• Is gnoga dead?

    From reinert@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 02:02:46 2023
    I asked google bard:

    "Is gnoga currently maintained?"

    And it answered:

    "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository was in 2016.

    Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada.

    There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA, which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)."

    Is this correct?

    reinert

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  • From Blady@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 11:53:36 2023
    Le 09/09/2023 à 11:02, reinert a écrit :
    I asked google bard:

    "Is gnoga currently maintained?"

    And it answered:

    "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository was in 2016.

    Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada.

    There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA, which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)."

    Is this correct?

    Hello Reinert,

    Do you mean this one: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnoga?

    If so, the answer is yes.

    Could you please provide the link where you found the above quoted text?

    Pascal.

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  • From reinert@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 04:47:41 2023
    lørdag 9. september 2023 kl. 11:53:40 UTC+2 skrev Blady:
    Le 09/09/2023 à 11:02, reinert a écrit :
    I asked google bard:

    "Is gnoga currently maintained?"

    And it answered:

    "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository was in 2016.

    Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada.

    There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA, which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)."

    Is this correct?
    Hello Reinert,

    Do you mean this one: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnoga?

    If so, the answer is yes.

    Could you please provide the link where you found the above quoted text?

    Pascal.

    I just logged into my google account and asked "bard" (https://bard.google.com/?hl=en).

    reinert

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  • From Jeffrey R.Carter@21:1/5 to reinert on Sat Sep 9 13:59:00 2023
    On 2023-09-09 11:02, reinert wrote:
    I asked google bard:

    "Is gnoga currently maintained?"

    And it answered:

    "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original
    Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository
    was in 2016.

    Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of
    Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada.

    There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA,
    which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)."

    Is this correct?
    The presence of the word "also" in the first sentence should be enough to tell you that this is nonsense.

    If you are asking about an "NLG engine" named gnoga, then maybe this is correct.
    If you are asking about the Ada web-application framework Gnoga that Blady maintains, then it's not correct.

    --
    Jeff Carter
    “Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics
    is not fully human.”
    The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
    214

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  • From reinert@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 09:46:26 2023
    lørdag 9. september 2023 kl. 13:59:04 UTC+2 skrev Jeffrey R.Carter:
    On 2023-09-09 11:02, reinert wrote:
    I asked google bard:

    "Is gnoga currently maintained?"

    And it answered:

    "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original
    Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository
    was in 2016.

    Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of
    Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada.

    There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA,
    which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)."

    Is this correct?
    The presence of the word "also" in the first sentence should be enough to tell
    you that this is nonsense.

    If you are asking about an "NLG engine" named gnoga, then maybe this is correct.
    If you are asking about the Ada web-application framework Gnoga that Blady maintains, then it's not correct.

    --
    Jeff Carter
    “Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics
    is not fully human.”
    The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
    214

    Good to hear.
    Yes, did mean the Ada web-application framework.
    reinert

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?U3TDqXBoYW5lIFJpdmnDqHJl?@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 19:55:56 2023
    Gnoga not dead, but being maintained by Pascal, Gautier and other
    individuals and companies.

    Expect a pleasant surprise (imho) before the end of the year (with full
    web demos). v22 manual abstract :


    1 About v22 framework
    1.1 Ready to use in production

    v22 is a general purpose, KISS oriented, modular Ada framework for
    GNU/Linux Debian/Ubuntu service, console and web programs.

    v22 is composed of many packages in charge of UTF-8 strings, program and
    OS functions, HTTP(s)/WS(s) web framework, integrated cURL, console
    handling and text files, advanced network, MySQL and SQLite high level
    binding, logging and configuration files handling.

    Although based on the v20 library, the v22 framework represents a major
    step forward in the following areas:
    - UTF-8 compatibility;
    - Simplified string processing (only one UTF-8 String type is used);
    - Internationalization;
    - New and extended database API;
    - Extended database access to MySQL, in addition to SQLite, with schema on-the-fly update at table, index, and colums level;
    - Improved concurrent access and performance for SQLite;
    - New LGPLv3 licensing instead of GPLv3;
    - New FSF GNAT GCC Linux ready-to-use development environment for v22
    (not tied anymore to GPLv2 licence);
    - And much more.

    1.2 Cooperative and open

    v22's native dependencies are Gnoga, Simple_Components, UXStrings and
    Zanyblue.

    v22 is both a high-level framework and an extension to the lower level components cited above. v22 has been designed to:
    - Use unmodified components;
    - Not "reinvent the wheel". Component functions are to be used first;
    - Offer higher-level functions or functions that do not exist in the components.

    .../...

    In short:
    - UXStrings is used throughout v22. The v22.Uxs package extends
    UXStrings functionality. The v22.Sql package extends the functionality
    of Gnoga.Server.Database. The v22.Gui graphics framework is based on
    Gnoga.Gui;
    - v22's architecture allows it to be open to additional packages,
    depending on the software development required.


    --
    Stéphane Rivière
    Ile d'Oléron - France

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  • From reinert@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 23:54:36 2023
    lørdag 9. september 2023 kl. 19:56:00 UTC+2 skrev Stéphane Rivière:
    Gnoga not dead, but being maintained by Pascal, Gautier and other individuals and companies.

    Expect a pleasant surprise (imho) before the end of the year (with full
    web demos). v22 manual abstract :


    1 About v22 framework
    1.1 Ready to use in production

    v22 is a general purpose, KISS oriented, modular Ada framework for
    GNU/Linux Debian/Ubuntu service, console and web programs.

    v22 is composed of many packages in charge of UTF-8 strings, program and
    OS functions, HTTP(s)/WS(s) web framework, integrated cURL, console
    handling and text files, advanced network, MySQL and SQLite high level binding, logging and configuration files handling.

    Although based on the v20 library, the v22 framework represents a major
    step forward in the following areas:
    - UTF-8 compatibility;
    - Simplified string processing (only one UTF-8 String type is used);
    - Internationalization;
    - New and extended database API;
    - Extended database access to MySQL, in addition to SQLite, with schema on-the-fly update at table, index, and colums level;
    - Improved concurrent access and performance for SQLite;
    - New LGPLv3 licensing instead of GPLv3;
    - New FSF GNAT GCC Linux ready-to-use development environment for v22
    (not tied anymore to GPLv2 licence);
    - And much more.

    1.2 Cooperative and open

    v22's native dependencies are Gnoga, Simple_Components, UXStrings and Zanyblue.

    v22 is both a high-level framework and an extension to the lower level components cited above. v22 has been designed to:
    - Use unmodified components;
    - Not "reinvent the wheel". Component functions are to be used first;
    - Offer higher-level functions or functions that do not exist in the components.

    .../...

    In short:
    - UXStrings is used throughout v22. The v22.Uxs package extends
    UXStrings functionality. The v22.Sql package extends the functionality
    of Gnoga.Server.Database. The v22.Gui graphics framework is based on Gnoga.Gui;
    - v22's architecture allows it to be open to additional packages,
    depending on the software development required.


    --
    Stéphane Rivière
    Ile d'Oléron - France

    Sounds like I can somehow trust that gnoga will be around many years to come.

    So my special issue: I work on making my (cancer) cellular behavior analysis program (https://korsnesbiocomputing.no/) as a "cloud service". Its all programmed in Ada using GLOBE_3D. I consider using guacamole apache. Its intensive about handling images.
    So what are the arguments for and against using gnoga (as compared to for example guacamole apache) ?

    reinert

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  • From reinert@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 9 23:51:12 2023
    lørdag 9. september 2023 kl. 19:56:00 UTC+2 skrev Stéphane Rivière:
    Gnoga not dead, but being maintained by Pascal, Gautier and other individuals and companies.

    Expect a pleasant surprise (imho) before the end of the year (with full
    web demos). v22 manual abstract :


    1 About v22 framework
    1.1 Ready to use in production

    v22 is a general purpose, KISS oriented, modular Ada framework for
    GNU/Linux Debian/Ubuntu service, console and web programs.

    v22 is composed of many packages in charge of UTF-8 strings, program and
    OS functions, HTTP(s)/WS(s) web framework, integrated cURL, console
    handling and text files, advanced network, MySQL and SQLite high level binding, logging and configuration files handling.

    Although based on the v20 library, the v22 framework represents a major
    step forward in the following areas:
    - UTF-8 compatibility;
    - Simplified string processing (only one UTF-8 String type is used);
    - Internationalization;
    - New and extended database API;
    - Extended database access to MySQL, in addition to SQLite, with schema on-the-fly update at table, index, and colums level;
    - Improved concurrent access and performance for SQLite;
    - New LGPLv3 licensing instead of GPLv3;
    - New FSF GNAT GCC Linux ready-to-use development environment for v22
    (not tied anymore to GPLv2 licence);
    - And much more.

    1.2 Cooperative and open

    v22's native dependencies are Gnoga, Simple_Components, UXStrings and Zanyblue.

    v22 is both a high-level framework and an extension to the lower level components cited above. v22 has been designed to:
    - Use unmodified components;
    - Not "reinvent the wheel". Component functions are to be used first;
    - Offer higher-level functions or functions that do not exist in the components.

    .../...

    In short:
    - UXStrings is used throughout v22. The v22.Uxs package extends
    UXStrings functionality. The v22.Sql package extends the functionality
    of Gnoga.Server.Database. The v22.Gui graphics framework is based on Gnoga.Gui;
    - v22's architecture allows it to be open to additional packages,
    depending on the software development required.


    --
    Stéphane Rivière
    Ile d'Oléron - France

    Sounds like I can somehow trust that gnoga will be around many years to come.

    So my special issue: I work on making my (cancer) cellular behavior analysis program (https://korsnesbiocomputing.no/) as a "cloud service". Its all programmed in Ada using GLOBE_3D. I consider using guacamole apache. Its intensive about handling images.
    So what are the aguments for and against using guaceamole (as compared to for example guacamole apache) ?

    reinert

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?U3TDqXBoYW5lIFJpdmnDqHJl?@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 11 09:52:45 2023
    Hi Reinert,

    Sounds like I can somehow trust that gnoga will be around many years to come.

    I think so.

    So my special issue: I work on making my (cancer) cellular behavior analysis program (https://korsnesbiocomputing.no/) as a "cloud service".

    Very interesting indeed.

    Its all programmed in Ada using GLOBE_3D. I consider using guacamole apache. Its intensive about handling images. So what are the aguments for and against using >guaceamole (as compared to for example guacamole apache) ?

    No idea. My first concerns could be scaling.


    --
    Stéphane Rivière
    Ile d'Oléron - France

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  • From reinert@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 11 23:00:45 2023
    mandag 11. september 2023 kl. 09:52:49 UTC+2 skrev Stéphane Rivière:
    Hi Reinert,
    Sounds like I can somehow trust that gnoga will be around many years to come.
    I think so.
    So my special issue: I work on making my (cancer) cellular behavior analysis program (https://korsnesbiocomputing.no/) as a "cloud service".
    Very interesting indeed.

    Its all programmed in Ada using GLOBE_3D. I consider using guacamole apache. Its intensive about handling images. So what are the aguments for and against using >guaceamole (as compared to for example guacamole apache) ?

    No idea. My first concerns could be scaling.
    --
    Stéphane Rivière
    Ile d'Oléron - France

    Did mean ...... *gnoga* (as compared to for example guacamole apache) :-)

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?U3TDqXBoYW5lIFJpdmnDqHJl?@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 09:16:52 2023
    Did mean ...... *gnoga* (as compared to for example guacamole apache) :-)

    No, sorry, I was thinking more of Guacamole. Not really fond of a remote desktop vs a true Web app... But maybe I'm wrong...

    --
    Stéphane Rivière
    Ile d'Oléron - France

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  • From reinert@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 15 01:23:00 2023
    tirsdag 12. september 2023 kl. 09:16:56 UTC+2 skrev Stéphane Rivière:
    Did mean ...... *gnoga* (as compared to for example guacamole apache) :-)
    No, sorry, I was thinking more of Guacamole. Not really fond of a remote desktop vs a true Web app... But maybe I'm wrong...
    --
    Stéphane Rivière
    Ile d'Oléron - France

    Related: Anybody heard about Ada programs available under rollApps (https://www.rollapp.com/) and similar?

    Reviews:
    https://slashdot.org/software/p/rollApp/#reviews

    reinert

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