• Google keeps a log of all your electronic parts, brakes, tools, and

    From Fox's Mercantile@21:1/5 to Arlen G. Holder on Sat May 18 12:05:45 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 5/18/19 11:28 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    Unfortunately, I don't know yet how_turning off_ scanning is possible.
    o Do you?

    Piss the fuck off.


    --
    "I am a river to my people."
    Jeff-1.0
    WA6FWi
    http:foxsmercantile.com

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  • From Arlen G. Holder@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Sat May 18 17:30:34 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On Sat, 18 May 2019 13:04:48 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote:

    REAL SIMPLE solution. Do NOT use G-Mail or ANY other FREE e-mail
    service.

    Hi Clare,

    You and I go way back, where you help us solve problems that most people
    can't even fathom the solution to, since the solution requires brains that
    you have, but which most others who post don't have.

    Let's _solve_ this problem the best way we can
    o By understanding the problem set - and then the solution that works.

    For example, we've already solved, rather easily it turns out, all Google spying on the Android newsgroup, where we can eliminate google without even having to resort to being root.

    We solved that problem simply by working together and not giving up when
    the electronic solution became difficult.

    WE can do that for this problem too, IMHO.
    o Starting with defining the problem set.

    We _need_ email, right?
    o So we have to have an email account, right?

    And, if we want stuff such as that BMW factory software so that we can diagnose, fix, and re-program the score of ECUs in a typical bimmer, we
    have to get that software online, right (because BMW doesn't sell it).

    Also, if we buy tires online to get the best tire at the best price, we end
    up getting the registration receipt online also. Likewise, if we get free electronics like my femtocell & repeaters from my carrier, _they_ send
    those confirmation emails online - whether I like it or not.

    *Who _knew_ that these things are _all_ saved _separately_ by Google?* <https://myaccount.google.com/purchases>

    That is, they're NOT saved in the "normal" place to control such things: <https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization>

    Hence, there are multiple facets of this thread, intended to solve the
    stated problem set, as always, with the combined help of the tribe:

    The main questions asked in the discovery phase are:
    1. What do you find in your account that Google considers a receipt?
    2. Is there any other way to "pause" this other than to delete the email?

    Once we answer those questions, more detailed questions can be solved:
    3. What's the best alternative to Gmail known today?
    4. Is there an automated way to locally intercept & reattach receipts

    If you (or anyone else) knows of the BEST alternative email to Gmail, let's discuss that - because it's a potential viable solution to the problem set.

    If there's a clever electronic way to intercept our own emails locally, recognizing what Google considers a "receipt" (bearing in mind Google's interpretation clearly includes free stuff & registration cards)?

    For example, maybe we can solve the problem by:
    o Figuring out what Google triggers as a "receipt"
    o Set our _own_ triggers (e.g., with procmail) to recognize the receipt
    o Collect, and locally re-scan that receipt & send as an attachment
    etc.

    There is a problem - and there is a solution.
    o If we say "don't use Gmail" then we need an alternative mail service.

    What's the most viable alternative email service that people know of?

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Arlen G. Holder on Sat May 18 14:22:36 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:
    Unfortunately, I don't know yet how _turning off_ scanning is possible.
    o Do you?

    If you aren't paying for a service, you aren't the customer. If you aren't
    the customer, you are likely the product.

    Giving google this information is how you pay for your mail service. If you
    do not like giving this information up, purchase your mail service elsewhere
    or don't send that information by email. Google sells that information, which is how they can afford to provide email to you for free.

    There are plenty of places that will sell you IMAPS service that is reasonably private and reasonably well-maintained. I am not suggesting you abandon google altogether, but I am certainly suggesting that if you care about keeping your email information private that you should not be using gmail.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Arlen G. Holder on Sat May 18 12:17:03 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 05/18/2019 11:30 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    There is a problem - and there is a solution.
    o If we say "don't use Gmail" then we need an alternative mail service.

    What's the most viable alternative email service that people know of?

    Proton.

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  • From Arlen G. Holder@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Sat May 18 21:28:23 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:58:18 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote:

    Doesn't meen youhave to "sell your soul" to Google to get e-mail.

    Hi Clare,

    Agreed on the fact there's no need to "sell your soul" to Google.

    I saw the purposefully helpful suggestion from rbowman of Proton, which
    I've tested in the past, but I don't remember why I didn't keep it so I'll
    try anew as if there was a better solution, I'd seek it out - although - sometimes the "fancy" tools are no better in the end than the
    tried-and-true basic boring tools.

    LATER EDIT: I also saw your purposefully helpful suggestions of alternative Email services other than Gmail below! (Thanks - I'll test them out.)

    Same reason I will NEVER use Chrome as a browser.

    No disagreement here on Chrome.

    Chrome is banned from my systems, where there are _plenty_ of privacy based Chromium-based browsers, e.g., Epic or Opera on Windows, both of which
    claim to be a free VPN but which are both really encrypted web-based
    proxies. (And there's Brave, which is a tor-by-tab enabled browser.)

    And non-Chromium-based privacy browsers too (e.g., TBB).

    Not a big fan of
    Android either for the same reason.

    Be careful here, as most people, IMHO, who use iOS, are highly influenced
    by bullshit marketing, as the sad fact is and always was that iOS has very little of the privacy that Android has, where most people only know the cherry-picked examples that some marketing organization feeds them; but not
    the full factual details about privacy.

    For example, it's _easy_ to remove almost all Google privacy intrusions on Android while it's impossible to have the same kind of privacy on iOS.

    We have a loooooooong very detailed discussion of this easily proven fact
    on the smartphone ngs, so I won't belabor the issue here other than to say anyone who feels iOS is somehow (magically?) more private than Android,
    doesn't know either system to _any_ level of comprehension.

    All they know is marketing bullshit.

    See factual details here:
    o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities
    between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>

    When you use ANY Google service or
    product, you are putting everything you do on view to Google - who
    will sell you to the highest (or any) bidder.

    This is true, IMHO, that Google sees everything you let them see.

    Just like I stated the fact is that you can easily almost completely
    eliminate Google from Android without _any_ loss of functionality, we
    _should_ be able to eliminate this specific offshoot separate privacy hive
    of our stored receipts.
    o Is there any free FUNCTIONALITY that you need to do on Android, that you can't do WITHOUT a Google Account? <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/xzaii4eUY_E>

    What we need is a similar solution of eliminating this receipt hive.

    Obviously, it's Google's fault for not putting this receipt hive along with
    the other privacy hives which are able to be "paused". <https://myaccount.google.com/data-and-personalization>

    Clearly, one short-term workaround, staying within the Gmail ecosystem, is
    to print the emailed receipt to a format which Google doesn't scan (e.g.,
    PDF or JPEG), and then reattach that receipt to an email (if you wish to
    store it in your Google account).

    The main problem with the short-term solutions, such as printing to PDF and saving the PDF'd receipt in a folder on your system, is that _new_ receipts will _still_ get archived - since I couldn't find a way to "pause" this
    receipt hive.

    One potential permanent solution might be a local filter, such as a
    procmail server for example, which automatically re-creates a local email
    that is in an image format, and hence less likely to be scanned by Google.

    Or, as rbowman suggested, a better freeware email solution, perhaps
    o <>https://protonmail.com/>
    Which claims:
    o Open source
    o Works with any MUA
    o Swiss privacy laws
    o End-to-end encryption
    o No personal information or even IP addresses logged

    I will set this up and test and write back the results on the related
    platform ngs, so that everyone benefits from the efforts of others bringing value to the Usenet potluck picnic.

    ANyone whoknows anything about Google knew that 5 years or more ago.

    Did you _really_ know that Google keeps the receipts _separately?_
    o And, did you know it's not part of the _normal_ privacy stuff?

    Really?
    o I find that hard to believe - but it _could_ be true.
    (I'm not going to belabor whether you knew or not.)

    Nonetheless, even if you did know about it, there's no mention from you in
    the past that you noted of how to solve the problem - so - it doesn't help
    to know about it - but I do see that you kindly provided potential
    solutions below - which is great added value to the Usenet picnic to share.

    Nothing -= as I don't USE Google

    NOTE: Proton Mail, suggested by rbowman, seems like a decent choice, where
    I see you provided alternatives, which I will test out.

    Best? Your own private email server - locked down like Fort Knox.

    I think you _still_ need IP address protection if you're setting up
    sendmail at home, don't you?

    I guess you could automate every sendmail batch request to include a
    connection to VPN - which should work. And, there's DDNS if you don't have
    a static IP address, for example.

    If folks have working scripts, that's what we should be discussing then, as it's not rocket science to set up a sendmail server - but - the IP address protection is the problem.

    Acceptable? What does your ISP use? Yahoo and MegaMailServers are two relatively reputable services contracted by many ISPs.

    Hehhehheh... my ISP?
    o My situation is not like most since I get my Internet via an antenna.

    Most people though don't live on a mountaintop, so they probably have a
    cable (and pipes) which feed their homes, so for _them_, that's a
    potentially viable solution.

    Others have
    their own in-house mail servers - like TechSavvy . Axigen is
    another.. If you want to "dance with a different devil" - one that is somewhat more benign than google, youcan use outlook.com (formerly
    Windows Live Mail and Hotmail) or Mail.com, or even ProtonMail or
    Tutanota (which are fully encrypted, apparently) or Yandex? or ZOHO?
    or GMX, or even AOL Mail?

    Ah! Now that's value to be brought to the potluck picnic to share!

    These are all nice starting suggestions for _replacement_ email service:
    o <https://protonmail.com/> free, no private information, no IP logs
    o <https://www.axigen.com/> mail & calendar, (business solution)
    o <https://teksavvy.com/services/> seems to be an ISP???
    o <https://tutanota.com/> OSS, encryption, all platforms, free, ad free
    o <https://mail.yandex.com/> 10GB storage, free?, no personal information
    o <https://www.zoho.com/mail/> free, requires personal information
    o <https://www.gmx.com/mail/> free, requires personal information,

    Always keeping to the spirit of a general purpose solution, these appear
    upon the first pass to be free and they appear, on just the first skim of
    the main web page, to not log your IP address or ask (or require) personal information during the sign-up process:
    o <https://protonmail.com/> free, no private information, no IP logs
    o <https://tutanota.com/> free, no private information, no IP logs
    o <https://mail.yandex.com/> free?, no private info, IP logs?

    There are other (paid) services like
    AuthSMTP, and FastMail. AppRiver is another excellent paid service
    with many security options. With many ov these you will need to
    register a domain which is a separate expense (about $10 a year, +/-)

    Thanks for the payware solutions, where some above seemed to be payware
    also (at least upon initial inspection), but where payware instantly
    relegates the solution to a non-general solution - where the cost of
    freeware is in the immense testing involved - while the prelimary to
    payware is the freeware.

    Once we know what the freeware is capable of, then and only then do we have
    the information necessary to evaluate our payware needs.

    That's the classic two-step process to using payware, where, almost always,
    the freeware does not only what the payware does, but often _more_ than the payware does - but each functionality situation is different.

    4. Is there an automated way to locally intercept & reattach receipts
    Not if they come to you through Google. Do you understand how e-mail
    works? Things like SMTP. MAPI, IMAP, POP, and all that complex stuff?

    Hi Clare,
    I cut my teeth on computers during the days of the punched card and IBM
    JCL, where the IBM 1130 and PDP 11 was something I used in college, and
    then I worked on a variety of DEC and Masscomp boxes until Sun took over
    (and died), so, um, yeah, I know that stuff (I wrote hundreds of procmail filters, for example, in the days when we actually _complained_ to the
    server admin if we received a spam, and we used our actual email addresses
    in tin or rn).

    Do you know the difference between a mailserver and an e-mail client?

    Um... yes. MUA is the old term, as I'm sure you're aware of (also MTA).
    [Then there's LDA and MDA, but let's not go into all these TLAs.]
    o Plain old "mailx" was what I used on Linux for my "client"
    o Then Windows & the Mac had Eudora for the longest time as the "client"
    Well before Google existed.

    In the olden days, with our ISPs, we had to get these settings:
    o We started with pop3 server settings & smtp server credentials
    o Then we moved to imap4 (which didn't download the mail locally)
    o And, until AT&T joined up with Cuomo, we had the ISP's nntp server:port

    You can use Mail2Web.com as your webmail if your ISP does not provide
    an interface like Horde or Roundcube or SquirrelMail (most do)

    My ISP is a WISP with about 50 customers locally.
    o We do our own antenna installs and self-help for the neighbors

    Mostly we use powerful WiFi radios, of which I have a half dozen scattered about - here's a shot I took just now of just one corner of the basement of
    my house, for example
    <https://i.postimg.cc/brGyw8cM/purchase10.jpg>
    [In that photo is also the cellular repeater, a wired repeater, and a few powerful 2.4GHz & 5GHz transceivers, not all of which are in current use).

    While that's just a half dozen radios, I have at least a dozen of them scattered about as access points and to connect with the WISP & to
    neighbors a few miles away, as we pass our Internet back and forth over
    Fresnel zones and up the steep mountainside to paint the deep canyons
    below.

    All we get from the ISP is the Internet - where that's all we need.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "mail2web" though, as there seem to be a few outfits using that name, e.g.,
    o <http://mail2web.com/>
    o <http://www.zuter.com/mail2web.htm>

    And, for Horde, vs Roundcute vs SquirrelMail, we can refer to this review:
    o <https://www.thewebmaster.com/cpanel-articles/horde-roundcube-or-squirrelmail/>
    o <https://www.exabytes.sg/blog/which-webmail-should-you-choose/>
    o <https://blog.arvixe.com/horde-squirrelmail-and-roundcube/>
    o <https://documentation.cpanel.net/display/CKB/Which+Webmail+Application+Should+I+Choose>
    Where:
    o Horde webmail - full suite of feaures
    o Roundcube webmail - most populare - but with limited features
    o Squirrelmail webmail - limited functionality but easy to use (died 4/2018) And where all apparently require a "cpanel account".
    o <https://cpanel.net/>

    But a web browser is, by most accounts, an horrific way to obtain email,
    where a dedicated MUA is the way to go, IMHO - but that's a different
    question altogether.

    In summary, you've brought value to share at the Potluck Picnic that is
    Usenet, where the first task following up on your purposefully helpful post
    is to explore the viable freeware mail services which can _replace_ google email functionality as a global and general solution for everyone on all platforms.

    Thanks for bringing something of value to the Usenet potluck picnic.
    There's plenty of general use for users to followup with more details based
    on their adding of their valuable experience to the Usenet potluck!

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  • From Roger Blake@21:1/5 to Arlen G. Holder on Sat May 18 23:31:14 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 2019-05-18, Arlen G. Holder <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:
    What's the most viable alternative email service that people know of?

    For any online ordering and personal communications I use my own
    mail server.

    -- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  • From Ed Pawlowski@21:1/5 to Roger Blake on Sat May 18 19:52:16 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 5/18/2019 7:31 PM, Roger Blake wrote:

    For any online ordering and personal communications I use my own
    mail server.


    I use Hillary's. More secure, no one can see what is on it.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Ed Pawlowski on Sat May 18 21:12:47 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 05/18/2019 04:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    On 5/18/2019 7:31 PM, Roger Blake wrote:

    For any online ordering and personal communications I use my own
    mail server.


    I use Hillary's. More secure, no one can see what is on it.

    And now it's probably auto-delete after a few days so you don't have to
    bother. SCORE!

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    My computer doesn't have to be friendly;
    civil is entirely sufficient.

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  • From Wolf Bagger@21:1/5 to Arlen G. Holder on Mon May 20 11:42:57 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 2019-05-18 14:28, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    <paranoia>

    Is corporate mind control the new Government mind control?

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  • From Arlen G. Holder@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 22 06:49:26 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    Thanks to purposefully helpful suggestions by rbowman & Clare Snyder in
    this thread, we have five potential replacement free mail services to
    consider.

    Moving the on-topic potluck forward, I add value by reporting that I tested
    for the team the following five mail services, all of which seem to be potentially viable as Gmail replacements; however, my assessment is based
    only on _preliminary_ tests over the past couple of days only (where time
    will tell whether these five mail services are viable Google alternatives).
    o GMX <https://www.gmx.com/mail/>
    o Proton Mail <https://protonmail.com/>
    o Tutanota <https://tutanota.com/>
    o Yandex <https://mail.yandex.com/>
    o Zoho <https://www.zoho.com/mail/>

    GMX:
    o Unknown storage limit
    o Required Mr or Ms gender selection
    o Required a first & last name
    o Required a country, and, for the USA, a state
    o Required a DOB
    o Password must be at least 8 characters
    o Required a password-recovery selection (SMS or email)
    o Required a phone number for SMS verification (but didn't use it???)
    o Required captcha (easy fire-hydrant single-pass stuff)
    o Doesn't inform you the username is valid until late in the game

    Proton:
    o 500MB storage & 150 messages per day limit
    o Allows choice of domain (protonmail.com, protonmail.ch)
    o Recovery email is optional
    o Doesn't require gender or name or DOB or location or phone, etc.
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
    o Password must be at least 6 characters
    o Choice of verification by captcha, email, sms, or donation
    o Captcha is easy one-pass fire-hydrant stuff
    o Asks to "show notifications" (which you can block or allow)

    Tutanota:
    o 1 GB limit
    o Doesn't require gender or name or DOB or location or phone, etc.
    o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
    o Tells you the password cannot be reset (so choose wisely, I guess)
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
    o Asks you to write down 64 hex character "recovery code"

    Yandex:
    o Unknown storage limit
    o Requires only first name & surname
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
    o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
    o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security question
    o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
    o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

    Zoho
    o 5GB storage limit
    o Requires only first name & last name
    o Username must be more than 6 characters
    o Password literally requires 8 letters even if it's much longer than that
    o Requires mobile phone number to send SMS verification code
    o Accepts free second-line mobile phone software SMS numbers though
    o Asks to enable 2FA but you can skip it "for now"
    o Save the numeric "user id" which shows up after you create the account

    If you have data to share to improve the quick summary above, or, if you
    know of _other_ free gmail service replacements, please let us know as
    Usenet is a potluck where everyone is expected to bring something of value
    to share.

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  • From Arlen G. Holder@21:1/5 to Arlen G. Holder on Wed May 22 09:39:26 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On Wed, 22 May 2019 06:49:26 -0000 (UTC), Arlen G. Holder wrote:

    If you have data to share to improve the quick summary above, or, if you
    know of _other_ free gmail service replacements, please let us know as
    Usenet is a potluck where everyone is expected to bring something of value
    to share.

    Since I only tested the five suggested mail services using the web,
    it's time to choose a cross platform free MUA out of this list of
    common ones.
    o Blue Mail (iOS) <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-mail-email-mailbox/id1063729305>
    o Claws Mail (Windows, Linux, Mac, Android, iOS) <https://www.claws-mail.org/> o eMClient (Windows, Mac) <https://www.emclient.com/>
    o Evolution (Linux) <https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution>
    o Geary (Linux) <https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Geary>
    o Hiri (Windows, Mac, Linux) <https://www.hiri.com/>
    o Inky (Windows, Mac, Android) <https://inky.com/>
    o K-9 Mail (Android) <https://k9mail.github.io/>
    o Mailbird (Windows) <https://www.getmailbird.com/>
    o Mailspring (fork of Nylas Mail) <https://getmailspring.com/>
    o myMail (iOS) <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mymail-email-app/id722120997>
    o Nylas Mail (Windows, IOS, Linux, Mac) <https://www.nylas.com/>
    o Outlook (Windows) <https://outlook.live.com/owa/>
    o Pegasus <http://www.pmail.com/downloads.htm>
    o Spark (Android) <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.readdle.spark>
    o Spike (Windows, Mac, Android, iOS) <https://www.spikenow.com/>
    o Thunderbird (Windows, Mac, Linux) <https://www.thunderbird.net/>
    o Windows Live Mail (Windows) <https://windows-live-mail.en.softonic.com/>
    o Zimbra (Windows, Mac, Linux) <https://www.zimbra.com/>
    etc.

    Choosing Clawmail (since it's on all five common consumer platforms),
    the next step is to look up the SMTP/POP3/IMAP4 server settings for
    each of the five suggested mail services.

    Here is a first pass at the POP3, IMAP4, & SMTP server & port settings.
    o <https://emailconfiguration.com/>
    o <https://www.arclab.com/en/kb/email/list-of-smtp-and-pop3-servers-mailserver-list.html>

    GMX:
    o POP3: pop.gmx.com:995 (SSL or encryption)(alternative: 110) TLS/SSL required: yes for port 995, no for port 110
    o IMAP4: imap.gmx.com:993 (SSL/TLS)(alternative: 143) TLS/SSL required: yes for port 993, no for port 143
    o SMTP: mail.gmx.com:587/465 (STARTTLS, TLS or encryption) smtp.gmx.com:587 TLS/SSL required: no
    o Username: foo@gmx.com
    o Password: fubar

    Proton:
    o POP3: web only?
    o IMAP4: web only?
    o SMTP: web only?
    o Username: foo@protonmail.com
    o Password: fubar

    Tutanota:
    o POP3: web only?
    o IMAP4: web only?
    o SMTP: web only?
    o Username: foo@tutanota.com
    o Password: fubar

    Yandex:
    o POP3: pop.yandex.com:995/SSL
    o IMAP4: imap.yandex.com:993/SSL
    o SMTP: smtp.yandex.com:465/SSL 587/SSL
    o Username: foo@yandex.com
    o Password: fubar

    Zoho:
    o POP3: pop.zoho.eu:995/SSL
    o IMAP4: imap.zoho.eu:993 SSL
    o SMTP: smtp.zoho.eu:587/TLS 465/SSL
    o Username: foo@zoho.com
    o Password: fubar

    Here is where the information above came from in this first pass.

    GMX:
    o <https://emailconfiguration.com/gmx-com>
    o <http://smtpimap.email/gmx.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
    o <https://support.gmx.com/pop-imap/pop3/serverdata.html>
    o <https://www.lifewire.com/what-are-the-gmx-mail-smtp-settings-1172152>
    o <https://support.gmx.com/pop-imap/pop3/index.html>
    o <https://www.serversettings.email/gmx.at-email-server-settings-imap.php>
    o <https://serversmtp.com/smtp-gmx/>

    Proton:
    o <http://prontomail.com/imap.html>
    o No POP3 support
    o <https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/imap-smtp-and-pop3-setup/>
    o <http://smtpimap.email/protonmail.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
    o Proton Bridge only for payware users
    o <https://protonmail.com/bridge/>

    Tutanota: Apparently does not support IMAP or POP3
    o <http://smtpimap.email/tutanota.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
    o <http://smtpimap.email/iphone/tutanota.com-email-setup.html>
    o <https://tutanota.uservoice.com/forums/237921-general/suggestions/6895110-external-imap-pop3-connection>

    Yandex:
    o <https://emailconfiguration.com/yandex-com>
    o <https://yandex.com/support/mail/mail-clients.html>
    o <https://www.lifewire.com/yandex-mail-pop3-settings-1170797>
    o <http://smtpimap.email/yandex.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
    o <http://smtpimap.email/iphone/yandex.com-email-setup.html>
    o <https://imapsmtp.email/yandex.ru-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
    o <https://settings.email/yandex-com-tr-email-settings/>
    o <https://www.serversettings.email/yandex.com-email-server-settings-imap.php>

    Zoho:
    o <https://emailconfiguration.com/zoho-com>
    o <http://smtpimap.email/zoho.com-smtp-imap-email-settings.html>
    o <https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/imap-access.html>
    o <https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/zoho-smtp.html>
    o <https://emailsettingsguide.com/zoho-imap-and-smtp-settings/>
    o <https://brightwhiz.com/zoho-mail-server-settings/>
    o <https://www.emailquestions.com/threads/what-are-the-zoho-mail-imap-and-smtp-mail-server-settings.9279/>
    o <https://www.hupport.com/zoho-mail-zoho-mail-imap-smtp-configuration-details/>
    o <https://www.techtolead.com/pop3-imap-access-configuration-zoho-mail/2171/>
    o <https://www.emailquestions.com/threads/what-are-the-incoming-pop3-and-outgoing-smtp-mail-server-settings-for-zoho-mail.3960/>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Arlen G. Holder on Wed May 22 08:25:30 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    Yandex:
    o Unknown storage limit
    o Requires only first name & surname
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
    o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
    o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security question
    o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
    o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

    Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point where
    I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
    Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data
    at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to rbowman on Wed May 22 12:20:05 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 05/22/2019 07:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    Yandex:
    o Unknown storage limit
    o Requires only first name & surname
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
    o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
    o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security question >> o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
    o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

    Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point where
    I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
    Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data
    at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

    The Russian guy who wrote the EBookDroid app provides excellent customer service for an absolute pittance. We asked him how we could pay more (apparently paypal doesn't work in Russia), but he said just buy the
    'pro' app. He also speaks (or at least writes) excellent English, such
    that I wonder if he's just pretending to be Russian.

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "Everyone ought to stop and smell crayons once in a while."
    -- DA

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Wed May 22 20:26:02 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 05/22/2019 01:20 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 07:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    Yandex:
    o Unknown storage limit
    o Requires only first name & surname
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
    o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
    o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security
    question
    o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer
    o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

    Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point where
    I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
    Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data
    at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

    The Russian guy who wrote the EBookDroid app provides excellent customer service for an absolute pittance. We asked him how we could pay more (apparently paypal doesn't work in Russia), but he said just buy the
    'pro' app. He also speaks (or at least writes) excellent English, such
    that I wonder if he's just pretending to be Russian.


    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the really
    evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump seems to love.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu May 23 10:03:45 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 5/23/19 9:59 AM, bitrex wrote:

    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
    really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
    seems to love.



    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them which is surprising given just how horrible they are. Not exactly a role-model.



    Imagine if after discovering the Japanese government was responsible for
    Pearl Harbor instead of lighting them up the US government signed a
    crude oil purchase agreement and sold them our latest aircraft <boggle>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to rbowman on Thu May 23 09:59:40 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 5/22/19 10:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 01:20 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 07:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    Yandex:
    o Unknown storage limit
    o Requires only first name & surname
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available
    o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8)
    o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security
    question
    o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom answer >>>> o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

    Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point where >>> I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
    Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data
    at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

    The Russian guy who wrote the EBookDroid app provides excellent customer
    service for an absolute pittance.  We asked him how we could pay more
    (apparently paypal doesn't work in Russia), but he said just buy the
    'pro' app.  He also speaks (or at least writes) excellent English, such
    that I wonder if he's just pretending to be Russian.


    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the really
    evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump seems to love.



    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them which is surprising given just how horrible they are. Not exactly a role-model.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri May 24 02:03:20 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    "bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:5LxFE.53327$365.2466@fx42.iad...
    On 5/23/19 9:59 AM, bitrex wrote:

    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the really
    evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump seems to
    love.



    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them which is
    surprising given just how horrible they are. Not exactly a role-model.



    Imagine if after discovering the Japanese government was responsible for Pearl Harbor instead of lighting them up the US government signed a crude
    oil purchase agreement and sold them our latest aircraft <boggle>

    Saudi has never done anything even remotely like Pearl Harbor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri May 24 02:01:31 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    "bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message
    news:gHxFE.902$9A4.169@fx02.iad...
    On 5/22/19 10:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 01:20 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 07:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    Yandex:
    o Unknown storage limit
    o Requires only first name & surname
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available >>>>> o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8) >>>>> o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security
    question
    o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom
    answer
    o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

    Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point
    where
    I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
    Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data >>>> at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

    The Russian guy who wrote the EBookDroid app provides excellent customer >>> service for an absolute pittance. We asked him how we could pay more
    (apparently paypal doesn't work in Russia), but he said just buy the
    'pro' app. He also speaks (or at least writes) excellent English, such
    that I wonder if he's just pretending to be Russian.


    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the really
    evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump seems to love.

    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them

    Not love them so much as realise that they arent as bad as some of the
    others in the middle east.

    Same with Jordan.

    which is
    surprising given just how horrible they are.

    Not really.

    Not exactly a role-model.

    Sure, but certainly not as bad as the worst of the rest.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Thu May 23 12:24:18 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 5/23/19 12:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
    really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
    seems to love.

    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them

    Not love them so much as realise that they arent as bad as some of the
    others in the middle east.

    Same with Jordan.

    which is
    surprising given just how horrible they are.

    Not really.

    They only _occasionally_ decapitate and crucify prisoners

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri May 24 02:33:26 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    "bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message
    news:SOzFE.59$Ky4.38@fx08.iad...
    On 5/23/19 12:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the really >>>> evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump seems to
    love.

    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them

    Not love them so much as realise that they arent as bad as some of the
    others in the middle east.

    Same with Jordan.

    which is
    surprising given just how horrible they are.

    Not really.

    They only _occasionally_ decapitate and crucify prisoners

    Sure, but the the USA still kills murderers.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Thu May 23 12:23:37 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 5/23/19 12:03 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


    "bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:5LxFE.53327$365.2466@fx42.iad...
    On 5/23/19 9:59 AM, bitrex wrote:

    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
    really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
    seems to love.



    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them which
    is surprising given just how horrible they are. Not exactly a
    role-model.



    Imagine if after discovering the Japanese government was responsible
    for Pearl Harbor instead of lighting them up the US government signed
    a crude oil purchase agreement and sold them our latest aircraft <boggle>

    Saudi has never done anything even remotely like Pearl Harbor.

    Oh, honey.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From bitrex@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Thu May 23 12:36:44 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 5/23/19 12:33 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


    "bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message
    news:SOzFE.59$Ky4.38@fx08.iad...
    On 5/23/19 12:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
    really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
    seems to love.

    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them

    Not love them so much as realise that they arent as bad as some of
    the others in the middle east.

    Same with Jordan.

    which is
    surprising given just how horrible they are.

    Not really.

    They only _occasionally_ decapitate and crucify prisoners

    Sure, but the the USA still kills murderers.

    If a Soviet-style "and you are still lynching Negroes" is the rebuttal
    you're going to roll with I think we're done here, lol.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to bitrex on Fri May 24 03:20:08 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    "bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message news:x_zFE.33608$Lc4.20055@fx31.iad...
    On 5/23/19 12:33 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


    "bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message
    news:SOzFE.59$Ky4.38@fx08.iad...
    On 5/23/19 12:01 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
    really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
    seems to love.

    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them

    Not love them so much as realise that they arent as bad as some of the >>>> others in the middle east.

    Same with Jordan.

    which is
    surprising given just how horrible they are.

    Not really.

    They only _occasionally_ decapitate and crucify prisoners

    Sure, but the the USA still kills murderers.

    If a Soviet-style "and you are still lynching Negroes" is the rebuttal

    It isnt. I was talking about legal executions, stupid.

    you're going to roll with I think we're done here, lol.

    Yep, your other reply was even sillier.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu May 23 20:54:57 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 05/23/2019 07:59 AM, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/22/19 10:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 01:20 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 07:25 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 05/22/2019 12:49 AM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
    Yandex:
    o Unknown storage limit
    o Requires only first name & surname
    o Informs you in real time whether the username is taken or available >>>>> o Requires a strong password of undetermined characters (at least 8) >>>>> o Asks for telephone number but lets you skip in favor of security
    question
    o Allows you to write your own custom security question & custom
    answer
    o Requires a simple Captcha-like typing of screenshot words

    Russian collusion! The Russians are coming! Oddly I'm at the point
    where
    I trust the Russians more than our homegrown Stasi. I've been using
    Kaspersky on my Windows boxes for a long time. If it's stealing my data >>>> at least it doesn't let other people grab it.

    The Russian guy who wrote the EBookDroid app provides excellent customer >>> service for an absolute pittance. We asked him how we could pay more
    (apparently paypal doesn't work in Russia), but he said just buy the
    'pro' app. He also speaks (or at least writes) excellent English, such
    that I wonder if he's just pretending to be Russian.


    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
    really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
    seems to love.



    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them which is surprising given just how horrible they are. Not exactly a role-model.



    Them too... Given a choice, I'd go with the Indo-Europeans in the neighborhood.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to bitrex on Thu May 23 20:56:50 2019
    XPost: alt.home.repair, rec.autos.tech, sci.electronics.repair

    On 05/23/2019 10:23 AM, bitrex wrote:
    On 5/23/19 12:03 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


    "bitrex" <user@example.net> wrote in message
    news:5LxFE.53327$365.2466@fx42.iad...
    On 5/23/19 9:59 AM, bitrex wrote:

    I think a lot of the Russian hype is a smokescreen. A lot of the
    really evil stuff comes from a small middle eastern country Trump
    seems to love.



    Saudi Arabia? A lot of US presidents have seemed to love them which
    is surprising given just how horrible they are. Not exactly a
    role-model.



    Imagine if after discovering the Japanese government was responsible
    for Pearl Harbor instead of lighting them up the US government signed
    a crude oil purchase agreement and sold them our latest aircraft
    <boggle>

    Saudi has never done anything even remotely like Pearl Harbor.

    Oh, honey.

    I consigned old Rod to the bozo bin long ago. Thanks for replying to him
    and confirming that he is as stupid as ever.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)