subsequent retraction.

    I have tried many times to explain to Jurgen that his behavior in this group (and other places) is every bit as bad as Hugh's, and in particular, harmful to Forth. He has responded by saying the equivalent of "you must fight shit with shit". Do you
    really expect that person to listen to any reason?

    The Forth community is a collection of misfits and malcontents, of varying degrees of functioning. We can accept it, or leave. There is precious little we can do about it. I think Wayne is the most recent example, even if he pales in comparison to
    the masters we've seen working these fields.

    We don't need more artisans of feces and we don't need to feed any of the various feces machines in this group.

    But then, it is mostly dinosaurs what read these newsgroups. So it's not like anything here is relevant to much in the real world.

    I do find it highly amusing that these two in particular think they can command the behavior of others, but threatening to contact their employers. lol

    If I worked for anyone who gave a hoot about what goes on in these groups, I would quit. But no one does. Much like their other actions, their threats are impotent. But what a crazy group this is!

    --

    Rick C.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 30 11:34:29 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 3:45:48 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:09:10 AM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 5:17 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:


    I have tried many times to explain to Jurgen that his behavior in this group (and other places) is every bit as bad as Hugh's, and in particular, harmful to Forth. He has responded by saying the equivalent of "you must fight shit with shit". Do you
    really expect that person to listen to any reason?

    The Forth community is a collection of misfits and malcontents, of varying degrees of functioning. We can accept it, or leave. There is precious little we can do about it. I think (sic. Why not say yourself?) is the most recent example, even if he
    pales in comparison to the masters we've seen working these fields.

    You don't think you do wrong, and start issues? That you say intellectually unacceptable things you could try to pass by a Colonel or General you don't think much of, but to an expert, are just insulting, and deficient? Come on, get real, Jurgen is
    right! There is something fundamentally wrong with you guys stalking, hassling, disloyalty, disrupting, being rebels without a sufficient cause. Instead of leaving where you should never have been.


    We don't need more artisans of feces

    Then leave! Instead of coming here and trying damage control.

    I haven't contacted anybody's employer. Sure enough, I don't believe people should do this from anonymity, lurking, hiding from authority, which is why I respect Han's openess, but I tend to be politely tolerant compared to what I've received.


    Rick..Collins Artemis

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Sat Oct 1 13:51:51 2022
    On 1/10/2022 4:34 am, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 3:45:48 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:09:10 AM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 5:17 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:


    I have tried many times to explain to Jurgen that his behavior in this group (and other places) is every bit as bad as Hugh's, and in particular, harmful to Forth. He has responded by saying the equivalent of "you must fight shit with shit". Do you
    really expect that person to listen to any reason?

    The Forth community is a collection of misfits and malcontents, of varying degrees of functioning. We can accept it, or leave. There is precious little we can do about it. I think (sic. Why not say yourself?) is the most recent example, even if he
    pales in comparison to the masters we've seen working these fields.

    You don't think you do wrong, and start issues? That you say intellectually unacceptable things you could try to pass by a Colonel or General you don't think much of, but to an expert, are just insulting, and deficient? Come on, get real, Jurgen is
    right! There is something fundamentally wrong with you guys stalking, hassling, disloyalty, disrupting, being rebels without a sufficient cause. Instead of leaving where you should never have been.


    We don't need more artisans of feces

    Then leave! Instead of coming here and trying damage control.

    I haven't contacted anybody's employer. Sure enough, I don't believe people should do this from anonymity, lurking, hiding from authority, which is why I respect Han's openess, but I tend to be politely tolerant compared to what I've received.

    What "authority" then would that be - public opinion? That's a very fickle authority
    to be dependent upon. They're liable to crucify you.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Sat Oct 1 15:45:06 2022
    On 1/10/2022 12:11 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 14:54:31 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 9:30 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    ...
    Learn reading and understanding context
    - otherwise you just continue to post BULLSHIT

    Salaciousness excluded, "What really happened there?" appears to boil down to:

    - Your assertion to Testra: "Hugh Aguilar basically says for years here on clf.
    that he has basically invented the MFX processor of Testra, And the software >> that basically runs the company TESTRA."
    - Hugh's rebuttals: "Juergen is vague about this because he is just making this
    stuff up."
    - Hugh wrote MFX which Testra confirmed was good work and which they still use
    with modification.
    - "Hugh is very intelligent, very knowledgeable about Forth, but is not really
    a team player."
    - Testra belatedly withdraws statement about Hugh not taking direction and being
    fired admitting they were mistaken.
    - Hugh's claim he received a negative reference from Testra during an interview
    for another job: 'achieved "nothing" and "not eligible for rehire"' - a claim
    Hugh repeats on at least four different occasions.

    Did I miss something of importance?

    You just make things up as you go along as usual.
    Nothing to do with reality and facts - but that is you ...

    Your statement and challenge was:

    On 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    >
    > It was interesting to receive Testra's direct reaction from their MD at the time.
    > And definitely made the situation better.
    >
    > Let others judge, I just communicate the links and facts here

    I did look. Testra came out of it with a heap of bother and Hugh vindicated. All
    thanks to you running to a former employer. That you would repeat this stunt with
    another person with the intention of creating harm is extraordinary. You asked others to judge. Don't worry. If they haven't previously done so, they very likely
    will now.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Fri Sep 30 23:32:33 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 1:51:58 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 1/10/2022 4:34 am, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 3:45:48 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:09:10 AM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:
    On 30/09/2022 5:17 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Friday, 30 September 2022 at 04:20:23 UTC+1, dxforth wrote:
    n 30/09/2022 1:07 am, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Thursday, 29 September 2022 at 15:54:45 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    ..
    I haven't contacted anybody's employer. Sure enough, I don't believe people should do this from anonymity, lurking, hiding from authority, which is why I respect Han's openess, but I tend to be politely tolerant compared to what I've received.
    What "authority" then would that be - public opinion? That's a very fickle authority
    to be dependent upon. They're liable to crucify you.

    I'm not saying Jurgen is wrong, and I wouldn't broadcast that But it can bring some pressure to conform. Maybe they will figuratively crucify you guys, so they should. Just bad, contributing nothing but trying to disrupt somebody trying to contribute,
    which is contributing nothing good. It's very sick. I've got enough people around trying to manipulate, stop, undermine things over the years, for their own gain and my loss. You think nothing could be happy, it's nuts, but in the end it suddenly all
    comes out, and the stuff people think and feel, and do, is nuts. Getting close to the 'sell you own grandmother' territory..

    The legal process starts with the constitution, then the relative levels of legislation, then reason and court law, then culture and public opinion. What's been done here, violates reason, and therefore reasonable court law needs to be made about it.
    Even if you got a local judge to agree with it, a higher court judge can chuck it out as obsessively unreasonable. You condemned it, by saying the, court of public opinion, when that is what you are trying to do. Set yourselves up as a court of public
    opinion and wrongly crucify somebody. It is not sane. But, people seeing it, and reasonably saying, that it is not right, and I, and my company, do not want to be associated with that behaviour, that is within reason. People telling you to get it right
    and reasonable, is also within reason. Anyway, I don't have time for this nonsense.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Sat Oct 1 17:42:25 2022
    On 1/10/2022 4:32 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 1:51:58 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 1/10/2022 4:34 am, Wayne morellini wrote:
    ..
    I haven't contacted anybody's employer. Sure enough, I don't believe people should do this from anonymity, lurking, hiding from authority, which is why I respect Han's openess, but I tend to be politely tolerant compared to what I've received.
    What "authority" then would that be - public opinion? That's a very fickle authority
    to be dependent upon. They're liable to crucify you.

    I'm not saying Jurgen is wrong, and I wouldn't broadcast that But it can bring some pressure to conform.

    Let's execute a few to get the rest to conform? As if society hasn't tried that.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Sat Oct 1 05:30:32 2022
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 5:42:29 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 1/10/2022 4:32 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 1:51:58 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 1/10/2022 4:34 am, Wayne morellini wrote:
    ..
    I haven't contacted anybody's employer. Sure enough, I don't believe people should do this from anonymity, lurking, hiding from authority, which is why I respect Han's openess, but I tend to be politely tolerant compared to what I've received.
    What "authority" then would that be - public opinion? That's a very fickle authority
    to be dependent upon. They're liable to crucify you.

    I'm not saying Jurgen is wrong, and I wouldn't broadcast that But it can bring some pressure to conform.

    ..

    Anyway, I don't have time for this nonsense.

    Let's execute a few to get the rest to conform? As if society hasn't tried that.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to Zbig on Sat Oct 1 08:52:04 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 1:46:06 AM UTC+10, Zbig wrote:
    You don't think you do wrong, and start issues? That you say intellectually unacceptable things you could try to
    pass by a Colonel or General you don't think much of, but to an expert, are just insulting, and deficient? Come
    on, get real, Jurgen is right! There is something fundamentally wrong with you guys stalking, hassling, disloyalty,
    disrupting, being rebels without a sufficient cause. Instead of leaving where you should never have been.

    let me just note:

    Don't let your chest explode.

    how is it..

    Because you are being evil?

    Anyway, I don't have time for this nonsense.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Sat Oct 1 08:53:41 2022
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 1:52:06 AM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 1:46:06 AM UTC+10, Zbig wrote:
    ..
    this nonsense.

    Who is the .. called Zbig?

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  • From Zbig@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 08:46:05 2022
    You don't think you do wrong, and start issues? That you say intellectually unacceptable things you could try to
    pass by a Colonel or General you don't think much of, but to an expert, are just insulting, and deficient? Come
    on, get real, Jurgen is right! There is something fundamentally wrong with you guys stalking, hassling, disloyalty,
    disrupting, being rebels without a sufficient cause. Instead of leaving where you should never have been.

    Without even trying to engage in any polemics with the above statement,
    let me just note: how is it that until Wayne Morellini showed up, there was
    a period of relative peace here — and since he got here, for the third month there have been some embarrassing quarrels?

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Zbig on Sat Oct 1 11:06:52 2022
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 16:46:06 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    You don't think you do wrong, and start issues? That you say intellectually unacceptable things you could try to
    pass by a Colonel or General you don't think much of, but to an expert, are just insulting, and deficient? Come
    on, get real, Jurgen is right! There is something fundamentally wrong with you guys stalking, hassling, disloyalty,
    disrupting, being rebels without a sufficient cause. Instead of leaving where you should never have been.
    Without even trying to engage in any polemics with the above statement,
    let me just note: how is it that until Wayne Morellini showed up, there was a period of relative peace here — and since he got here, for the third month
    there have been some embarrassing quarrels?


    I wondered, what the statistics of this thread shows
    and how big the interest of the Forth World is:

    Statistics of this thread
    to see who is actually interested and posts:

    2022_10_01 1370 views

    Number of posts:
    119 Wayne
    __7 Zbig
    _36 Dxforth
    __1 Referen
    _28 Gnuarm
    __2 Jan
    __3 None albert
    _51 the bee
    __1 Paul robin
    __1 Kerr mudd 1
    __2 Fred
    __1 Marcel
    _11 juergen 11
    __1 Gerry

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  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Sat Oct 1 11:14:38 2022
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 19:06:53 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 16:46:06 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    You don't think you do wrong, and start issues? That you say intellectually unacceptable things you could try to
    pass by a Colonel or General you don't think much of, but to an expert, are just insulting, and deficient? Come
    on, get real, Jurgen is right! There is something fundamentally wrong with you guys stalking, hassling, disloyalty,
    disrupting, being rebels without a sufficient cause. Instead of leaving where you should never have been.
    Without even trying to engage in any polemics with the above statement, let me just note: how is it that until Wayne Morellini showed up, there was
    a period of relative peace here — and since he got here, for the third month
    there have been some embarrassing quarrels?
    I wondered, what the statistics of this thread shows
    and how big the interest of the Forth World is:

    Statistics of this thread
    to see who is actually interested and posts:

    2022_10_01 1370 views

    Number of posts:
    119 Wayne
    __7 Zbig
    _36 Dxforth
    __1 Referen
    _28 Gnuarm
    __2 Jan
    __3 None albert
    _51 the bee
    __1 Paul robin
    __1 Kerr mudd 1
    __2 Fred
    __1 Marcel
    _11 juergen 11
    __1 Gerry

    and for the fun of it sorted by amount:
    119 Wayne
    _51 the bee
    _36 Dxforth
    _28 Gnuarm

    _11 juergen

    __7 Zbig
    __3 None albert
    __2 Jan
    __2 Fred
    __1 Referen
    __1 Paul robin
    __1 Kerr mudd 1
    __1 Marcel
    __1 Gerry

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to jpit...@gmail.com on Sat Oct 1 15:14:45 2022
    We need to keep it up to date. More useful would be the rate of posting. How many in the last week or two...

    Most of us have no time for such foolishness. Some people are obsessed with this. One person seems to be dominating the conversation.

    --

    Rick C.

    ++-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    ++-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:14:39 PM UTC-4, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 19:06:53 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 16:46:06 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    You don't think you do wrong, and start issues? That you say intellectually unacceptable things you could try to
    pass by a Colonel or General you don't think much of, but to an expert, are just insulting, and deficient? Come
    on, get real, Jurgen is right! There is something fundamentally wrong with you guys stalking, hassling, disloyalty,
    disrupting, being rebels without a sufficient cause. Instead of leaving where you should never have been.
    Without even trying to engage in any polemics with the above statement, let me just note: how is it that until Wayne Morellini showed up, there was
    a period of relative peace here
  • From Jurgen Pitaske@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Sat Oct 1 23:29:20 2022
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 23:14:47 UTC+1, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    We need to keep it up to date. More useful would be the rate of posting. How many in the last week or two...

    Most of us have no time for such foolishness. Some people are obsessed with this. One person seems to be dominating the conversation.

    --

    Rick C.

    ++-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    ++-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
    On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 2:14:39 PM UTC-4, jpit...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 19:06:53 UTC+1, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:
    On Saturday, 1 October 2022 at 16:46:06 UTC+1, Zbig wrote:
    You don't think you do wrong, and start issues? That you say intellectually unacceptable things you could try to
    pass by a Colonel or General you don't think much of, but to an expert, are just insulting, and deficient? Come
    on, get real, Jurgen is right! There is something fundamentally wrong with you guys stalking, hassling, disloyalty,
    disrupting, being rebels without a sufficient cause. Instead of leaving where you should never have been.
    Without even trying to engage in any polemics with the above statement,
    let me just note: how is it that until Wayne Morellini showed up, there was
    a period of relative peace here — and since he got here, for the third month
    there have been some embarrassing quarrels?
    I wondered, what the statistics of this thread shows
    and how big the interest of the Forth World is:

    Statistics of this thread
    to see who is actually interested and posts:

    2022_10_01 1370 views

    Number of posts:
    119 Wayne
    __7 Zbig
    _36 Dxforth
    __1 Referen
    _28 Gnuarm
    __2 Jan
    __3 None albert
    _51 the bee
    __1 Paul robin
    __1 Kerr mudd 1
    __2 Fred
    __1 Marcel
    _11 juergen 11
    __1 Gerry

    and for the fun of it sorted by amount:
    119 Wayne
    _51 the bee
    _36 Dxforth
    _29 Gnuarm

    _13 juergen

    __7 Zbig
    __3 None albert
    __2 Jan
    __2 Fred
    __1 Referen
    __1 Paul robin
    __1 Kerr mudd 1
    __1 Marcel
    __1 Gerry


    Well, as you seem to like it - the first one to post and to to add to it,
    as foolish or silly as it might be,
    and you want keep it updated,
    I kindly hand it over to anybody interested
    then adding possibly the words per post
    OR ANY RELATION TO THE FORTH LANGUAGE

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Jurgen Pitaske on Sun Oct 2 18:24:39 2022
    On 2/10/2022 5:29 pm, Jurgen Pitaske wrote:

    Well, as you seem to like it - the first one to post and to to add to it,
    as foolish or silly as it might be,
    and you want keep it updated,
    I kindly hand it over to anybody interested
    then adding possibly the words per post
    OR ANY RELATION TO THE FORTH LANGUAGE

    Your interest in Forth is limited to what's good for you. Don't ask others
    to do differently.

    Jurgen Pitaske
    Jul 12, 2021, 12:55:15 AM

    And as of today I will definitely not recommend MPE for any consulting work. Or as source for Forth software.
    I just have to point people to this post here.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Mon Oct 3 01:25:25 2022
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:18:53 PM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Well Juergen, there are multiple threads here, and it seems that I've got less posts than the combination of all the idiots posting rubbish to stir the pot, that I have to answer to stop it getting out of whack, and it's my thread. That's a win, I
    should be posting more than them.


    They regard themselves a little bit too seriously to mess things up, as they have no importance here.

    How do you spell win?

    Of that's right, "win".

    There always trouble makers around, who, if they weren't there, I and all of us, would be much more productive. :)

    Still not up to their combined post total :)

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to gnuarm.del...@gmail.com on Mon Oct 3 01:18:52 2022
    Well Juergen, there are multiple threads here, and it seems that I've got less posts than the combination of all the idiots posting rubbish to stir the pot, that I have to answer to stop it getting out of whack, and it's my thread. That's a win, I
    should be posting more than them.


    They regard themselves a little bit too seriously to mess things up, as they have no importance here. For example:


    'On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 8:14:47 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    ..
    Most of us have no time for such foolishness. Some people are obsessed with this...

    --

    Rick C.
    Richard Collins Artemus.

    Of course not? You just come along starting issues, like you are now. I'm virtually always a good listener, aswell as agreeing with what is truthful, with relatively good conduct. Which is why I don't interfere with other's threads self importantly.:

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Mon Oct 3 09:43:36 2022
    On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 01:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
    Wayne morellini <waynemorellini@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:18:53 PM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Well Juergen, there are multiple threads here, and it seems that I've got less posts than the combination of all the idiots posting rubbish to stir the pot, that I have to answer to stop it getting out of whack, and it's my thread. That's a win, I
    should be posting more than them.


    They regard themselves a little bit too seriously to mess things up, as they have no importance here.

    How do you spell win?


    Only trolls "win" by out-posting others.
    No one "owns" a thread, let alone a newsgroup.

    Of that's right, "win".

    There always trouble makers around, who, if they weren't there, I and all of us, would be much more productive. :)

    Distracted easily? or is this a self-reference?

    Still not up to their combined post total :)

    *Content* is what's important.


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to John on Mon Oct 3 20:54:49 2022
    On 3/10/2022 7:43 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 01:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
    Wayne morellini <waynemorellini@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:18:53 PM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Well Juergen, there are multiple threads here, and it seems that I've got less posts than the combination of all the idiots posting rubbish to stir the pot, that I have to answer to stop it getting out of whack, and it's my thread. That's a win, I
    should be posting more than them.


    They regard themselves a little bit too seriously to mess things up, as they have no importance here.

    How do you spell win?


    Only trolls "win" by out-posting others.
    No one "owns" a thread, let alone a newsgroup.

    Of that's right, "win".

    There always trouble makers around, who, if they weren't there, I and all of us, would be much more productive. :)

    Distracted easily? or is this a self-reference?

    Still not up to their combined post total :)

    *Content* is what's important.

    Alas, the precursor to content is doing stuff else it's going to be a rehash
    of what's been before. But wait ... I have a plan.

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Sat Oct 8 11:00:37 2022
    On 8/10/2022 10:38 am, Wayne morellini wrote:

    I am not your mother or psychiatrist.

    Funny you should mention it.

    I've been here about processing things to a wider benefit, which you fight, therefore you wrongly fight the community.

    While not the first to come to c.l.f. with such delusions, you're easily the most
    persistent. When did these notions you were doing mankind a great service begin?

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to John on Fri Oct 7 16:38:46 2022
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:43:38 PM UTC+10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
    On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 01:25:25 -0700 (PDT)
    Wayne morellini <waynemo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 6:18:53 PM UTC+10, Wayne morellini wrote:
    Well Juergen, there are multiple threads here, and it seems that I've got less posts than the combination of all the idiots posting rubbish to stir the pot, that I have to answer to stop it getting out of whack, and it's my thread. That's a win, I
    should be posting more than them.


    They regard themselves a little bit too seriously to mess things up, as they have no importance here.
    ..
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
    Said:

    Only trolls "win" by out-posting others.
    No one "owns" a thread, let alone a newsgroup.

    That attack is a lie.

    Yes, you guys did do idiotic stuff and out post me, and I posted less. You guys, on the same theme, did try to own ('hijack') another's threads, like you "own" the newsgroup, not me. You guys tried to falsely accuse me and used strawman arguments on me,
    but failed. Got most conversations wrong. Tried to undermine legally productive work. Anybody know if that is covered by industrial sabotage laws? Give up trying to look superior by doing wrong guys, it just makes you look the opposite. It's not I
    who have no place left in the world after this. If you were superior you would have been helpful, or be gone. This is less than mindful or intelligent.


    Dxforth, you don't know the process, you have nothing. Tell me where is dxforth going? I hear lots of proud words from you guys but no evidence. I don't see you doing anything original, at least do the work of coming up with something original, the
    real Work. At least Hans tries to do something. But none of is on the level discussed for industry expansion. But before you say anything, why haven't you tried to promote the cpm community with your forth. My old proposal, was to virtualise cpm
    programs into containers, with a copy and paste sharing, and auto input feild detection in code into form templates, with complete editability and maybe even latter rediting (with the control program tracking where to replace data, if possible), all in
    seperate windows (each program could have its own virtual drive for that matter). This, while not knowing of anything like that ever existing, probably emulated on an arm or misc. Why didn't you do that if so useful, because you could not even come up
    with the structure of the plan. Don't go acting superior. All you guys are doing lower side work in your fields, and that's what's driving your attitude. With your behaviour, it doesn't matter about the group, forth, the community, the world, it's
    about you guys not feeling less. I'm not here to support your wrong grab for self significance. I am not your mother or psychiatrist. I've been here about processing things to a wider benefit, which you fight, therefore you wrongly fight the community.

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  • From Lorem Ipsum@21:1/5 to dxforth on Fri Oct 7 18:55:44 2022
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 8:00:39 PM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/10/2022 10:38 am, Wayne morellini wrote:

    I am not your mother or psychiatrist.
    Funny you should mention it.
    I've been here about processing things to a wider benefit, which you fight, therefore you wrongly fight the community.
    While not the first to come to c.l.f. with such delusions, you're easily the most
    persistent. When did these notions you were doing mankind a great service begin?

    He is not entirely as vicious as Hugh, but he is pretty much as paranoid and delusional. I feel sorry for him.

    --

    Rick C.

    +++- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
    +++- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Fri Oct 7 19:36:16 2022
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:00:39 AM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/10/2022 10:38 am, Wayne morellini wrote:
    ..
    psychiatrist.
    Funny you should mention it.
    Poor thing! Tell me where you are, I can look up one for you! :)

    I've been here about processing things to a wider benefit, which you fight, therefore you wrongly fight the community.
    ..
    persistent. When did these notions you were doing mankind a great service begin?

    When you wake up you don't live for yourself, to not live for others is VERY delusional...

    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 11:55:46 AM UTC+10, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 8:00:39 PM UTC-4, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/10/2022 10:38 am, Wayne morellini wrote:
    ..
    He is not entirely as vicious as Hugh, but he is pretty much as paranoid and delusional. I feel sorry for him.

    Trying hard and still sore you could not win Richard!

    You guys are not acting normal. Do any of your employers have employment policies on community conduct and responsibility?

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  • From dxforth@21:1/5 to Wayne morellini on Sun Oct 9 14:42:36 2022
    On 8/10/2022 1:36 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 10:00:39 AM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/10/2022 10:38 am, Wayne morellini wrote:
    ..
    psychiatrist.
    Funny you should mention it.
    Poor thing! Tell me where you are, I can look up one for you! :)

    I've been here about processing things to a wider benefit, which you fight, therefore you wrongly fight the community.
    ..
    persistent. When did these notions you were doing mankind a great service begin?

    When you wake up you don't live for yourself, to not live for others is VERY delusional...
    ...

    Do any of your employers have employment policies on community conduct and responsibility?

    What you mean to say is everyone should live for you.

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  • From Wayne morellini@21:1/5 to dxforth on Sat Oct 8 21:43:02 2022
    On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 1:42:39 PM UTC+10, dxforth wrote:
    On 8/10/2022 1:36 pm, Wayne morellini wrote:
    ..
    Do any of your employers have employment policies on community conduct and responsibility?
    What you mean to say is everyone should ..

    ? Projection!

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