On 3/19/2021 11:26 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

There had been the website awk.info (I think Tim Menzies had run it)
but a try to call it today didn't lead to that page. - Is it gone or
has the content moved to another domain?

Janis

It went away years ago. Tim had posted at the time about not being able
to maintain it any longer and looking for someone to take over. I
believe you have his email address so you could ask him for C&V.

Ed.

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On 19.03.2021 17:30, Ed Morton wrote:

On 3/19/2021 11:26 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

There had been the website awk.info (I think Tim Menzies had run it)
but a try to call it today didn't lead to that page. - Is it gone or
has the content moved to another domain?

It went away years ago. Tim had posted at the time about not being able
to maintain it any longer and looking for someone to take over. I
believe you have his email address so you could ask him for C&V.

(What does "C&V" mean?)

I vaguely remember such a post, but thought (or hoped) someone would
have inherited it. Now the domain is gone, it seems.

I see that the contents are still available through Wayback at least.

Janis

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On 3/19/2021 11:48 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 19.03.2021 17:30, Ed Morton wrote:

On 3/19/2021 11:26 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

There had been the website awk.info (I think Tim Menzies had run it)
but a try to call it today didn't lead to that page. - Is it gone or
has the content moved to another domain?

It went away years ago. Tim had posted at the time about not being able
to maintain it any longer and looking for someone to take over. I
believe you have his email address so you could ask him for C&V.

(What does "C&V" mean?)

Chapter & Verse

I vaguely remember such a post, but thought (or hoped) someone would
have inherited it. Now the domain is gone, it seems.

I see that the contents are still available through Wayback at least.

FWIW http://awk.freeshell.org/ has some similar content.

Ed.

Janis

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There had been the website awk.info (I think Tim Menzies had run it)
but a try to call it today didn't lead to that page. - Is it gone or
has the content moved to another domain?

Janis

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In article <s32l16$ocl$1@dont-email.me>,
Ed Morton <mortonspam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/19/2021 11:48 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 19.03.2021 17:30, Ed Morton wrote:

On 3/19/2021 11:26 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

There had been the website awk.info (I think Tim Menzies had run it)
but a try to call it today didn't lead to that page. - Is it gone or
has the content moved to another domain?

It went away years ago. Tim had posted at the time about not being able
to maintain it any longer and looking for someone to take over.

That is (sadly) correct. I owned the domain, but let it drop.
(Which was a mistake, but that's how it goes.)

FWIW http://awk.freeshell.org/ has some similar content.

I now own awklang.org, and that web site is run by a volunteer.
It also has a bunch of awk-related things.

Arnold
--
Aharon (Arnold) Robbins arnold AT skeeve DOT com

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gone since 2011... great to see how important it was to people :-)

in fact, I gave up on that project when I realized that the most of the awk community did not want to go beyond 5 line scripts

meanwhile, I've been gawking 1000s of lines of applications ever since....

t

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4, Aharon Robbins wrote:

In article <s32l16$ocl$1...@dont-email.me>,
Ed Morton <morto...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/19/2021 11:48 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 19.03.2021 17:30, Ed Morton wrote:

On 3/19/2021 11:26 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

There had been the website awk.info (I think Tim Menzies had run it) >>>> but a try to call it today didn't lead to that page. - Is it gone or >>>> has the content moved to another domain?

It went away years ago. Tim had posted at the time about not being able >>> to maintain it any longer and looking for someone to take over.

That is (sadly) correct. I owned the domain, but let it drop.
(Which was a mistake, but that's how it goes.)

FWIW http://awk.freeshell.org/ has some similar content.

I now own awklang.org, and that web site is run by a volunteer.
It also has a bunch of awk-related things.

Arnold
--
Aharon (Arnold) Robbins arnold AT skeeve DOT com

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On 22.03.2021 23:10, Tim Menzies wrote:

gone since 2011... great to see how important it was to people :-)

(Does that long time span makes it unimportant? - I cannot tell.)

I've just asked because someone (some of you know who) asked for
non-trivial examples and I remembered and suggested to inspect
(via Wayback) the awk.info source.

in fact, I gave up on that project when I realized that the most of the awk community did not want to go beyond 5 line scripts

Well, when making a lines-of-code histogram on my awk sources I
certainly have a peek in the 1-30 lines range. Longer programs
are maybe only just lengthy, or also more complex. In the latter
case the complexity typically requires more language features,
e.g. support for data structures; then I'm out of luck with Awk
(meaning it would be an unnecessary burden to try solving the
task with Awk).

Janis

meanwhile, I've been gawking 1000s of lines of applications ever since....

t

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Janis writes that awk is only good for short programs. In all things he is always correct.

But in this case he might be less-than-100%-correct

i use my gawk object layer (GOLD) to write gawk is 100s to 1000s of liines long. please see https://github.com/timm/misc/blob/master/gawk/peek.

not quite awk, with a few dozens links of preprocessing that give me

1. objects and methods (see https://github.com/timm/misc/blob/master/gawk/peek/src/col.gold where two classes Num Sym are subclasses of Col) and a preprocessor turns a.b.c into a["b"]["c]

{print gensub(/\.([^0-9\\*\\$\\+])([a-zA-Z0-9_]*)/, "[\"\\1\\2\"]","g",$0)}

2. polymorphism using indirect functions

function add(i:Col,x:string, f) { f=i.is "Add"; return @f(i,x) }

3. integration to travis ci test engine: see https://github.com/timm/misc/blob/master/gawk/peek/.travis.yml

4. documentation generation.

4a. source code lets you mix up soruce code and markdown e.g https://github.com/timm/misc/blob/master/gawk/peek/src/col.gold

4b. and generate markdown doco; e.g. https://github.com/timm/misc/blob/master/gawk/peek/docs/col.md

5. type annotations (documentation only, like python they get ignore by compiler),e.g.

function Num(i:untyped, s:string, n:posint) {
Col(i,s,n); i.is="Num"
i.w = (s ~ /</) ? -1 : 1
i.hi = -1E32
i.lo = 1E32
i.mu = i.m2= i.n= i.sd=0 }

all done with the code in gold https://github.com/timm/misc/blob/master/gawk/peek/gold
and all preprocessing is in gawk, naturally


t


On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 9:43:12 AM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 22.03.2021 23:10, Tim Menzies wrote:

gone since 2011... great to see how important it was to people :-)

(Does that long time span makes it unimportant? - I cannot tell.)

I've just asked because someone (some of you know who) asked for
non-trivial examples and I remembered and suggested to inspect
(via Wayback) the awk.info source.

in fact, I gave up on that project when I realized that the most of the awk community did not want to go beyond 5 line scripts

Well, when making a lines-of-code histogram on my awk sources I
certainly have a peek in the 1-30 lines range. Longer programs
are maybe only just lengthy, or also more complex. In the latter
case the complexity typically requires more language features,
e.g. support for data structures; then I'm out of luck with Awk
(meaning it would be an unnecessary burden to try solving the
task with Awk).

Janis

meanwhile, I've been gawking 1000s of lines of applications ever since....

t

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On 24.03.2021 01:49, timm wrote:

Janis writes that awk is only good for short programs. In all things he is always correct.

For someone who has a job in science where logic and accuracy is a
basic grounding you are not only making primitive rhetorical and
offensive contortions here but are just lying. Nothing in these two
statements is true. But luckily my text is still quoted so everyone
can read what I actually said. It's beyond me why you decided to
switch to hostility and plain lies without reason and necessity.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 9:43:12 AM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

Well, when making a lines-of-code histogram on my awk sources I
certainly have a peek in the 1-30 lines range. Longer programs
are maybe only just lengthy, or also more complex. In the latter
case the complexity typically requires more language features,
e.g. support for data structures; then I'm out of luck with Awk
(meaning it would be an unnecessary burden to try solving the
task with Awk).

Janis

PS: The first couple github web-links you posted lead to 404-errors.

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On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 9:16:59 PM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 24.03.2021 01:49, timm wrote:

Janis writes that awk is only good for short programs. In all things he is always correct.

For someone who has a job in science where logic and accuracy is a
basic grounding you are not only making primitive rhetorical and
offensive contortions here but are just lying.

you are absolutely right. I was complete out of line and totally misrepresented your position.

1000 apologies!

Janis

PS: The first couple github web-links you posted lead to 404-errors.

again, again, 1000 apologies. that was all links to private repos. just make it public.

can you get to them now?

t

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On Wednesday, 24 March 2021 at 00:38:58 UTC-4, ti...@ieee.org wrote:

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 9:16:59 PM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 24.03.2021 01:49, timm wrote:

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If awk.info is missed so much, the following domain names are available, which I will be happy to sponsor on behalf of the "community" for several years out. If there is no website, the domain name can always be linked to a GitHub or GitLab url.

awk.systems
gawk.dev
gawk.pw
foo.pw
- john n.

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