• Do youtube videos not have a rating anymore ?

    From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 21 09:26:20 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Usually I access the pages of youtube videos for the purpose of getting information about the video (as opposed to actually watching the video)
    through a script of my own. One of the things it displayed until recently was the rating of a video. Basically somewhere on the source of the video page there would be something like

    "averageRating":"4.9422383"

    as part of a lot of Javascript. But in the last few days I have not be seeing this. I saw it most recently with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXun3qpzpDk on 2021-12-12. Now even that video doesn't have it. Looking at this and some other video pages with a couple of different browsers I don't see any "rating" (I still see "Likes" and "Dislikes"). So I am hoping that you can do some
    tests of your own and report. If you have a youtube account (I don't) try the page with and without being logged in to see if a rating appears on one occasion but not the other.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 21 10:52:36 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 09:43:18 Uhr schrieb Andy Burns:

    They recently disabled "disliking" a video, to prevent hurting
    people's feelings, probably the rating had to go for the same reasons?

    They just don't want that people can say that they don't like some
    videos. Especially government operated channel's videos were massively
    disliked by some people, so they channel operator decided to turn the
    voting system off. Not YT seems to have disabled the dislike function
    at all, so people can't say "I don't like that" anymore.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Tue Dec 21 09:43:18 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    Usually I access the pages of youtube videos for the purpose of getting information about the video (as opposed to actually watching the video) through a script of my own. One of the things it displayed until recently was the rating of a video. Basically somewhere on the source of the video page there would be something like

    "averageRating":"4.9422383"

    They recently disabled "disliking" a video, to prevent hurting people's feelings, probably the rating had to go for the same reasons?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Tue Dec 21 10:19:04 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Marco Moock wrote:

    YT seems to have disabled the dislike function
    at all, so people can't say "I don't like that" anymore.

    You can still click dislike, but it doesn't show the world how many people have done so.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 21 11:48:27 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 10:19:04 Uhr schrieb Andy Burns:

    You can still click dislike, but it doesn't show the world how many
    people have done so.
    That is what some channel operator wanted: Others can't see anymore
    that I video is being disliked by many people.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 21 12:47:40 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 11:34:52 Uhr schrieb Spiros
    Bousbouras:

    On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:48:27 +0100
    Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
    Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 10:19:04 Uhr schrieb Andy Burns:

    You can still click dislike, but it doesn't show the world how
    many people have done so.
    That is what some channel operator wanted: Others can't see anymore
    that I video is being disliked by many people.

    But the video uploader can , right ?

    As I now know, yes.

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Tue Dec 21 11:34:52 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:48:27 +0100
    Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
    Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 10:19:04 Uhr schrieb Andy Burns:

    You can still click dislike, but it doesn't show the world how many
    people have done so.
    That is what some channel operator wanted: Others can't see anymore
    that I video is being disliked by many people.

    But the video uploader can , right ?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Tue Dec 21 12:04:23 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    Marco Moock wrote:

    That is what some channel operator wanted: Others can't see anymore
    that I video is being disliked by many people.

    But the video uploader can , right ?

    yes, see EEVblab #89, so the initial argument it stops people feeling hurt that people dislike their video, is bumph.

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  • From Rich@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Dec 21 17:01:27 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    In comp.misc Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
    Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

    Marco Moock wrote:

    That is what some channel operator wanted: Others can't see anymore
    that I video is being disliked by many people.

    But the video uploader can , right ?

    yes, see EEVblab #89, so the initial argument it stops people feeling
    hurt that people dislike their video, is bumph.

    Given the fragile snowflakes that have been raised as the most recent
    new generation, where everyone got a "participation trophy" for the
    game, but no team "won" or "lost" it coddles the new generation in the
    way they have grown accustomed to being coddled.

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  • From Dan Espen@21:1/5 to Spiros Bousbouras on Tue Dec 21 12:26:58 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:

    Usually I access the pages of youtube videos for the purpose of getting information about the video (as opposed to actually watching the video) through a script of my own. One of the things it displayed until recently was the rating of a video. Basically somewhere on the source of the video page there would be something like

    "averageRating":"4.9422383"

    as part of a lot of Javascript. But in the last few days I have not be seeing this. I saw it most recently with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXun3qpzpDk
    on 2021-12-12. Now even that video doesn't have it. Looking at this and some other video pages with a couple of different browsers I don't see any "rating"
    (I still see "Likes" and "Dislikes"). So I am hoping that you can do some tests of your own and report. If you have a youtube account (I don't) try the page with and without being logged in to see if a rating appears on one occasion but not the other.

    Go here:

    https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/134791097/update-to-youtube-dislike-counts?hl=en

    This explains why you are no longer seeing that data.

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Dan Espen on Fri Dec 24 10:22:58 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    On 12/21/2021 09:26 AM, Dan Espen wrote:
    Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:

    Usually I access the pages of youtube videos for the purpose of getting
    information about the video (as opposed to actually watching the video)
    through a script of my own. One of the things it displayed until recently was
    the rating of a video. Basically somewhere on the source of the video page >> there would be something like

    "averageRating":"4.9422383"

    as part of a lot of Javascript. But in the last few days I have not be seeing
    this. I saw it most recently with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXun3qpzpDk
    on 2021-12-12. Now even that video doesn't have it. Looking at this and some >> other video pages with a couple of different browsers I don't see any "rating"
    (I still see "Likes" and "Dislikes"). So I am hoping that you can do some
    tests of your own and report. If you have a youtube account (I don't) try the
    page with and without being logged in to see if a rating appears on one
    occasion but not the other.

    Go here:

    https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/134791097/update-to-youtube-dislike-counts?hl=en

    This explains why you are no longer seeing that data.

    Snowflake Protection policy. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of
    the kitchen.

    OTOH, perhaps the Governments (apparently their videos draw a lot of
    dislikes) themselves are the snowflakes...

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    "On the other hand, I live in California so I'd be willing to
    squeeze schoolchildren to death if I thought some oil would
    come out." -- Scott Adams

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 24 19:24:56 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    Am Freitag, 24. Dezember 2021, um 10:22:58 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:

    Snowflake Protection policy. If you can't stand the heat, stay out
    of the kitchen.

    OTOH, perhaps the Governments (apparently their videos draw a lot of dislikes) themselves are the snowflakes...

    For, Germany this is true and also applies to semi-governmental TV
    stations. Also politicians and parties are affected by a big amount of dislikes.

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  • From Spiros Bousbouras@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sat Dec 25 04:27:48 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 19:24:56 +0100
    Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
    Am Freitag, 24. Dezember 2021, um 10:22:58 Uhr schrieb The Real Bev:

    Snowflake Protection policy. If you can't stand the heat, stay out
    of the kitchen.

    OTOH, perhaps the Governments (apparently their videos draw a lot of dislikes) themselves are the snowflakes...

    For, Germany this is true and also applies to semi-governmental TV
    stations. Also politicians and parties are affected by a big amount of dislikes.

    Does the rating of videos still affect the order in which youtube presents videos , after a search for example ?

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun Dec 26 20:59:38 2021
    XPost: comp.misc

    In comp.misc The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    Snowflake Protection policy. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of
    the kitchen.

    The opposite: the creator of the video can still see the number of dislikes.
    If they were offended by that before, they still will be.

    The difference is that an organised dislike campaign doesn't get any gratification from seeing the dislike count rise, and YT hope this will
    reduce the impact of campaigns to remove revenue from creators through using the dislike feature as a weapon, like an inverse petition.

    Theo

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  • From Otto J. Makela@21:1/5 to Rich on Mon Jan 3 12:52:48 2022
    XPost: comp.misc, soc.misc

    Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

    Given the fragile snowflakes that have been raised as the most recent
    new generation, where everyone got a "participation trophy" for the
    game, but no team "won" or "lost" it coddles the new generation in the
    way they have grown accustomed to being coddled.

    The idea of "new participation trophies" is a myth.

    https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/participation-trophy-history-world-war-i.html https://www.insidehook.com/article/news-opinion/participation-trophies-pros-and-cons

    Followup-to: soc.misc
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  • From rtr@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Wed Jan 26 13:15:06 2022
    On 2021-12-21, Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
    Am Dienstag, 21. Dezember 2021, um 09:43:18 Uhr schrieb Andy Burns:

    They recently disabled "disliking" a video, to prevent hurting
    people's feelings, probably the rating had to go for the same reasons?

    They just don't want that people can say that they don't like some
    videos. Especially government operated channel's videos were massively disliked by some people, so they channel operator decided to turn the
    voting system off. Not YT seems to have disabled the dislike function
    at all, so people can't say "I don't like that" anymore.


    Which is insane if you think about it. I guess it's their platform but
    to me that just speaks: "Hey, since we can't moderate the
    like-to-dislike ratio we will just disable it altogether".

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  • From rtr@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Jan 26 13:18:54 2022
    On 2021-12-26, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    In comp.misc The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
    Snowflake Protection policy. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of
    the kitchen.

    The opposite: the creator of the video can still see the number of dislikes. If they were offended by that before, they still will be.

    The difference is that an organised dislike campaign doesn't get any gratification from seeing the dislike count rise, and YT hope this will reduce the impact of campaigns to remove revenue from creators through using the dislike feature as a weapon, like an inverse petition.

    Theo

    Hm. I think it's more of not allowing the viewer to see the relative like-to-dislike ratio of a particular video rather than curtailing any
    "dislike campaigns". If they don't want anyone gaming that system they
    could have just removed the whole like and dislike system.

    But they didn't. They only removed the ability for dislikes to be seen.
    So surely they still think that the "likes" matter.

    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
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