With the beginning of a new year and very little happening on the
Migration front during the last one, I decided to knock down the PRIMA
site and move to some other things I have been thinking about.
I'm not happy with the information I can get from Google analytics so
I decided to write my own web traffic analysis for https://primacomputing.co.nz
I was seriously underestimating traffic to the site and not even
bothering to check the overall visits. Last time I looked it was
around 20,000 hits; today it is 61014 with 250 hits in the last 4
days... I usually expect about 15 hits a day, so this is very
interesting. I have no idea why there has been a surge; I haven't DONE anything. Maybe Covid lockdown has got people bored and they are
visiting sites that they normally wouldn't... :-)
The old (legacy) COBOL is automatically transformed into OO COBOL and
the new Classes can run as objects for other languages if required. 100% >salvage of legacy code is guaranteed and it can be automatically
refactored into objects that will require minimum maintenance, (so the
impact of decreasing COBOL skill availability is lessened).
In article <i5pv77FbpiU1@mid.individual.net>,
pete dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
[snip]
The old (legacy) COBOL is automatically transformed into OO COBOL and
the new Classes can run as objects for other languages if required.
100% salvage of legacy code is guaranteed and it can be automatically
refactored into objects that will require minimum maintenance, (so
the impact of decreasing COBOL skill availability is lessened).
Has anyone beside me had the joy of sitting in on conference-calls for
'lift and shift' and having to explain what match/merge processing
is?
'It is to people who understand the necessity of time and education.'
.... and it goes downhill from there... but what do I know, I was only
doing this - and more! - before their parents met.
In article <i5pv77FbpiU1@mid.individual.net>,
pete dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
[snip]
The old (legacy) COBOL is automatically transformed into OO COBOL and
the new Classes can run as objects for other languages if required. 100%
salvage of legacy code is guaranteed and it can be automatically
refactored into objects that will require minimum maintenance, (so the
impact of decreasing COBOL skill availability is lessened).
Has anyone beside me had the joy of sitting in on conference-calls for
'lift and shift' and having to explain what match/merge processing is?
'Why didn't they use SQL?'
'It wasn't widely available then.'
'So where do I find a description of the table?'
'There aren't any tables. It's all done with files.'
'So how do you get the name and address for an employee-number?'
'In this application it's done by match/merge procesing.'
'You need to be more specific.'
'The concepts are fairly simple but it usually takes a week or two to get comfortable with the concepts.'
'We don't have that much time.'
'Your schedule isn't my responsibility.'
'So... how are you going to help us?'
'By suggesting you learn more, first, and then ask questions.'
'That's not very helpful.'
'It is to people who understand the necessity of time and education.'
... and it goes downhill from there... but what do I know, I was only
doing this - and more! - before their parents met.
DD
Hello pete!
Friday January 08 2021 02:43, pete dashwood wrote to All:
> With the beginning of a new year and very little happening on the
> Migration front during the last one, I decided to knock down the PRIMA
> site and move to some other things I have been thinking about.
> I'm not happy with the information I can get from Google analytics so
> I decided to write my own web traffic analysis for
> https://primacomputing.co.nz
.....
> I was seriously underestimating traffic to the site and not even
> bothering to check the overall visits. Last time I looked it was
> around 20,000 hits; today it is 61014 with 250 hits in the last 4
> days... I usually expect about 15 hits a day, so this is very
> interesting. I have no idea why there has been a surge; I haven't DONE
> anything. Maybe Covid lockdown has got people bored and they are
> visiting sites that they normally wouldn't... :-)
If you look at the logs you may well find it is search engines taking a
look at site content. I get it on a regular basis although I have reduced
it as now using robots.txt at various points traffic has reduced for the one's doing it hourly.
Vincent
On 9/01/2021 07:11, docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
In article <i5pv77FbpiU1@mid.individual.net>,Thanks Doc,
pete dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
[snip]
The old (legacy) COBOL is automatically transformed into OO COBOL and
the new Classes can run as objects for other languages if required. 100% >>> salvage of legacy code is guaranteed and it can be automatically
refactored into objects that will require minimum maintenance, (so the
impact of decreasing COBOL skill availability is lessened).
Has anyone beside me had the joy of sitting in on conference-calls for
'lift and shift' and having to explain what match/merge processing is?
'Why didn't they use SQL?'
'It wasn't widely available then.'
'So where do I find a description of the table?'
'There aren't any tables. It's all done with files.'
'So how do you get the name and address for an employee-number?'
'In this application it's done by match/merge procesing.'
'You need to be more specific.'
'The concepts are fairly simple but it usually takes a week or two to get
comfortable with the concepts.'
'We don't have that much time.'
'Your schedule isn't my responsibility.'
'So... how are you going to help us?'
'By suggesting you learn more, first, and then ask questions.'
'That's not very helpful.'
'It is to people who understand the necessity of time and education.'
... and it goes downhill from there... but what do I know, I was only
doing this - and more! - before their parents met.
DD
I enjoyed the transcript... :-)
I've encountered similar lack of understanding when they want to move to
RDB.
They don't understand the new technology and they either don't have the
time or inclination to learn about it, but they want it.
Gently ask them why they want it and the response is usually that their competitors have it or "everybody knows" RDB is "better" than flat
files. (It isn't always, of course, and there have been a few rare
occasions where we deliberately did not migrate certain files during a
large migration.)
Basically people don't like change and resist it vehemently. But they
don't like being seeing to be archaic either, so they want the latest.
On 1/8/21 5:58 PM, pete dashwood wrote:ROFL!
On 9/01/2021 07:11, docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
In article <i5pv77FbpiU1@mid.individual.net>,Thanks Doc,
pete dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
[snip]
The old (legacy) COBOL is automatically transformed into OO COBOL and
the new Classes can run as objects for other languages if required.
100%
salvage of legacy code is guaranteed and it can be automatically
refactored into objects that will require minimum maintenance, (so the >>>> impact of decreasing COBOL skill availability is lessened).
Has anyone beside me had the joy of sitting in on conference-calls for
'lift and shift' and having to explain what match/merge processing is?
'Why didn't they use SQL?'
'It wasn't widely available then.'
'So where do I find a description of the table?'
'There aren't any tables. It's all done with files.'
'So how do you get the name and address for an employee-number?'
'In this application it's done by match/merge procesing.'
'You need to be more specific.'
'The concepts are fairly simple but it usually takes a week or two to
get
comfortable with the concepts.'
'We don't have that much time.'
'Your schedule isn't my responsibility.'
'So... how are you going to help us?'
'By suggesting you learn more, first, and then ask questions.'
'That's not very helpful.'
'It is to people who understand the necessity of time and education.'
... and it goes downhill from there... but what do I know, I was only
doing this - and more! - before their parents met.
DD
I enjoyed the transcript... :-)
I've encountered similar lack of understanding when they want to move
to RDB.
They don't understand the new technology and they either don't have
the time or inclination to learn about it, but they want it.
Gently ask them why they want it and the response is usually that
their competitors have it or "everybody knows" RDB is "better" than
flat files. (It isn't always, of course, and there have been a few
rare occasions where we deliberately did not migrate certain files
during a large migration.)
Basically people don't like change and resist it vehemently. But they
don't like being seeing to be archaic either, so they want the latest.
This looks like a good place to throw in one of my (many) examples
along this line.
I was hired to maintain and make updates to some COBOL programs.
After the updates were caught up I had some time to actually look
thru some of the other COBOL programs.
Realize, this place was really proud of the project that had moved
them from flat files to a real database. They thought the people
who had done all this walked on water.
Imagine my surprise when I found a couple of the programs modifications consisted of reading the database, writing the data to a flat file and
then using the previous code to process the flat file. My peers there
used to wonder why I spent so much time laughing in my cubicle.
And we won't even go into what happens when all your calculations are
done using unsigned intermediate variables.
bill
Hello docdwarf!
Friday January 08 2021 18:11, you wrote to All:
'It is to people who understand the necessity of time and education.'
.... and it goes downhill from there... but what do I know, I was only
doing this - and more! - before their parents met.
This is the generation of the university education that was never geared
for the 'real' world.
It hasn't change since the 70's and when going fo the odd interview in the >80's got the odd - 'so why have you NOT got a degree.
Despite my CV showing I was in at the sharp end from 1963 full time and 61 >PT.
In article <1610140426@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.ftn>,
Vincent Coen <VBCoen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello docdwarf!
Friday January 08 2021 18:11, you wrote to All:
[snip]
'It is to people who understand the necessity of time and education.'
.... and it goes downhill from there... but what do I know, I was only
doing this - and more! - before their parents met.
This is the generation of the university education that was never geared
for the 'real' world.
I was taught that a university education was for the learning and a
technical school was for a trade... but maybe things have changed.
It hasn't change since the 70's and when going fo the odd interview in the >> 80's got the odd - 'so why have you NOT got a degree.
Despite my CV showing I was in at the sharp end from 1963 full time and 61 >> PT.
My own BA is in Liberal Arts from a tiny, toy school that took the Trivium and the Quadrivium rather seriously. I remember waking up one morning, rolling over and firing up a cigarette... and I looked through the
tendrils of smoke at the volumes on my college-kid cot, Descartes,
Maxwell, Newton, Rousseau...
... and thought 'I've shared my bed with some of the greatest minds the
world has seen.'
Learning is difficult, joyful work.
On 1/8/21 10:12 PM, docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
In article <1610140426@f1.n250.z2.fidonet.ftn>,
Vincent Coen <VBCoen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello docdwarf!
Friday January 08 2021 18:11, you wrote to All:
[snip]
'It is to people who understand the necessity of time and education.'
.... and it goes downhill from there... but what do I know, I was only >>>> doing this - and more! - before their parents met.
This is the generation of the university education that was never geared >>> for the 'real' world.
I was taught that a university education was for the learning and a
technical school was for a trade... but maybe things have changed.
They have been arguing this since the early 19th century.
I used to
work at a Jesuit University. we had a "self evaluation" done once. A >certain Jesuit who was on the investigative committee argued that we
should not be teaching Computer Science because that belonged in a
trade school. He came from Georgetown where they turn out 10 times
as many lawyers as we did computer scientists.
It hasn't change since the 70's and when going fo the odd interview in the >>> 80's got the odd - 'so why have you NOT got a degree.
Despite my CV showing I was in at the sharp end from 1963 full time and 61 >>> PT.
My own BA is in Liberal Arts from a tiny, toy school that took the Trivium >> and the Quadrivium rather seriously. I remember waking up one morning,
rolling over and firing up a cigarette... and I looked through the
tendrils of smoke at the volumes on my college-kid cot, Descartes,
Maxwell, Newton, Rousseau...
... and thought 'I've shared my bed with some of the greatest minds the
world has seen.'
Learning is difficult, joyful work.
I also went to a Liberal Arts College. And my degree is in Liberal
Studies. But, it is still quite useful. My concentrations were
German, Theology and Computer Science. And, it turns out, I have
one course short of a Theology Major. More German Credits than a
German Major. And more Computer Science Credits than a CS Major.
As well as all the Liberal Arts Courses like Philosophy, English,
Literature, etc.
Go figure.
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