• Re: OT: Academia

    From mhx@21:1/5 to dxf on Sat Apr 20 20:34:39 2024
    dxf wrote:

    https://youtu.be/LKiBlGDfRU8

    On a brighter note ... or not

    https://youtu.be/zpU_e3jh_FY

    Ouite a bit brighter than most (videos). And interesting to
    see that there are still quite a few people that think so, too.

    -marcel

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  • From Krishna Myneni@21:1/5 to Krishna Myneni on Sat Apr 20 22:42:16 2024
    On 4/20/24 22:37, Krishna Myneni wrote:
    On 4/20/24 08:32, dxf wrote:
    https://youtu.be/LKiBlGDfRU8

    On a brighter note ... or not

    https://youtu.be/zpU_e3jh_FY


    Sabine Hossenfelder is not a big fan of academia, having spent a good
    deal of her career in it. In fact, she made a video entitled, "why
    academia sucks." I can empathize with much of what she says, although I
    don't agree with everything she says.

    Regarding free will and the theoretically deterministic nature of future possibilities, ... I've never lost any sleep over it.


    Oh, I just now noticed that your first link was to the "why academia
    sucks" video.

    --
    KM

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  • From Krishna Myneni@21:1/5 to dxf on Sat Apr 20 22:37:19 2024
    On 4/20/24 08:32, dxf wrote:
    https://youtu.be/LKiBlGDfRU8

    On a brighter note ... or not

    https://youtu.be/zpU_e3jh_FY


    Sabine Hossenfelder is not a big fan of academia, having spent a good
    deal of her career in it. In fact, she made a video entitled, "why
    academia sucks." I can empathize with much of what she says, although I
    don't agree with everything she says.

    Regarding free will and the theoretically deterministic nature of future possibilities, ... I've never lost any sleep over it.

    --
    Krishna

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  • From mhx@21:1/5 to Krishna Myneni on Sun Apr 21 09:11:31 2024
    Krishna Myneni wrote:

    Regarding free will and the theoretically deterministic nature of future possibilities, ... I've never lost any sleep over it.

    I remember having sleepness mornings over the issue when I was 10 years
    old or so. This was caused by my parents urging me to go to church
    (I don't think they expected me to really listen what was being said).

    I succeeded to work out both problems and have been extremely well-rested
    on every Sunday since.

    -marcel

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  • From Krishna Myneni@21:1/5 to mhx on Sun Apr 21 08:23:13 2024
    On 4/21/24 04:11, mhx wrote:
    Krishna Myneni wrote:

    Regarding free will and the theoretically deterministic nature of
    future possibilities, ... I've never lost any sleep over it.

    I remember having sleepness mornings over the issue when I was 10 years
    old or so. This was caused by my parents urging me to go to church (I
    don't think they expected me to really listen what was being said).
    I succeeded to work out both problems and have been extremely well-rested
    on every Sunday since.

    It's hard enough predicting simple physics of a few particles
    interacting with each other. Forget about predicting a large scale
    system like the human brain. Under special situations like coherent
    quantum matter (Bose-Einstein condensates), the behavior of macroscopic collection of particles can be described using "mean-field" theories; otherwise, gross approximations are needed.

    I tend to dismiss statements like "in principle it is possible to
    determine the behavior of the brain" because it is neither a practical possibility, nor can we see any way of applying fundamental rules of
    quantum mechanics to such a complex, macroscopic object other than
    simulation by a similarly complex quantum system which can be initialized.

    --
    Krishna

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  • From sjack@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 21 16:18:28 2024

    I succeeded to work out both problems and have been extremely well-rested
    on every Sunday since.

    Man hears train coming; sees he can beat it and gets killed by the
    train on the second track coming from the other direction.

    Many a successful man will happily boast of not being held back by
    lack of education.

    Neighbor kid started young mowing lawns. In a few months saw him
    riding down the street on a small mower. Now he's full grown; has
    many trucks, trailers, boat, mountain bike, rv, more than three
    homes, land with cattle, all from mowing. His two x-wives liked his
    toys but not his independence.

    When I was young, deacon lectured me on the wisdom of standing on
    the solid rock of Peter and not sinking in the shifting sands of
    philosophy. I didn't know what philosophy was. Unintentionally
    I spent most of my life traversing shifting sands of one sort
    or another. Bruised and beaten but I can still smile thinking
    back to that time.

    Leaned a new word last week (already forgot it but will know it
    if I see it again.) That very same day as I revisited some documents
    I found that word in several of them. Until aware much of
    one's surrounding is oblivious at the conscious level. Perhaps
    that gives rise to the abundance of zombie movies.

    Higher education is good but doesn't translate into street smarts on
    its own. Many things have to be learned the hard way. One can read
    all the advice on marriage but until the plunge is taken, for better
    or worse, KNOW wont be really known (some people think they know 'KNOW
    in the biblical sense', but that just may be the first train.)

    --
    me

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  • From mhx@21:1/5 to sjack on Sun Apr 21 18:32:52 2024
    sjack wrote:

    [..]
    Higher education is good but doesn't translate into street smarts on
    its own.

    It depends on what one calls 'higher education' and what one considers
    to be street smart. At least in the technical professions it doesn't
    (well, shouldn't) work to just read books and papers or listen to
    people reciting them.

    I know mathematicians that are proud of not being able to program
    a single line, that can tell you exactly why you should use the
    symmetric successive over-relaxation method with Chebyshev
    semi-iterative acceleration, without ever having used it themselves
    (why, they can derive the proof that it works). On the other hand,
    there are lots of people that solve their electrostatic field
    problems with Excel, or are able to squeeze a floppydisk-based
    telephone answering program in a 3 Kbyte RAM micro.

    And then, there is Knuth.

    -marcel

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  • From minforth@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 21 18:46:38 2024
    You old fogies are so retro! Just CO2-emitting f..ts!
    Study Post-Capitalist Queer Astrology for the progress of humanity!

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  • From Krishna Myneni@21:1/5 to mhx on Sun Apr 21 15:37:41 2024
    On 4/21/24 13:32, mhx wrote:
    sjack wrote:

    [..]
    Higher education is good but doesn't translate into street smarts on
    its own.

    ...
    On the other hand, there
    are lots of people that solve their electrostatic field problems with
    Excel, ...

    Using Excel for electrostatic field problems! They're in for a nasty
    surprise if they code the Coulomb force as -A1^2.

    --
    Krishna

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  • From minforth@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 21 22:47:59 2024
    OT: is novabbs compromised ?????????????????
    (see the last lunatic message using my account)

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  • From Krishna Myneni@21:1/5 to minforth on Sun Apr 21 18:18:06 2024
    On 4/21/24 17:47, minforth wrote:
    OT: is novabbs compromised ?????????????????
    (see the last lunatic message using my account)

    I thought it was snark. :-)

    -- KM

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  • From Anton Ertl@21:1/5 to minforth on Mon Apr 22 07:41:46 2024
    minforth@gmx.net (minforth) writes:
    OT: is novabbs compromised ?????????????????
    (see the last lunatic message using my account)

    Usenet in general and NNTP in particular does not authenticate. I
    could change the name and email address in the From: line to be "minforth@gmx.net (minforth)"; I might get problems with my NNTP
    provider, but I expect that there are providers who don't care (Google
    groups used to be one who was used for injecting huge amounts of
    illegitimate messages).

    One can inspect the headers of the message to discover traces of the
    spoofing, but 1) you don't provide a Message-Id for the supposedly
    spoofed message and 2) if the spoofed message was really from your
    account (i.e., your account is compromised rather than somebody
    exploiting the lack of authentication in Usenet), one will not see a
    difference in the headers.

    - anton
    --
    M. Anton Ertl http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
    comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
    New standard: https://forth-standard.org/
    EuroForth 2023: https://euro.theforth.net/2023

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Anton Ertl on Mon Apr 22 09:54:09 2024
    On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:41:46 GMT
    anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote:

    minforth@gmx.net (minforth) writes:
    OT: is novabbs compromised ?????????????????
    (see the last lunatic message using my account)

    Usenet in general and NNTP in particular does not authenticate. I
    could change the name and email address in the From: line to be "minforth@gmx.net (minforth)"; I might get problems with my NNTP
    provider, but I expect that there are providers who don't care (Google
    groups used to be one who was used for injecting huge amounts of
    illegitimate messages).

    One can inspect the headers of the message to discover traces of the spoofing, but 1) you don't provide a Message-Id for the supposedly
    spoofed message and 2) if the spoofed message was really from your
    account (i.e., your account is compromised rather than somebody
    exploiting the lack of authentication in Usenet), one will not see a difference in the headers.


    It was this one:

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    From: minforth@gmx.net (minforth) Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
    Subject: Re: OT: Academia
    Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:46:38 +0000
    Organization: novaBBS
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    logging-data="1920641"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org";
    posting-account="0+ejqm+s29REto3A2x2P4fP+XaUXf51pZgtYBR0nEqI"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light
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    [abusive content deleted]


    Newer post is (sadly wrapped by my pasting)

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    From: minforth@gmx.net (minforth) Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
    Subject: Re: OT: Academia
    Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 22:47:59 +0000
    Organization: novaBBS
    Message-ID: <781c1b2c1ed15bc9f8a86188583779b1@www.novabbs.com>
    References: <6623c3e8$1@news.ausics.net> <v021lg$4541$1@dont-email.me> <4dff8140dcc9ccc26c74e4bb3e95660f@www.novabbs.com> <v03e8i$csg7 $1@dont-email.me> <4147c32974b77d4e7ca7ecdb2c3b3e07@www.novabbs.com> <v03tel$g3dd$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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    $0LPwYyVQ/WQsubh5XDk2ROzeHvp23u8P.baHQ5Z7.M1.ZmK8kY/Ra
    X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: d2a19558f194e2f1f8393b8d9be9ef51734a4da3 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.forth:123620

    OT: is novabbs compromised ?????????????????
    (see the last lunatic message using my account) -----------------------------------------------------

    Looks highly similar.


    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From minforth@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 22 09:51:32 2024
    Thanks for looking into this. I tried to delete the account.
    But either I am too stupid, or novabbs does not seem to offer it.
    Strange.

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  • From sjack@21:1/5 to mhx on Mon Apr 22 14:08:11 2024
    mhx <mhx@iae.nl> wrote:

    It depends on what one calls 'higher education' and what one considers
    to be street smart. At least in the technical professions it doesn't

    'street smarts' more along the line of navigating outside of one's own
    turf (can you survive getting on the wrong subway in New York?).

    Achilles was of noble character and the most highly skilled soldier on
    the battle field but the troops put more faith in the 'sob' Aggamenom
    to see them through the turbulence of war.

    Had a colleague who was outstandingly brilliant, technically. Highly
    bright, hard core engineers would stand in awe watching him operate.
    However, all he knew of the outside world was the garbage the media
    fed him. He did make a million playing options in the stock market but
    the last I saw him he was off to take on the casinos. He was a nice
    guy; I wish him well.

    Modern day philosophers don't put much stock in Plato's idealism. But
    I found it very relatable to the creative activity. An engineer or
    artist has an idea that's maybe worked out on paper. But the crucial
    effort is adapting it to the material that will contain it. The ideal
    is good and interesting but realization takes getting intimate with
    the material and dealing with some crud.

    Now blind men do 'see' the elephant differently. To some its not so
    bad but those are generally the ones that didn't spend much time under
    the tail.

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  • From sjack@21:1/5 to minforth on Mon Apr 22 14:08:15 2024
    minforth <minforth@gmx.net> wrote:
    You old fogies are so retro! Just CO2-emitting f..ts!

    Can't deny it :(

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  • From Krishna Myneni@21:1/5 to sjack on Tue Apr 23 19:05:40 2024
    On 4/22/24 09:08, sjack wrote:
    minforth <minforth@gmx.net> wrote:
    You old fogies are so retro! Just CO2-emitting f..ts!

    Can't deny it :(

    When I read it, I laughed out loud (LOL'd ?) and my wife asked me what I
    was laughing about.

    Now, if you will excuse me, I have to get back to listening to the
    latest album "dropped" by Taylor Swift.

    --
    Krishna

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