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Although not always elegant, I've always managed, with some combination
of LaTeX, \includegraphics, and PostScript commands, to get the
PostScript files I want included where and at the size I want them.

The file below was created from a PDF file via ghostscript. In itself,
it is fine; ghostscript and gv show it as it should be. However, when I
try to include it, when viewed on the screen it flashes briefly into
view before disappearing.

Is it not encapsulated PostScript? If that is the problem, can
ghostscript create such a file from a PDF file. Or is there some other problem?

Presumably one could use some arguments to \includegraphics and/or edit
the PostSCript file (included below; it's not large) to make it work.

Any help would be appreciated, as would an explanation of why it works,
so that I can learn something.

For various reasons, I don't want to use pdflatex.

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On 26/01/2021 20:39, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:

Although not always elegant, I've always managed, with some combination
of LaTeX, \includegraphics, and PostScript commands, to get the
PostScript files I want included where and at the size I want them.

The file below was created from a PDF file via ghostscript. In itself,
it is fine; ghostscript and gv show it as it should be. However, when I
try to include it, when viewed on the screen it flashes briefly into
view before disappearing.

Is it not encapsulated PostScript? If that is the problem, can
ghostscript create such a file from a PDF file. Or is there some other problem?

I think you need to remove the showpage command at the end. I seem to
remember that hat's what makes it display in a stand-alone viewer, and
it shouldn't be in an EPS file. But my memoery isn't what it was, and
nor's my Postscript :-)

Peter

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In article <rupulf$11ao$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de says...

Is it not encapsulated PostScript?

No, it is not. It isn't an EPS file it's a straight-forward PostScript
program.

If that is the problem, can
ghostscript create such a file from a PDF file.

The version of Ghostscript you are using (9.02), no. There are any
number of problems with what you are doing there, not least the poor
quality of output of the pswrite device. Also (as Peter Flynn point out)
the program includes a showpage which is not legal in an EPS program
(which this isn't) and causes the page to be flushed leading to your
problem.

My advice would be to upgrade to a recent version of Ghostscript (9.02
is fast approaching it's 10th birthday) and use the eps2write device to
create an EPS file from the PDF instead of the (deprecated and now
removed) pswrite device.

That will produce a better quality PostScript output, and it will be an
EPS file.


Ken

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In article <MPG.3a7b2d8488376b989898c2@usenet.plus.net>, ken
<ken@spamcop.net> writes:

Is it not encapsulated PostScript?

No, it is not. It isn't an EPS file it's a straight-forward PostScript program.

If that is the problem, can
ghostscript create such a file from a PDF file.

The version of Ghostscript you are using (9.02), no. There are any
number of problems with what you are doing there, not least the poor
quality of output of the pswrite device. Also (as Peter Flynn point out)
the program includes a showpage which is not legal in an EPS program
(which this isn't) and causes the page to be flushed leading to your
problem.

My advice would be to upgrade to a recent version of Ghostscript (9.02
is fast approaching it's 10th birthday) and use the eps2write device to create an EPS file from the PDF instead of the (deprecated and now
removed) pswrite device.

That will produce a better quality PostScript output, and it will be an
EPS file.

I definitely plan to upgrade, probably before summer, but unfortunately
don't have the time now.

If someone can email me (how to remove the spam block should be
obvious), I can send you a PDF file and you can send me a PostScript
file back.

I admit that I don't fully understand when showpage is needed and when
not. Certainly \includegraphics does display some PostScript files with
the showpage command.

Or is there some online converter which would do what I want?

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In article <rur9m2$jlb$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de says...

I admit that I don't fully understand when showpage is needed and when
not. Certainly \includegraphics does display some PostScript files with
the showpage command.

showpage 'shows' the page, transfers the accumulated marking operations
to the output device and erases the canvas ready for the next page.

It is possible in PostScript to define a 'showpage' procedure (and any
other operator) which will be used instead of the built-in operator, if
the lookup is managed properly.

/showpage {} bind def

defines a function called showpage in the current dictionary which does nothing. As long as this dictionary is ahead of systemdict on the
dictionary stack, then that's the definition of showpage which will be
used. It's not an uncommon approach.

In your case, simply remove the line with 'showpage' in it from the
output PostScript file. It will still be a crappy level 1 PostScript
program, but it at least won't reset the page for you.

Provided you are placing it within another PostScript program (which is
what EPS files are for) then the enclosing program's showpage will show
the accumulated operations.

Ken

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On 01/26/2021 12:39 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:

Although not always elegant, I've always managed, with some combination
of LaTeX, \includegraphics, and PostScript commands, to get the
PostScript files I want included where and at the size I want them.

The file below was created from a PDF file via ghostscript. In itself,
it is fine; ghostscript and gv show it as it should be. However, when I
try to include it, when viewed on the screen it flashes briefly into
view before disappearing.

Is it not encapsulated PostScript? If that is the problem, can
ghostscript create such a file from a PDF file. Or is there some other problem?

Presumably one could use some arguments to \includegraphics and/or edit
the PostSCript file (included below; it's not large) to make it work.

Any help would be appreciated, as would an explanation of why it works,
so that I can learn something.

For various reasons, I don't want to use pdflatex.

I use the following code in PostScript documents that are going to
include eps files:

----------------------------------
/BeginEPSF {
/b4_Inc_state save def
/dict_count countdictstack def
/op_count count 1 sub def
userdict begin
/showpage {} def
0 setgray 0 setlinecap 1 setlinewidth 0 setlinejoin
10 setmiterlimit [] 0 setdash newpath
/languagelevel where
{ pop languagelevel 1 ne
{ false setstrokeadjust false setoverprint } if
} if
} bind def

/EndEPSF {
count op_count sub {pop} repeat
countdictstack dict_count sub {end} repeat
b4_Inc_state restore
} bind def

---------------------------------

and then use something like the following to place the eps where I want it:

BeginEPSF 100 100 translate .5 .5 scale (simple.eps) run EndEPSF

This also allows the eps to be used in a cached PostScript form which
speeds up printing and reduces file size such as a complex logo that is
on hundreds of pages.

Jeff Coffield
www.digitalsynergyinc.com

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On 1/27/21 1:53 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:

I definitely plan to upgrade, probably before summer, but unfortunately
don't have the time now.

If someone can email me (how to remove the spam block should be
obvious), I can send you a PDF file and you can send me a PostScript
file back.

Just to show off, here's a version of your file as run through my
purifyeps script (https://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/support/purifyeps).
This image can be included by both latex+dvips *and* pdflatex. (See purifyeps.pdf for the magic incantation needed to convince pdflatex that
it can load an EPS file.)

-- Scott

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In article <63cd87bf-2f6f-e4b4-9f45-e46368c1d109@pakin.org>, Scott Pakin <scott+ctt@pakin.org> writes:

On 1/27/21 1:53 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:

I definitely plan to upgrade, probably before summer, but unfortunately don't have the time now.

If someone can email me (how to remove the spam block should be
obvious), I can send you a PDF file and you can send me a PostScript
file back.

Just to show off, here's a version of your file as run through my
purifyeps script (https://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/support/purifyeps).
This image can be included by both latex+dvips *and* pdflatex. (See purifyeps.pdf for the magic incantation needed to convince pdflatex that
it can load an EPS file.)

Thanks. I ran my PDF file through an online converter, which allegedly converts to EPS. After removing the showpage command, it works, but it
appears that the bounding box is incorrect. Maybe your version is
better; I'll check.

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If it was a PDF, whi not include the PDF in the first place?

el
On 2021-01-26 22:39 , Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
[...]

The file below was created from a PDF file via ghostscript. In itself,
it is fine; ghostscript and gv show it as it should be. However, when I
try to include it, when viewed on the screen it flashes briefly into
view before disappearing.

[...]

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In article <i7l80lFjr52U2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> writes:

If it was a PDF, whi not include the PDF in the first place?

Because there are many PostScript files to be included. So convert one
PDF to PostScript, or several PostScript to PDF.

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I still don't get it.

The file was generated from a PDF. So include that one as PDF

If there are many PS files which are generated from PDF include
many PDFs.

If there are PS generated from other means, include them as PS.

I handle 'many files' by way of a Makefile, which works on Linux and
the Mac (and I am sure on Windoze (and VMS :-)-O))

el

On 2021-01-30 22:28 , Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:

In article <i7l80lFjr52U2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> writes:

If it was a PDF, whi not include the PDF in the first place?

Because there are many PostScript files to be included. So convert one
PDF to PostScript, or several PostScript to PDF.

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