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  • Compiling Multics PL/I Compiler using the Prime PL/I Compiler

    From Daiyu Hurst@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 13 10:12:24 2021
    Just tossing this out there. If I did already, let me know; I've had a stroke, and there are definitely some parity errors.

    Most of the Multics PL/I compiler will compile on Primos using the Prime PL/I (full language) compiler. I'm not terribly surprised by this, since I think Bob Freiburghouse was behind both of them.

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  • From Robin Vowels@21:1/5 to daiyu...@gmail.com on Tue Jul 13 10:30:06 2021
    On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+10, daiyu...@gmail.com wrote:
    Just tossing this out there. If I did already, let me know; I've had a stroke, and there are definitely some parity errors.

    Most of the Multics PL/I compiler will compile on Primos using the Prime PL/I (full language) compiler. I'm not terribly surprised by this, since I think Bob Freiburghouse was behind both of them.
    .
    Are you saying that the Pr1me PL/I compiler is available somewhere?

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  • From Daiyu Hurst@21:1/5 to Robin Vowels on Sun Aug 29 21:01:12 2021
    On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:30:07 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    Just tossing this out there. If I did already, let me know; I've had a stroke, and there are definitely some parity errors.

    Most of the Multics PL/I compiler will compile on Primos using the Prime PL/I (full language) compiler. I'm not terribly surprised by this, since I think Bob Freiburghouse was behind both of them.
    .
    Are you saying that the Pr1me PL/I compiler is available somewhere?

    Yes, under Primos, Revs 19 through 24. I usually run it on Rev23.

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  • From Robin Vowels@21:1/5 to daiyu...@gmail.com on Mon Aug 30 09:55:13 2021
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:01:13 PM UTC+10, daiyu...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:30:07 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    Just tossing this out there. If I did already, let me know; I've had a stroke, and there are definitely some parity errors.

    Most of the Multics PL/I compiler will compile on Primos using the Prime PL/I (full language) compiler. I'm not terribly surprised by this, since I think Bob Freiburghouse was behind both of them.
    .
    Are you saying that the Pr1me PL/I compiler is available somewhere?
    Yes, under Primos, Revs 19 through 24. I usually run it on Rev23.
    .
    Thanks.
    .
    You have a Pr1me system, or have access to one?
    Or you are running an emulator for PRIMOS?

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  • From Daiyu Hurst@21:1/5 to Robin Vowels on Fri Sep 3 20:37:46 2021
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:55:14 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:01:13 PM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:30:07 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    Just tossing this out there. If I did already, let me know; I've had a stroke, and there are definitely some parity errors.

    Most of the Multics PL/I compiler will compile on Primos using the Prime PL/I (full language) compiler. I'm not terribly surprised by this, since I think Bob Freiburghouse was behind both of them.
    .
    Are you saying that the Pr1me PL/I compiler is available somewhere?
    Yes, under Primos, Revs 19 through 24. I usually run it on Rev23.
    .
    Thanks.
    .
    You have a Pr1me system, or have access to one?
    Or you are running an emulator for PRIMOS?
    I had a 2455, but I'm pretty sure it ended up in a landfill after the bank took my home from me.

    But my drivers got imaged first, and yes, there is an emulator for the 50-Series Prime machines.

    You can get it here:
    https://github.com/prirun/p50em

    A package of demo systems, from Rev18 through Rev24, is also available, link(s) are on that page.

    The Rev20 and Rev23.4.Y2K were from my system. One of the Rev19 systems was from Los Angeles Valley College, courtesy of a friend of mine. Another friend provided the Rev 22 system, and I had a partial source tree for Rev18 that seems to be working now,
    but I haven't been able to get that to build, though the demo binary works.

    So anyway, I still don't know which way would be the best way to go: build a 50-Series code generator backend for the Multics PL/I compiler and run it on Multics as a cross-compiler, or port it directly to compile and build on the Prime using the Prime
    compiler.

    A third goal would be to get it to build under IBM PL/I for Windows; didn't I read in old posts, that you have this, too?

    5724-B67 IBM(R) PL/I for Windows 6.0 (Built:20060113) 2014.02.04 01:14:21 Page 1


    Options Specified

    Environment: EXIT

    Command: e:pl1_error_print.pl1 (margins(1 200) EXIT DFT(RETURNS(BYADDR))
    source stmt list nest attributes(full) xref aggregate limits(fixedbin(31,63)
    fixeddec(15,31))

    5724-B67 IBM(R) PL/I for Windows * *********************** 2014.02.04 01:14:21 Page 2

    Compiler Source

    Line.File Stmt LV NT

    1.0 /* ***********************************************************
    2.0 * *
    3.0 * Copyright, (C) Honeywell Information Systems Inc., 1982 *
    4.0 * *
    5.0 * Copyright (c) 1972 by Massachusetts Institute of *
    6.0 * Technology and Honeywell Information Systems, Inc. *
    7.0 * *
    8.0 *********************************************************** */
    9.0
    10.0
    11.0 /* Print PL/I error messages.
    12.0
    13.0 Initial Version: 14 June, 1968 by BLW
    14.0 Modified: 30 July 1969 by JDM for pl1
    15.0 Modified: 10 January 1970 by CTC for new error message format
    16.0 Rewritten: 17 August 1970 by P. Green for Version II
    17.0 Modified: 16 January 1971 by BLW to print text of bad statement
    18.0 Modified: 13 February 1977 by RAB to fix 1577
    19.0 Modified: 770712 by PG to add pl1_severity_
    20.0 Modified 771020 by PG to fix 1677
    21.0 Modified 780807 by PG to permit char(256) tokens to be substituted for '$'.
    22.0 Modified 23 October 1980 by M. N. Davidoff to fix 1977, an unitialized variable causes tokens to be quoted when
    23.0 they shouldn't be.
    24.0 */
    25.0 /* format: style3 */
    26.0 1 pl1_error_print:
    27.0 procedure;

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  • From Daiyu Hurst@21:1/5 to Daiyu Hurst on Fri Sep 3 21:19:21 2021
    On Friday, September 3, 2021 at 11:37:47 PM UTC-4, Daiyu Hurst wrote:
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:55:14 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:01:13 PM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:30:07 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    Just tossing this out there. If I did already, let me know; I've had a stroke, and there are definitely some parity errors.

    It occurs to me, I should just cast bread on the waters:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/a7ht8nvbbusd57i/mxPL1.zip?dl=0

    If you want this as a Primos MAGSAV tape image, let me know, and I'll cook that up for you. Don't waste a lot of time uploading each file to Primos.

    -Dai

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  • From Peter Flass@21:1/5 to Daiyu Hurst on Sat Sep 4 16:48:28 2021
    Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:55:14 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:01:13 PM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:30:07 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    Just tossing this out there. If I did already, let me know; I've had >>>>> a stroke, and there are definitely some parity errors.

    Most of the Multics PL/I compiler will compile on Primos using the
    Prime PL/I (full language) compiler. I'm not terribly surprised by
    this, since I think Bob Freiburghouse was behind both of them.
    .
    Are you saying that the Pr1me PL/I compiler is available somewhere?
    Yes, under Primos, Revs 19 through 24. I usually run it on Rev23.
    .
    Thanks.
    .
    You have a Pr1me system, or have access to one?
    Or you are running an emulator for PRIMOS?
    I had a 2455, but I'm pretty sure it ended up in a landfill after the
    bank took my home from me.

    But my drivers got imaged first, and yes, there is an emulator for the 50-Series Prime machines.

    You can get it here:
    https://github.com/prirun/p50em

    A package of demo systems, from Rev18 through Rev24, is also available, link(s) are on that page.

    The Rev20 and Rev23.4.Y2K were from my system. One of the Rev19 systems
    was from Los Angeles Valley College, courtesy of a friend of mine.
    Another friend provided the Rev 22 system, and I had a partial source
    tree for Rev18 that seems to be working now, but I haven't been able to
    get that to build, though the demo binary works.

    So anyway, I still don't know which way would be the best way to go:
    build a 50-Series code generator backend for the Multics PL/I compiler
    and run it on Multics as a cross-compiler, or port it directly to compile
    and build on the Prime using the Prime compiler.

    A third goal would be to get it to build under IBM PL/I for Windows;
    didn't I read in old posts, that you have this, too?

    5724-B67 IBM(R) PL/I for Windows 6.0 (Built:20060113)
    2014.02.04 01:14:21 Page 1


    Options Specified

    Environment: EXIT

    Command: e:pl1_error_print.pl1 (margins(1 200) EXIT DFT(RETURNS(BYADDR))
    source stmt list nest attributes(full) xref aggregate limits(fixedbin(31,63)
    fixeddec(15,31))

    5724-B67 IBM(R) PL/I for Windows * ***********************
    2014.02.04 01:14:21 Page 2

    Compiler Source

    Line.File Stmt LV NT

    1.0 /* ***********************************************************
    2.0 * *
    3.0 * Copyright, (C) Honeywell Information Systems Inc., 1982 *
    4.0 * *
    5.0 * Copyright (c) 1972 by Massachusetts Institute of *
    6.0 * Technology and Honeywell Information Systems, Inc. *
    7.0 * *
    8.0
    *********************************************************** */
    9.0
    10.0
    11.0 /* Print PL/I error messages.
    12.0
    13.0 Initial Version: 14 June, 1968 by BLW
    14.0 Modified: 30 July 1969 by JDM for pl1
    15.0 Modified: 10 January 1970 by
    CTC for new error message format
    16.0 Rewritten: 17 August 1970 by P. Green for Version II
    17.0 Modified: 16 January 1971 by BLW to print text of bad statement
    18.0 Modified: 13 February 1977 by RAB to fix 1577
    19.0 Modified: 770712 by PG to add pl1_severity_
    20.0 Modified 771020 by PG to fix 1677
    21.0 Modified 780807 by PG to permit char(256) tokens to be substituted for '$'.
    22.0 Modified 23 October 1980 by M. N. Davidoff to fix 1977, an unitialized variable causes tokens to be quoted when
    23.0 they shouldn't be.
    24.0 */
    25.0 /* format: style3 */
    26.0 1 pl1_error_print:
    27.0 procedure;


    A major problem is the 36-bit word length. I’m playing around trying to compile Multics stuff with Iron Spring PL/I, but I can’t imaging getting anywhere without massive source changes.

    --
    Pete

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  • From Daiyu Hurst@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 4 16:55:41 2021
    On Saturday, September 4, 2021 at 7:48:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:
    Daiyu Hurst wrote:
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 12:55:14 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:01:13 PM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:30:07 PM UTC-4, Robin Vowels wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 3:12:25 AM UTC+10, daiyu wrote:
    Just tossing this out there. If I did already, let me know; I've had >>>>> a stroke, and there are definitely some parity errors.

    Most of the Multics PL/I compiler will compile on Primos using the >>>>> Prime PL/I (full language) compiler. I'm not terribly surprised by >>>>> this, since I think Bob Freiburghouse was behind both of them.
    .
    Are you saying that the Pr1me PL/I compiler is available somewhere?
    ..snip..
    A major problem is the 36-bit word length. I’m playing around trying to compile Multics stuff with Iron Spring PL/I, but I can’t imaging getting anywhere without massive source changes.

    It's NEVER as easy as simply re-compiling. But even trying to get it to compile on the IBM compiler as well as I have on the Prime compiler is like a night and day difference. What a picky compiler! But the IBM compiler does produce binaries that run on
    Windows 10. So it's compelling to attempt.

    -Dai

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  • From Markus Loew@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 2 04:52:35 2021
    Two Questions:

    1st Where can I get the PL/I source text, you are speaking about, you are trying to compile ?

    2nd How can I make work " ./em.linux-i386 "

    archives@archives-X71Sr:~/Desktop/collect/embinaries$ ll
    total 1020
    drwxr-xr-x 4 archives archives 4096 oct. 2 13:29 ./
    drwxrwxr-x 18 archives archives 4096 sept. 19 06:39 ../
    -rw-r--r-- 1 archives archives 742 mai 6 2020 00README
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 archives archives 0 oct. 2 13:31 console.log
    drwxr-xr-x 2 archives archives 4096 mai 6 2020 embinaries/
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 224248 mai 5 2020 em.freebsd-amd64* -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 195088 mai 5 2020 em.linux-amd64* -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 189112 mai 6 2020 em.linux-armhf* -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 196324 mai 5 2020 em.linux-i386*
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 205736 mai 5 2020 em.solaris-amd64* -rw-r--r-- 1 archives archives 297 oct. 2 13:31 error.log
    -rw-r--r-- 1 archives archives 0 sept. 2 05:23 .lock
    drwxr-xr-x 2 archives archives 4096 sept. 2 05:36 m2214repack/

    archives@archives-X71Sr:~/Desktop/collect/embinaries$ ./em.linux-i386
    [Prime Emulator ver ebf5511 May 5 2020]
    [Copyright (C) 2005-2019 Jim Wilcoxson prirun@gmail.com]
    Can't find disk boot device file disk26u0.*, or multiple files match this device.
    To boot from tape (mt0), use -boot 10005
    Fatal error
    instruction #0 at 0/0 ^000000^
    A='0/0 B='0/0 L='0/0 X='0/0 K=0 [16SF000/0 ]
    owner=0 , modals=0 [I0N]
    Check error.log for more information

    archives@archives-X71Sr:~/Desktop/collect/embinaries$

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  • From Markus Loew@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 9 03:17:00 2021
    Le samedi 2 octobre 2021 à 13:52:36 UTC+2, Markus Loew a écrit :
    Two Questions:

    1st Where can I get the PL/I source text, you are speaking about, you are trying to compile ?

    2nd How can I make work " ./em.linux-i386 "

    archives@archives-X71Sr:~/Desktop/collect/embinaries$ ll
    total 1020
    drwxr-xr-x 4 archives archives 4096 oct. 2 13:29 ./
    drwxrwxr-x 18 archives archives 4096 sept. 19 06:39 ../
    -rw-r--r-- 1 archives archives 742 mai 6 2020 00README
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 archives archives 0 oct. 2 13:31 console.log
    drwxr-xr-x 2 archives archives 4096 mai 6 2020 embinaries/
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 224248 mai 5 2020 em.freebsd-amd64* -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 195088 mai 5 2020 em.linux-amd64*
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 189112 mai 6 2020 em.linux-armhf*
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 196324 mai 5 2020 em.linux-i386*
    -rwxr-xr-x 1 archives archives 205736 mai 5 2020 em.solaris-amd64* -rw-r--r-- 1 archives archives 297 oct. 2 13:31 error.log
    -rw-r--r-- 1 archives archives 0 sept. 2 05:23 .lock
    drwxr-xr-x 2 archives archives 4096 sept. 2 05:36 m2214repack/

    archives@archives-X71Sr:~/Desktop/collect/embinaries$ ./em.linux-i386
    [Prime Emulator ver ebf5511 May 5 2020]
    [Copyright (C) 2005-2019 Jim Wilcoxson pri...@gmail.com]
    Can't find disk boot device file disk26u0.*, or multiple files match this device.
    To boot from tape (mt0), use -boot 10005
    Fatal error
    instruction #0 at 0/0 ^000000^
    A='0/0 B='0/0 L='0/0 X='0/0 K=0 [16SF000/0 ]
    owner=0 , modals=0 [I0N]
    Check error.log for more information

    archives@archives-X71Sr:~/Desktop/collect/embinaries$
    Is there a hope to get an answer ?

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