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    From sehnsucht@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 4 08:37:11 2022
    "The 30th anniversary of the World Wide Web passed earlier this year. Naturally, this milestone was met with truckloads of nerdy fanfare and
    pining for those simpler times. In three decades, the Web has evolved
    from a promising niche experiment to being an irreplaceable component of
    global discourse. For all its many faults, the Web has become all but
    essential for billions around the world, and isn’t going anywhere soon.

    As the mainstream media lauded the immense success for the Web, another Internet information system also celebrated thirty years – Gopher. A forgotten heavyweight of the early Internet, the popularity of Gopher
    plummeted during the late 90s, and nearly disappeared entirely.
    Thankfully, like its plucky namesake, Gopher continued to tunnel across
    the Internet well into the 21st century, supported by a passionate
    community and with an increasing number of servers coming online."

    https://hackaday.com/2021/09/28/gopher-the-competing-standard-to-www-in-the-90s-is-still-worth-checking-out/
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  • From rtr@21:1/5 to sehnsucht on Sun Feb 6 10:12:24 2022
    sehnsucht <sehnsucht@sdf.org> writes:

    "The 30th anniversary of the World Wide Web passed earlier this year. Naturally, this milestone was met with truckloads of nerdy fanfare and
    pining for those simpler times. In three decades, the Web has evolved
    from a promising niche experiment to being an irreplaceable component of global discourse. For all its many faults, the Web has become all but essential for billions around the world, and isn’t going anywhere soon.

    As the mainstream media lauded the immense success for the Web, another Internet information system also celebrated thirty years – Gopher. A forgotten heavyweight of the early Internet, the popularity of Gopher plummeted during the late 90s, and nearly disappeared entirely.
    Thankfully, like its plucky namesake, Gopher continued to tunnel across
    the Internet well into the 21st century, supported by a passionate
    community and with an increasing number of servers coming online."

    https://hackaday.com/2021/09/28/gopher-the-competing-standard-to-www-in-the-90s-is-still-worth-checking-out/

    It's a good article. I just hoped that the author provided more
    case towards gopher. It seemed like he was enjoying his time in gopherspace.

    I think gopher and gemini still has a huge usecase for them. It's
    very easy to host a gopherhole and gemini capsule nowadays and
    their lightweight nature means that they can run on even the most
    puny VPS servers or RPis out there. Couple that with a protocol
    like Yggdrasil and you can basically broadcast to the world
    regardless of your network status or computing resources.

    --
    Ang kalayaan ay dili gihatag, ini'y giabot.
    --
    {gemini,gopher}://kalayaan.xyz

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  • From Ander GM@21:1/5 to rtr on Sat Feb 12 19:45:28 2022
    On 2022-02-06, rtr <rtr@haraya.invalid> wrote:
    sehnsucht <sehnsucht@sdf.org> writes:

    "The 30th anniversary of the World Wide Web passed earlier this year.
    Naturally, this milestone was met with truckloads of nerdy fanfare and
    pining for those simpler times. In three decades, the Web has evolved
    from a promising niche experiment to being an irreplaceable component of
    global discourse. For all its many faults, the Web has become all but
    essential for billions around the world, and isn’t going anywhere soon.

    As the mainstream media lauded the immense success for the Web, another
    Internet information system also celebrated thirty years – Gopher. A
    forgotten heavyweight of the early Internet, the popularity of Gopher
    plummeted during the late 90s, and nearly disappeared entirely.
    Thankfully, like its plucky namesake, Gopher continued to tunnel across
    the Internet well into the 21st century, supported by a passionate
    community and with an increasing number of servers coming online."

    https://hackaday.com/2021/09/28/gopher-the-competing-standard-to-www-in-the-90s-is-still-worth-checking-out/

    It's a good article. I just hoped that the author provided more
    case towards gopher. It seemed like he was enjoying his time in gopherspace.

    I think gopher and gemini still has a huge usecase for them. It's
    very easy to host a gopherhole and gemini capsule nowadays and
    their lightweight nature means that they can run on even the most
    puny VPS servers or RPis out there. Couple that with a protocol
    like Yggdrasil and you can basically broadcast to the world regardless of your network status or computing resources.

    I would like to have more info about Yggdrasil.

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  • From meff@21:1/5 to Ander GM on Sun Feb 13 22:37:43 2022
    On 2022-02-12, Ander GM <ander@disroot.org> wrote:
    I would like to have more info about Yggdrasil.

    https://github.com/yggdrasil-network/yggdrasil-go

    Yggdrasil is a P2P overlay IPv6 network with E2E encryption. You
    generate a local private/public keypair and your public key is used to determine the IPv6 /64 that is associated with the keypair. Packets
    are overlayed atop regular IPv4 or IPv6 links and contain the inner
    IPv6 payload encrypted.

    If you host Gopher on Yggdrasil then you get encryption for free.

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  • From rtr@21:1/5 to meff on Mon Feb 14 16:07:53 2022
    meff <email@example.com> writes:

    On 2022-02-12, Ander GM <ander@disroot.org> wrote:
    I would like to have more info about Yggdrasil.

    https://github.com/yggdrasil-network/yggdrasil-go

    Yggdrasil is a P2P overlay IPv6 network with E2E encryption. You
    generate a local private/public keypair and your public key is used to determine the IPv6 /64 that is associated with the keypair. Packets
    are overlayed atop regular IPv4 or IPv6 links and contain the inner
    IPv6 payload encrypted.

    If you host Gopher on Yggdrasil then you get encryption for free.

    Hi Meff and Ander,

    Exactly that. You've explained it better than I ever could. One thing to
    add is that being an overlay network, Yggdrasil allows machines
    which are under strict and CG-NAT to connect to the outside world without
    a static DNS. As long as they are peered with a machine that is
    connectable from the outside world.

    For example, my Yggdrasil Gopherhole:

    gopher://[209:dead:1cc2:970:637b:450f:6575:9a24]/1

    is living in a low-end PC at home. That box is running Yggdrasil which
    is peered with a couple of public nodes. This makes self-hosting quite a breeze.

    Cheers!

    --
    Ang kalayaan ay dili gihatag, ini'y giabot.
    --
    {gemini,gopher}://kalayaan.xyz

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  • From sehnsucht@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 14 21:25:15 2022
    Sul meriggio di 120222 19:45,
    Ander GM <ander@disroot.org> enarrava tali parole:
    I would like to have more info about Yggdrasil.

    Have a look here:
    g.nixers.net/0/~z3bra/rlog/yggdrasil-bootstrap-node.txt
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    “Hell is empty and all the devils are here.„

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