• OT: Season's Greetings

    From pete dashwood@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 9 12:41:38 2020
    As I have done for the last 25 years or so, I'd like to wish everyone
    who comes to this forum the Compliments of the Season and a happy and prosperous New Year.

    When I look around at the devastation being wreaked by Covid, the unrest
    and uncertainty across the planet, and the general decline in common
    sense and hope, I am extremely grateful to be where I am.

    As I write this, sunshine is streaming into my house, and it is hard to
    be anything other than optimistic.

    Life here is pretty much normal. Supermarkets are well stocked and
    shopping is normal -no runs on bottled water or toilet paper, no panic,
    just routine. (As a food-producing nation, there was never any risk that
    we would starve and shelves are well stocked with fresh meat and produce.)

    (Technically we are at level 1 (full lockdown is level 4 - we did it for
    3 weeks, VERY EARLY on in the pandemic), which is mostly about strict
    border control. For the population it means observing social distance
    and handwashing and signing in to restaurants and bars for social
    tracking if required. Masks are required for public conveyances but not otherwise. (They are recommended and some people use them. I have some
    which I have not used... yet.)

    The general population trust the leadership (irrespective of Politics)
    and we do what Jacinda and her science team tell us to do. It is working
    for us. We have over 98% recovery from Covid, NO cases in the community
    and about 70 current cases in quarantine from returning flights. There
    are a few lunatic fringes who believe that Covid is a conspiracy and it
    is all about suppressing our rights and freedom, but they are just
    dismissed by the mainstream. Your rights and freedoms do not include the
    right to make other people sick because of your ignorance. We don't FEEL oppressed or enslaved. Over a third of the population have now been
    tested and it continues. Anyone who wants a test can get one; we have
    around 600 ICU hospital beds available (and none occupied). The TOTAL of
    all cases here, since the beginning, is just over 2000 and 20 have died.
    (They were all elderly and most had preconditions...understandable, but
    no less sad.)

    We have been king hit economically by the unavailability of tourists
    (one of our major industries), but the economic rebound is starting,
    small businesses have been supported through the worst, and unemployment
    is at a very low level. The general mood is optimism and people are
    preparing for Xmas with family and friends. When I finish writing this,
    I am going swimming...https://mounthotpools.co.nz/ I do 2 sessions a
    week and swim 1 KM each session. Been doing it for years and it is "normal"...(Apparently, the virus can't live in sea-water, so it is
    probably even safer than we would think...)

    Against this background, it is really saddening to see that much of the
    world cannot share our contentment.

    I'm hopeful that once the chaotic election in the USA is cleaned up,
    some normalcy will be restored to the country and the world.

    The bottom line is that if you follow the science and dismiss the crazy conspiracy theories, Covid CAN be beaten, even WITHOUT the advent of
    vaccines, which we all hope will be a game-changer.

    Meantime, my heartfelt sympathy to those of you suffering because of
    Covid. Keep yourselves and your friends safe; observe the rules and you
    will come through this.

    I hope the holidays are a pleasant time for everybody and we can all
    look forward to a better time in 2021.

    Cheers,

    Pete.
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  • From docdwarf@panix.com@21:1/5 to dashwood@enternet.co.nz on Wed Dec 9 00:33:42 2020
    In article <i3ah9hFr4qgU1@mid.individual.net>,
    pete dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
    As I have done for the last 25 years or so, I'd like to wish everyone
    who comes to this forum the Compliments of the Season and a happy and >prosperous New Year.

    The best to you and yours from me and mine, Mr Dashwood; may you all find freshness in the eternal cycle of solstices.

    DD

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  • From Bill Gunshannon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 8 20:53:34 2020
    All the best to you and yours in this holiday season.
    I wish you health and comfort in the coming New Year.

    bill

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  • From Kerry Liles@21:1/5 to pete dashwood on Wed Dec 9 04:11:04 2020
    pete dashwood wrote:

    As I have done for the last 25 years or so, I'd like to wish everyone who comes to this
    forum the Compliments of the Season and a happy and prosperous New Year.

    When I look around at the devastation being wreaked by Covid, the unrest and uncertainty across the planet, and the general decline in common sense and hope, I am
    extremely grateful to be where I am.

    As I write this, sunshine is streaming into my house, and it is hard to be anything
    other than optimistic.

    Life here is pretty much normal. Supermarkets are well stocked and shopping is normal
    -no runs on bottled water or toilet paper, no panic, just routine. (As a food-producing
    nation, there was never any risk that we would starve and shelves are well stocked with
    fresh meat and produce.)

    (Technically we are at level 1 (full lockdown is level 4 - we did it for 3 weeks, VERY
    EARLY on in the pandemic), which is mostly about strict border control. For the
    population it means observing social distance and handwashing and signing in to
    restaurants and bars for social tracking if required. Masks are required for public
    conveyances but not otherwise. (They are recommended and some people use them. I have
    some which I have not used... yet.)

    The general population trust the leadership (irrespective of Politics) and we do what
    Jacinda and her science team tell us to do. It is working for us. We have over 98%
    recovery from Covid, NO cases in the community and about 70 current cases in quarantine
    from returning flights. There are a few lunatic fringes who believe that Covid is a
    conspiracy and it is all about suppressing our rights and freedom, but they are just
    dismissed by the mainstream. Your rights and freedoms do not include the right to make
    other people sick because of your ignorance. We don't FEEL oppressed or enslaved. Over
    a third of the population have now been tested and it continues. Anyone who wants a
    test can get one; we have around 600 ICU hospital beds available (and none occupied).
    The TOTAL of all cases here, since the beginning, is just over 2000 and 20 have died.
    (They were all elderly and most had preconditions...understandable, but no less sad.)

    We have been king hit economically by the unavailability of tourists (one of our major
    industries), but the economic rebound is starting, small businesses have been supported
    through the worst, and unemployment is at a very low level. The general mood is
    optimism and people are preparing for Xmas with family and friends. When I finish
    writing this, I am going swimming...https://mounthotpools.co.nz/ I do 2 sessions a week
    and swim 1 KM each session. Been doing it for years and it is "normal"...(Apparently,
    the virus can't live in sea-water, so it is probably even safer than we would think...)

    Against this background, it is really saddening to see that much of the world cannot
    share our contentment.

    I'm hopeful that once the chaotic election in the USA is cleaned up, some normalcy will
    be restored to the country and the world.

    The bottom line is that if you follow the science and dismiss the crazy conspiracy
    theories, Covid CAN be beaten, even WITHOUT the advent of vaccines, which we all hope
    will be a game-changer.

    Meantime, my heartfelt sympathy to those of you suffering because of Covid. Keep
    yourselves and your friends safe; observe the rules and you will come through this.

    I hope the holidays are a pleasant time for everybody and we can all look forward to a
    better time in 2021.

    Cheers,

    Pete.


    And a Merry Christmas and Happy and Healthy New Year to you!

    We in Canada were seemingly doing reasonably well until our Fall/Autumn season when apparently many people let down their guard and allowed a second wave to form... many large urban areas are now in a "stay at home" partial lockdown but there are many regional differences from province to province...

    The vaccine appears to be on the horizon for us, but I am worried that many people will mistakenly think that the arrival of the vaccine (even though it is typically 2 consecutive shots) means the end of it all and back to normal.
    I think not.

    I remain optimistic but I am creeping into the high risk category ( >70 ) so
    we are staying to ourselves as much as possible and practicing all precautions.

    Cheers to all from me in "retirement".

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to PETE DASHWOOD on Wed Dec 9 13:28:00 2020
    As I have done for the last 25 years or so, I'd like to wish everyone
    who comes to this forum the Compliments of the Season and a happy and prosperous New Year.

    I hope your holiday season is a happy one also.


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  • From Jessica Colman@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 9 22:07:19 2020
    Best wishes to you and your beloved from snowy Germany.
    Stay healthy and lucky in the New Year.

    Jessica

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  • From Louis Krupp@21:1/5 to pete dashwood on Thu Dec 10 23:58:13 2020
    On 12/8/2020 4:41 PM, pete dashwood wrote:
    As I have done for the last 25 years or so, I'd like to wish everyone
    who comes to this forum the Compliments of the Season and a happy and prosperous New Year.

    Thanks, and likewise!

    When I look around at the devastation being wreaked by Covid, the
    unrest and uncertainty across the planet, and the general decline in
    common sense and hope, I am extremely grateful to be where I am.

    As I write this, sunshine is streaming into my house, and it is hard
    to be anything other than optimistic.

    Life here is pretty much normal. Supermarkets are well stocked and
    shopping is normal -no runs on bottled water or toilet paper, no
    panic, just routine. (As a food-producing nation, there was never any
    risk that we would starve and shelves are well stocked with fresh meat
    and produce.)

    (Technically we are at level 1 (full lockdown is level 4 - we did it
    for 3 weeks, VERY EARLY on in the pandemic), which is mostly about
    strict border control. For the population it means observing social
    distance and handwashing and signing in to restaurants and bars for
    social tracking if required. Masks are required for public conveyances
    but not otherwise. (They are recommended and some people use them. I
    have some which I have not used... yet.)

    The general population trust the leadership (irrespective of Politics)
    and we do what Jacinda and her science team tell us to do. It is
    working for us. We have over 98% recovery from Covid, NO cases in the community and about 70 current cases in quarantine from returning
    flights. There are a few lunatic fringes who believe that Covid is a conspiracy and it is all about suppressing our rights and freedom, but
    they are just dismissed by the mainstream. Your rights and freedoms do
    not include the right to make other people sick because of your
    ignorance. We don't FEEL oppressed or enslaved. Over a third of the population have now been tested and it continues. Anyone who wants a
    test can get one; we have around 600 ICU hospital beds available (and
    none occupied). The TOTAL of all cases here, since the beginning, is
    just over 2000 and 20 have died. (They were all elderly and most had preconditions...understandable, but no less sad.)

    We have been king hit economically by the unavailability of tourists
    (one of our major industries), but the economic rebound is starting,
    small businesses have been supported through the worst, and
    unemployment is at a very low level. The general mood is optimism and
    people are preparing for Xmas with family and friends. When I finish
    writing this, I am going swimming...https://mounthotpools.co.nz/ I do
    2 sessions a week and swim 1 KM each session. Been doing it for years
    and it is "normal"...(Apparently, the virus can't live in sea-water,
    so it is probably even safer than we would think...)

    Against this background, it is really saddening to see that much of
    the world cannot share our contentment.

    I'm hopeful that once the chaotic election in the USA is cleaned up,
    some normalcy will be restored to the country and the world.

    The election was fine. The aftermath ... not so much.

    The bottom line is that if you follow the science and dismiss the
    crazy conspiracy theories, Covid CAN be beaten, even WITHOUT the
    advent of vaccines, which we all hope will be a game-changer.

    In New Zealand, maybe you could do it without a vaccine. You're an
    island nation with intelligent leadership. The rest of us ... not so much.

    Meantime, my heartfelt sympathy to those of you suffering because of
    Covid. Keep yourselves and your friends safe; observe the rules and
    you will come through this.

    I hope the holidays are a pleasant time for everybody and we can all
    look forward to a better time in 2021.

    Cheers,

    Pete.

    Louis

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  • From Alistair Maclean@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 28 09:25:04 2020
    Nice to see that there is still life here.

    Happy New Year to all.

    I live in a tier 4 area. Used to be tier 2 but too many idiots were going raving and the first of the new variants hit hard so we are in lockdown. Good to see that the vaccines are coming on stream now. I had idly wondered what effect the virus would
    have on job availability seeing as it is our old codger generation which is hardest hit by it. Still, I guess they will just have to use sausage machines to convert cobol to java once we are gone.

    Pete - have you written said sausage machine?

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  • From docdwarf@panix.com@21:1/5 to alistair.j.l.maclean@gmail.com on Mon Dec 28 17:56:30 2020
    In article <ebe601da-db42-48f5-8c0f-1ba73ee74fc2n@googlegroups.com>,
    Alistair Maclean <alistair.j.l.maclean@gmail.com> wrote:

    [snip]

    I had
    idly wondered what effect the virus would have on job availability
    seeing as it is our old codger generation which is hardest hit by it.

    Good day, Mr Maclean, and a pleasure to see you still evidencing your
    cheery and sunny mood to all the sundry passers-by.

    If it makes you feel any happier I recently got a call from the Last of
    The Geezers at an Insurance Company I did some work for in the 1980s; he
    asked if I'd be interested in helping move off modules I wrote.

    I asked for a rate, or range of rates.

    DD

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  • From Alistair Maclean@21:1/5 to docd...@panix.com on Mon Dec 28 10:31:08 2020
    On Monday, 28 December 2020 at 17:56:32 UTC, docd...@panix.com wrote:
    In article <ebe601da-db42-48f5...@googlegroups.com>,
    Alistair Maclean <alistair.j...@gmail.com> wrote:

    [snip]
    I had
    idly wondered what effect the virus would have on job availability
    seeing as it is our old codger generation which is hardest hit by it.
    Good day, Mr Maclean, and a pleasure to see you still evidencing your
    cheery and sunny mood to all the sundry passers-by.

    You must be mistaking me for someone else. I have never been cheery.


    If it makes you feel any happier I recently got a call from the Last of
    The Geezers at an Insurance Company I did some work for in the 1980s; he asked if I'd be interested in helping move off modules I wrote.

    I asked for a rate, or range of rates.

    DD

    I do find it amusing. Good luck.

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  • From pete dashwood@21:1/5 to docdwarf@panix.com on Tue Dec 29 17:44:13 2020
    On 29/12/2020 06:56, docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
    In article <ebe601da-db42-48f5-8c0f-1ba73ee74fc2n@googlegroups.com>,
    Alistair Maclean <alistair.j.l.maclean@gmail.com> wrote:

    [snip]

    I had
    idly wondered what effect the virus would have on job availability
    seeing as it is our old codger generation which is hardest hit by it.

    Good day, Mr Maclean, and a pleasure to see you still evidencing your
    cheery and sunny mood to all the sundry passers-by.

    If it makes you feel any happier I recently got a call from the Last of
    The Geezers at an Insurance Company I did some work for in the 1980s; he asked if I'd be interested in helping move off modules I wrote.

    I asked for a rate, or range of rates.

    DD

    Well, of course, the code *I* wrote for various insurance companies is
    still working perfectly so there is no incentive to move off it... :-)

    Most of the Geezers I knew are now retired or dead though...

    Pete.

    --
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  • From pete dashwood@21:1/5 to Alistair Maclean on Tue Dec 29 17:38:42 2020
    On 29/12/2020 06:25, Alistair Maclean wrote:
    Nice to see that there is still life here.

    Happy New Year to all.

    I live in a tier 4 area. Used to be tier 2 but too many idiots were going raving and the first of the new variants hit hard so we are in lockdown. Good to see that the vaccines are coming on stream now. I had idly wondered what effect the virus would
    have on job availability seeing as it is our old codger generation which is hardest hit by it. Still, I guess they will just have to use sausage machines to convert cobol to java once we are gone.

    Pete - have you written said sausage machine?

    No, I am a firm believer that the sausage is sacrosanct and should not
    be demeaned ...

    I believe we are living in the best of times and the wurst of times...
    (Sorry Alistair, too much egg nog... my head's in a Dickens of a mess..)

    I have seen the sacrilegious programs which convert the Holy COBOL
    source code into Java and I have prayed to the Holy Optimizer to forgive
    them their transgressions.

    I would never be a part of any such Heresy.

    My efforts have always been to make COBOL BETTER...

    When PRIMA migrates COBOL we convert it to OO COBOL; not to a different language entirely.

    When we generate new code from scratch, it is either OO COBOL or C#.

    All of it is designed to play nicely together by using component based
    design principles, and it also plays nicely with any other OO languages
    that implement the Component Object Model. We have migrated applications
    which can now use COBOL Objects, and we have COBOL applications which
    use 3rd Party Components written in other OO languages. Everybody gets
    on fine; it could be a model of diversity for the world...

    Hope you had a good holiday period; I see the jocks are wanting
    independence again... I wonder if it has anything to do with North Sea
    Oil?... :-)

    Although many are reeling over Brexit, I honestly believe it will be a
    good thing for the UK and in a couple of years you will see UK doing far
    better than most of Europe. (There have been far too many snouts in the
    trough for far too long...)

    However, I am an optimist and an Anglophile so I may be biased on this...

    Pete.
    --
    I used to write *COBOL*; now I can do *anything*...

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  • From Bill Gunshannon@21:1/5 to pete dashwood on Tue Dec 29 09:41:29 2020
    On 12/28/20 11:44 PM, pete dashwood wrote:
    On 29/12/2020 06:56, docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
    In article <ebe601da-db42-48f5-8c0f-1ba73ee74fc2n@googlegroups.com>,
    Alistair Maclean  <alistair.j.l.maclean@gmail.com> wrote:

    [snip]

    I had
    idly wondered what effect the virus would have on job availability
    seeing as it is our old codger generation which is hardest hit by it.

    Good day, Mr Maclean, and a pleasure to see you still evidencing your
    cheery and sunny mood to all the sundry passers-by.

    If it makes you feel any happier I recently got a call from the Last of
    The Geezers at an Insurance Company I did some work for in the 1980s; he
    asked if I'd be interested in helping move off modules I wrote.

    I asked for a rate, or range of rates.

    DD

    Well, of course, the code *I* wrote for various insurance companies is
    still working perfectly so there is no incentive to move off it... :-)

    Most of the Geezers I knew are now retired or dead though...

    Pete.


    Now that is funnier than anything I have heard in a while.

    I know of COBOL I wrote (some of it 40 years ago!) that is still
    running just fine. I have also written production code in Fortran,
    Pascal, Ada, C, BASIC, APL, PHP, PERL, AWK, Java, Various Shells
    and Various Assemblers (and probably some that even I have forgotten).
    I am aware of none other than the COBOL that are still in use.

    And while many of the "geezers" I worked with in the past have died,
    even those who haven't are no longer writing any code.

    bill

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