• Its a shame that stackoverflow doesn't support Prolog

    From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 22 07:15:06 2021
    This feature request is getting dusty:

    https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326728/502187

    But meanwhile highlight.js supports Prolog.

    So what are they waiting for?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Wed Sep 22 11:24:19 2021
    Even Qiita can do better, they have Prolog via Rouge.

    https://github.com/rouge-ruby/rouge/blob/master/lib/rouge/lexers/prolog.rb

    Boycott stackoverflow. Remove Prolog posts.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 16:15:07 UTC+2:
    This feature request is getting dusty:

    https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326728/502187

    But meanwhile highlight.js supports Prolog.

    So what are they waiting for?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Wed Sep 22 11:39:51 2021
    Its about time to support Prolog in SE.
    highlight.js seems to be new for SE:

    Goodbye, Prettify. Hello highlight.js!
    Swapping out our Syntax Highlighter
    Update 2020-09-24
    This is now live network-wide.
    https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/353983/165536

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:24:20 UTC+2:
    Even Qiita can do better, they have Prolog via Rouge.

    https://github.com/rouge-ruby/rouge/blob/master/lib/rouge/lexers/prolog.rb

    Boycott stackoverflow. Remove Prolog posts.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 16:15:07 UTC+2:
    This feature request is getting dusty:

    https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326728/502187

    But meanwhile highlight.js supports Prolog.

    So what are they waiting for?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Wed Sep 22 12:45:39 2021
    The greatest joke about stackoverflow is its slogan.
    The slogan is a pure lie:

    Screenshot: We <3 people who code https://gist.github.com/jburse/d39c5a835842ad83ec31266c46023e8f#gistcomment-3901869

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 21:31:10 UTC+2:
    I must definitively say Boycott Stackoverflow. Retract Prolog
    questions and answers, they don't get their priorities straight.
    Also people on meta are lemmings, if you request a highlighter
    they have a lot of moot excuses and vote down your feature request.

    As I said they don't get their priorities straight. The last argument
    I heard was the full highlight.js is too much network payload.
    This is more than silly. Its CDNed, and they don't get their
    priorities straight. Currently they deliver:

    - highlightjs-loader.en.js ca. 50 KBytes (laughable)
    - pubads_impl_2021091501.js ca. 100KBytes

    So their priority is to spam you with shitty ads, instead of
    delivering proper syntax highlighting.

    Boycott Stackoverflow
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:39:53 UTC+2:
    Its about time to support Prolog in SE.
    highlight.js seems to be new for SE:

    Goodbye, Prettify. Hello highlight.js!
    Swapping out our Syntax Highlighter
    Update 2020-09-24
    This is now live network-wide. https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/353983/165536
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:24:20 UTC+2:
    Even Qiita can do better, they have Prolog via Rouge.

    https://github.com/rouge-ruby/rouge/blob/master/lib/rouge/lexers/prolog.rb

    Boycott stackoverflow. Remove Prolog posts.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 16:15:07 UTC+2:
    This feature request is getting dusty:

    https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326728/502187

    But meanwhile highlight.js supports Prolog.

    So what are they waiting for?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Wed Sep 22 12:31:09 2021
    I must definitively say Boycott Stackoverflow. Retract Prolog
    questions and answers, they don't get their priorities straight.
    Also people on meta are lemmings, if you request a highlighter
    they have a lot of moot excuses and vote down your feature request.

    As I said they don't get their priorities straight. The last argument
    I heard was the full highlight.js is too much network payload.
    This is more than silly. Its CDNed, and they don't get their
    priorities straight. Currently they deliver:

    - highlightjs-loader.en.js ca. 50 KBytes (laughable)
    - pubads_impl_2021091501.js ca. 100KBytes

    So their priority is to spam you with shitty ads, instead of
    delivering proper syntax highlighting.

    Boycott Stackoverflow

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:39:53 UTC+2:
    Its about time to support Prolog in SE.
    highlight.js seems to be new for SE:

    Goodbye, Prettify. Hello highlight.js!
    Swapping out our Syntax Highlighter
    Update 2020-09-24
    This is now live network-wide.
    https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/353983/165536
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:24:20 UTC+2:
    Even Qiita can do better, they have Prolog via Rouge.

    https://github.com/rouge-ruby/rouge/blob/master/lib/rouge/lexers/prolog.rb

    Boycott stackoverflow. Remove Prolog posts.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 16:15:07 UTC+2:
    This feature request is getting dusty:

    https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326728/502187

    But meanwhile highlight.js supports Prolog.

    So what are they waiting for?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Thu Sep 23 05:55:42 2021
    There is very simple solution to solve the highlighter.js problems
    in Stackoverflow. And there seem to be plenty:

    Stop guessing/auto-detecting a language when you KNOW it will be incorrect https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/355852/165536

    Just block all the staff admin/dev ops working for SE in
    participating on meta. They waste there time there on writing

    large excuses. And force the staff admin/dev ops to get
    their hands dirty, and fix stuff that they have broken.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 21:45:40 UTC+2:
    The greatest joke about stackoverflow is its slogan.
    The slogan is a pure lie:

    Screenshot: We <3 people who code https://gist.github.com/jburse/d39c5a835842ad83ec31266c46023e8f#gistcomment-3901869
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 21:31:10 UTC+2:
    I must definitively say Boycott Stackoverflow. Retract Prolog
    questions and answers, they don't get their priorities straight.
    Also people on meta are lemmings, if you request a highlighter
    they have a lot of moot excuses and vote down your feature request.

    As I said they don't get their priorities straight. The last argument
    I heard was the full highlight.js is too much network payload.
    This is more than silly. Its CDNed, and they don't get their
    priorities straight. Currently they deliver:

    - highlightjs-loader.en.js ca. 50 KBytes (laughable)
    - pubads_impl_2021091501.js ca. 100KBytes

    So their priority is to spam you with shitty ads, instead of
    delivering proper syntax highlighting.

    Boycott Stackoverflow
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:39:53 UTC+2:
    Its about time to support Prolog in SE.
    highlight.js seems to be new for SE:

    Goodbye, Prettify. Hello highlight.js!
    Swapping out our Syntax Highlighter
    Update 2020-09-24
    This is now live network-wide. https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/353983/165536
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:24:20 UTC+2:
    Even Qiita can do better, they have Prolog via Rouge.

    https://github.com/rouge-ruby/rouge/blob/master/lib/rouge/lexers/prolog.rb

    Boycott stackoverflow. Remove Prolog posts.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 16:15:07 UTC+2:
    This feature request is getting dusty:

    https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326728/502187

    But meanwhile highlight.js supports Prolog.

    So what are they waiting for?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Thu Sep 23 05:58:34 2021
    Or vet out the dumb nuts in staff admin/dev ops and
    replace them by competent people.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Donnerstag, 23. September 2021 um 14:55:44 UTC+2:
    There is very simple solution to solve the highlighter.js problems
    in Stackoverflow. And there seem to be plenty:

    Stop guessing/auto-detecting a language when you KNOW it will be incorrect https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/355852/165536

    Just block all the staff admin/dev ops working for SE in
    participating on meta. They waste there time there on writing

    large excuses. And force the staff admin/dev ops to get
    their hands dirty, and fix stuff that they have broken.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 21:45:40 UTC+2:
    The greatest joke about stackoverflow is its slogan.
    The slogan is a pure lie:

    Screenshot: We <3 people who code https://gist.github.com/jburse/d39c5a835842ad83ec31266c46023e8f#gistcomment-3901869
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 21:31:10 UTC+2:
    I must definitively say Boycott Stackoverflow. Retract Prolog
    questions and answers, they don't get their priorities straight.
    Also people on meta are lemmings, if you request a highlighter
    they have a lot of moot excuses and vote down your feature request.

    As I said they don't get their priorities straight. The last argument
    I heard was the full highlight.js is too much network payload.
    This is more than silly. Its CDNed, and they don't get their
    priorities straight. Currently they deliver:

    - highlightjs-loader.en.js ca. 50 KBytes (laughable)
    - pubads_impl_2021091501.js ca. 100KBytes

    So their priority is to spam you with shitty ads, instead of
    delivering proper syntax highlighting.

    Boycott Stackoverflow
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:39:53 UTC+2:
    Its about time to support Prolog in SE.
    highlight.js seems to be new for SE:

    Goodbye, Prettify. Hello highlight.js!
    Swapping out our Syntax Highlighter
    Update 2020-09-24
    This is now live network-wide. https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/353983/165536
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 20:24:20 UTC+2:
    Even Qiita can do better, they have Prolog via Rouge.

    https://github.com/rouge-ruby/rouge/blob/master/lib/rouge/lexers/prolog.rb

    Boycott stackoverflow. Remove Prolog posts.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 22. September 2021 um 16:15:07 UTC+2:
    This feature request is getting dusty:

    https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326728/502187

    But meanwhile highlight.js supports Prolog.

    So what are they waiting for?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 2 07:04:53 2021
    Ha Ha! Very good for intervals of procrastination:

    Earth is struck by a giant comet but is saved by ExtraGalactic scientists.
    The scientists discover tiny blobs who look upon us as a source of
    nourishment a priest talks to them of God, and they leave.

    http://cse.csusb.edu/dick/cs320/prolog/story.plg http://cse.csusb.edu/dick/cs320/lab/fantasy.plg

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 19 19:02:38 2021
    By way of sci.logic:

    Andrej Bauer has created a proposal for a new 'Proof assistants' StackExchange site.

    http://math.andrej.com/2021/11/20/proof-assistants-stackexchange-site/

    https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/126242/proof-assistants

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Nov 19 19:03:21 2021
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    Andrej Bauer has created a proposal for a new 'Proof assistants' StackExchange site. http://
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    an
    Never ever put your soul on stack exchange. They will not only
    disown you quickly, you will also not be able to deleted it. The have implemented technical means to block you from deleting your own content.

    From their terms and conditions: https://stackoverflow.com/legal/terms-of-service#licensing

    "Subscriber Content

    You agree that any and all content, including without limitation
    any and all text, graphics, logos, tools, photographs, images,
    illustrations, software or source code, audio and video, animations,
    and product feedback (collectively, “Content”) that you provide to
    the public Network (collectively, “Subscriber Content”), is perpetually
    and irrevocably licensed to Stack Overflow on a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive basis pursuant to Creative Commons licensing terms
    (CC BY-SA 4.0), and you grant Stack Overflow the perpetual and
    irrevocable right and license to access, use, process, copy, distribute, export, display and to commercially exploit such Subscriber Content,
    even if such Subscriber Content has been contributed and subsequently
    removed by you as reasonably necessary to, for example (without limitation):

    Provide, maintain, and update the public Network
    Process lawful requests from law enforcement agencies and government agencies Prevent and address security incidents and data security features,
    support features, and to provide technical assistance as it may be required Aggregate data to provide product optimization

    This means that you cannot revoke permission for Stack Overflow
    to publish, distribute, store and use such content and to allow others
    to have derivative rights to publish, distribute, store and use such
    content. The CC BY-SA 4.0 license terms are explained in further
    detail by Creative Commons, and the license terms applicable to
    content are explained in further detail here. You should be aware
    that all Public Content you contribute is available for public copy
    and redistribution, and all such Public Content must have
    appropriate attribution."

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:02:39 UTC+1:
    By way of sci.logic:

    Andrej Bauer has created a proposal for a new 'Proof assistants' StackExchange site.

    http://math.andrej.com/2021/11/20/proof-assistants-stackexchange-site/

    https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/126242/proof-assistants

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Nov 19 19:04:03 2021
    The most annoying thing is that the administrators use
    a ticket system, and in principle they make legally binding
    promisses, only they don't care what kind of promisses they

    write as answers into their own ticket system, the next
    day they change their mind, and do something else. So
    you cannot trust their word, because the rights you give

    them, in principle they need not be executed. But like
    the birtish museum has more mummies than Egypt itself,
    the stackexchange have more irrelevant information

    about your long retracted project than you would ever
    dream of. The way back machine has even not that much
    outdated nonsense in store. Even the house of a messie

    looks clean compared to stack exchange sites.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:03:22 UTC+1:
    Never ever put your soul on stack exchange. They will not only
    disown you quickly, you will also not be able to deleted it. The have implemented technical means to block you from deleting your own content.

    From their terms and conditions: https://stackoverflow.com/legal/terms-of-service#licensing

    "Subscriber Content

    You agree that any and all content, including without limitation
    any and all text, graphics, logos, tools, photographs, images, illustrations, software or source code, audio and video, animations,
    and product feedback (collectively, “Content”) that you provide to
    the public Network (collectively, “Subscriber Content”), is perpetually and irrevocably licensed to Stack Overflow on a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive basis pursuant to Creative Commons licensing terms
    (CC BY-SA 4.0), and you grant Stack Overflow the perpetual and
    irrevocable right and license to access, use, process, copy, distribute, export, display and to commercially exploit such Subscriber Content,
    even if such Subscriber Content has been contributed and subsequently removed by you as reasonably necessary to, for example (without limitation):

    Provide, maintain, and update the public Network
    Process lawful requests from law enforcement agencies and government agencies
    Prevent and address security incidents and data security features,
    support features, and to provide technical assistance as it may be required Aggregate data to provide product optimization

    This means that you cannot revoke permission for Stack Overflow
    to publish, distribute, store and use such content and to allow others
    to have derivative rights to publish, distribute, store and use such content. The CC BY-SA 4.0 license terms are explained in further
    detail by Creative Commons, and the license terms applicable to
    content are explained in further detail here. You should be aware
    that all Public Content you contribute is available for public copy
    and redistribution, and all such Public Content must have
    appropriate attribution."
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:02:39 UTC+1:
    By way of sci.logic:

    Andrej Bauer has created a proposal for a new 'Proof assistants' StackExchange site.

    http://math.andrej.com/2021/11/20/proof-assistants-stackexchange-site/

    https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/126242/proof-assistants

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Nov 19 19:05:42 2021
    Also they swim in money:

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/stack-overflow-sold-to-tech-investor-prosus-for-1-8-billion/

    But they can even not make a syntax highlighter
    that works correctly for the Prolog programming
    language, and laugh at you when you request that.

    You also wont see a bit of this money in your own
    poket. The only incentive they offer is their gamefication
    of Q & A, and astonishingly for many that seems to

    be motivation. They only use you to earn more money
    with their job fair spin off etc.. etc.. and the content has
    become click bait for job offers. Because of this degradation

    of their content, for many problems you now find much
    better sites and much better courated information.
    Typically problems are now also addressed by YouTubers

    etc.., because others want also profit from this Q & A
    traffic magnet. It is quite likely that stack exchanges will
    disappear if their bit rot continues as it does now.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:04:03 UTC+1:
    The most annoying thing is that the administrators use
    a ticket system, and in principle they make legally binding
    promisses, only they don't care what kind of promisses they

    write as answers into their own ticket system, the next
    day they change their mind, and do something else. So
    you cannot trust their word, because the rights you give

    them, in principle they need not be executed. But like
    the birtish museum has more mummies than Egypt itself,
    the stackexchange have more irrelevant information

    about your long retracted project than you would ever
    dream of. The way back machine has even not that much
    outdated nonsense in store. Even the house of a messie

    looks clean compared to stack exchange sites.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:03:22 UTC+1:
    Never ever put your soul on stack exchange. They will not only
    disown you quickly, you will also not be able to deleted it. The have implemented technical means to block you from deleting your own content.

    From their terms and conditions: https://stackoverflow.com/legal/terms-of-service#licensing

    "Subscriber Content

    You agree that any and all content, including without limitation
    any and all text, graphics, logos, tools, photographs, images, illustrations, software or source code, audio and video, animations,
    and product feedback (collectively, “Content”) that you provide to
    the public Network (collectively, “Subscriber Content”), is perpetually
    and irrevocably licensed to Stack Overflow on a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive basis pursuant to Creative Commons licensing terms
    (CC BY-SA 4.0), and you grant Stack Overflow the perpetual and
    irrevocable right and license to access, use, process, copy, distribute, export, display and to commercially exploit such Subscriber Content,
    even if such Subscriber Content has been contributed and subsequently removed by you as reasonably necessary to, for example (without limitation):

    Provide, maintain, and update the public Network
    Process lawful requests from law enforcement agencies and government agencies
    Prevent and address security incidents and data security features,
    support features, and to provide technical assistance as it may be required
    Aggregate data to provide product optimization

    This means that you cannot revoke permission for Stack Overflow
    to publish, distribute, store and use such content and to allow others
    to have derivative rights to publish, distribute, store and use such content. The CC BY-SA 4.0 license terms are explained in further
    detail by Creative Commons, and the license terms applicable to
    content are explained in further detail here. You should be aware
    that all Public Content you contribute is available for public copy
    and redistribution, and all such Public Content must have
    appropriate attribution."
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:02:39 UTC+1:
    By way of sci.logic:

    Andrej Bauer has created a proposal for a new 'Proof assistants' StackExchange site.

    http://math.andrej.com/2021/11/20/proof-assistants-stackexchange-site/

    https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/126242/proof-assistants

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Nov 19 19:24:51 2021
    About Zulip I don't know. Somehow the gameification stack
    exchange rule system does not guarantee high quality,
    because it is more based on hunters and collectors mentality,
    where everything is taken and infinitely kept. On a first

    sight the rational makes sense, especially for example for
    computer related stuff. I might quite well have an Amiga
    at home, and ask a question about it. But is this true? There
    is rather a trend now to quickly move one, and eradicate

    old releases, move them out of circulation. Outdated stuff
    that gets stuck in wild only generates cost. It might be full
    of security holes, or shows long dismissed behaviour, because
    some specs have evolved. Stack exchange was designed

    without the concept of end of lifetime in mind. This shines.
    If you try to pull the plug of something, and by accident you
    hit some alarm threshold, its impossible to explain an admistrator
    that you need an exception. The admistrators have become

    robots, that are not able to question the rules of their system.
    If you would employ them in Auschwitz, they would efficiently
    gas people after people. They have become brainless bricks.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:05:42 UTC+1:
    Also they swim in money:

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/stack-overflow-sold-to-tech-investor-prosus-for-1-8-billion/

    But they can even not make a syntax highlighter
    that works correctly for the Prolog programming
    language, and laugh at you when you request that.

    You also wont see a bit of this money in your own
    poket. The only incentive they offer is their gamefication
    of Q & A, and astonishingly for many that seems to

    be motivation. They only use you to earn more money
    with their job fair spin off etc.. etc.. and the content has
    become click bait for job offers. Because of this degradation

    of their content, for many problems you now find much
    better sites and much better courated information.
    Typically problems are now also addressed by YouTubers

    etc.., because others want also profit from this Q & A
    traffic magnet. It is quite likely that stack exchanges will
    disappear if their bit rot continues as it does now.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:04:03 UTC+1:
    The most annoying thing is that the administrators use
    a ticket system, and in principle they make legally binding
    promisses, only they don't care what kind of promisses they

    write as answers into their own ticket system, the next
    day they change their mind, and do something else. So
    you cannot trust their word, because the rights you give

    them, in principle they need not be executed. But like
    the birtish museum has more mummies than Egypt itself,
    the stackexchange have more irrelevant information

    about your long retracted project than you would ever
    dream of. The way back machine has even not that much
    outdated nonsense in store. Even the house of a messie

    looks clean compared to stack exchange sites.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:03:22 UTC+1:
    Never ever put your soul on stack exchange. They will not only
    disown you quickly, you will also not be able to deleted it. The have implemented technical means to block you from deleting your own content.

    From their terms and conditions: https://stackoverflow.com/legal/terms-of-service#licensing

    "Subscriber Content

    You agree that any and all content, including without limitation
    any and all text, graphics, logos, tools, photographs, images, illustrations, software or source code, audio and video, animations,
    and product feedback (collectively, “Content”) that you provide to the public Network (collectively, “Subscriber Content”), is perpetually
    and irrevocably licensed to Stack Overflow on a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive basis pursuant to Creative Commons licensing terms
    (CC BY-SA 4.0), and you grant Stack Overflow the perpetual and irrevocable right and license to access, use, process, copy, distribute, export, display and to commercially exploit such Subscriber Content, even if such Subscriber Content has been contributed and subsequently removed by you as reasonably necessary to, for example (without limitation):

    Provide, maintain, and update the public Network
    Process lawful requests from law enforcement agencies and government agencies
    Prevent and address security incidents and data security features, support features, and to provide technical assistance as it may be required
    Aggregate data to provide product optimization

    This means that you cannot revoke permission for Stack Overflow
    to publish, distribute, store and use such content and to allow others to have derivative rights to publish, distribute, store and use such content. The CC BY-SA 4.0 license terms are explained in further
    detail by Creative Commons, and the license terms applicable to
    content are explained in further detail here. You should be aware
    that all Public Content you contribute is available for public copy
    and redistribution, and all such Public Content must have
    appropriate attribution."
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:02:39 UTC+1:
    By way of sci.logic:

    Andrej Bauer has created a proposal for a new 'Proof assistants' StackExchange site.

    http://math.andrej.com/2021/11/20/proof-assistants-stackexchange-site/

    https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/126242/proof-assistants

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Nov 19 19:32:38 2021
    The "end of lifetime" concept is very common now
    in computers, but it is for example alien to mathematics.
    Pythagoras theorem is an ethernal thruth, it doesnt have

    an "end of lifetime". But if you do proof assistants, you
    will again deal with computers. So a Q & A site that
    cannot handle "end of lifetime" would be a pain in

    the ass. Some computer projects keep long records
    of everything, for example python, has quite a big collection
    of PEPs. But then their might be revolutions, like going

    from python2 to python3, and things become versioned.
    Stack exchange is too stupid to offer something that
    would have a similar effect. They have "tags". I tried

    marking the outdated stuff by a "tag", but there were
    the following limitations:
    - Question can only have maximally 5 tags
    - Answers do not have tags at all!

    So I gave up and deleted my account. Now my account
    is dissassociated from all questions and answers,
    and the question and answers are a big mess, and talk
    about a Prolog system that doesn't exist anymore.

    LoL

    Stack exchange is just a joke!

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:24:52 UTC+1:
    About Zulip I don't know. Somehow the gameification stack
    exchange rule system does not guarantee high quality,
    because it is more based on hunters and collectors mentality,
    where everything is taken and infinitely kept. On a first

    sight the rational makes sense, especially for example for
    computer related stuff. I might quite well have an Amiga
    at home, and ask a question about it. But is this true? There
    is rather a trend now to quickly move one, and eradicate

    old releases, move them out of circulation. Outdated stuff
    that gets stuck in wild only generates cost. It might be full
    of security holes, or shows long dismissed behaviour, because
    some specs have evolved. Stack exchange was designed

    without the concept of end of lifetime in mind. This shines.
    If you try to pull the plug of something, and by accident you
    hit some alarm threshold, its impossible to explain an admistrator
    that you need an exception. The admistrators have become

    robots, that are not able to question the rules of their system.
    If you would employ them in Auschwitz, they would efficiently
    gas people after people. They have become brainless bricks.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:05:42 UTC+1:
    Also they swim in money:

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/stack-overflow-sold-to-tech-investor-prosus-for-1-8-billion/

    But they can even not make a syntax highlighter
    that works correctly for the Prolog programming
    language, and laugh at you when you request that.

    You also wont see a bit of this money in your own
    poket. The only incentive they offer is their gamefication
    of Q & A, and astonishingly for many that seems to

    be motivation. They only use you to earn more money
    with their job fair spin off etc.. etc.. and the content has
    become click bait for job offers. Because of this degradation

    of their content, for many problems you now find much
    better sites and much better courated information.
    Typically problems are now also addressed by YouTubers

    etc.., because others want also profit from this Q & A
    traffic magnet. It is quite likely that stack exchanges will
    disappear if their bit rot continues as it does now.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:04:03 UTC+1:
    The most annoying thing is that the administrators use
    a ticket system, and in principle they make legally binding
    promisses, only they don't care what kind of promisses they

    write as answers into their own ticket system, the next
    day they change their mind, and do something else. So
    you cannot trust their word, because the rights you give

    them, in principle they need not be executed. But like
    the birtish museum has more mummies than Egypt itself,
    the stackexchange have more irrelevant information

    about your long retracted project than you would ever
    dream of. The way back machine has even not that much
    outdated nonsense in store. Even the house of a messie

    looks clean compared to stack exchange sites.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:03:22 UTC+1:
    Never ever put your soul on stack exchange. They will not only
    disown you quickly, you will also not be able to deleted it. The have implemented technical means to block you from deleting your own content.

    From their terms and conditions: https://stackoverflow.com/legal/terms-of-service#licensing

    "Subscriber Content

    You agree that any and all content, including without limitation
    any and all text, graphics, logos, tools, photographs, images, illustrations, software or source code, audio and video, animations, and product feedback (collectively, “Content”) that you provide to the public Network (collectively, “Subscriber Content”), is perpetually
    and irrevocably licensed to Stack Overflow on a worldwide, royalty-free,
    non-exclusive basis pursuant to Creative Commons licensing terms
    (CC BY-SA 4.0), and you grant Stack Overflow the perpetual and irrevocable right and license to access, use, process, copy, distribute,
    export, display and to commercially exploit such Subscriber Content, even if such Subscriber Content has been contributed and subsequently removed by you as reasonably necessary to, for example (without limitation):

    Provide, maintain, and update the public Network
    Process lawful requests from law enforcement agencies and government agencies
    Prevent and address security incidents and data security features, support features, and to provide technical assistance as it may be required
    Aggregate data to provide product optimization

    This means that you cannot revoke permission for Stack Overflow
    to publish, distribute, store and use such content and to allow others to have derivative rights to publish, distribute, store and use such content. The CC BY-SA 4.0 license terms are explained in further detail by Creative Commons, and the license terms applicable to content are explained in further detail here. You should be aware
    that all Public Content you contribute is available for public copy and redistribution, and all such Public Content must have
    appropriate attribution."
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 04:02:39 UTC+1:
    By way of sci.logic:

    Andrej Bauer has created a proposal for a new 'Proof assistants' StackExchange site.

    http://math.andrej.com/2021/11/20/proof-assistants-stackexchange-site/

    https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/126242/proof-assistants

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 20 06:35:51 2021
    Also I wouldn't trust Andrej Bauer when he sets up such
    a group. He can be quite "posh", for example he cancels
    people on cs.stackexchange.com, because he claims

    the question is not a research question. And then
    he finds support for this cancel culture by the charter
    of cs.stackexchange.com. So stack exchange sites

    are known to implement a form of class racism. There
    is a danger that this proof assistant stack exchange site
    not only becomes a bitrot exchange, but also

    those pieces that are not bitrot do not become accessible
    to all, and not everybody can contribute. So it might become
    an elite thing like mathoverflow, cs.stackexchange.com, etc..

    but logic and set theory for example, should be available
    to everyone. Especially via tools they should provide end-user
    empowerment for everybody. Just like an excel or word.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sat Nov 20 06:40:10 2021
    The best would be anyway a new type of Q & A, that supports
    a form of literate programming. Literature programming can
    be also used in proof assistants. Actually Isabelle/HOL makes

    good use of literate programming, their proof archive is just
    PDF generated from computer proofs that have also comments
    in it, and can be read like a book. But since bitrot exchange

    is so lame, they can even not make a syntax highlighter for
    the Prolog programming language, proof assistants literature
    programming style is definitely not the right place for bitrot

    exchange. They are simply way too stupid.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 15:36:02 UTC+1:
    Also I wouldn't trust Andrej Bauer when he sets up such
    a group. He can be quite "posh", for example he cancels
    people on cs.stackexchange.com, because he claims

    the question is not a research question. And then
    he finds support for this cancel culture by the charter
    of cs.stackexchange.com. So stack exchange sites

    are known to implement a form of class racism. There
    is a danger that this proof assistant stack exchange site
    not only becomes a bitrot exchange, but also

    those pieces that are not bitrot do not become accessible
    to all, and not everybody can contribute. So it might become
    an elite thing like mathoverflow, cs.stackexchange.com, etc..

    but logic and set theory for example, should be available
    to everyone. Especially via tools they should provide end-user
    empowerment for everybody. Just like an excel or word.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sat Nov 20 07:05:09 2021
    A cute new Q & A system would be a system that also provides
    compute servers. These servers would do the proofs in the proof
    documents. Maybe this can be also done client side, not yet sure.

    Usually a theory imports other theories and you got a usual
    module network, a client can load all these modules and perform
    compute locally. But maybe a hybrid could with some batch

    processing could bring some bang. So that the end-user experience
    is not interrupted by some heavy processing, instead compute
    servers help you invisibly in the background. A new version of

    SWISH could maybe do that. The recent discussion about legal
    documents and s(CASP) on SWI-Prolog discourse was also interesting.
    The scope of the new proof assistant is also quite narrow, and

    thinks proof assistants are only used for math and cs, but they
    have also uses in philsophical logic, in legal reasoning, etc.. You
    find already proof of such use cases in the wild. Just look around.

    I already though that bitrot exchange implements a form of
    pseudo scientism. The spaw site after site. If there is a site about
    camping, a few months later there will be two sites, on for

    camping with blue tents and one for camping with red tents.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 15:40:11 UTC+1:
    The best would be anyway a new type of Q & A, that supports
    a form of literate programming. Literature programming can
    be also used in proof assistants. Actually Isabelle/HOL makes

    good use of literate programming, their proof archive is just
    PDF generated from computer proofs that have also comments
    in it, and can be read like a book. But since bitrot exchange

    is so lame, they can even not make a syntax highlighter for
    the Prolog programming language, proof assistants literature
    programming style is definitely not the right place for bitrot

    exchange. They are simply way too stupid.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 15:36:02 UTC+1:
    Also I wouldn't trust Andrej Bauer when he sets up such
    a group. He can be quite "posh", for example he cancels
    people on cs.stackexchange.com, because he claims

    the question is not a research question. And then
    he finds support for this cancel culture by the charter
    of cs.stackexchange.com. So stack exchange sites

    are known to implement a form of class racism. There
    is a danger that this proof assistant stack exchange site
    not only becomes a bitrot exchange, but also

    those pieces that are not bitrot do not become accessible
    to all, and not everybody can contribute. So it might become
    an elite thing like mathoverflow, cs.stackexchange.com, etc..

    but logic and set theory for example, should be available
    to everyone. Especially via tools they should provide end-user
    empowerment for everybody. Just like an excel or word.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sat Nov 20 07:07:45 2021
    Don't worry guys, I am not really angry,
    I am just doing some brain writing.

    "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the
    intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one
    who gets burned."
    - Buddha

    But I guess we can consider bitrot exchange as a scratchpad
    that will not last for ethernity. After all singularity will only
    happen when we reach this point:

    "Can you imagine that they used to have libraries where
    the books didn't even talk to each other?"
    - Marvin Minsky, MIT

    LoL

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 16:05:10 UTC+1:
    A cute new Q & A system would be a system that also provides
    compute servers. These servers would do the proofs in the proof
    documents. Maybe this can be also done client side, not yet sure.

    Usually a theory imports other theories and you got a usual
    module network, a client can load all these modules and perform
    compute locally. But maybe a hybrid could with some batch

    processing could bring some bang. So that the end-user experience
    is not interrupted by some heavy processing, instead compute
    servers help you invisibly in the background. A new version of

    SWISH could maybe do that. The recent discussion about legal
    documents and s(CASP) on SWI-Prolog discourse was also interesting.
    The scope of the new proof assistant is also quite narrow, and

    thinks proof assistants are only used for math and cs, but they
    have also uses in philsophical logic, in legal reasoning, etc.. You
    find already proof of such use cases in the wild. Just look around.

    I already though that bitrot exchange implements a form of
    pseudo scientism. The spaw site after site. If there is a site about
    camping, a few months later there will be two sites, on for

    camping with blue tents and one for camping with red tents.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 15:40:11 UTC+1:
    The best would be anyway a new type of Q & A, that supports
    a form of literate programming. Literature programming can
    be also used in proof assistants. Actually Isabelle/HOL makes

    good use of literate programming, their proof archive is just
    PDF generated from computer proofs that have also comments
    in it, and can be read like a book. But since bitrot exchange

    is so lame, they can even not make a syntax highlighter for
    the Prolog programming language, proof assistants literature
    programming style is definitely not the right place for bitrot

    exchange. They are simply way too stupid.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 15:36:02 UTC+1:
    Also I wouldn't trust Andrej Bauer when he sets up such
    a group. He can be quite "posh", for example he cancels
    people on cs.stackexchange.com, because he claims

    the question is not a research question. And then
    he finds support for this cancel culture by the charter
    of cs.stackexchange.com. So stack exchange sites

    are known to implement a form of class racism. There
    is a danger that this proof assistant stack exchange site
    not only becomes a bitrot exchange, but also

    those pieces that are not bitrot do not become accessible
    to all, and not everybody can contribute. So it might become
    an elite thing like mathoverflow, cs.stackexchange.com, etc..

    but logic and set theory for example, should be available
    to everyone. Especially via tools they should provide end-user empowerment for everybody. Just like an excel or word.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sat Nov 20 10:44:23 2021
    Microsoft would possibly pay at least the double, if they could
    get hold of Jan W. himself and if they would mistake Prolog
    for Python. Now the position is occupied by Guido R.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 20. November 2021 um 19:29:40 UTC+1:
    This fits somehow the bitrot exchange topic.
    SWI-Prolog wants to measure work in hard money.
    Here is my penny (pun) of thought:

    Highly qualified work, like contributing to a programming
    language implementation without breaking things and writing
    documentation, is at least worth 1000 EUR per Day. Which

    makes around 100 EUR per Hour. No joke.

    Problem is anybody touching a programming language has
    to be fit in software architecture. Like juggling with APIs. So
    I took a software architect salary from the upper spectrum,

    which is around 200’000.- EUR per Year, to account for the
    exotic Prolog requirement, and divided it by 200 working
    days per Year, which gives me 1000.- per Day.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 20 10:29:39 2021
    This fits somehow the bitrot exchange topic.
    SWI-Prolog wants to measure work in hard money.
    Here is my penny (pun) of thought:

    Highly qualified work, like contributing to a programming
    language implementation without breaking things and writing
    documentation, is at least worth 1000 EUR per Day. Which

    makes around 100 EUR per Hour. No joke.

    Problem is anybody touching a programming language has
    to be fit in software architecture. Like juggling with APIs. So
    I took a software architect salary from the upper spectrum,

    which is around 200’000.- EUR per Year, to account for the
    exotic Prolog requirement, and divided it by 200 working
    days per Year, which gives me 1000.- per Day.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 21 10:01:29 2021
    I hope they name it:

    qed.stackexchange.com
    https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/a/32603/100686

    Although I am not in favor of bitrot exchange in general.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sun Nov 21 10:26:27 2021
    Anyway you might need multiple run-ups. For example
    an artificial intelligence stackexchange site had a lot
    of opposition in the past, and there were multiple

    failed run-ups. But today there is:

    https://ai.stackexchange.com/

    One old argument against it was:

    According to the post No Artificial Intelligence in Area 51
    the main reason for the failure of the last proposal was
    the lack of expert-level questions:

    It wasn’t so much the lack of questions that was of concern — 
    a site can stay in beta as long as it takes — but the conspicuous
    lack of expert-level questions. This was also the emerging opinion
    amongst the users:
    [...]
    70-80% of the questions didn’t run much deeper than “When will
    we have intelligent computers?” and “What is your favorite AI blog?”

    https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12367/100686

    Now everybody is expert in artificial intelligence. You
    find even 15 year old youngsters from Kerala, India posting
    videos on youtube about Google tensor flow.

    LoL

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 21. November 2021 um 19:01:30 UTC+1:
    I hope they name it:

    qed.stackexchange.com
    https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/a/32603/100686

    Although I am not in favor of bitrot exchange in general.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sun Nov 21 10:33:22 2021
    BTW: I can assure you "qed" is the best name. Since its
    very catchy and the man on the street doesn't know what
    it means, similar to "stackoverflow". In the past (2013) there

    was also a thinking for the other stackexchange site:

    "Don't give it a 'Hollywood' title like 'artificial intelligence'.
    Call it "Machine Learning and Intelligent Computation"". https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13109/100686

    Guess what it is called now?

    LoL

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 21. November 2021 um 19:26:28 UTC+1:
    Anyway you might need multiple run-ups. For example
    an artificial intelligence stackexchange site had a lot
    of opposition in the past, and there were multiple

    failed run-ups. But today there is:

    https://ai.stackexchange.com/

    One old argument against it was:

    According to the post No Artificial Intelligence in Area 51
    the main reason for the failure of the last proposal was
    the lack of expert-level questions:

    It wasn’t so much the lack of questions that was of concern — 
    a site can stay in beta as long as it takes — but the conspicuous
    lack of expert-level questions. This was also the emerging opinion
    amongst the users:
    [...]
    70-80% of the questions didn’t run much deeper than “When will
    we have intelligent computers?” and “What is your favorite AI blog?”

    https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12367/100686

    Now everybody is expert in artificial intelligence. You
    find even 15 year old youngsters from Kerala, India posting
    videos on youtube about Google tensor flow.

    LoL
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Sonntag, 21. November 2021 um 19:01:30 UTC+1:
    I hope they name it:

    qed.stackexchange.com
    https://area51.meta.stackexchange.com/a/32603/100686

    Although I am not in favor of bitrot exchange in general.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 21 18:11:43 2021
    What could be interesting, to combine a stackexchange with
    blockchain. For example make a proof a Non-Fungible Token,
    and then let the author decided where the proof is

    displayed. So a stackexchange would be like a museum,
    and the proofs would be unique. But the owner of the proof,
    not necessarely the original author, since there can be a

    market and trade, can decide whether something is on display?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sun Nov 21 18:17:37 2021
    The author of a proof would be free in the choice of his
    tools. He could also choose tools that even would assist
    him in generating the theorem itself that he would prove.

    Whereby the mathematical profession is seen as
    hard work and a lot of sweat to found a field and
    explore a field, the new profession would be pushing

    a button, and new fields would sprout like flowers.

    Immortalise Your Valentine in Mathematics - Cavallo, 2011 https://www.prweb.com/releases/theorymine/valentinesdaygeekgifts/prweb5054614.htm

    The Theory behind TheoryMine
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228428155

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 22. November 2021 um 03:11:44 UTC+1:
    What could be interesting, to combine a stackexchange with
    blockchain. For example make a proof a Non-Fungible Token,
    and then let the author decided where the proof is

    displayed. So a stackexchange would be like a museum,
    and the proofs would be unique. But the owner of the proof,
    not necessarely the original author, since there can be a

    market and trade, can decide whether something is on display?

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 22 02:48:25 2021
    Ha Ha, what an ignorant:

    QED is a phrase which existed for thousands of years before computers.
    This site is specifically about computer proofs, not proofs.
    – Kevin Buzzard

    Nope. QED is not that old. It became use after the dark ages. So its
    only like 500 years old. The abrevation for the greek precursor would
    be something like OEΔ. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_erat_demonstrandum#Herkunft

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Mon Nov 22 02:51:54 2021
    BTW: This could be also fun:

    eureka.stackexchange.com
    See also:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_%28word%29#Mathematics

    aha.stackexchange.com
    See also:
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aha

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 22. November 2021 um 11:48:26 UTC+1:
    Ha Ha, what an ignorant:

    QED is a phrase which existed for thousands of years before computers.
    This site is specifically about computer proofs, not proofs.
    – Kevin Buzzard

    Nope. QED is not that old. It became use after the dark ages. So its
    only like 500 years old. The abrevation for the greek precursor would
    be something like OEΔ. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quod_erat_demonstrandum#Herkunft

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 30 05:32:29 2021
    A glimpse what might come in the future, even solely
    in the client, no need for server roundtrips, and very
    nice rendering of formulas:

    Automated Propositional Sequent Proofs
    in Your Browser with Tau Prolog
    Feb 7, 2021 • Philip Zucker https://www.philipzucker.com/javascript-automated-proving/

    If bitrot stackexchanges adopts something from MSE
    it could reach such rendering. But SO can even not
    render Prolog code correctly.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Wed Dec 1 16:55:23 2021
    Generating theorems itself has now a name:

    CAH: Computer assisted seeing of patterns aka halucinations?

    "More than a century ago, Srinivasa Ramanujan shocked
    the mathematical world with his extraordinary ability to
    see remarkable patterns in numbers that no one else
    could see. The self-taught mathematician from India
    described his insights as deeply intuitive and spiritual,
    and patterns often came to him in vivid dreams."

    "The use of learning techniques and AI systems holds
    great promise for the identification and discovery of
    patterns in mathematics. Even if certain kinds of patterns
    continue to elude modern ML, we hope our Nature paper
    can inspire other researchers to consider the potential
    for AI as a useful tool in pure maths." https://deepmind.com/blog/article/exploring-the-beauty-of-pure-mathematics-in-novel-ways

    LoL

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 22. November 2021 um 03:17:38 UTC+1:
    The author of a proof would be free in the choice of his
    tools. He could also choose tools that even would assist
    him in generating the theorem itself that he would prove.

    Whereby the mathematical profession is seen as
    hard work and a lot of sweat to found a field and
    explore a field, the new profession would be pushing

    a button, and new fields would sprout like flowers.

    Immortalise Your Valentine in Mathematics - Cavallo, 2011 https://www.prweb.com/releases/theorymine/valentinesdaygeekgifts/prweb5054614.htm

    The Theory behind TheoryMine https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228428155
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 22. November 2021 um 03:11:44 UTC+1:
    What could be interesting, to combine a stackexchange with
    blockchain. For example make a proof a Non-Fungible Token,
    and then let the author decided where the proof is

    displayed. So a stackexchange would be like a museum,
    and the proofs would be unique. But the owner of the proof,
    not necessarely the original author, since there can be a

    market and trade, can decide whether something is on display?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sat Dec 4 07:25:57 2021
    Works also inside SWISH, try this SWISH Prolog text:

    https://swish.swi-prolog.org/p/phil_zucker.pl

    Only SWISH shows the result with writeq/1 and not with write/1:

    Proof = rimpl([]>[('A' & 'B' => 'A')], land([('A' & 'B')]>['A'],
    ax(['A', 'B']>['A'], 'A')))

    Now somebody add a MathJax SWISH renderer?

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 30. November 2021 um 14:32:30 UTC+1:
    A glimpse what might come in the future, even solely
    in the client, no need for server roundtrips, and very
    nice rendering of formulas:

    Automated Propositional Sequent Proofs
    in Your Browser with Tau Prolog
    Feb 7, 2021 • Philip Zucker https://www.philipzucker.com/javascript-automated-proving/

    If bitrot stackexchanges adopts something from MSE
    it could reach such rendering. But SO can even not
    render Prolog code correctly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Sun Dec 5 08:58:07 2021
    Would be really interesting to see how fast SWISH round trip would
    be for other logics than only classical propositonal logic, as in Phil Zuckers prove0/2 above. Also nice MathJax dressing inside SWISH would be cool.

    This trivia takes quite some time, but requires FOL with equality:

    ∀a∀b∀c((Fab ∧ Fac) → b=c) ∧
    (∀a(¬a=z ↔ ∃bFab) ∧
    ∀a∀b(Fab ↔ m(a,b)=o))
    entails ∀a(¬a=z → ∃b(Fab ∧ m(a,b)=o)).
    https://www.umsu.de/trees

    But maybe the time is consumed because the online tool by Wolfgang
    Schwarz does two things at once, trying to find a proof and trying to find
    a counter model? Not sure.

    Also ∀a∀b∀c((Fab ∧ Fac) → b=c) is a decoy, not needed in the proof, which slows down the proof search I guess.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Samstag, 4. Dezember 2021 um 16:25:58 UTC+1:
    Works also inside SWISH, try this SWISH Prolog text:

    https://swish.swi-prolog.org/p/phil_zucker.pl

    Only SWISH shows the result with writeq/1 and not with write/1:

    Proof = rimpl([]>[('A' & 'B' => 'A')], land([('A' & 'B')]>['A'],
    ax(['A', 'B']>['A'], 'A')))

    Now somebody add a MathJax SWISH renderer?
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 30. November 2021 um 14:32:30 UTC+1:
    A glimpse what might come in the future, even solely
    in the client, no need for server roundtrips, and very
    nice rendering of formulas:

    Automated Propositional Sequent Proofs
    in Your Browser with Tau Prolog
    Feb 7, 2021 • Philip Zucker https://www.philipzucker.com/javascript-automated-proving/

    If bitrot stackexchanges adopts something from MSE
    it could reach such rendering. But SO can even not
    render Prolog code correctly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 8 16:57:29 2021
    This was fun:

    Dogelog and MathJax love at first sight https://medium.com/@janburse_2989/dogelog-and-mathjax-love-at-first-sight-56deb51d5cd

    But on the down side:

    We will update this article with links to the involved
    artefacts as soon as we have found a new paste bin.
    Since we have removed us from GitHub, we do not
    have gist anymore. Please be patient.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Wed Dec 8 17:30:05 2021
    BTW: Philip Zucker is an amazing trove concerning Prolog:

    Verifying Nand2Tetris with Horn Clauses https://www.philipzucker.com/nand2tetris-chc/

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Donnerstag, 9. Dezember 2021 um 01:57:30 UTC+1:
    This was fun:

    Dogelog and MathJax love at first sight https://medium.com/@janburse_2989/dogelog-and-mathjax-love-at-first-sight-56deb51d5cd

    But on the down side:

    We will update this article with links to the involved
    artefacts as soon as we have found a new paste bin.
    Since we have removed us from GitHub, we do not
    have gist anymore. Please be patient.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Wed Feb 23 03:06:16 2022
    I have the impression they are as weak as the indogenious
    population of north and south america that got conquested,
    with the difference that the historical footprint shows that

    that they often cannibalize each other first. LoL

    When did this stop in Europe? The 100 years war,
    The 30 years war, french revolution, and many more
    conflicts including WW-I and WW-II...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years'_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

    But maybe Russia and USA are not yet ready, USA
    and Russia not having enough wars. The remaining
    testosterone idiots of the 21-th century...

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2022 um 11:47:48 UTC+1:
    Interestingly the Stack Overflow Admins are more criminal
    than the Putin Poudle. They disown your content and you can
    even not anymore delete your own stuff. Given the fact how
    many people endure the tirrany of Stack Overflow Admins,

    because they believe the narrative of the greater good of
    Stack Overflow, whereas these criminal jerks(*) are just professional
    content thiefs, you can extrapolate how much brainwash is
    possible and what a country populace will endure when it is weak.

    Most eastern people are weak, you can bribe them with Vodka.

    (*)
    The situation in Stack Overflow only went unnoticed since
    this notorious thiefs had no competition. But the situation has
    probably changed, there is Quora etc..(**) The same in Ukraine,
    there is probably now not only the east, but also the west, who would

    like to brainwash the country. But can the USA offer enough Vodka?

    (**)
    You also see the detrimental effect of the criminal behaviour,
    the Stack Overflow sites are full with bitrot. These idiot criminals
    are worse than Gollum, they think every posted piece is a jewel,
    and they never let go, even if it is outdated nonsense.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 23 02:47:46 2022
    Interestingly the Stack Overflow Admins are more criminal
    than the Putin Poudle. They disown your content and you can
    even not anymore delete your own stuff. Given the fact how
    many people endure the tirrany of Stack Overflow Admins,

    because they believe the narrative of the greater good of
    Stack Overflow, whereas these criminal jerks(*) are just professional
    content thiefs, you can extrapolate how much brainwash is
    possible and what a country populace will endure when it is weak.

    Most eastern people are weak, you can bribe them with Vodka.

    (*)
    The situation in Stack Overflow only went unnoticed since
    this notorious thiefs had no competition. But the situation has
    probably changed, there is Quora etc..(**) The same in Ukraine,
    there is probably now not only the east, but also the west, who would

    like to brainwash the country. But can the USA offer enough Vodka?

    (**)
    You also see the detrimental effect of the criminal behaviour,
    the Stack Overflow sites are full with bitrot. These idiot criminals
    are worse than Gollum, they think every posted piece is a jewel,
    and they never let go, even if it is outdated nonsense.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Mon Feb 28 05:48:42 2022
    Why will security spending increase?

    Government of the Sverdlovsk Region has been breached.
    In real-time. Making use of a new vulnerability targeting Gitlab. https://twitter.com/AgainstTheWest_/status/1498275915985559564

    LoL

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2022 um 12:06:18 UTC+1:
    I have the impression they are as weak as the indogenious
    population of north and south america that got conquested,
    with the difference that the historical footprint shows that

    that they often cannibalize each other first. LoL

    When did this stop in Europe? The 100 years war,
    The 30 years war, french revolution, and many more
    conflicts including WW-I and WW-II...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years'_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

    But maybe Russia and USA are not yet ready, USA
    and Russia not having enough wars. The remaining
    testosterone idiots of the 21-th century...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Tue Apr 5 06:55:33 2022
    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russian President
    Vladimir Putin banned the acquisition of foreign software
    for critical information infrastructure

    There is also a first prototype of Vladimir Medinsky
    "patriotic Internet", Welcome to WINDOWS SOVIET☭ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ6c17SLB7E

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 28. Februar 2022 um 14:48:45 UTC+1:
    Why will security spending increase?

    Government of the Sverdlovsk Region has been breached.
    In real-time. Making use of a new vulnerability targeting Gitlab. https://twitter.com/AgainstTheWest_/status/1498275915985559564

    LoL

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Julio Di Egidio@21:1/5 to auto-Burse on Tue Apr 5 08:50:48 2022
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 15:55:34 UTC+2, auto-Burse wrote:

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russian President
    Vladimir Putin banned the acquisition of foreign software
    for critical information infrastructure

    And rightly so, and of hardware: it's all just full of backdoors, don't ya know? As it's also true that typical western content and "globalisation", from food to culture passing by literally everything, is plain poison and brainwashing and so it's been
    systematically since just after WW2, to accompany the most atrocious real frauds and crimes against humanity: so they'd at least better use their own... Indeed, I for one am gonna escape from this insane and deadly, not to mention indecent and retarded,
    shithole as soon as I can.

    Fuck the UK, the US and the EU, from the act of fencing the land to the full scale global genocidal crimes, as if the crusades or the conquistadores hadn't done enough damage: concurrent to the systematic domestic cultivation of the shittiest, most
    ignorant and vilest people in the entire history of humanity: the true children of the Huns, where they pass not even grass grows anymore.

    Enough said.

    Julio

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Tue Apr 5 08:36:40 2022
    Windows Soviet will soon run on Yota Phone,
    the genius phone with two screens, because why not?

    Yotaphone: Russia's Failed Smartphone https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JE2-n8Im8GA

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Dienstag, 5. April 2022 um 15:55:34 UTC+2:
    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russian President
    Vladimir Putin banned the acquisition of foreign software
    for critical information infrastructure

    There is also a first prototype of Vladimir Medinsky
    "patriotic Internet", Welcome to WINDOWS SOVIET☭ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ6c17SLB7E
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Montag, 28. Februar 2022 um 14:48:45 UTC+1:
    Why will security spending increase?

    Government of the Sverdlovsk Region has been breached.
    In real-time. Making use of a new vulnerability targeting Gitlab. https://twitter.com/AgainstTheWest_/status/1498275915985559564

    LoL

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to ju...@diegidio.name on Tue Apr 5 11:45:27 2022
    LoL, no more bella italy for culio?

    ju...@diegidio.name schrieb am Dienstag, 5. April 2022 um 17:50:50 UTC+2:
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 15:55:34 UTC+2, auto-Burse wrote:

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russian President
    Vladimir Putin banned the acquisition of foreign software
    for critical information infrastructure
    And rightly so, and of hardware: it's all just full of backdoors, don't ya know? As it's also true that typical western content and "globalisation", from food to culture passing by literally everything, is plain poison and brainwashing and so it's been
    systematically since just after WW2, to accompany the most atrocious real frauds and crimes against humanity: so they'd at least better use their own... Indeed, I for one am gonna escape from this insane and deadly, not to mention indecent and retarded,
    shithole as soon as I can.

    Fuck the UK, the US and the EU, from the act of fencing the land to the full scale global genocidal crimes, as if the crusades or the conquistadores hadn't done enough damage: concurrent to the systematic domestic cultivation of the shittiest, most
    ignorant and vilest people in the entire history of humanity: the true children of the Huns, where they pass not even grass grows anymore.

    Enough said.

    Julio

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Julio Di Egidio@21:1/5 to burs...@gmail.com on Wed Apr 6 08:11:40 2022
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:29 UTC+2, burs...@gmail.com wrote:

    LoL,

    Lough at your stupid ass.

    no more bella italy for culio?

    Ruined already, just as everywhere else: half of it sold out (guess who's been cashing in and who's been buying), and the rest is by now pretty much a poisoned dump, from the environment to the culture to everything else in between. And of course mine
    is voluntary exile -fuck you-, which is all we non-violent sane people at this point can do: vouch for you fucking morons to manage to kill yourself sooner than later, the only care meanwhile being to prevent you from dragging everybody and everything
    else down with you: which is the opposite of an easy feat of course.

    Sure, you keep going, this isn't about you...

    (EOD.)

    Julio

    ju...@diegidio.name schrieb am Dienstag, 5. April 2022 um 17:50:50 UTC+2:
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 15:55:34 UTC+2, auto-Burse wrote:

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russian President
    Vladimir Putin banned the acquisition of foreign software
    for critical information infrastructure
    And rightly so, and of hardware: it's all just full of backdoors, don't ya know? As it's also true that typical western content and "globalisation", from food to culture passing by literally everything, is plain poison and brainwashing and so it's
    been systematically since just after WW2, to accompany the most atrocious real frauds and crimes against humanity: so they'd at least better use their own... Indeed, I for one am gonna escape from this insane and deadly, not to mention indecent and
    retarded, shithole as soon as I can.

    Fuck the UK, the US and the EU, from the act of fencing the land to the full scale global genocidal crimes, as if the crusades or the conquistadores hadn't done enough damage: concurrent to the systematic domestic cultivation of the shittiest, most
    ignorant and vilest people in the entire history of humanity: the true children of the Huns, where they pass not even grass grows anymore.

    Enough said.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Wed Apr 6 08:28:02 2022
    But calling your own country a shithole as an
    excuse to escape, whereby you are only terrified
    by a possible nuclear war, is also a little unfair?

    Book recommendation:

    Nevil Shute - On the Beach (novel)
    On the Beach is a post-apocalyptic novel published in 1957,
    written by British author Nevil Shute after he emigrated to
    Australia. The novel details the experiences of a mixed
    group of people in Melbourne as they await the arrival
    of deadly radiation spreading towards them from the
    Northern Hemisphere, following a nuclear war the previous
    year. As the radiation approaches, each person deals
    with impending death differently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_%28novel%29

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Mittwoch, 6. April 2022 um 17:20:56 UTC+2:
    I have the medicin for you, just a take a big sip,
    and everything looks beautiful again.

    The Soviet „patriotic internet“ computer comes of
    course with a vodka bottle holder.

    How Vodka ruined Russia
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vK7l55ZOVIc
    ju...@diegidio.name schrieb am Mittwoch, 6. April 2022 um 17:11:41 UTC+2:
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:29 UTC+2, burs...@gmail.com wrote:

    LoL,

    Lough at your stupid ass.
    no more bella italy for culio?
    Ruined already, just as everywhere else: half of it sold out (guess who's been cashing in and who's been buying), and the rest is by now pretty much a poisoned dump, from the environment to the culture to everything else in between. And of course
    mine is voluntary exile -fuck you-, which is all we non-violent sane people at this point can do: vouch for you fucking morons to manage to kill yourself sooner than later, the only care meanwhile being to prevent you from dragging everybody and
    everything else down with you: which is the opposite of an easy feat of course.

    Sure, you keep going, this isn't about you...

    (EOD.)

    Julio
    ju...@diegidio.name schrieb am Dienstag, 5. April 2022 um 17:50:50 UTC+2:
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 15:55:34 UTC+2, auto-Burse wrote:

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russian President
    Vladimir Putin banned the acquisition of foreign software
    for critical information infrastructure
    And rightly so, and of hardware: it's all just full of backdoors, don't ya know? As it's also true that typical western content and "globalisation", from food to culture passing by literally everything, is plain poison and brainwashing and so it'
    s been systematically since just after WW2, to accompany the most atrocious real frauds and crimes against humanity: so they'd at least better use their own... Indeed, I for one am gonna escape from this insane and deadly, not to mention indecent and
    retarded, shithole as soon as I can.

    Fuck the UK, the US and the EU, from the act of fencing the land to the full scale global genocidal crimes, as if the crusades or the conquistadores hadn't done enough damage: concurrent to the systematic domestic cultivation of the shittiest,
    most ignorant and vilest people in the entire history of humanity: the true children of the Huns, where they pass not even grass grows anymore.

    Enough said.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Julio Di Egidio@21:1/5 to burs...@gmail.com on Wed Apr 6 08:28:52 2022
    On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 17:20:56 UTC+2, burs...@gmail.com wrote:
    I have the medicin for you, just a take a big sip,
    and everything looks beautiful again.

    The Soviet „patriotic internet“ computer comes of
    course with a vodka bottle holder.

    How Vodka ruined Russia

    How fucked up and full of shit you are you can't and won't guess...

    *Plonk*

    Julio

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to ju...@diegidio.name on Wed Apr 6 08:20:54 2022
    I have the medicin for you, just a take a big sip,
    and everything looks beautiful again.

    The Soviet „patriotic internet“ computer comes of
    course with a vodka bottle holder.

    How Vodka ruined Russia
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vK7l55ZOVIc

    ju...@diegidio.name schrieb am Mittwoch, 6. April 2022 um 17:11:41 UTC+2:
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 20:45:29 UTC+2, burs...@gmail.com wrote:

    LoL,

    Lough at your stupid ass.
    no more bella italy for culio?
    Ruined already, just as everywhere else: half of it sold out (guess who's been cashing in and who's been buying), and the rest is by now pretty much a poisoned dump, from the environment to the culture to everything else in between. And of course mine
    is voluntary exile -fuck you-, which is all we non-violent sane people at this point can do: vouch for you fucking morons to manage to kill yourself sooner than later, the only care meanwhile being to prevent you from dragging everybody and everything
    else down with you: which is the opposite of an easy feat of course.

    Sure, you keep going, this isn't about you...

    (EOD.)

    Julio
    ju...@diegidio.name schrieb am Dienstag, 5. April 2022 um 17:50:50 UTC+2:
    On Tuesday, 5 April 2022 at 15:55:34 UTC+2, auto-Burse wrote:

    MOSCOW, March 30. /TASS/. Russian President
    Vladimir Putin banned the acquisition of foreign software
    for critical information infrastructure
    And rightly so, and of hardware: it's all just full of backdoors, don't ya know? As it's also true that typical western content and "globalisation", from food to culture passing by literally everything, is plain poison and brainwashing and so it's
    been systematically since just after WW2, to accompany the most atrocious real frauds and crimes against humanity: so they'd at least better use their own... Indeed, I for one am gonna escape from this insane and deadly, not to mention indecent and
    retarded, shithole as soon as I can.

    Fuck the UK, the US and the EU, from the act of fencing the land to the full scale global genocidal crimes, as if the crusades or the conquistadores hadn't done enough damage: concurrent to the systematic domestic cultivation of the shittiest, most
    ignorant and vilest people in the entire history of humanity: the true children of the Huns, where they pass not even grass grows anymore.

    Enough said.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to ju...@diegidio.name on Fri Apr 15 06:37:25 2022
    Now it makes all sense why Vladimir Putin is so terrified.
    There is already a Nazi Yeti waiting for him in Tibet:

    Secret Nazi Expeditions: S1E4 «The Quest for the Holy Grail»
    (Super Channel 2022 CA) (ENG/SUB ENG)
    http://vk.com/video638900908_456239453

    ju...@diegidio.name schrieb am Mittwoch, 6. April 2022 um 17:28:53 UTC+2:
    On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 17:20:56 UTC+2, burs...@gmail.com wrote:
    I have the medicin for you, just a take a big sip,
    and everything looks beautiful again.

    The Soviet „patriotic internet“ computer comes of
    course with a vodka bottle holder.

    How Vodka ruined Russia
    How fucked up and full of shit you are you can't and won't guess...

    *Plonk*

    Julio

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 29 02:09:46 2022
    No wonder Logtalk is such a nonsense. This dickhead
    from Porto has no clue about mathematics.

    He even doesn't understand this fallacy:

    /* Not Provable */
    f e B^A => rng(f) = B

    José Carlos de Sousa Oliveira Santos
    https://www.fc.up.pt/mp/jcsantos/

    Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Apr 29 02:18:19 2022
    Its amazing that 100 years set theory, this goblet
    has surely passed this person, not only Dan Christensen.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 11:09:47 UTC+2:
    No wonder Logtalk is such a nonsense. This dickhead
    from Porto has no clue about mathematics.

    He even doesn't understand this fallacy:

    /* Not Provable */
    f e B^A => rng(f) = B

    José Carlos de Sousa Oliveira Santos
    https://www.fc.up.pt/mp/jcsantos/

    Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Apr 29 05:14:36 2022
    But I guess that trolling me has to do, that
    my answers was the only serious answers, and the
    remaining answers, I deleted my two answers,

    are troll answers, which will leave Dan Christensen
    totally in the dark. One answer circumewents introducing
    the function space concept of set theory,

    and balantly denies any relationship to set theory,
    the other answer jumps to Bourbaki, and then operates
    with F[X] i.e. not the absolute notion img(F),

    but some relative notion img(F|X). So here you have
    it stack exchange rather builds walls, than answers
    some questions, because they can do so.

    The people who know the matter possibly enjoy trolling
    stupid questions like those of Dan Christensen,
    so it will take another 30 years until he leaves

    his current local maximum of ignorance.

    But well he could read a book. Why does he need
    the cesspool of stack exchange? Thats of course his
    fault that he is unable to read a book.

    In as far well served stack exchange! Congratulations.

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 14:12:49 UTC+2:
    Shoenfield publish in 1960 bit I guess from 1950. So around
    70 years. But I am waiting for the moment that a ruSSian Nazi
    comes around the corner and declares set theory Nazi.

    Altreay the stack exchange Nazis cannot digest that
    the real valued function abs : R -> R nicely shows the
    difference between declared codomain and computed

    range. There are now comrades on the stack exchange,
    that deny the status of a fallacy to this here, possibly
    because they even don't know set exponentiation:

    /* Not Provable, Fallacy */
    f e B^A => rng(f) = B
    I made screenshots of the stack exchange nonsense...

    LoL

    The cesspool stack exchange only gives proof again of
    that this film is an exact prediction of our future. Stack
    exchange is full of bit rot and inapt to anything usueful.

    Idiocracy: Garbage Avalanche of 2505 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANBbXBp_gM
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 11:18:21 UTC+2:
    Its amazing that 100 years set theory, this goblet
    has surely passed this person, not only Dan Christensen.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 11:09:47 UTC+2:
    No wonder Logtalk is such a nonsense. This dickhead
    from Porto has no clue about mathematics.

    He even doesn't understand this fallacy:

    /* Not Provable */
    f e B^A => rng(f) = B

    José Carlos de Sousa Oliveira Santos
    https://www.fc.up.pt/mp/jcsantos/

    Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Apr 29 05:12:48 2022
    Shoenfield publish in 1960 bit I guess from 1950. So around
    70 years. But I am waiting for the moment that a ruSSian Nazi
    comes around the corner and declares set theory Nazi.

    Altreay the stack exchange Nazis cannot digest that
    the real valued function abs : R -> R nicely shows the
    difference between declared codomain and computed

    range. There are now comrades on the stack exchange,
    that deny the status of a fallacy to this here, possibly
    because they even don't know set exponentiation:

    /* Not Provable, Fallacy */
    f e B^A => rng(f) = B

    I made screenshots of the stack exchange nonsense...

    LoL

    The cesspool stack exchange only gives proof again of
    that this film is an exact prediction of our future. Stack
    exchange is full of bit rot and inapt to anything usueful.

    Idiocracy: Garbage Avalanche of 2505 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANBbXBp_gM

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 11:18:21 UTC+2:
    Its amazing that 100 years set theory, this goblet
    has surely passed this person, not only Dan Christensen.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 11:09:47 UTC+2:
    No wonder Logtalk is such a nonsense. This dickhead
    from Porto has no clue about mathematics.

    He even doesn't understand this fallacy:

    /* Not Provable */
    f e B^A => rng(f) = B

    José Carlos de Sousa Oliveira Santos
    https://www.fc.up.pt/mp/jcsantos/

    Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Apr 29 05:27:55 2022
    If you take into account the Peano apostroph,
    its definitively more than 100 years old stuff.
    Peano used the apostroph (1888?) in geometry to
    denote a shadow. But guess what:

    dom(f): The shadow of f on the x-axis
    img(f): The shadow of f on the y-axis
    (synonym to range rng(f))

    Now the modern homo stack exchangis (in the
    clade of home trollensis), when doing math, has
    totally lost its grounding of math for example in
    geometry, and has become a perverted anti-troller.

    So just avoid stack exchange, its a cesspool.

    Peano’s Logical Language and Grassmann’s Legacy https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-00326364/document

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 14:14:37 UTC+2:
    But I guess that trolling me has to do, that
    my answers was the only serious answers, and the
    remaining answers, I deleted my two answers,

    are troll answers, which will leave Dan Christensen
    totally in the dark. One answer circumewents introducing
    the function space concept of set theory,

    and balantly denies any relationship to set theory,
    the other answer jumps to Bourbaki, and then operates
    with F[X] i.e. not the absolute notion img(F),

    but some relative notion img(F|X). So here you have
    it stack exchange rather builds walls, than answers
    some questions, because they can do so.

    The people who know the matter possibly enjoy trolling
    stupid questions like those of Dan Christensen,
    so it will take another 30 years until he leaves

    his current local maximum of ignorance.

    But well he could read a book. Why does he need
    the cesspool of stack exchange? Thats of course his
    fault that he is unable to read a book.

    In as far well served stack exchange! Congratulations.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 14:12:49 UTC+2:
    Shoenfield publish in 1960 bit I guess from 1950. So around
    70 years. But I am waiting for the moment that a ruSSian Nazi
    comes around the corner and declares set theory Nazi.

    Altreay the stack exchange Nazis cannot digest that
    the real valued function abs : R -> R nicely shows the
    difference between declared codomain and computed

    range. There are now comrades on the stack exchange,
    that deny the status of a fallacy to this here, possibly
    because they even don't know set exponentiation:

    /* Not Provable, Fallacy */
    f e B^A => rng(f) = B
    I made screenshots of the stack exchange nonsense...

    LoL

    The cesspool stack exchange only gives proof again of
    that this film is an exact prediction of our future. Stack
    exchange is full of bit rot and inapt to anything usueful.

    Idiocracy: Garbage Avalanche of 2505 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANBbXBp_gM
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 11:18:21 UTC+2:
    Its amazing that 100 years set theory, this goblet
    has surely passed this person, not only Dan Christensen.
    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 11:09:47 UTC+2:
    No wonder Logtalk is such a nonsense. This dickhead
    from Porto has no clue about mathematics.

    He even doesn't understand this fallacy:

    /* Not Provable */
    f e B^A => rng(f) = B

    José Carlos de Sousa Oliveira Santos https://www.fc.up.pt/mp/jcsantos/

    Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to Mostowski Collapse on Fri Apr 29 09:27:17 2022
    But this is a much too benevolent interpretation,
    possibly José Carlos Santos is just a pervert, that
    saw somebody with 101 points and started a fight.

    LoL

    Mostowski Collapse schrieb am Freitag, 29. April 2022 um 18:25:31 UTC+2:
    Social science researchers call this the SIQQ effect,
    social IQ degradation effect. So when mathematics
    act as a pack of wolf, they all eject their brains.
    A little bit related to the Zollman Effect:

    Our conjecture is that the cycle will prove most
    reliable. A doctor who gets an unlucky string of
    misleading results will do the least damage there. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/formal-epistemology/#TheZolEff

    So we had just proof of the Zollman Effect.
    So José Carlos Santos had an unlucky string
    of misleading results, but because he had a
    plenum available, with loyal nutheads just like

    Xander Henderson and Arturo Magidin everthing
    went down the drain. LoL

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  • From Mostowski Collapse@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 29 09:25:30 2022
    Social science researchers call this the SIQQ effect,
    social IQ degradation effect. So when mathematics
    act as a pack of wolf, they all eject their brains.
    A little bit related to the Zollman Effect:

    Our conjecture is that the cycle will prove most
    reliable. A doctor who gets an unlucky string of
    misleading results will do the least damage there. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/formal-epistemology/#TheZolEff

    So we had just proof of the Zollman Effect.
    So José Carlos Santos had an unlucky string
    of misleading results, but because he had a
    plenum available, with loyal nutheads just like

    Xander Henderson and Arturo Magidin everthing
    went down the drain. LoL

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