• Is the Newest Clarion "Ready?"

    From Dave Schwartz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 26 07:03:09 2019
    I went away from Clarion after v7. Because I still have C6 and C55 apps, I am considering coming back.

    Looking for conversation about how to best do that, is it viable, etc.

    Anything you can add would be much appreciated.

    Regards,
    Dave Schwartz

    PS: Are there any other groups for Clarion?

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  • From Sean H@21:1/5 to Dave Schwartz on Mon Jul 1 10:53:17 2019
    On 27/6/19 12:03 am, Dave Schwartz wrote:
    I went away from Clarion after v7. Because I still have C6 and C55 apps, I am considering coming back.

    Looking for conversation about how to best do that, is it viable, etc.

    Anything you can add would be much appreciated.

    Regards,
    Dave Schwartz

    PS: Are there any other groups for Clarion?


    Clarion 11 is well and truly OK and stable and a far different animal
    from C7

    There's a heap of groups at news.softvelocity.com

    Also have a look at www.clarionhub.com

    Also www.clarionlive.com


    Sean H

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  • From Dave Schwartz@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 30 18:41:29 2019
    Sean,

    Thank you for the response. A couple more questions...

    1. Is the underlying programming language still the same?
    ABC?
    Legacy?

    2. Have they worked through the bugginess in the IDE?
    Remember that I've not tried it since v7.

    3. My litmus test for Clarion has always been, "Can I take the tutorial and have it work?"
    My limited experience with 7, as well as all the previous versions was that "gold" was deserving of "bronze" because there were so many workarounds that had to be discovered.







    Clarion 11 is well and truly OK and stable and a far different animal
    from C7

    There's a heap of groups at news.softvelocity.com

    Also have a look at www.clarionhub.com

    Also www.clarionlive.com


    Sean H

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  • From Sean H@21:1/5 to Dave Schwartz on Wed Jul 3 21:34:56 2019
    On 1/7/19 11:41 am, Dave Schwartz wrote:
    Sean,

    Thank you for the response. A couple more questions...

    1. Is the underlying programming language still the same?
    ABC?
    Legacy?

    Yes. Both supported


    2. Have they worked through the bugginess in the IDE?
    Remember that I've not tried it since v7.

    C7 was your basic pile of poo. It was the C3(DOS) of the modern era. It
    was certainly a huge step forward, but it was a muddy step on rocky
    ground in a dark place.
    The iterations since then have improved steadily. C8 was usable and what
    7 should really have been, C9 really usable, C11 still has the odd wart,
    but it makes going back to anything else seem a step back.

    Since 7 it has improved a LOT. I don't like going back any more.
    Particularly because I use 2 screens now. Not something <7 supported

    3. My litmus test for Clarion has always been, "Can I take the tutorial and have it work?"
    My limited experience with 7, as well as all the previous versions was that "gold" was deserving of "bronze" because there were so many workarounds that had to be discovered.

    I think I answered this above. But I won't argue with your assessment of
    gold.


    Sean H








    Clarion 11 is well and truly OK and stable and a far different animal
    from C7

    There's a heap of groups at news.softvelocity.com

    Also have a look at www.clarionhub.com

    Also www.clarionlive.com


    Sean H


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  • From Dave Schwartz@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 3 06:17:51 2019
    Excellent response. Thank you.

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  • From Paul Attryde@21:1/5 to Sean H on Wed Jul 3 15:40:32 2019
    LOL, and there's me plugging along with C6 :)

    It does look like C9 finally added unicode support, but for the few
    instances I need it I'll manage on my own.

    Paul

    On 2019-07-03 07:34 AM, Sean H wrote:
    On 1/7/19 11:41 am, Dave Schwartz wrote:
    Sean,

    Thank you for the response. A couple more questions...

    1. Is the underlying programming language still the same?
    ABC?
    Legacy?

    Yes.  Both supported


    2. Have they worked through the bugginess in the IDE?
    Remember that I've not tried it since v7.

    C7 was your basic pile of poo. It was the C3(DOS) of the modern era.  It
    was certainly a huge step forward, but it was a muddy step on rocky
    ground in a dark place.
    The iterations since then have improved steadily. C8 was usable and what
    7 should really have been, C9 really usable, C11 still has the odd wart,
    but it makes going back to anything else seem a step back.

    Since 7 it has improved a LOT. I don't like going back any more.
    Particularly because I use 2 screens now. Not something <7 supported

    3. My litmus test for Clarion has always been, "Can I take the
    tutorial and have it work?"
    My limited experience with 7, as well as all the previous versions was
    that "gold" was deserving of "bronze" because there were so many
    workarounds that had to be discovered.

    I think I answered this above. But I won't argue with your assessment of gold.


    Sean H








    Clarion 11 is well and truly OK and stable and a far different animal
    from C7

    There's a heap of groups at news.softvelocity.com

    Also have a look at www.clarionhub.com

    Also www.clarionlive.com


    Sean H



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  • From Sean H@21:1/5 to Paul Attryde on Thu Jul 4 18:24:58 2019
    Arrg!!
    I occasionally have to go back to C6 and it REALLY shows its age now.
    There are a very very few things it had that I would like in C11. But
    the additions in the IDE MORE than make up for it. The ability to
    copy-paste just about anything is a huge boon for example. The extra
    wide template window are magic.

    It takes a little getting use to, but is WAY more productive.

    You'd have to pay me over the odds to go back.


    Sean H



    On 4/7/19 5:40 am, Paul Attryde wrote:

    LOL, and there's me plugging along with C6 :)

    It does look like C9 finally added unicode support, but for the few
    instances I need it I'll manage on my own.

    Paul

    On 2019-07-03 07:34 AM, Sean H wrote:
    On 1/7/19 11:41 am, Dave Schwartz wrote:
    Sean,

    Thank you for the response. A couple more questions...

    1. Is the underlying programming language still the same?
    ABC?
    Legacy?

    Yes.  Both supported


    2. Have they worked through the bugginess in the IDE?
    Remember that I've not tried it since v7.

    C7 was your basic pile of poo. It was the C3(DOS) of the modern era.
    It was certainly a huge step forward, but it was a muddy step on rocky
    ground in a dark place.
    The iterations since then have improved steadily. C8 was usable and
    what 7 should really have been, C9 really usable, C11 still has the
    odd wart, but it makes going back to anything else seem a step back.

    Since 7 it has improved a LOT. I don't like going back any more.
    Particularly because I use 2 screens now. Not something <7 supported

    3. My litmus test for Clarion has always been, "Can I take the
    tutorial and have it work?"
    My limited experience with 7, as well as all the previous versions
    was that "gold" was deserving of "bronze" because there were so many
    workarounds that had to be discovered.

    I think I answered this above. But I won't argue with your assessment
    of gold.


    Sean H








    Clarion 11 is well and truly OK and stable and a far different animal
    from C7

    There's a heap of groups at news.softvelocity.com

    Also have a look at www.clarionhub.com

    Also www.clarionlive.com


    Sean H




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  • From Paul Attryde@21:1/5 to Sean H on Thu Jul 4 07:45:33 2019
    The IDE is the least of my problems :)
    I haven't written anything that uses a dictionary or a template in 10
    years, since everything I do is hand code at this point I can't think of
    a compelling reason for me to upgrade.

    Paul

    On 2019-07-04 04:24 AM, Sean H wrote:
    Arrg!!
    I occasionally have to go back to C6 and it REALLY shows its age now.
    There are a very very few things it had that I would like in C11. But
    the additions in the IDE MORE than make up for it.  The ability to copy-paste just about anything is a huge boon for example. The extra
    wide template window are magic.

    It takes a little getting use to, but is WAY more productive.

    You'd have to pay me over the odds to go back.


    Sean H



    On 4/7/19 5:40 am, Paul Attryde wrote:

    LOL, and there's me plugging along with C6 :)

    It does look like C9 finally added unicode support, but for the few
    instances I need it I'll manage on my own.

    Paul

    On 2019-07-03 07:34 AM, Sean H wrote:
    On 1/7/19 11:41 am, Dave Schwartz wrote:
    Sean,

    Thank you for the response. A couple more questions...

    1. Is the underlying programming language still the same?
    ABC?
    Legacy?

    Yes.  Both supported


    2. Have they worked through the bugginess in the IDE?
    Remember that I've not tried it since v7.

    C7 was your basic pile of poo. It was the C3(DOS) of the modern era.
    It was certainly a huge step forward, but it was a muddy step on
    rocky ground in a dark place.
    The iterations since then have improved steadily. C8 was usable and
    what 7 should really have been, C9 really usable, C11 still has the
    odd wart, but it makes going back to anything else seem a step back.

    Since 7 it has improved a LOT. I don't like going back any more.
    Particularly because I use 2 screens now. Not something <7 supported

    3. My litmus test for Clarion has always been, "Can I take the
    tutorial and have it work?"
    My limited experience with 7, as well as all the previous versions
    was that "gold" was deserving of "bronze" because there were so many
    workarounds that had to be discovered.

    I think I answered this above. But I won't argue with your assessment
    of gold.


    Sean H








    Clarion 11 is well and truly OK and stable and a far different animal >>>>> from C7

    There's a heap of groups at news.softvelocity.com

    Also have a look at www.clarionhub.com

    Also www.clarionlive.com


    Sean H





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