In article <930c944c-c7d4-4ad6-9c4c-cb4e07604b30n@googlegroups.com>,
Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> wrote:

Just some quick doodles concerning this subject:

: fperi-ellipse ( a b -- peri)
fover fover f+ frot frot f- \ (a+b) (a-b)
fdup f* fover fdup f* \ (a+b) (a-b)^2 (a+b)^2
f/ 3 s>f f* \ (a+b) 3h
4 s>f fover f- fsqrt \ (a+b) 3h sqrt(4-3h)
10 s>f f+ f/ \ (a+b) (3h/(10+sqrt(4-3h)))
1 s>f f+ f* pi f* \ pi*(a+b)*(1+(3h/(10+sqrt(4-3h))))
;
( a b -- peri)
: fperi-ellipse-fast 75 s>f f* fswap 120 s>f f* f+ 100 s>f f/ pi f* ;

The first is of Ramanujan - with excellent accuracy. The second has allegedly >better properties than the more familiar 2PI (SQRT((a*a+b*b)/2)) and doesn't >need an expensive FSQRT.

What?
\ --------------------------------
WANT -fp- MARK-TIME
FINIT

: test 1.0E100 1,000,000 0 DO FSQRT 1.0E0 F+ LOOP ;

MARK-TIME test FS. ELAPSED .uS
\ --------------------------------

INCLUDE /tmp/fp.frt
test : ISN'T UNIQUE
2.618033988749894687E0 26701 uS OK
27 ns for a FSQRT with an increment thrown in.
Even with a 1 KWatt machine an .25 per KWh that is
astronomically inexpensive.

Hans Bezemer

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Just some quick doodles concerning this subject:

: fperi-ellipse ( a b -- peri)
fover fover f+ frot frot f- \ (a+b) (a-b)
fdup f* fover fdup f* \ (a+b) (a-b)^2 (a+b)^2
f/ 3 s>f f* \ (a+b) 3h
4 s>f fover f- fsqrt \ (a+b) 3h sqrt(4-3h)
10 s>f f+ f/ \ (a+b) (3h/(10+sqrt(4-3h)))
1 s>f f+ f* pi f* \ pi*(a+b)*(1+(3h/(10+sqrt(4-3h))))
;
( a b -- peri)
: fperi-ellipse-fast 75 s>f f* fswap 120 s>f f* f+ 100 s>f f/ pi f* ;

The first is of Ramanujan - with excellent accuracy. The second has allegedly better properties than the more familiar 2PI (SQRT((a*a+b*b)/2)) and doesn't need an expensive FSQRT.

Hans Bezemer

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:53:29 PM UTC+2, none albert wrote:

The first is of Ramanujan - with excellent accuracy. The second has allegedly
better properties than the more familiar 2PI (SQRT((a*a+b*b)/2)) and doesn't
need an expensive FSQRT.

What?

If you leech a CPU instruction - sure. If you do it in high level Forth, it's more expensive.
That goes for everything a CISC processor delivers.

Hans Bezemer

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:52:10 PM UTC+2, Hans Bezemer wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:53:29 PM UTC+2, none albert wrote:

[..]

A single fsqrt is 6.308 ns, a single fperi-ellipse 15.3 ns, and fperi-ellipse-fast is 6.07 ns.

1. fsqrt is so fast that we can't test it with a simple DO ... LOOP.
2. fsqrt's properties are no excuse for the horribly inaccurate fperi-ellipse-fast.

-marcel

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On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:31:37 PM UTC+2, Marcel Hendrix wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 4:52:10 PM UTC+2, Hans Bezemer wrote:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:53:29 PM UTC+2, none albert wrote:

[..]

A single fsqrt is 6.308 ns, a single fperi-ellipse 15.3 ns, and fperi-ellipse-fast is 6.07 ns.

1. fsqrt is so fast that we can't test it with a simple DO ... LOOP.
2. fsqrt's properties are no excuse for the horribly inaccurate fperi-ellipse-fast.

I never claimed the fast one is very accurate. I just claimed it was more accurate
than the usual 2Pi*(sqrt((a*a+b*b)/2)) ALLEGEDLY.

Some people really have a problem reading a post properly.. sigh.

Hans Bezemer

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Hans Bezemer schrieb am Freitag, 22. September 2023 um 16:52:10 UTC+2:

On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 3:53:29 PM UTC+2, none albert wrote:

The first is of Ramanujan - with excellent accuracy. The second has allegedly
better properties than the more familiar 2PI (SQRT((a*a+b*b)/2)) and doesn't
need an expensive FSQRT.

What?

If you leech a CPU instruction - sure. If you do it in high level Forth, it's more expensive.
That goes for everything a CISC processor delivers.

BTW high level C offers the hypot library function. It should be efficient enough.

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On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 1:29:46 AM UTC+2, minforth wrote:

BTW high level C offers the hypot library function. It should be efficient enough.

If you mean by efficient "faster" - are you very sure about that? I have my doubts.

Hans Bezemer

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