• Various useful free BASIC systems

    From Antti Juhani Ylikoski@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 16 18:20:52 2018
    There is here, North Europe, a computer science magazine called the
    Skrolli. See http://www.skrolli.fi. They run an IE, an International
    Edition, in English.

    The Skrolli back issues are on that web site as .pdf files. They are
    under http://www.skrolli/numerot/.

    In one Skrolli issue, there was there an article about the various
    useful and usable free BASIC systems. (Here I cannot recall, which
    Skrolli issue.)

    1. The QB64. They are http://qb64.org.

    2. FreeBASIC. They are https://www.freebasic.net/

    3. KBasic, or, q7basic. They are http://www.q7basic.org/index.html

    4. MS Small BASIC. They are http://smallbasic.com/

    yours, AJY
    Europe

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  • From Auric__@21:1/5 to Antti Juhani Ylikoski on Wed May 16 18:20:49 2018
    Antti Juhani Ylikoski wrote:

    There is here, North Europe, a computer science magazine called the
    Skrolli. See http://www.skrolli.fi. They run an IE, an International Edition, in English.

    The Skrolli back issues are on that web site as .pdf files. They are
    under http://www.skrolli/numerot/.

    In one Skrolli issue, there was there an article about the various
    useful and usable free BASIC systems. (Here I cannot recall, which
    Skrolli issue.)

    I actually posted reviews of all of these in the dim recesses of the past, summarized as such:

    1. The QB64. They are http://qb64.org.

    Overly-large executables and weeeeeeeeeeeird Basic-to-C++ translation.

    2. FreeBASIC. They are https://www.freebasic.net/

    Usable. Could be better, but it's good enough for "serious" work.

    3. KBasic, or, q7basic. They are http://www.q7basic.org/index.html

    I've never been able to get modern Q7 to work properly, but I haven't tried recently. The Mac-specific compiler from the same guy, Objective-Basic, has *bad* licensing requirements for the free version:

    Free and without support for non-commercial developers at home. You get
    the product for free and you must release products for free under the
    license of GPL Version 3 as published by the Free Software Foundation.

    That makes Objective-Basic the only compiler I've ever seen that forces a license on your code.

    4. MS Small BASIC. They are http://smallbasic.com/

    MSSB isn't very useful IMHO. Useful for absolute beginners or for making toy programs, but not much else.

    --
    I wouldn't want to work for you or do business with you
    because you're a conniving bastard.

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  • From Antti Juhani Ylikoski@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 16 20:04:50 2018
    On 16/05/18 19:20, Auric__ wrote:
    Antti Juhani Ylikoski wrote:

    There is here, North Europe, a computer science magazine called the
    Skrolli. See http://www.skrolli.fi. They run an IE, an International
    Edition, in English.

    The Skrolli back issues are on that web site as .pdf files. They are
    under http://www.skrolli/numerot/.

    In one Skrolli issue, there was there an article about the various
    useful and usable free BASIC systems. (Here I cannot recall, which
    Skrolli issue.)

    I actually posted reviews of all of these in the dim recesses of the past, summarized as such:

    1. The QB64. They are http://qb64.org.

    Overly-large executables and weeeeeeeeeeeird Basic-to-C++ translation.

    2. FreeBASIC. They are https://www.freebasic.net/

    Usable. Could be better, but it's good enough for "serious" work.

    3. KBasic, or, q7basic. They are http://www.q7basic.org/index.html

    I've never been able to get modern Q7 to work properly, but I haven't tried recently. The Mac-specific compiler from the same guy, Objective-Basic, has *bad* licensing requirements for the free version:

    Free and without support for non-commercial developers at home. You get
    the product for free and you must release products for free under the
    license of GPL Version 3 as published by the Free Software Foundation.

    That makes Objective-Basic the only compiler I've ever seen that forces a license on your code.

    4. MS Small BASIC. They are http://smallbasic.com/

    MSSB isn't very useful IMHO. Useful for absolute beginners or for making toy programs, but not much else.



    Excerpt: (from the .signature file)


    "I wouldn't want to work for you or do business with you because
    you're a conniving bastard."

    Who is a "conniving" "bastard"?


    My dictionary:

    "connive"

    verb


    MEANINGS


    1. secretly allow (something immoral, illegal, or harmful) to occur.

    "government officials were prepared to connive in impending the course
    of justice"

    synonyms: deliberately ignore, overlook, not take into consideration, disregard, pass over, gloss over, take no notice of, take no account
    of, make allowances for, turn a blind eye to, close/shut one's eyes
    to, wink at, blink at, excuse, pardon, forgive, condone, let someone
    off with, let go, let pass


    2. conspire to do something immoral, illegal, or harmful

    "she connived with a senior official to rig the results of last year's election" synonyms: conspire, collude, be in collusion, collaborate,
    intrigue, be hand in glove, plot, participate in a conspiracy, scheme


    What are the immoral, illegal, or harmful thing(s) that have taken
    place?

    Who conspired to do them, and how?


    A "bastard" is a person of illegitimate heritage. I do not have an illegitimate heritage, an illegitimate family tree.

    Who is of illegitimate heritage?


    A "bastard" can be use as a pejorative word: "F*ck you, you F*cking
    F*ck!!!!"


    Explain.


    Dr A. J. Y.
    Europe

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  • From Auric__@21:1/5 to Antti Juhani Ylikoski on Wed May 16 21:56:55 2018
    Antti Juhani Ylikoski wrote:

    On 16/05/18 19:20, Auric__ wrote:
    [snip]
    Excerpt: (from the .signature file)

    "I wouldn't want to work for you or do business with you because
    you're a conniving bastard."

    Who is a "conniving" "bastard"?
    [snip]

    Why are you replying to my sig? You do realize that has nothing to do with my post, right? It's randomly selected from my quotefile, which has over 16,000 quotes, and I rarely even notice it before I hit send. Have you truly seen nothing else that I've ever posted over the last 14 years (since I wrote my sigmonster)?

    --
    - What happened?
    - ...Plague.
    - Plague?!
    - All sudden-like.

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  • From ralph@21:1/5 to not.my.real@email.address on Thu May 17 08:28:14 2018
    On Wed, 16 May 2018 18:20:49 -0000 (UTC), "Auric__"
    <not.my.real@email.address> wrote:

    4. MS Small BASIC. They are http://smallbasic.com/

    MSSB isn't very useful IMHO. Useful for absolute beginners or for making toy >programs, but not much else.

    Trivial adddition. Small C is often found in small niche ad hoc/business/machine applications as a "scripting" language. Easily integration, close to zero learning curve, with a dinky footprint.

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  • From Marcos Cruz@21:1/5 to antti.ylikoski@windowslive.com on Fri Jun 15 18:31:45 2018
    En/Je/On 2018-05-16, Antti Juhani Ylikoski
    <antti.ylikoski@windowslive.com> escribi'o/skribis/wrote:

    useful and usable free BASIC systems.

    1. The QB64. They are http://qb64.org.

    2. FreeBASIC. They are https://www.freebasic.net/

    3. KBasic, or, q7basic. They are http://www.q7basic.org/index.html

    4. MS Small BASIC. They are http://smallbasic.com/

    I think Markus Hoffmann's X11-Basic is a very good one: powerful,
    versatile and well documented:

    http://x11-basic.sourceforge.net

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  • From Antti Ylikoski@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 9 04:06:23 2019
    keskiviikko 16. toukokuuta 2018 20.20.52 UTC+3 Antti Juhani Ylikoski kirjoitti:
    There is here, North Europe, a computer science magazine called the
    Skrolli. See http://www.skrolli.fi. They run an IE, an International Edition, in English.

    The Skrolli back issues are on that web site as .pdf files. They are
    under http://www.skrolli/numerot/.

    In one Skrolli issue, there was there an article about the various
    useful and usable free BASIC systems. (Here I cannot recall, which
    Skrolli issue.)

    1. The QB64. They are http://qb64.org.

    2. FreeBASIC. They are https://www.freebasic.net/

    3. KBasic, or, q7basic. They are http://www.q7basic.org/index.html

    4. MS Small BASIC. They are http://smallbasic.com/

    yours, AJY
    Europe


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