• Mind the gap...

    From Jonathan N. Little@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 30 14:38:44 2019
    😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
    On 30/11/2019 17:29, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    Wrong. If the OP's problem is the vertical space between the black
    header area and the H1 "Saturday 30 November 7:30" then it is absolutely
    due to this in his stylesheet:

    div#main h1 {

    font-size: 2.5em;

    text-align: center;

    padding-top: 2em;
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    }

    Hey Jonathan Little Pig,

    Read the original post again.  He said:

    Anyone? If you set, in DevTools, the background-color of
    the body to (e.g.) red, it really stands out. I clearly have a blind
    spot...


    He is talking about:

    { Jonathan Little Pig Can't see this } <https://i.imgur.com/DzeeNN5.png>


    This gap can only be corrected by setting margin-top: 0;  It has nothing
    to do with padding.

    However, as I said in one of the posts, reset would have avoided this
    problem altogether. 

    Is this clear Mr Little Pig?


    Ad hominem asside, the OP defined the issue as:

    "The appearance of padding below the title text is actually due to a
    mysterious gap between div#header and div#main."

    And as I said:
    "If the OP's problem is the vertical space between the black header area
    and the H1 "Saturday 30 November 7:30""

    So if the title text is "Winchmore String Orchestra", that is the black
    div div#header and the "mysterious gap is the space between that and
    "Saturday 30 November 7:30" which is in div#main then the real question
    for the OP is what does he means by "the gap"?

    If "the gap" is the extra black space below "Winchmore String
    Orchestra", then the problem is the default top margin on "div#main h1"
    and can be corrected with:

    div#main h1 {
    margin-top: 0;
    ...
    }

    However if "the gap" is the extra orange space above "Saturday 30
    November 7:30" then removing or reducing the "padding-top: 2em;" as I
    suggested is the solution.

    Whoever is correct depends on what the OP means by "the gap".

    BTW the last time I endured such a "creative" ad hominem was back in
    elementary school...

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  • From Frosted Flake@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 30 20:14:26 2019
    😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
    On 30/11/2019 19:38, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

    BTW the last time I endured such a "creative" ad hominem was back in
    elementary school...

    There is no sign that you have passed that stage yet.  Mind you, at your
    age it might be tto late to go back to that elementary school because
    they don't accept od man like you just in case you decide to abuse young boys.   There are pedos every where these days.

    You might try your local college which might be running courses for boys
    who didn't make the grade in their elementary school.  They call it foundation course to prepare people to right their wrongs at elementary school.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to Frosted Flake on Sun Dec 1 16:01:51 2019
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    You sir, are a real PRICK


    How did you work this out? We never expected you to be able to work
    out anything so a curious mind would like to know how a stupid person
    like you solve problems.


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/12/2019 03:14, Frosted Flake
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    <blockquote cite="mid:qrvb6i$1o9$1@dont-email.me" type="cite">You
    sir, are a real PRICK
    <br>
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    <br>
    How did you work this out?   We never expected you to be able to
    work out anything so a curious mind would like to know how a stupid
    person like you solve problems.<br>
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  • From Frosted Flake@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 2 07:04:39 2019
    😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
    On 01/12/2019 03:14, Frosted Flake wrote:
    You sir, are a real PRICK


    How did you work this out?   We never expected you to be able to work
    out anything so a curious mind would like to know how a stupid person
    like you solve problems.


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    Subject: Re: Mind the gap...
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    Your childish, unwarranted ad hominem attacks on Mr. Little madee it
    very easy to determine that you are a PRICK (or a sorry Piece of Shit).

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to Frosted Flake on Mon Dec 2 16:05:21 2019
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    Your childish, unwarranted ad hominem attacks on Mr. Little madee it
    very easy to determine that you are a PRICK (or a sorry Piece of Shit).


    So now you are telling us you are an expert in shit!! We can now dump
    our shit in your backyard so that you have enough specimen for your
    research.

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/12/2019 14:04, Frosted Flake
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    <blockquote cite="mid:qs35lp$a80$1@dont-email.me" type="cite">Your
    childish, unwarranted ad hominem attacks on Mr. Little madee it
    very easy to determine that you are a PRICK (or a sorry Piece of
    Shit).
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    So now you are telling us you are an expert in shit!!   We can now
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?@21:1/5 to Stupid Stan Brown on Mon Dec 2 18:07:08 2019
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    On 02/12/2019 17:44, Stupid Stan Brown wrote:
    Sigh. USENET is over 30 years old, and people have STILL not learned
    not to feed the trolls.


    You just did it.



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    Sigh. USENET is over 30 years old, and people have STILL not learned
    not to feed the trolls.

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    You just did it.<br>
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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Frosted Flake on Mon Dec 2 12:44:24 2019
    On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 07:04:39 -0700, Frosted Flake wrote:

    ? Good Guy ? wrote:

    How did you work this out?   We never expected you to be able to work
    out anything so a curious mind would like to know how a stupid person
    like you solve problems.

    Your childish, unwarranted ad hominem attacks on Mr. Little madee it
    very easy to determine that you are a PRICK (or a sorry Piece of Shit).

    Sigh. USENET is over 30 years old, and people have STILL not learned
    not to feed the trolls.

    --
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    http://BrownMath.com/
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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 6 10:50:09 2020
    In article <qru0io$5jq$1@news.mixmin.net>, Hello.World@example.com
    says...

    On 30/11/2019 08:34, Stupid Stan Brown wrote:
    Unrelated to the issue you raised, but you have several h1's in the
    page, which I don't think is standard.

    You can convert it into a standard by using html5 semantics. For
    example <section> .... </section> can have its own header, h1, and
    footer; It doesn't matter if they are already used once as part of the
    main body.

    For it worrying is that nobody has mentioned that the OP could reset all elements to zero at the start of the css file (to clear browser specific defaults) and then each element can be styled and padding and margins included if needed.

    I always start my css with:

    * {
    padding: 0;
    margin: 0;
    }

    Some people also include border as part of the reset process but it
    doesn't matter so much.

    Good advice.

    --

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 6 10:43:08 2020
    In article <qrsccd$u76$1@news.mixmin.net>, Hello.World@example.com
    says...

    On 29/11/2019 21:52, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    (As is famously said over the public address on the London Underground)

    I've been cobbling together a page for a local orchestra in (severely limited) spare time. http://www.winchmorestrings.co.uk/

    The appearance of padding below the title text is actually due to a mysterious gap between div#header and div#main. I've pored over the
    CSS, both in Dreamweaver, and both Chrome and Firefox DevTools. I just can't see it! Anyone?

    change your one of your styles to:

    div#main h1 {
    font-size: 2.5em;
    text-align: center;
    /* padding-top: 2em; */
    margin-top: 0;
    }

    I have commented out *padding-top *AND inserted *margin-top: 0*

    Yup - that does it. Thanks!

    (And sorry I'm only now able to follow this up!)

    --

    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 6 11:01:30 2020
    In article <qruef0$50k$1@news.mixmin.net>, Hello.World@Example.com
    says...

    On 30/11/2019 17:29, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    Wrong. If the OP's problem is the vertical space between the black
    header area and the H1 "Saturday 30 November 7:30" then it is absolutely due to this in his stylesheet:

    div#main h1 {

    font-size: 2.5em;

    text-align: center;

    padding-top: 2em;
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    }

    Hey Jonathan Little Pig,

    Read the original post again. He said:

    Anyone? If you set, in DevTools, the background-color of
    the body to (e.g.) red, it really stands out. I clearly have a blind spot...


    He is talking about:

    { Jonathan Little Pig Can't see this } <https://i.imgur.com/DzeeNN5.png>



    This gap can only be corrected by setting margin-top: 0; It has nothing
    to do with padding.

    However, as I said in one of the posts, reset would have avoided this
    problem altogether.

    Is this clear Mr Little Pig?

    Thank you, Good Guy, for correctly spotting my error, and your advice in avoiding such errors in future.

    But I'm dismayed by the insults which you've introduced here, and which
    I see have generated a predictable like reaction.

    It's only a minor layout problem, not an existential identity issue. I
    was clearly wrong in my coding, and anyone who points out my error does
    me a favour. In general if someone were to suggest I'm wrong about
    something, I'll study what they say looking to learn what I can. If I
    think they misunderstand in some way, I might say so carefully, but we
    should all expect to be wrong at least some of the time, and it's only
    by chewing things over and exchanging ideas that any of us can ever hope
    to be less wrong. Personal attacks get in the way of that, and have no
    place here.

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    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 6 10:49:09 2020
    In article <MPG.384bf392f40b4c5298fc89@news.individual.net>, the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm says...

    On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 21:52:46 -0000, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    The appearance of padding below the title text is actually due to a mysterious gap between div#header and div#main. I've pored over the
    CSS, both in Dreamweaver, and both Chrome and Firefox DevTools. I just can't see it! Anyone?


    line-height?

    Also, div#header h1 has padding and margins specified, but div#header
    does not. Perhaps the default browser styling for div is messing you
    up.

    Yes - setting margin-top:0 on div#main h1 fixed it.


    Unrelated to the issue you raised, but you have several h1's in the
    page, which I don't think is standard.

    Interesting. I've looked for confirmation of this, and found these:

    https://developer.mozilla.org/en-
    US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/Heading_Elements
    "You should consider avoiding using <h1> more than once on a page."

    https://html.com/tags/heading/
    "On a page with a single piece of content (which should be most pages),
    the main title for that content should be an <h1> tag."
    (Which doesn't actually assert that nothing else should be an H1.)

    Not mentioned here: https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/sections.html#headings-and-sections
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    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 6 10:51:50 2020
    In article <XnsAB1785B787E01eejj99@194.109.6.166>, exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net says...

    Philip Herlihy <thiswillbounceback@you.com> wrote on 29 Nov 2019 in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:

    (As is famously said over the public address on the London Underground)

    I've been cobbling together a page for a local orchestra in (severely limited) spare time. http://www.winchmorestrings.co.uk/

    The appearance of padding below the title text is actually due to a mysterious gap between div#header and div#main. I've pored over the
    CSS, both in Dreamweaver, and both Chrome and Firefox DevTools. I just can't see it! Anyone? If you set, in DevTools, the background-color of the body to (e.g.) red, it really stands out. I clearly have a blind spot...

    (Overall, the page isn't very polished, and you'll detect I'm in the
    very early stages of "mastering" flexbox. But for now it's this gap
    that has me foxed.)

    div#main h1 { padding-top: 2em;

    This is the culprit, change it to a lower value.

    You're not wrong to say that this property is introducing a gap, but
    that's the gap I wanted and expected! The one I wasn't expecting, and
    didn't want, was fixed by adding margin-top:0 to div#main h1

    I'm clearly getting very rusty (and sloppy) at all this...

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    Phil, London

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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 6 11:03:11 2020
    In article <qrugg6$o2m$1@dont-email.me>, lws4art@gmail.com says...

    ? Good Guy ? wrote:
    On 30/11/2019 17:29, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
    Wrong. If the OP's problem is the vertical space between the black
    header area and the H1 "Saturday 30 November 7:30" then it is absolutely >> due to this in his stylesheet:

    div#main h1 {

    font-size: 2.5em;

    text-align: center;

    padding-top: 2em;
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    }

    Hey Jonathan Little Pig,

    Read the original post again.  He said:

    Anyone? If you set, in DevTools, the background-color of
    the body to (e.g.) red, it really stands out. I clearly have a blind
    spot...


    He is talking about:

    { Jonathan Little Pig Can't see this } <https://i.imgur.com/DzeeNN5.png>


    This gap can only be corrected by setting margin-top: 0;  It has nothing
    to do with padding.

    However, as I said in one of the posts, reset would have avoided this problem altogether. 

    Is this clear Mr Little Pig?


    Ad hominem asside, the OP defined the issue as:

    "The appearance of padding below the title text is actually due to a mysterious gap between div#header and div#main."

    And as I said:
    "If the OP's problem is the vertical space between the black header area
    and the H1 "Saturday 30 November 7:30""

    So if the title text is "Winchmore String Orchestra", that is the black
    div div#header and the "mysterious gap is the space between that and "Saturday 30 November 7:30" which is in div#main then the real question
    for the OP is what does he means by "the gap"?

    If "the gap" is the extra black space below "Winchmore String
    Orchestra", then the problem is the default top margin on "div#main h1"
    and can be corrected with:

    div#main h1 {
    margin-top: 0;
    ...
    }

    However if "the gap" is the extra orange space above "Saturday 30
    November 7:30" then removing or reducing the "padding-top: 2em;" as I suggested is the solution.

    Whoever is correct depends on what the OP means by "the gap".

    BTW the last time I endured such a "creative" ad hominem was back in elementary school...

    It was indeed the omission of margin-top:0 on div#main h1 which fixed my problem. I'm sorry if my description was unclear, as it evidently was.

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    Phil, London

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  • From Osmo Saarikumpu@21:1/5 to Philip Herlihy on Tue Jan 7 09:46:41 2020
    On 06/01/2020 12:49, Philip Herlihy wrote:
    In article <MPG.384bf392f40b4c5298fc89@news.individual.net>, the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm says...
    Unrelated to the issue you raised, but you have several h1's in the
    page, which I don't think is standard.

    Interesting. I've looked for confirmation of this...

    Here is an attempt to clarify the issue:

    https://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/the-truth-about-multiple-h1-tags-in-the-html5-era--webdesign-16824

    Followup: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html

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    Best wishes, Osmo

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