Dear All,

We are happy to announce a new edition
of the Dogelog Player:

- Binary Release:
The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog player
now masters DCG. We have decided to upload the
transpiled and compacted editions for the
JavaScript and Python platforms to www.xlog.ch
under the heading "Products".

- Quelltexte:
As an alternative to GitHub, we have now
activated pages.xlog.ch. In addition to the
source texts of the transpiler and the built-ins
of the Dogelog player, this website also
contains the manuals and the source texts of
the tutorials. Both JavaScript and Python source
code can be found.

- Blogging:
As an alternative to Gist, we are now reporting
on medium.com/@janburse_2989 about the developments
in the Dogelog player. We also use
twitter.com/dogelogch and
www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog for short messages.

Have Fun! #StaySafe
Jan Burse, 18.12.2021

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Ok, here is a write-up of our christmas and newyears passtime:

Prolog Barber Paradox in JavaScript/Python https://qiita.com/j4n_bur53/items/59128d9eeb61b86dd133

Have Fun!

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 18. Dezember 2021 um 13:05:20 UTC+1:

Dear All,

We are happy to announce a new edition
of the Dogelog Player:

- Binary Release:
The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog player
now masters DCG. We have decided to upload the
transpiled and compacted editions for the
JavaScript and Python platforms to www.xlog.ch
under the heading "Products".

- Quelltexte:
As an alternative to GitHub, we have now
activated pages.xlog.ch. In addition to the
source texts of the transpiler and the built-ins
of the Dogelog player, this website also
contains the manuals and the source texts of
the tutorials. Both JavaScript and Python source
code can be found.

- Blogging:
As an alternative to Gist, we are now reporting
on medium.com/@janburse_2989 about the developments
in the Dogelog player. We also use
twitter.com/dogelogch and
www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog for short messages.

Have Fun! #StaySafe
Jan Burse, 18.12.2021

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We never put a ZIP with the tutorial examples on
our website? This has now changed:

Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1484524851947782148

Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 4. Januar 2022 um 18:20:34 UTC+1:

Ok, here is a write-up of our christmas and newyears passtime:

Prolog Barber Paradox in JavaScript/Python https://qiita.com/j4n_bur53/items/59128d9eeb61b86dd133

Have Fun!
Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 18. Dezember 2021 um 13:05:20 UTC+1:

Dear All,

We are happy to announce a new edition
of the Dogelog Player:

- Binary Release:
The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog player
now masters DCG. We have decided to upload the
transpiled and compacted editions for the
JavaScript and Python platforms to www.xlog.ch
under the heading "Products".

- Quelltexte:
As an alternative to GitHub, we have now
activated pages.xlog.ch. In addition to the
source texts of the transpiler and the built-ins
of the Dogelog player, this website also
contains the manuals and the source texts of
the tutorials. Both JavaScript and Python source
code can be found.

- Blogging:
As an alternative to Gist, we are now reporting
on medium.com/@janburse_2989 about the developments
in the Dogelog player. We also use
twitter.com/dogelogch and
www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog for short messages.

Have Fun! #StaySafe
Jan Burse, 18.12.2021

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We never put a ZIP with the full source of Dogelog player on
our website, including the transpiler? This has changed now:

Style Checks for Dogelog Player https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1487125950588506112

Style Checks for Dogelog Player
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 21. Januar 2022 um 15:21:38 UTC+1:

We never put a ZIP with the tutorial examples on
our website? This has now changed:

Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1484524851947782148

Dogelog Tutorials locally in VS Code
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog
Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 4. Januar 2022 um 18:20:34 UTC+1:

Ok, here is a write-up of our christmas and newyears passtime:

Prolog Barber Paradox in JavaScript/Python https://qiita.com/j4n_bur53/items/59128d9eeb61b86dd133

Have Fun!
Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 18. Dezember 2021 um 13:05:20 UTC+1:

Dear All,

We are happy to announce a new edition
of the Dogelog Player:

- Binary Release:
The new version 0.9.7 of the Dogelog player
now masters DCG. We have decided to upload the
transpiled and compacted editions for the
JavaScript and Python platforms to www.xlog.ch
under the heading "Products".

- Quelltexte:
As an alternative to GitHub, we have now
activated pages.xlog.ch. In addition to the
source texts of the transpiler and the built-ins
of the Dogelog player, this website also
contains the manuals and the source texts of
the tutorials. Both JavaScript and Python source
code can be found.

- Blogging:
As an alternative to Gist, we are now reporting
on medium.com/@janburse_2989 about the developments
in the Dogelog player. We also use
twitter.com/dogelogch and
www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog for short messages.

Have Fun! #StaySafe
Jan Burse, 18.12.2021

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Some people live in the past, but the future is now!
For example I get for:

retractall((factorial(_,_))).
assertz((factorial(0,1) :- !)).
assertz((factorial(N,X) :- M is N-1, factorial(M,Y), X is N*Y)). factorial(28,X).
http://yieldprolog.sourceforge.net/queryEditor.html

This result is a float and not a bigint:
X = 3.0488834461171384e+29;

So forget Yield Prolog, try Dogelog player:

factorial(0,1) :- !.
factorial(N,X) :- M is N-1, factorial(M,Y), X is N*Y.
?- factorial(28,X). http://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/docs/18_live/10_reference/example01/package.html

The result is bigint:
X = 304888344611713860501504000000.

BigInt has already 92% browser support:
https://caniuse.com/bigint

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Dogelog Player has left behind the ISO core standard, and
implements living standard Prolog. What is living standard
Prolog? It aims at implementing a more flexible Prolog

that what ISO core standard prescribes, a more flexible Prolog
that reflects the reality of the majority of Prolog systems.
For example I do now have in Dogelog player:

?- op(200,fy,!).
true
?- X = foo(!).
X = foo(!).
?- X = (foo :- !).
X = (foo :- !).

http://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/docs/18_live/10_reference/example01/package.html

Is this the behaviour of the majority of Prolog systems? Don't
know. Only did a sample of a few Prolog systems. SWI-Prolog
and Tau Prolog can parse the last query.

GNU Prolog and Scryer Prolog cannot parse the last query.

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It seems I must retract my hands clapping and tend now to
be more agnostic what Tau Prolog does, and wouldn't care less
what Scryer Prolog thinks Tau Prolog should do.

I found a way to convert legacy Prolog text into Scryer Prolog
format. The steps are relatively simple:

1) Consult the Prolog text in SWI-Prolog

2) Call listing/[0,1] in SWI-Prolog

SWI-Prolog puts an additional parenthesis around operators,
even when they were not there during input. Its the most crazy
thing I have ever seen, that such a conversion step is necessary.

But I don't want to start a war, must have been watching too
much Putin Ukraine recently. Should those who feel appointed
waste their time on GitHub issues and discussions. It seems

50% of Prolog GitHub is filled with this madness.
Thank god Dogelog player is not on GitHub.

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 25. Februar 2022 um 13:16:11 UTC+1:

Dogelog Player has left behind the ISO core standard, and
implements living standard Prolog. What is living standard
Prolog? It aims at implementing a more flexible Prolog

that what ISO core standard prescribes, a more flexible Prolog
that reflects the reality of the majority of Prolog systems.
For example I do now have in Dogelog player:

?- op(200,fy,!).
true
?- X = foo(!).
X = foo(!).
?- X = (foo :- !).
X = (foo :- !).

http://www.xlog.ch/izytab/doclet/docs/18_live/10_reference/example01/package.html

Is this the behaviour of the majority of Prolog systems? Don't
know. Only did a sample of a few Prolog systems. SWI-Prolog
and Tau Prolog can parse the last query.

GNU Prolog and Scryer Prolog cannot parse the last query.

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Its quite confusing that SWI-PL 7.x WASM
performs so different from SWI-PL 8.x Native.
So we did some benchmarking also for

the native platform, including formerly
Jekejeke Prolog. This will be possibly our
further setup to groom Dogelog Player:

ECLiPSe: 1360 ms
SWI: 2891 ms
GNU: 3089 ms
Jekejeke: 5130 ms
Scryer (rebis-dev, WSL): 7452 ms
Dogelog (node): 16981 ms

Woa! We still beat Scryer Prolog although
Scryer Prolog made big progress. But I guess
it doesn't have multi-argument indexing yet,

neither does Dogelog. So this will be quite
a suspense, to see the further development
framed by this new benchmark setting, provided

we see the dawn of the next weeks.

See also:

Dogelog Player reaches Functionality Milestone https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1498983663924658176

Dogelog Player reaches Functionality Milestone https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog

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What I don’t know whether it is possible to practically create a
Prolog profile, where float/1 and integer/1 are the same.
Such a small profile of a Programming language and runtime system

existed for example in the early days of Android, which did only have
32-bit floats intially and no 64-bit floats. Today Android has even 16-bit floats(*).
Thats why back then I had introduced 32-bit floats in formerly Jekejeke Prolog.

But this was rather conceptually an enlargement of a language profile,
and not a shrinking. When the 64-bit floats where not available I think
the Prolog systems didn’t react so gracefully, and the misery was

quickly ended when Android also provided 64-bit floats.

(*)
https://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/Half

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 4. März 2022 um 15:42:16 UTC+1:

Another milestone could be in the future to sidestep some
of the givens of the ISO core standard concerning numbers.
This would enlarge the browser support, in that it would make

a larger browser support more simpler. I can imagine that
in Yield Prolog we have indeed the following, but I didn’t check yet:

/* Yield Prolog Maybe? */
?- 5 == 5.0
true.

A similar path is taken in JavaScript, which makes it tricky to
recreate the Prolog float/integer disctinction in JavaScript:

/* Browser JavaScript */

5 == 5.0

true

typeof 5

"number"

typeof 5.0

"number"

In TauProlog, to nevertheless create a float/integer distinction, there
is a quite heavy class Num, with one value field and one type field.
But you can also do it less heavily to create a float/integer

distinction in JavaScript.
Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 2. März 2022 um 14:35:29 UTC+1:

Its quite confusing that SWI-PL 7.x WASM
performs so different from SWI-PL 8.x Native.
So we did some benchmarking also for

the native platform, including formerly
Jekejeke Prolog. This will be possibly our
further setup to groom Dogelog Player:

ECLiPSe: 1360 ms
SWI: 2891 ms
GNU: 3089 ms
Jekejeke: 5130 ms
Scryer (rebis-dev, WSL): 7452 ms
Dogelog (node): 16981 ms

Woa! We still beat Scryer Prolog although
Scryer Prolog made big progress. But I guess
it doesn't have multi-argument indexing yet,

neither does Dogelog. So this will be quite
a suspense, to see the further development
framed by this new benchmark setting, provided

we see the dawn of the next weeks.

See also:

Dogelog Player reaches Functionality Milestone https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1498983663924658176

Dogelog Player reaches Functionality Milestone https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog

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Another milestone could be in the future to sidestep some
of the givens of the ISO core standard concerning numbers.
This would enlarge the browser support, in that it would make

a larger browser support more simpler. I can imagine that
in Yield Prolog we have indeed the following, but I didn’t check yet:

/* Yield Prolog Maybe? */
?- 5 == 5.0
true.

A similar path is taken in JavaScript, which makes it tricky to
recreate the Prolog float/integer disctinction in JavaScript:

/* Browser JavaScript */

5 == 5.0

true

typeof 5

"number"

typeof 5.0

"number"

In TauProlog, to nevertheless create a float/integer distinction, there
is a quite heavy class Num, with one value field and one type field.
But you can also do it less heavily to create a float/integer

distinction in JavaScript.

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 2. März 2022 um 14:35:29 UTC+1:

Its quite confusing that SWI-PL 7.x WASM
performs so different from SWI-PL 8.x Native.
So we did some benchmarking also for

the native platform, including formerly
Jekejeke Prolog. This will be possibly our
further setup to groom Dogelog Player:

ECLiPSe: 1360 ms
SWI: 2891 ms
GNU: 3089 ms
Jekejeke: 5130 ms
Scryer (rebis-dev, WSL): 7452 ms
Dogelog (node): 16981 ms

Woa! We still beat Scryer Prolog although
Scryer Prolog made big progress. But I guess
it doesn't have multi-argument indexing yet,

neither does Dogelog. So this will be quite
a suspense, to see the further development
framed by this new benchmark setting, provided

we see the dawn of the next weeks.

See also:

Dogelog Player reaches Functionality Milestone https://twitter.com/dogelogch/status/1498983663924658176

Dogelog Player reaches Functionality Milestone https://www.facebook.com/groups/dogelog

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If I remember well, cannot recall completely, but
I guess we ended with this behaviour on early Android:

?- float(5.0).
error(resource_error(not_implemented),_)

Possibly the error was already generated during parsing?
But what did work was then the following:

?- float32(0f5.0).
true

But to have a Prolog profile, where integers and floats
merged into a single type is a new challenge.

Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 4. März 2022 um 15:49:46 UTC+1:

What I don’t know whether it is possible to practically create a
Prolog profile, where float/1 and integer/1 are the same.
Such a small profile of a Programming language and runtime system

existed for example in the early days of Android, which did only have
32-bit floats intially and no 64-bit floats. Today Android has even 16-bit floats(*).
Thats why back then I had introduced 32-bit floats in formerly Jekejeke Prolog.

But this was rather conceptually an enlargement of a language profile,
and not a shrinking. When the 64-bit floats where not available I think
the Prolog systems didn’t react so gracefully, and the misery was

quickly ended when Android also provided 64-bit floats.

(*)
https://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/Half

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