I guess some posters here have adequate SPAM filtering and don't see what I see in Google Groups,
but at this point, every thread on the first page is SPAM, except for the very last one.
On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 4:38:08 PM UTC+11, Lorem Ipsum wrote:
I guess some posters here have adequate SPAM filtering and don't see what I see in Google Groups, but at this point, every thread on the first page is SPAM, except for the very last one. Not sure how many that is, maybe 25?
Your post above hasn't made it to eternal-september so perhaps it may too have joined the google-groups boycott.
Anyway, with this new infusion of so much SPAM, I will be giving up on usenet. This is just insane.
Usenet is taking action by cutting google-groups. That's all you need to do.
I guess some posters here have adequate SPAM filtering and don't see what I see in Google Groups, but at this point, every thread on the first page is SPAM, except for the very last one. Not sure how many that is, maybe 25?
Anyway, with this new infusion of so much SPAM, I will be giving up on usenet. This is just insane.
Check filtered clf here: https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.forth
The only other group I've been posting in is sed, which is a seriously
crap group anyway.
That one has as much SPAM, but more valid postings... well, depending on how you define "valid" postings. A large percentage of the normal posters like to talk trash about any old subject that comes to mind.
Anyway, with this new infusion of so much SPAM, I will be giving up on usenet. This is just insane.
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 22:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
Lorem Ipsum <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
The only other group I've been posting in is sed, which is a seriously crap group anyway.I've never heard of such a group. Are you sure you're not confusing usenet with the googlegroups message boards ? If "sed" means the Unix stream editor then the appropriate newsgroup is comp.unix.shell .
That one has as much SPAM, but more valid postings... well, depending on howYou are definitely not talking about comp.unix.shell .
you define "valid" postings. A large percentage of the normal posters like to talk trash about any old subject that comes to mind.
Anyway, with this new infusion of so much SPAM, I will be giving up on usenet. This is just insane.Any reason you can't switch to using a newsreader ?
In any case ,
comp.lang.forth is not dying. If users who access the group through googlegroups decide to give up on it (instead of start using a newsreader) , it will be unfortunate but the group will carry on without them.
On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:39:30 AM UTC-4, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 22:38:05 -0700 (PDT)science.engineering.design
Lorem Ipsum <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
The only other group I've been posting in is sed, which is a seriously crap group anyway.I've never heard of such a group. Are you sure you're not confusing usenet with the googlegroups message boards ? If "sed" means the Unix stream editor
then the appropriate newsgroup is comp.unix.shell .
YesThat one has as much SPAM, but more valid postings... well, depending on howYou are definitely not talking about comp.unix.shell .
you define "valid" postings. A large percentage of the normal posters like
to talk trash about any old subject that comes to mind.
Anyway, with this new infusion of so much SPAM, I will be giving up on usenet. This is just insane.Any reason you can't switch to using a newsreader ?
In any case ,--
comp.lang.forth is not dying. If users who access the group through googlegroups decide to give up on it (instead of start using a newsreader) ,
it will be unfortunate but the group will carry on without them.
Rick C.
+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Le dimanche 29 octobre 2023 à 23:37:53 UTC+1, Lorem Ipsum a écrit :
On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:39:30 AM UTC-4, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 22:38:05 -0700 (PDT)science.engineering.design
Lorem Ipsum <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
The only other group I've been posting in is sed, which is a seriously crap group anyway.I've never heard of such a group. Are you sure you're not confusing usenet
with the googlegroups message boards ? If "sed" means the Unix stream editor
then the appropriate newsgroup is comp.unix.shell .
YesThat one has as much SPAM, but more valid postings... well, depending on howYou are definitely not talking about comp.unix.shell .
you define "valid" postings. A large percentage of the normal posters like
to talk trash about any old subject that comes to mind.
Anyway, with this new infusion of so much SPAM, I will be giving up on usenet. This is just insane.Any reason you can't switch to using a newsreader ?
In any case ,--
comp.lang.forth is not dying. If users who access the group through googlegroups decide to give up on it (instead of start using a newsreader) ,
it will be unfortunate but the group will carry on without them.
Rick C.
+ Get 1,000 miles of free Superchargingcomp.lang.forth is not dying only - I insist on ONLY -if users do not their work part on declaring SPAM messages to make them disappear
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
In Google Groups, reporting SPAM posts only deletes them from your own view. Everyone has to delete the SPAM posts for themselves.
On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 8:49:42 AM UTC-4, gobli...@gmail.com wrote:
Le dimanche 29 octobre 2023 à 23:37:53 UTC+1, Lorem Ipsum a écrit :
On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 9:39:30 AM UTC-4, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 22:38:05 -0700 (PDT)science.engineering.design
Lorem Ipsum <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
The only other group I've been posting in is sed, which is a seriouslyI've never heard of such a group. Are you sure you're not confusing usenet
crap group anyway.
with the googlegroups message boards ? If "sed" means the Unix stream editor
then the appropriate newsgroup is comp.unix.shell .
YesThat one has as much SPAM, but more valid postings... well, depending on howYou are definitely not talking about comp.unix.shell .
you define "valid" postings. A large percentage of the normal posters like
to talk trash about any old subject that comes to mind.
Anyway, with this new infusion of so much SPAM, I will be giving up onAny reason you can't switch to using a newsreader ?
usenet. This is just insane.
In any case ,--
comp.lang.forth is not dying. If users who access the group through googlegroups decide to give up on it (instead of start using a newsreader) ,
it will be unfortunate but the group will carry on without them.
Rick C.
In Google Groups, reporting SPAM posts only deletes them from your own view. Everyone has to delete the SPAM posts for themselves.+ Get 1,000 miles of free Superchargingcomp.lang.forth is not dying only - I insist on ONLY -if users do not their work part on declaring SPAM messages to make them disappear
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
Lorem Ipsum schrieb am Montag, 30. Oktober 2023 um 20:04:55 UTC+1:
In Google Groups, reporting SPAM posts only deletes them from your own view. Everyone has to delete the SPAM posts for themselves.I wouldn't be surprised if you mark spams as read,
that someone else smiles while earning a microcent.
Make those poor bastards happy!
How would anyone know I opened a post and get revenue for that??? =20
Lorem Ipsum <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> writes:
How would anyone know I opened a post and get revenue for that??? =20
Given that you use Google Groups, certainly Google knows, and they get revenue by serving you advertisements in addition to the group's
contents. They may also get revenue from selling data about you.
Instead of giving up on Usenet, just give up on google groups (op) and use a filtered server.
Check filtered clf here: https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.forth
Instead of giving up on Usenet, just give up on google groups (op) and use a filtered server.
Check filtered clf here: https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.forth
I wonder if that server allows for properly formatted code in the posts
(like using some kind of „code” tags, or similarly), and doesn't misformat
it (which GG server does)?
That alone would be quite encouraging.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:11:42=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Anton Ertl wrote:
Given that you use Google Groups, certainly Google knows, and they get=20
revenue by serving you advertisements in addition to the group's=20
contents. They may also get revenue from selling data about you.=20
What advertisements?
What "data"???
I take it you've never used Google Gr=
oups?=20
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Zbig <zbigniew2011@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of giving up on Usenet, just give up on google groups (op) and use a filtered server.
Check filtered clf here:
https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.forth
I wonder if that server allows for properly formatted code in the posts
(like using some kind of "code" tags, or similarly), and doesn't misformat >> it (which GG server does)?
Properly formatted is relative.
It does use monospaced fonts,
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> writes:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Zbig <zbigniew2011@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of giving up on Usenet, just give up on google groups (op) and use a filtered server.
Check filtered clf here:
https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.forth
I wonder if that server allows for properly formatted code in the posts
(like using some kind of "code" tags, or similarly), and doesn't misformat >> it (which GG server does)?
Properly formatted is relative.
Not at all.
It does use monospaced fonts,
Which is proper formatting for Usenet. It even decodes the
quoted-printable misfeature that Zbig posted (probably without
knowing, just by using Google Groups; I wonder if the UTF-8 quotes
(which I replaced with ASCII ") are his doing or another misfeature of
Google Groups). If you want to see what his article looks like in a
client that is unaware of quoted-printable (like mine, or al.howardknight.net), take a look at <http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=169883960600>.
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> writes:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Zbig <zbigniew2011@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of giving up on Usenet, just give up on google groups (op) and use a filtered server.
Check filtered clf here:
https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.forth
I wonder if that server allows for properly formatted code in the posts
(like using some kind of "code" tags, or similarly), and doesn't misformat >> it (which GG server does)?
Properly formatted is relative.
Not at all.
block1
code
block2
more code
block3
even more code
end block
end block
end block
It does use monospaced fonts,
Which is proper formatting for Usenet. It even decodes the
quoted-printable misfeature that Zbig posted (probably without
knowing, just by using Google Groups; I wonder if the UTF-8 quotes
(which I replaced with ASCII ") are his doing or another misfeature of
Google Groups). If you want to see what his article looks like in a
client that is unaware of quoted-printable (like mine, or al.howardknight.net), take a look at <http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=169883960600>.
On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 11:58:38 GMT
anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote:
Lorem Ipsum <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> writes:
I take it you've never used Google Groups?
I have used it decades ago (when it came out of the ashes of dejanews)
for looking up old postings. It became increasingly broken (as in: I
did not find a significant part of the postings I wanted to find,
despite having its Message-Id) and painful over time, and, of course,
once there was al.howardknight.net and www.novabbs.com, there has been
no reason to go there. And now that Google Groups does not let me do anything without signing in, I obviously don't use it.
I hadn't noticed the development you mention in your last sentence. It
turns out that it's not as bad as that. If you already have a URL to a
thread , you can access it. For example I can read https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.lang.forth/u93Qrmr_sLc using
w3m .But just trying to access the group , I get a message that you
need javascript enabled to sign in and it's the same when I have w3m
pretend to be firefox. So another turn for the worse for googlegroups
it seems. I wonder when they are going to shut it down completely.
Lorem Ipsum <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> writes:
I take it you've never used Google Groups?
I have used it decades ago (when it came out of the ashes of dejanews)
for looking up old postings. It became increasingly broken (as in: I
did not find a significant part of the postings I wanted to find,
despite having its Message-Id) and painful over time, and, of course,
once there was al.howardknight.net and www.novabbs.com, there has been
no reason to go there. And now that Google Groups does not let me do anything without signing in, I obviously don't use it.
Nope. I can use w3m to access https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth >and https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/TwHq81HHz8Y (this thread) >just fine ; no signing in is needed ; also no cookies and no javascript since >w3m doesn't support it.
I think that the issue with quoted-printable is that people who post >through googlegroups type their messages in a browser window and only press ><enter> when changing a paragraph. This results in long logical lines. The >relevant RFC gives a "SHOULD" that physical lines should not be above a >certain number of octets. I don't remember how long but it is below 100 >octets.
So the googlegroups interface obeys that SHOULD and breaks up longer
lines to physical lines which do not exceed the limit and uses the line >continuation feature of quoted-printable to indicate what the logical lines >should be. This I consider correct design : preserve the logical lines as the >user typed them.
By the way , Anton , didn't you use to use emacs ? emacs can certainly >handle quoted-printable .Why have you switched to xrn ? Is it even >maintained ?
On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 11:47:29 GMT
anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) wrote:
Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> writes:
On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Zbig <zbigniew2011@gmail.com> wrote:
Instead of giving up on Usenet, just give up on google groups (op) and use a filtered server.
Check filtered clf here:
https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.forth
I wonder if that server allows for properly formatted code in the posts >>>> (like using some kind of "code" tags, or similarly), and doesn't misformat >>>> it (which GG server does)?
Properly formatted is relative.
Not at all.
"Properly formatted" is too general. The complaint about googlegroups is more specific : a few months ago it started breaking code indentation. So someone would post not using googlegroups something like
block1
code
block2
more code
block3
even more code
end block
end block
end block
and when someone replied through googlegroups , the above would be quoted as
block1
code
block2
more code
block3
even more code
end block
end block
end block
.It has nothing to do with fonts or other issues of formatting. I don't know if googlegroups still does that.
Lorem Ipsum <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> writes:
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:11:42=E2=80=AFAM UTC-4, Anton Ertl wrote: >> Given that you use Google Groups, certainly Google knows, and they get=20 >> revenue by serving you advertisements in addition to the group's=20
contents. They may also get revenue from selling data about you.=20
What advertisements?
You have never been served advertisements by Google, ever?
Note that
a lot of the advertisements on non-Google web services are served by
Google.
What "data"???
Data that they determine from what you read and what you write. There
is a reason why Google Groups now requires signing in to an account
even if you only want to read.
I take it you've never used Google Gr=
oups?=20
I have used it decades ago (when it came out of the ashes of dejanews)
for looking up old postings. It became increasingly broken (as in: I
did not find a significant part of the postings I wanted to find,
despite having its Message-Id) and painful over time, and, of course,
once there was al.howardknight.net and www.novabbs.com, there has been
no reason to go there. And now that Google Groups does not let me do anything without signing in, I obviously don't use it.
On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 8:12:29 AM UTC-4, Anton Ertl wrote:
You have never been served advertisements by Google, ever?
Read my lips. I've never seen an ad in GG. Not that I recall. Did they used to serve ads a decade or more ago? I know they've gone through
several iterations of "improvements", but I don't ever recall seeing an ad. Where would they put them?
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
Nope. I can use w3m to access https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth >and https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.forth/c/TwHq81HHz8Y (this thread) >just fine ; no signing in is needed ; also no cookies and no javascript since
w3m doesn't support it.
That's a nice improvement compared to the state of Google Groups that
I remember. In <2012Jul16.165632@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (from, obviously, 2012) I reported that Google Groups requires JavaScript to
view a Google Groups link to some discussion. Maybe the competition
from novabbs and al.howardknight.net has inspired them to reconsider
their course.
comp.lang.forth is not dying only - I insist on ONLY -if users do not their work part on declaring SPAM messages to make them disappear
gobli...@gmail.com wrote:
comp.lang.forth is not dying only - I insist on ONLY -if users do not their work part on declaring SPAM messages to make them disappearAFAICS c.l.f. is about to become a dead horse.
AFAICS c.l.f. is about to become a dead horse.
minforth wrote:
AFAICS c.l.f. is about to become a dead horse.
I see no spam on novabbs.com, but the number of postings
is very low (I guess most were coming in from GG).
It's too early to say that the number of really interesting postings is dropping.
mhx wrote:
[..]
Seems to do exactly what I want. Registered.
I note that CLF in Google groups is spam-free again.
Maybe they turned filtering off to drive users out,
preparing for completely stopping groups in February.
-marcel
Seems to do exactly what I want. Registered.
On 6/01/2024 8:28 pm, mhx wrote:
mhx wrote:
[..]
Seems to do exactly what I want. Registered.
I note that CLF in Google groups is spam-free again. Maybe they turned filtering off to drive users out, preparing for completely stopping groups in February.
Turning-off filtering was necessary to support their claim:
"Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text)
file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam."
as unsubstantiated as it was.
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